I am not a conspiracy theorist, however I have a problem with this oil spill

[lazer47]

it just seems strange to me that thru all of the controversy about drilling off shore, that on the very week that Pres. Obama opens up drilling off shore, we get an "accident" and explosion,, seems way to coincidental to me

[Statistical]

1. Gemerally if the sentence begins with "I am not a conspiracy theorist" you are a conspiracy theorist

It is just like
"I am not racist but...."
"I don't hate gay people however ..."
"I got nothing against Mexicans but ..."

[lazer47]

4. Bull shit,,,You could say the same about the Iraq war...

[Statistical]

12. Ok so who blew up the rig?

A) BP blew up their own multi billion dollar (rented) rig resulting in loss of billions more in oil and billion more in enviromental damage. The net "gain" being less support for future drilling which means less profits?

b) Some environmentalist ninja swam 30 miles offshore without being detected climbed on board the rig and blew it up with "magic". The net "gain" being environmental destruction on a scale not seen since Valdez spill?

[lazer47]

13. I didn't say I had the answer,, just the question

[dixiegrrrrl]

17. "but" is called the eraser word...it erases anything before it.

as you point out....
FYI...Limbaugh IS spreading the idea that "liberuls" *somehow* caused the explosion because Obama
opened drilling.

Actually, there are various news reports that Haliburton delayed putting a cap on the well head when it was
cementing something down there.....I suggest a google for it. I was glued to news reports most of yesterday and that floated by the news feed.

[lazer47]

21. "But" is nowhere in my post.

[Matariki]

50. But however, 'however' means precisely the same thing.

:P

[madokie]

2. When you have the dicks company

involved there is no telling the truth of this. Sounds like the Halliburton crew didn't cement the hole right and a big bubble of highly explosive gas is behind this. I doubt that anyone on the drilling rig even had a chance to say fuck, shit, hell or whatever expletive they may or may not use.

[lazer47]

9. You are probably right Okie, just seems to convenient for me,

[Statistical]

14. Convenient for who?

Who gains from this spill?

Environmentalists - ah nope
BP - not unless losing $26 billion in market cap is "gaining".
Republicans - not really when most are also in favor of drilling.
The Sea life - not unless they are going to start a hydrocarbon economy.

[lazer47]

16. Opec,, Saudia Arabia, Venezuela, and many others that sell us oil

[zazen]

30. someone who was shorting oil?

I don't think we should silence someone who's raising a question many others have probably thought but felt it was impolitique to raise.

It could have no explanation--no meaningful cause. It could be the result of Haliburton/KBR greed and insensitivity to life. . . the same ones who who did such inept electrical work in Iraq that soldiers were shocked when using water from the faucet.

But there's nothing wrong with asking the question about whether this was deliberate by someone. Lazer47 doesn't seem to be advocating for any particular complex theory tied to Bilderbergs and Bohemian Grove and alien abductions--s/he is simply raising the question. I'd assume a few people in the FBI and CIA have raised it. That's their job. Why can't we?

[Mother Smuckers]

48. Not really, oil is totally fungible; you have no way to know where the carbon atoms in your tank

started out...Mexico, Middle East, Alaska or Pennsylvania...any or all plus lots of others. And Opec
doesn't "sell" oil, it's a sort of consortium or cartel of about a dozen countries, only one of which
is in the Western Hemisphere, I believe - Venezuela. There are hundreds of producers that are not members.

[MadHound]

3. Well, I think that you can rule out BP deliberately blowing up it's own platform

So unless you think that some renegade environmentalists came on board and blew up the platform, I think we can call it coincidence, or better yet, karma.

[spanone]

10. they were only renting the platform...karma/koinkydink is probably correct

renting it for 1,000,000 a day.....oil must be pretty profitable, eh?

[Statistical]

19. Yup and now BP (or BP insurance company) owes Transocean a mere ...

$350 million for the lost rig.
Combine that with 6 million barrels spilled = $480 million worth of lost oil.
Environmental cleanup costs may be another $1 billion.
Figure another month or two before they get oil cut off = another $480 - $960 million worth of lost oil.
Likely Obama EPA will score some points with a "big" fine say another $100 million

BP is going to lose big on this one all because it isn't "profitable" to install a $600,000 backup device to close the well. Sometimes capitalists are too stupid to even see that regulation can make MORE MONEY. Had BP been "forced" by EPA/DOE to pay an extra $600,000 and install a acoustic switch (backup method to close well in an accident) it would have saved them $1 - $3 billion.

$600,0000 vs $3 billion. Price nice return on investment for that safety device. That is just looking at it in pure $$$$ terms and ignoring the PR value and environmental value.

[madokie]

52. I read yesterday something that someone here posted

or it was in a link I went too from here but they were talking about the 'cementing in' and how that is likely what happened. They use cement to seal this pipe/apparatus and cement being what it is it sometimes fails, cracks, and when it does at these pressures you have what we have here. Likely a huge bubble of highly explosive gas rose to the surface and the rig happened to be in its way and the rig being what it is, a drilling rig, makes sparks that could set the gas/air mixture off. I doubt seriously if anyone on the rig had an inkling they were fixing to die it all happened so fast.

[annabanana]

5. Here.. Let me help you adjust that. . .

[Robb]

6. I was kidding someone in another thread

....that it's aaaaalllll part of Obama's secret plan. First you authorize drilling, then you order the CIA to bomb an oil rig and back out of it. Win-win!

Triangular 9-dimensional checkers, or something. :D

Edited to add a verb.

[dixiegrrrrl]

22. Oh..wait.. you might be onto something there.

He used HARRP, they shot a beam at the well, it blows, it has just been announced the WH has said no
NEW drilling until the cause is determined.
By job, that 's it. Obama gets to be a closet environmentalist without losing the oil money lobby support.

Damn...he IS good.

Chess player indeedy.

[Statistical]

25. Other than the massive enviromental damage.

Right? :)

Kinda like being afraid to risk your money in stockmarket so you burn it all instead.
Now you no longer have anything to risk of losing all your money.

[SidDithers]

39. HAARP is the perfect addition to this thread...

very nicely done :applause:

Sid

[dixiegrrrrl]

46. * curtsy*

[Viking12]

44. look at the footage..chemtrails prominently whisping above the rig

[Ozymanithrax]

7. It is called a fortuitous accident...if you can call a massive rape of the ecosystem...

in the gulf fortuitous.

[Klukie]

8. Ah..I would just chalk it up to Mercury in Retrograde....

Shit tends to break around this time....maybe Obama looked to the stars for some help when he was planning the week to open up the offshore drilling.

[ChickMagic]

11. Pardon me

You happen to be a conspiracy theorist butt. Just like a skeptic butt. Or a not racist butt.

[cali]

15. oh for the love of a modicum of intelligence

which is entirely absent from your op.

[lazer47]

18. So whats new,, I haven't shown intelligence since '72 and my last

trip to 'Nam

[dixiegrrrrl]

23. Actually, several others have commented that Gaia is getting her own back.

THAT is a concept I have been comfortable with for a long long long time.

[NoNothing]

31. Wrong

It's the Flying Spaghetti Monster. We have offended him with insufficient meatball sacrifices.

[dixiegrrrrl]

45. Ramen to that.

[Schema Thing]

37. cutting off her nose to spite her face?

[stray cat]

20. Progressives did it to make a point that we should not drill?

its as good as those we come up with against the right I guess. People love conspiracy theories....

[ecstatic]

24. lihop or mihop?

:crazy:

[slackmaster]

26. And a few people on the right fringe are suggesting sabotage by liberals

The symmetry is almost perfect.

[tabatha]

27. Yeah, I guess BP must be in on it - they are about to fork over a lot of money.

BP’s chief executive says, 'We are taking full responsibility for the spill and we will clean it up' –Reuters

http://twitter.com/BreakingNews

[dixiegrrrrl]

47. Just what Exxon said.

And we are still waiting for justice on that incident.

[freddie mertz]

28. This is something that could have happened at any time.

We don't know the exact circumstances.

But this has always been the risk.

The administration was cynical and stupid to embrace a policy of expanded "exploration."

The timing could not have been worse for them.

But shit happens.

And they should have known better.

[lunatica]

29. With that kind of power who needs God?

:sarcasm:

[dixiegrrrrl]

34. THEY are doing God's work, don'tcha see.

It all fits now ( scribbling madly on the blackboard)......

See, it was an oil "rig"...and "rig" means they had the game.... "rigged".
So they took out the dead peasants insurance on the workers, and insurance on the rig
( those pesky cdswappy things) and asked the socialist government for help
( need more chalk here,,wait a minute)......
and that means the state comes in.
see, the STATE !!!
NOW who else was around back in the day when the State took over...
Yes ! .Hitler !!!!

yeah....makes sense now :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[tabatha]

35. yup, you learned 'good' from the chalkboardster

LOL

[lunatica]

53. Hahahaha!

That was excellent and gets the prize!

[The Stranger]

32. Probably woudn't have happened if Bush/Cheney hadn't prevented appropriate regulations.

Wake the fuck up, man. This was bound to happen. Greed and profit motive overwhelmed safety and common sense. Happens every fucking time.

That's no conspiracy. That's the fact, Jack.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

33. You are a conspiracy theorist just admit it. n/t

[Tsiyu]

36. Here's your Offshore Drilling Conspiracy:

Right Here:




CAUSE has met EFFECT


The CAUSE was carelessness due to greed and the EFFECT is another clusterfuck for the Gulf states.

There you go.


Now, the woo woo among us believe it is a time of instant karma, so to speak, but that's for another thread...

[Brother Buzz]

38. The men behind the fence on the grassy knoll have found gainful employment

further proof the economy has turned the corner.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

40. I hear ya! I also heard a rumor a sea turtle was seen leaving the scene on the back of a dolphin

Both are being sought for questioning but it's suspected they've slipped into international waters where we have no jurisdiction.

I knew, eventually, there'd be hell to pay for our actions.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

41. .

[Liberal In Texas]

42. Occam's Razor:

The lack of strong safety regulation and the lack of enforcement of what regulation there is means a disaster waiting to happen. Yes, it was a coincidence that it happened after the President's offshore drilling order.

[Blue Owl]

43. Sometimes nature's timing is spot-on

Given the extreme conditions that occur deep underwater, plus all the seismic activity going on underseas, I am kinda surprised it hasn't happened sooner...

[Echo In Light]

54. Wonder why the hell the admin is sending in SWAT teams?!

[hootinholler]

49. Another timely RW talking point on DU

:puke:

-Hoot

[Hansel]

51. Sorry but Haliburton is being looked at as the culprit for their shoddy work.

They poured the cement that anchored the rig and was suppose to prevent gas leakage. Just like their shoddy work in Iraq, the cement crumbled and the gas leaked through. That is the preliminary findings.

It's quite easy to believe this because of Haliburton's record of shoddy work resulting in the deaths of American soldiers and the crumbling of school, hospital and barrack structures. They try to do things on the cheap in order to suck as much money out as possible.

Maybe the coincidence of the timing was more about Mother Nature trying to make a point.