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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:30 PM
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Email from President Obama asking me to work for Specter vs Sestak. I'm supporting Sestak.
Letter:

"Arlen Specter came to Washington to fight for the working men and women of Pennsylvania -- and he has a distinguished record of doing just that.

He cast a deciding vote in favor of the Recovery Act that brought our economy back from the brink and created more than 120,000 jobs in Pennsylvania in just the first three months of this year.

He fought hard for health insurance reform, and because of that victory 1.3 million uninsured Pennsylvanians will now have access to affordable care -- including more than 140,000 with pre-existing conditions.

And he's been a champion of Wall Street reform and combating climate change, two crucial parts of my agenda that won't happen without Arlen's support.

But now, he needs your help. He's in a tight race for the Democratic nomination for Senate, and the primary is coming up soon on May 18th.

Vice President Biden and I need him in Washington, fighting alongside us -- will you sign up to help out his campaign today?

Re-electing Senator Specter is going to take the same effort I needed from you two years ago --reaching out to friends and neighbors, knocking doors, making phone calls.

And the first step to ensuring that happens is making sure he wins the primary that's just three weeks away.

Arlen has an impressive record of fighting for Pennsylvanians over the last 30 years. Let's make sure he can keep it going.

Please sign up to volunteer for him today:

http://pa.barackobama.com/StandwithSpecter

Thank you for all you do,

President Barack Obama

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:31 PM
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1. I would too.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:32 PM
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2. Sometimes it is hard to know what side to be on
You made the right choice my friend..
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:34 PM
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3. How many times has Specter said one thing, and done another?
He talks big, then when it comes to following through, he drops the ball.

I don't trust him. Be glad you have a choice.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:42 PM
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4. I just sent Sestak ANOTHER check
Down to the wire and all that. Obama really shoulda stayed out of this one. It's just another poke in the eye of the pisssed off progressives. A bit like Warren.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:47 PM
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5. I don't trust Specter. He switched only for the election and admitted it. If he wins the
election in November, he would probably switch back to his republican party and laugh at the Democrats who gave him money and worked in the streets for him.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:49 PM
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6. He'll probably tend to follow the majority
Dixiecrats used to do the same thing. They stayed in the democratic party so they could get chairmanships. When Newt took over congress, they switched in droves just to be in the majority.

I don't just want a democratic senator. I want a progressive senator. The only way to pull Obama to the left. Then, someday, maybe we can elect a progressive president.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:52 PM
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8. I agree with you. At the least, it is unethical for the president to be telling the people which
one of their party to vote for!

AFTER the primary, THEN he can step in!

If I remember correctly, he is doing the same thing in Colorado. It isn't winning him friends.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:56 PM
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9. It's not unethical. He's the head of the Democratic Party.
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 02:07 PM by Lord Helmet
Do you want Obama to lead or not? People complain when he doesn't lead and they complain when he leads.

Some consistency, please.

For the record, I don't like either choice. Neither candidate is progressive (see stats I posted below).
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:14 PM
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13. Stay out of primaries
That ain't new. I'm not sure why this is a surprise to anyone. Presidents stay out of primaries, at least overtly. Sending out letters to people telling them who to vote for in a primary is a bad idea.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:49 PM
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16. Actually it is traditional for the party to support incumbents
including those being primaried. This is nothing new.

Vote for whom you want (if you even live in Pennsylvania which I doubt; neither do I) but stop pretending Obama is doing something wrong or unprecedented.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:24 AM
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23. Not sure how we're defining either traditional or support
There is no doubt that presidents work quietly to support incumbents, they also work quietly to remove them. Overtly, it is relatively rare to send out a letter like this asking voters to support one candidate over another. They may express some general expression of their pleasure with their past work, but stay circumspect about the particular race.

The DNC tends to overtly stay out of it as well. Again, predominately they will avoid direct, open, involvement in the race, but there is not doubt that, in private, donors are being worked for one candidate or another.

The DCCC and DSCC however are another bag altogether. They practically exist for that exact purpose. Lately, they've been pretty aggressive in trying to prevent challengers from even entering the race. It's why I've stopped giving them any money at all.

Exceptions to all of this can be found I'm sure, but the open and direct nature of this letter were something unusual, and the fact that this was apparently all worked out well before Specter cast his first democratic vote only makes it worse.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:14 PM
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14. I'm very tired of snarky replies. If you can't have some courtesy, then please don't
reply to me.

This was NOT addressed to you. If you are going to butt into another conversation, have some courtesy.

Given your snarkiness, I really don't care what you like.

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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:47 PM
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15. This is a message board. If you want private conversations, send PMs.
Labeling a difference of opinion snark is lame. If your preference is groupthink, you're in the wrong place.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 03:02 PM
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18. There's a difference between snark and a difference of opinion...
I'm quite sure this is the situation at hand.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 11:28 PM
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22. Snark is biting sarcasm.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snark

My response was straightforward.

:shrug:
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 01:52 PM
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7. FiveThirtyEight: Is Sestak the right choice for the left?
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 02:05 PM by Lord Helmet
link fixed: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/05/is-sestak-right-choice-for-left.html

Is Sestak the Right Choice for the Left?
by Nate Silver

Progressives are right to want a primary opponent for Arlen Specter -- or at least to keep alive the possibility of one. As Chris Bowers notes, Specter has already cast two important votes against his party in his brief tenure as a Democrat, first on mortgage bankruptcy "cramdown" legislation, and then on the budget conference report, where he was joined only by Ben Nelson, Evan Bayh and Robert Byrd joined. Nor has Specter changed his position on the Employee Free Choice Act -- a measure which he had supported in past years but revealed in March that he would attempt to filibuster.

It's very early in Arlen Specter's career as a Democrat, and we will have to see his positioning evolves on other agenda items. Past party-switchers have tended to change their voting patterns in relatively meaningful ways following their conversions. It seems plausible that Specter would be reluctant to change his positions on issues which were already percolating on the Senate's agenda at the time of his party switch, and on which he had already articulated a position, but that he will become more liberal in the coming months.

For the time being, however, progressive Democrats have ample reason to be wary of Specter. Their problem is that Joe Sestak, the PA-7 Congressman who has refused to rule out a primary challenge, might not be any better from the standpoint of progressive policy.

In fact, it's plausible that he could be a bit worse. ProgressivePunch.org ranks Sestak as the 158th most progressive member out of 221 non-freshman Democrats, and notes that he's an order of magnitude or so more conservative than you'd expect of a Congressman from his Democratic-leaning district. Sestak's DW-NOMINATE score in the 110th Congress was -.287 on a scale that runs from -1 for extremely liberal to 0 for moderate; this is actually slightly more conservative than the score that we'd projected for Specter, which was -.303. The National Journal, moreover, found that Sestak took the liberal position only 63 percent of the time in the votes they tracked in 2007.

Nor would a primary challenge be without its downsides. For one thing, Sestak would have to give up his seat in the House in order to challenge Specter. Although the Democrat would still be favored in an open seat race in PA-7, which is 3 points more Democratic than the nation as a whole, giving up the incumbency advantage might reduce their odds of retaining the seat from, say, 95 percent to 75 percent.

There is also the possibility that Sestak would be more likely than Specter to lose to a Republican in November. I don't think this is a particularly strong worry for Democrats in this instance, since (1) Sestak is a charismatic and talented politician, (2) Sestak is a good fundraiser and (3) the probable Republican nominee -- Pat Toomey -- is much too conservative for Pennsylvania's electorate. Then again, it's precisely the fact that the Republicans seem inclined to nominate Toomey -- who may be borderline unelectable in November 2010 -- that raises the opportunity cost to progressives of nominating a moderate, whether it be Sestak or Specter.

Two other points to bear in mind, one of which makes a primary challenge more attractive for Democrats and the other of which has ambiguous effects. The first point is that the mere prospect of a credible primary challenge (and Sestak is a credible opponent) may have some "bluff" value, whether or not it actually succeeds and in fact whether or not it is actually executed upon. So long as Specter has reason to fear a primary challenge, it will push him toward the median of the Democratic electorate in Pennsylvania, which is probably about at the point occupied by Bob Casey Jr. (DW-NOMINATE score of -.401).

The second point is that Specter is 79 years old. Moreover, however exceptionally admirable his commitment to public service while undergoing chemotherapy for Hodgkin's lymphoma, he is not in the best of health. There is a fairly significant chance that he would not be able to complete his sixth term.

If Specter's term were to end early, then Pennsylvania's governor would pick a replacement, with a special election to follow at the next even-numbered November election. As Democratic incumbent Ed Rendell is term-limited, the governorship will be an open seat race, in which Democrats are probably favored but perhaps not overwhelmingly. Would Democrats prefer the safety of being "locked in" to Sestak for the next decade or two? Or would the they take the gamble a special election would represent as an opportunity to nominate and elect a more liberal candidate -- particularly if they had retained the governor's mansion?

What's clear is that a lot of these questions would be easier to resolve if Democrats were to select a more liberal primary challenger than Sestak. This is perhaps easier said than done, since the Democrats in Pennsylvania's congressional delegation tend to be quite conservative, and since many of the more prominent statewide officeholders are liable to run for governor instead. One intriguing possibility might be Franco Harris, the former Pittsburgh Steelers star who was an Obama delegate at the 2008 Democratic National Convention, and whose name recognition might allow him to be competitive on a relatively limited budget.

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:03 PM
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10. Does Pres. Obama discount decades of AS's being a REPUBLICAN?? I DON'T.
Edited on Tue Apr-27-10 02:04 PM by WinkyDink
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:08 PM
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11. i would support sestak. i don't trust specter.
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eeyore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:12 PM
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12. Sleestak?
I would totally vote for this guy. I don't care what Obama says!

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tech9413 Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 02:49 PM
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17. Sestak is no prize but I've put my money behind him
I'm old enough to know that Specter only votes in his own self interest. His biggest gaff to me was the "single bullet theory". Total junk science and probably sold to keep the CIA from steamrolling him.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 03:17 PM
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19. I don't blame you one bit. I prefer real democrats
Switching to the Dem side after 30+ yrs as a repub doesn't pass the smell test.
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LLStarks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 03:21 PM
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20. The Sestak campaign is pretty non-existant nt
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-10 03:35 PM
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21. Remind me about Spector and the Thomas Confirmation hearings.
Wasn't he the one sounding so pompous about Thomas and the pubic hair? My memory is gone.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-10 07:33 AM
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24. That's correct.
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besdayz Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 11:29 PM
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25. credibility
arlen specter lost me when he came up with magic bullet theory 45 yrs ago.....
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besdayz Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-10 11:29 PM
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26. credibility
arlen specter lost me when he came up with magic bullet theory 45 yrs ago.....
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