So Arizona, what about all your companies that invite illegal aliens into our country?

[Kablooie]

And give the illegal aliens jobs at illegally low pay?
Jobs that Americans won't do for slave wages.
They are breaking the law and are the reason the illegals come here in the first place.
Without dealing with this nothing will change except you will have to pay to provide for hoards of new prisoners.
There will always be more illegals coming over as long as there are jobs ready for them over here.

[dkf]

1. The heads of these companies should be arrested and made examples of.

I agree that half the solution is no jobs unless you can prove you are here legally. Anyone caught here illegally should also be permanently blacklisted and made ineligible for citizenship or reentry. Only exemption is for kids that were brought here and had no choice.

Until we show we mean business about our laws nobody will take them seriously especially our congresspeople.

[tavalon]

2. So, have you met any of these statistics face to face

Do you know any illegal aliens? Do you have any idea what many of these folks have gone through to come here, though, I can't for the life of me, see why, and yet, they come. Unless you know some of these nameless, faceless people, you don't have a clue. It's easy for the centrists in our altogether too big tent to ignore that a central tenet of being a Democrat and yes, even a liberal, is kindness and understanding for our fellow man. These people are human, just like you. Rule of Law is all good and fine, especially for the Rethugs who don't really think it applies to them, but there is another thing that, for me, and for most of my fellow Democrats, matters more than Rule of Law and that is being our brother's keeper.

What enrages you so much about these people, these fellow humans? Have they taken something from you?

[Tansy_Gold]

5. Thank you.

From an Arizonan, who has and does and will continue to do so.



Tansy Gold

[conscious evolution]

10. I have

I met many of them as they replaced my legal co-workers who were asking for raises and better working conditions.
I also met many as they were getting out of the semi that brought them to the factorys to replace the local workers that were trying to form a union.
I met quite a few as they replaced my friends kids in the traditional starter jobs at McDs and other restuarants that traditionally hired local teenagers.
I met many as they replaced the local day laborers at the temp service when I needed laborers for one day projects.Funny thing thre.They told me they were being paid less than the locals but the temp company was billing me at the same price as the local workers.

Funny thing-They were all good,conscientous workers for the most part.The problem was too many had little clue about standard safety practices.Too many were also too willing to cut corners or jury rigg something because they did not know or follow US construction codes or practices

[Toasterlad]

13. And How Is That THEIR Fault?

It continues to mystify me why people direct their anger at people who are only trying to work to support their families, just like everyone else. You should be mad at the companies who hire them; who would rather exploit slave labor than provide a decent wage and a safe working conditions. You should be writing your Congressman and Senator to tell them to penalize companies who hire illegal immigrants, and you should also be asking for legislation to address sub-standard pay and working conditions.

[conscious evolution]

15. Its not thier fault

and I have spent years fighting with employers over the issue.I have also spent a lot of energy trying to explain to legal coworkers that the illegals are not the enemy and they should be directing their hatred/anger at those that bring them here.
About all my efforts have succeeded in is getting me blackballed from jobs in the electrical construction trade.
Write letters to politicians?Hell,most of the office holders in Georgia are in on the scam.Complaining to them has about as much effect as herding kittens.

[dkf]

11. The only person I ever knew was here illegally was my friends at the time fiancé.

She overstayed her student visa and got my friend to marry her so she could stay in the US. No she wasn't Hispanic she was the same exact race that I am.

When they divorced she said if she didn't get the condo and a significant amount of support she would take their kid back to her country of origin and he would never see them again.

But that has nothing to do with my feeling that we are a nation of lawbreakers with a mentality of getting away with whatever we can. We see it in taxes and financial shenanigans. If you conveniently compel everyone around you to pick and choose laws where does that leave us?

[dkf]

12. The only person I ever knew was here illegally was my friends at the time fiancé.

She overstayed her student visa and got my friend to marry her so she could stay in the US. No she wasn't Hispanic she was the same exact race that I am.

When they divorced she said if she didn't get the condo and a significant amount of support she would take their kid back to her country of origin and he would never see them again.

But that has nothing to do with my feeling that we are a nation of lawbreakers with a mentality of getting away with whatever we can. We see it in taxes and financial shenanigans. If you conveniently compel everyone around you to pick and choose laws where does that leave us?

[tavalon]

16. But that has nothing to do with.......

Yeah, that was just too easy. Right on the top of your head, wasn't it? Great, you became a xenophobe because an illegal fucked over your friend.

[liberal N proud]

3. If they were serious about immigration...

They would crack down on these employers.

But that is where the challenge is for politicians. Just like financial reform and health care reform, they want to make it look like they are passing tough new laws without changing a damn thing to appease the wealthy campaign contributors and lobby groups.

[Mudoria]

6. Arizona already has..

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/us/08arizona.html

[pampango]

8. The Obama administration has too.

http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=efe39ec4-...

In an effort to curtail deep declines in deportations, U.S. Immigration Customs and Enforcement (ICE) Chief John Morton has set new quotas for Office of Detention and Removal (DRO) agents. There has always been a push to outdo the previous year’s accomplishments—it is often how budgets are justified—and for the year ending September 30, 2010, deportations are on pace to reach 310,000, far below both last year’s total of 387,000 and the agency’s stated goal of 400,000. In addition, Morton and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano have signaled a retreat from earlier pledges to concentrate enforcement efforts on the most dangerous immigrants and those involved in criminal activity outside of their own illegal status, likely due to the increased costs and protracted deportation process associated with such criminals. Given the current administration’s policy against immigrant raids, ICE’s enforcement strategy will ramp up efforts to investigate employers.

The Obama administration has publicly, as well as privately, announced that it is more interested in investigating and fining employers for I-9 violations, I-9 policy errors and worker infractions rather than simply removing illegal aliens. In the last eight months, there have been thousands of audits of U.S. companies—some random, some aimed at certain industries and some for cause—aimed at garnering evidence regarding problems with the work authorization and/or immigration status of employees.

Focusing on large, employer audits and investigations rather than individual, home, street and factory raids condoned by the Bush administration, potential investigative strategies may include using data from E-Verify to locate multiple uses of identifying information or documentation, or auditing companies with significant numbers of Final Non-Confirmations (FNCs) of employees’ work eligibility.

This increase in audits, coupled with the hiring of thousands of “forensic auditors” by ICE to review documents and assess fines, only continues to support the position that every employer must have an I-9 policy in place, proper training and procedures to support that policy, and the ability to produce evidence of compliance within a short time. Companies should be wary of viewing a Notice of Inspection (NOI) as a mere administrative request. As a matter of fact, the recent trend has been to require that vast amounts of documentation be produced within three business days and extensions of that timeframe are regularly being denied. Ultimately, an employer receiving an NOI or facing an audit may want to seek legal counsel prior to producing requested information or materials in order to take steps to identify potential issues and reduce exposure and liability.

[zbdent]

4. they probably have an agreement with the authorities ...

all the illegals are pulled over the day before they would get paid (under the table, of course, and after the shift is over). Well, if the worker, who CLAIMS his name is John Smith, never shows up to get his paycheck, I guess that it doesn't get cashed ... more profit for the company ...

[One_Life_To_Give]

7. But we offered $20/hr for high iron work in Phoenix

And nobody applied, so we had to git them guest worker papers etc. or your building wouldn't git done.:sarcasm:

[MkapX]

9. McCain

Wasn't AZ the very same state whose senator proposed a bill allowing giving illegal aliens amensity back during the Bush years. Where was the outrage over that...Ohhh i know why, it's because Bush had an R next to his name. This bill and the Birther bill (a conspiracy that has been debunked two million times over) are just political because the repubs now they can't win in Nov!

[Gold Metal Flake]

14. What are the names of the largest companies/corps employing undocumented workers in AZ?

Looking for the specific names of the companies/corps. Has there been an investigation that listed them? How would someone go about finding this info?

I see people posting stories that suggest a crackdown on employers, but no names. Who are the targets and who are the largest offenders. Are they the same? If not, why not?