birth certificates.

[DesertFlower]

tom tancredo was just on the ed show talking about obama's birth certificate. he said everyone has one that gives the name of the doctor, etc. so i pulled mine out. i have one from the hospital where i was born and another from Bureau of Records, Department of Health, City of new york. both have seals on them. a few years ago i applied for a passport. they would not accept either one of these birth certificates. i had to call new york and have another one issued, which looks like obama's -- the one that you can look up on the internet. it has my mothers name, my father's name, but not the doctors name.

so what the hell do they want?

[lunatica]

1. They want anything but proof off his citizenship

Everyone needs to understand that they're demanding something that they know doesn't exist. And they're doing it very loudly to add distraction.

Teabaggers and birthers when confronted with facts

[baldguy]

5. +1000

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. They want a white guy for president.

[panader0]

4. Icould never understand why, if you are half black and half white

you are black. even one quarter or one eighth.

[SoCalDem]

14. You are whatever is visible (in general society)

the "one-drop rule" only "worked" as long as the person stayed in their own little enclave. Many light-skinned "black" people moved elsewhere and no one was the wiser:)

My son dated a girl whose mother was Japanese and whose dad was Jamaican. She was black and asian, but her "asian-ness" was the most obvious , since she was very fair-skinned.. She was a dropdead gorgeous young girl.. Long jet-black hair, tall like her Dad ... a wonderful combination:)

[DesertFlower]

24. my cousin who is irish/german/italian

married a korean woman. they had 3 children -- 1 girl, 2 boys. all good looking. the girl tended to be more asian looking.

[Angry Dragon]

11. That is the best answer

and they would fight as hard to defeat a woman, because the right believes a man should run his family and the world

[DesertFlower]

19. exactly.

[Fire1]

34. Nail on the head. It's just that simple. n/t

[jaysunb]

3. What do they want ?

A white, male President, maybe ? :evilfrown:

[SoCalDem]

6. They want his placenta, stuffed inside a Dole Pineapple

:rofl:

[Dappleganger]

7. My original birth certificate wasn't acceptable.

For my passport. Had to get a 'Certificate of Live Birth' one from the state of VA. You can't get much more official than that, and I know that's what the president has. If it's good enough for getting a passport it should be good enough for being the legit prez.

BTW, what other president has ANY group challenged their birth?? The only answer is that this is racially motivated.

[LiberalFighter]

8. Simple challenge to them.

What birth certificate are they allowed by law to provide as identification in their state?

[madmom]

9. I don't have one at all, I was born at home. My father and grandmother delivered me.

[Hekate]

30. Weren't you registered someplace though? My husband was delivered by a midwife...

... in Belgium, in his parents' home, and he definitely has a birth certificate. It's in French, so he's had to get certified translations a few times over the years, but it exists.

I'm just curious, because you're not the only DUer to say that you have no BC because of being born at home.

Hekate

[madmom]

32. Yes, I have a photo copy of a piece of paper the doctor filled out saying it

was a female, live birth, with date, time and weight,parents name and that's about it. It's the paper work files at the court house at the time, I think.

[tsuki]

10. They want to Lie & Whine, Lie & Whine. I'm adopted, so I guess that

they wouldn't accept my state certified birth certificate. My "original" is somewhere that I do not have access to.

[DesertFlower]

18. the one i have from the hospital is ready to

fall apart. i'm 68 so i guess that's how old it is. lol

[madmom]

33. The white whine party :o)

[DearAbby]

12. Doctors name isnt relevant

to prove citizenship, this is pure nonsense.

[Angry Dragon]

13. Did palin or mc cain ever show theirs"

[SoCalDem]

20. With Palin, all I'd care to see is a record of her OB/GYN visits for her grandson, Trig

:evilgrin:

[Angry Dragon]

25. She is too busy using him as a prop

[HockeyMom]

15. Mine is just like Obama's

WITHOUT even my parents names. In 1952 when my Dad applied for VA benefits, the Bureau of Vital Statistics of NYC sent the VA my Dad's, my Mom's, and my ORIGINIAL BCs. They subsequently LOST the originals. The only thing that remains was our listing in the Birth Index Book. It only contains the bare minimum of name, date of birth, and place of birth. The one that I have was issued in 1952 when I started school and has the official seal of the state of NY.

When I first applied for a passport in 1969, I had a LOT of trouble with them accepting this official record of birth. It took weeks of back and forth between bureaus before they finally issued me a passport. Two years ago, I applied for a new passport. Even though they didn't question my old passport, they did question this copy of my BC. I was told the only reason I was issued a passport was because somebody 40 years ago took my "short form" BC.


There is nothing nefarious about all this. In a city of 8 million people, I am sure it has happened more than once over the decades.

[ejpoeta]

23. i just had to go pay $30 to get another birth certificate with my parent's name on it.

[DesertFlower]

26. the one i had to get a few years ago

for my passport is from new york. it has both my mom's name and my dad's.

[LiberalFighter]

16. Everyone has one that gives the name of the doctor?

I don't. My mother might still have it. But I have never had to use it in my adult years (last 38 plus years). My retirement required a certificate with a seal.

[unblock]

17. the only proof they will accept is white skin.

actually even that's not enough, as a suspicious accent would disqualify you as well.

on the other hand, significant donations to the republican party and/or many republican office-holders could easily serve as alternative proof of citizenship.

[ejpoeta]

21. really tommy... show us your birth certificate with the doctor's name on it

oh, i guess you aren't a citizen either.

[DesertFlower]

27. the one i have from the hospital has

the doctor's name on it. i have another one that even put my dad's profession and where he worked. my mom is listed as housewife. they both have seals, but like i said earlier they were not valid for my passport.

[spanone]

22. they are fucking with Obama and the democrats...shame on ed & tweety for having tancreado on...

he has no credibility whatsoever

[DesertFlower]

28. don't blame them. if they

didn't have them on, how would we know what these assholes are up to? i don't watch fox news. i depend on MSNBC for information.

[spanone]

31. i blame them. these people are the kooks. i don't care what their up to.

[Hekate]

29. They want President Barack Hussein Obama to not exist. His crime? Being Black in the White House.

My own birth cert is one of those photostats with white print on a black background. I've kept it in a safe place and never lost it, so never had to send away for an updated copy. It has all kinds of extraneous info on it, but I'll have to work from memory as I keep in in my safe deposit box at the bank. So far every agency has accepted its authenticity.

Mom was a "housewife." Dad was an aircraft mechanic (or maybe just "mechanic"). I was Mom's first birth. I was "legitimate," or at least not stamped "illegitimate." Mom and Dad may have been "Caucasian," but I don't remember. My little footsie print was on it, as was my length and weight. Of course the doc's name was on it, and the hospital (Glendale Sanitarium no longer exists I'm sure).

Maybe some state statistician was collecting all this info for a reason, but most of it is not exactly relevant to proving where and when I was born.

Mom gave birth to a full-term stillborn baby about 1952 -- did she receive a certificate of non-live birth for him? Heaven only knows, but the way the Birthers go on about Obama's supposed "certificate of live birth" you'd think there would be something like that. Ew.

My kids were born in Hawai'i in the 1970s, and there was a lot less of that sort of information required for their birth certs. Then when my daughter lost her copy and had to send away for a new one, even less info was presented on the form.

By the time she lost it again, the State of Hawai'i had put all this data into computers, and she got a printout that looks exactly like the one that has been put online for Barack Obama.

The Birthers are insane. They are insatiable and no amount of information will satisfy them. They make me hope the Secret Service and CIA are sincere about protecting the POTUS.

Hekate

[tavalon]

35. Yes, those who give birth to a child over 20 weeks get a certificate of non live birth

or sometimes it's just called a death certificate. They also get a memento box with a snip of hair, footprints and pictures of the baby. At least these days.

The birth certificate thing with Obama is not about his birth, it's about his blackness, as you pointed out.

[DesertFlower]

36. i had one with my footprint on it.

a company that i worked for wanted it and then they lost it. i was so pissed because they didn't even offer to pay the few bucks it cost to get a new one.

[proudohioan]

37. Maybe he confused birth certificates with death certificates?

I dunno, mine doesn't have any name of a doctor, neither do any of my kids b/c's; however, all death certificates that I've seen have a doctor's name on it....

:shrug: