"Why Do Leftists Deny Reality?" Freeper thread.

[Fuzz]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2501058/posts

Bunch of stuff about a retired KGB agent then this:



"As usual, here are some ideas on how to deal with this situation:

1. Don’t engage a leftist unless you can bury them in facts. It won’t matter to the leftist, but anyone else that can see, hear, or read might be convinced by reality.

2. Stay on message. Leftists, when hit with reality, will change the subject to something that they think they use against you. The classic, “Where were you when Bush was POTUS?” is easily answered by saying, “where are you now?” You might be tempted to state that most of us didn’t agree with Bush’s policies, but then you are talking about history, and not what’s happening now. Also, you are defending yourself rather than dealing with Obama’s policies. Thread hijacking, ad-hominem attacks, lies, and logical fallacies are all part of the leftist playbook. Point out that they are not responding to content, and move on with your point. If they get shrill, let them, because you win!

3. Don’t allow yourself to be distracted. The infiltrators, the “anarchists,” and the MSM are all lying and/or threatening the movement. While these need to be addressed, they don’t have to be a primary focus. From what I saw, the Tea Parties did a fantastic job of identifying the infiltrators. That, and the message still got out, and that is the key. As for the MSM, let them say what they will. This blog, and many others, expose their lies on a regular basis. When they lie, and anyone can look it up on-line and see the truth, the more audience they will lose. Let them fall on their own swords. Basically, if your adversary is self destructing, get out of the way and let them.

4. Facts, facts, and non-violence are our weapons of choice. Stick with those, and we win. Forget the left, they cannot be convinced of anything. They will likely not overcome their programming. We are trying to convince the people that aren’t sure, and might still be able to think a bit. That too is working. More people are coming to our cause all the time.

5. Educate yourselves. Read, watch, and learn. A knowledgeable opponent will give the average leftist fits. Again, when they get shrill, we win.

6. Stay calm. If you lose your cool, you lose. The goal of the leftist, beyond taking you off message, is to upset you and make you lash out, rendering you ineffective.

To sum it up, this is the key to our victory. “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.” — Mahatma Gandhi"

[Skittles]

1. freepers are stupid people - really, really fucking stupid

since they live in an echo chamber it's difficult for anyone to bring them to reality

[EFerrari]

28. Someone forgot to tell them Gandhi was a brown socialist.

lol

[WeDidIt]

2. A Freeper couldn't find a fact if it was in his own ass.

Free Republic is a fact free zone because facts have a well known liberal bias.

Proof of this theorem is found in the fact that Freepers are nearly universally Birthers.

[BlooInBloo]

6. Of course they can...

How do you think they get so good at AVOIDING them?

[BuelahWitch]

3. I wonder how they define "facts"?

Facts and Freepers mix like oil and water...

[Quantess]

8. A "fact" is anything that Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh told them.

:rofl:

[Elwood P Dowd]

10. Easy

Facts are what they are told by Fox News, Limbaugh, Beck, Palin, and the other sheep herders.

[mrcheerful]

12. What I say is fact because fixed, Rush and Glen all say the same things and for them to be able to

do that they use fact. But then they confuse facts with belief, because they believe something makes it a fact, like Obama isn't a citizen of the US no matter what the state he was born in claims is fact.

[muntrv]

4. The freeptards are projecting their behavior on us.

[Arkana]

5. They wouldn't know reality if it bit them on the asses.

[Initech]

7. Freeper education = 24/7 Fux News and Limbaugh

[Webster Green]

9. Ah yes, Free Republic...Fact Central!

"Educate yourselves. Read, watch, and learn." :rofl:

Quoting Gandhi was a nice touch. :eyes:

[Hawkeye-X]

11. Ok. Counterpoint time.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2501058/po...

Bunch of stuff about a retired KGB agent then this:



"As usual, here are some ideas on how to deal with this situation:

1. Don’t engage a leftist unless you can bury them in facts. It won’t matter to the leftist, but anyone else that can see, hear, or read might be convinced by reality.

What facts? All the Freepers have behind them is made-up shit pulled out of their arse

2. Stay on message. Leftists, when hit with reality, will change the subject to something that they think they use against you. The classic, “Where were you when Bush was POTUS?” is easily answered by saying, “where are you now?” You might be tempted to state that most of us didn’t agree with Bush’s policies, but then you are talking about history, and not what’s happening now. Also, you are defending yourself rather than dealing with Obama’s policies. Thread hijacking, ad-hominem attacks, lies, and logical fallacies are all part of the leftist playbook. Point out that they are not responding to content, and move on with your point. If they get shrill, let them, because you win!

The important fact is - Bush took a Clinton surplus and made it a big fucking giant hole that Mars could fit in. 8 years has been nothing but disaster. Too many excuses for Bush, and they're trying to focus it on Obama, and blaming him. Not going to work. EPIC FAIL.

3. Don’t allow yourself to be distracted. The infiltrators, the “anarchists,” and the MSM are all lying and/or threatening the movement. While these need to be addressed, they don’t have to be a primary focus. From what I saw, the Tea Parties did a fantastic job of identifying the infiltrators. That, and the message still got out, and that is the key. As for the MSM, let them say what they will. This blog, and many others, expose their lies on a regular basis. When they lie, and anyone can look it up on-line and see the truth, the more audience they will lose. Let them fall on their own swords. Basically, if your adversary is self destructing, get out of the way and let them.

Ooh, who was the last "infilitrator" to raid the GOP tea party - psst, it wasn't us - it was the GOP pretending to be Dems. MORE FAIL.

4. Facts, facts, and non-violence are our weapons of choice. Stick with those, and we win. Forget the left, they cannot be convinced of anything. They will likely not overcome their programming. We are trying to convince the people that aren’t sure, and might still be able to think a bit. That too is working. More people are coming to our cause all the time.

Again, pulling shit out of their asses. We are independent thinkers, and try to explore possible ideas. We're not programmed. You are. You listen to Rush, Faux, Glenn religiously, spouting and parroting talking points direct from the GOP faxes. EPIC FAIL.

5. Educate yourselves. Read, watch, and learn. A knowledgeable opponent will give the average leftist fits. Again, when they get shrill, we win.

May I introduce you to Sarah Palin, half-term governor - who's likely your best GOP contender for 2012. And most of GOP couldn't find their way to Heaven without a paper bag, a flashlight and something out of their asses

6. Stay calm. If you lose your cool, you lose. The goal of the leftist, beyond taking you off message, is to upset you and make you lash out, rendering you ineffective.

Stay calm? You Freepers make me laugh. All you do is get outraged at something idiotic. GOP is always off message, and off reality. We leftists have observed and constantly stayed on the message, so.... HA.


Nexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxt victim!

[zeemike]

18. The interesting thing to me is the non violent approach being urged

That tells me they know their acting out was not working and the threats of guns and civil war was turning people off.
so next I guess they will claim to follow MLK and it is us that hate non violence....it is a pattern of behavior I have noticed.

[Kerrytravelers]

13. Facts, non-violence, educate yourself and quoting Gandhi?

Is this satire? :rofl:

[Electric Monk]

14. Suggesting they educate themselves is a good thing.

[dalaigh lllama]

15. Ha! Every time I've engaged a RWer, they've flitted from

one talking point to the next, engaged in ad hominem attacks, and ended up becoming shrill. So good luck getting them to hone their debating skills -- they have none to hone.

[Xipe Totec]

16. Quoting Mahatma Gandhi... Talk about a disconnect

:rofl:

[ejpoeta]

17. you lost me at 'facts'..... telling me what you heard on glenn beck is not a fact.

[Liberal In Texas]

19. Facts? FACTS?!

The only thing I ever hear from the poor deluded "libertarians" are talking points. The hardest thing you can do is pin them down to one because they don't have any FACTS to back up the one-liner and jump to the next (almost assuredly unrelated) talking point.

They don't read and if they do "check out" any information they have, it's through another RW website or radio show or Fox News Channel. A conversation with a rightie isn't a conversation; they just want us to sit there while they rattle off a list of the latest memorized talking points.

That list in the OP is an amazing display of projection.

[SeattleGirl]

20. Projection, they name is freeper.

Next time you want to cite this, please put "righties" in where you have "leftist", and then you will be telling the truth.

[Political Heretic]

21. God I wish one of these guys would engage with me on "facts."

I've never found a single conservative willing to commit to a "facts-only" debate that hasn't walked away. :(

[stray cat]

22. And it is identical to the opinions on DU - all you change is one word - lefty to freeper

right = left at the ends of the circle

[Downtown Hound]

23. It's funny...

I find that whenever I ask freepers, teabaggers, conservatives, whatever the hell you call them, to actually unleash some of these fact bombs they always claim to have, they never seem able to do so. Most of the time they respond with something like, "It's common knowledge" or some other lame fantasy.

[Blue-Jay]

24. Why Do Freepers Fuck Goats?

[rpannier]

25. Quoting Gandhi

Priceless
:rofl:

[MiniMe]

26. And the DU thread title should be "Why do Freepers deny Reality?"

They denied everything under Bush and totally ignored the facts then, they aren't presenting the facts now, just propaganda that Glen Beck told them.

[Warren DeMontague]

27. Deny Reality? You mean, like thinking the Earth is only 6,000 years old?

No one's denying reality over there, nope, no sireee.

[marmar]

29. That website occupies its own corner of the universe......

.....It's called a black hole.

[tabasco]

30. Yah, like the death panels.

Just use those facts, boys and girls.