This is disgusting - on Rachel Maddow right now

[Joanie Baloney]

A new law passed in Oklahoma over the Governor's veto - women getting abortions (the few, I'm sure), must receive an intra-vaginal ultrasound before the procedure and the monitor will be placed so the woman can view it. The wonderful folks in Oklahoma said "the woman can avert her eyes" ...oh , wow! Thanks so much, assholes.

Horrendous!

As Rachel put it, this is Oklahoma's version of 'choice'.

:cry:

-JB

(editing to add 'Maddow' cuz I just read the Snuggie thread. And spelling.) :hug:

[DesertFlower]

1. i just saw it. appalling.

[SoCalDem]

2. They might as well call it the Med Student Full Employment Act

nothing a legislature does, will prevent abortions...it can only drive them underground (say hello to 1960) and into the "care" of med students who need to make a few bucks..

[Joanie Baloney]

6. Awful!

I remember the hanger-in-the-alley days. I do NOT want to go back there.

[howmad1]

39. I suggest everyone........

....buy stock in wire hanger manufacturers. Business will be booming. The way I figure it, Oklahoma priests must be running out of kids to sexually abuse so that's the reason for this asinine anti-abortion law.

[Captain Hilts]

3. Sounds like the stuff they did in Romania. nt

[Shallah Kali]

26. Only too true

from Karen Breslau, "Overplanned Parenthood: Ceausescu's cruel law", Newsweek, Jan. 22, 1990, p. 35.

http://www.ceausescu.org/ceausescu_texts/overplanned_parenthood.htm

The government's enforcement techniques were as bad as the law. Women under the age of 45 were rounded up at their workplaces every one to three months and taken to clinics, where they were examined for signs of pregnancy, often in the presence of government agents - dubbed the "menstrual police" by some Romanians. A pregnant woman who failed to "produce" a baby at the proper time could expect to be summoned for questioning. Women who miscarried were suspected of arranging an abortion. Some doctors resorted for forging statistics. "If a child died in our district, we lost 10 to 25 percent of our salary," says Dr. Geta Stanescu of Bucharest. "But it wasn't our fault: we had no medicine or milk, and the families were poor."

[AnnieBW]

4. Welcome to Romania, circa 1980

This kind of shit went on in Ceaucescu's Romania.

[Raven]

5. I think we need an underground railroad for pregnant women in OK

The answer for them is to leave the state for medical care elsewhere...when do you bet OK will stop women at the borders?

[Joanie Baloney]

9. Great idea!

Or maybe OK will adopt the Arizona plan and extend it questioning all pregnant women. Or maybe they give them ankle bracelets that render them immobile if they attempt to cross the state line. Kinda like those shopping cart thingies.

Gawd!

[glinda]

13. Don't you get it? They are going to drive this until it is everywhere.... they must be

stopped on many fronts. Am not sure how to do it but the Republicans are running ramshod all over everyone else's choice's in this Country.
They are using aggressive and hostile tactics on everything. They are NOT going to stop. They must be stopped and the Dems are going to have to do something or else it will just keep getting worse.

[skyounkin]

36. Pretty much right on there

[CTyankee]

48. They should go to Dallas! Dallas has a great Planned Parenthood center.

They will be treated with dignity and respect there.

F*ck these bastards...

[williesgirl]

7. Women in OK, whether pro-choice or not, should start boycotting

everything until this is repealed. It's an insult to every female regardless of age, religion etc. They suck big time! Can't figure out why anyone would want to live in such a backward state. And, I live in VA and can still say that - but probably not for long. We have another almost 4 yrs of this asshole Gov and AG. rec'd

[sam sarrha]

44. i really think they would prefer a 3 finger Prostrate exam.. tap you foot for 4

[Xipe Totec]

8. Oklahoma legislators should get a colonoscopy before every haircut

so the barber can see where to part their hair.

[Joanie Baloney]

10. ROTFLMAO

And the 'A' stands for anus.

:)

[BrklynLiberal]

16. THAT IS HYSTERICAL!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you!!!

[1955doubledie]

22. And before every bowel movement

To see how full of shit they are.

[blueredneck]

42. That really was funny.

Ha haha. :P

[Kittycat]

11. So say you're raped...

That's supposed to help the situation, how exactly?

[betharina]

12. i've never had an abortion.

but i have had several miscarriages and conceived 2 children with the help of a fertility doctor. i have had MANY intra-vaginal ultrasounds. they are VERY uncomfortable and VERY invasive. it make me sick to think that women who have made a choice have to be VIOLATED like that. and that is just the tip of the iceberg of disgust i have for what i just heard. this is just disgusting.

[moc]

14. Right there with you...

Two IF babies here too. Did the whole "every other day" trans-v u/s routine through god knows how many cycles. "Invasive" doesn't even capture it.

My solution? Subject each of the bastards who voted for this to a trans-v u/s. If they're not female, use whatever orifice is most proximal. See what they think then.

[eShirl]

15. talk about invasionof privacy!

the legislators who passed this are different from rapists HOW?

[cap]

17. we need to take a page from the hispanics on standing up for ourselves.

this is horrible... what if the fetus was horribly deformed, you'd get the chance to see it. Wonderful

[csziggy]

18. The other apalling part is if there are abnormalities, the doctor does not have to tell the woman

And is indemnified against being sued for malpractice. Where are the Republicans who were screaming about the government getting between a patient and their doctor now? This is Big Brother raping women for the religious right wingers.

[tsuki]

19. Should every Oklahoma man who impregnates a woman who is not

his spouse be forced to undergo a cystoscopy, preferably without anesthesia. It could be labelled, "Here's what the little swimmers do."

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[one_voice]

21. This is terrible!

How is this not assault? Invasion of privacy? I don't see how it's legal.

This law is brought to you by the people that didn't want government intruding on their health care.

This is why Repubs. keep screaming about state's rights..they can discriminate against who they want..Arizona..they can take rights away from who they want...women.

We're going backward not forward.

It's very sad, and scary.

[havocmom]

23. rape by state

pure and simple

[kentuck]

24. And I thought Arizona was stupid??

Oklahoma is even worse.

[DearAbby]

25. The test can be done vaginally if a clearer picture

of the fetus can be shown, the woman can not contest this procedure. This is rape via the government, invasive vaginal procedure without consent. is RAPE.

[krabigirl]

27. Are they going to pry their eyes open and put drops in like in Clockwork orange? scary

[Joanie Baloney]

30. Oooooh...

Great comparison. Both visuals make me cringe.

[ccharles000]

28. k/r

[Enthusiast]

29. Fuck Oklahoma, nt

[Vinca]

31. It really pisses me off that a woman's body seems to be fair game

for every wingnut legislator. How would they react to a bill that mandated an intra-anal ultrasound of a man's prostate before Viagra is prescribed? Or a mandatory vasectomy after a partner experiences an unplanned pregnancy?

[seabeyond]

32. it isn't just the rw. our nation has spent the last decade dehumanizing female.

getting us back in our subservient role and too many of us women have gone willingly. the longer dehumanizing a group happens the easier all of these action will be enacted

[crikkett]

33. Does the state of Oklahoma plan to pay for the ultrasound procedure or

did the cost of getting an abortion in that state just get much more expensive?

[Joanie Baloney]

34. Hmmm...good question

Maybe that will be the ticket for overturning this medieval torture.

-JB

[bc3000]

35. That's exactly what I was wondering

How can it be legal to require medically unindicated procedures as a prerequisite for other medical procedures?

[Seedersandleechers]

37. US is usually included in the price

Dr's don't want to attempt the procedure without visualization.

[Joanie Baloney]

47. Somehow...

I don't think this ultrasound is for the doctor's edification.

:/

[annabanana]

38. "Oklahoma Supports Back Alley Butchers"

I'd like to see a few of THOSE bumperstickers. It could have that iconic pic of our DUer Control-Z's Mom

[Johonny]

40. So much for unnecessary procedures to control health care costs

I enjoy that they can so often contradict themselves on so many subjects

[Triana]

49. The woman probably has to pay for it herself. Not covered by insurance. n/t

[guyton]

41. I'm assuming this will be promptly challenged in court

How many organizations are lining up to fight this? Where can I contribute?

[Joanie Baloney]

46. Good question!

Anyone willing to look that info up? I'd send a few $$'s to help them out!!

Thanks for the idea, Guyton!

-JB

[sam sarrha]

43. horrific increase in the possibility of infection.. not to mention sic and perverted

[JBoy]

45. When are they starting the ball sack probes before allowing vasectomies?

nevermind.

[RagAss]

50. The Capital of Dumfuckistan !

[John Q. Citizen]

51. Ultra sound kills cells. It's useful when needed, but it's not without risk. OK is requiring women

kill fetus cells, by requiring that women take an ultra-sound.

[caseymoz]

52. Yes, and not only is it rape, guess who gets the bill?

The woman seeking the abortion! It can add a thousand dollars onto the cost of the procedure if only that. I'm hoping there's a hell just so Oklahoma legislators could end up there.