Stomp out ignorance. Marijuana NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER needs to be smoked.

[Union Yes]

1. Marijuana can be added to almost any fatty cooked food. The active drug in MJ, THC chemically bonds with fat molecules when heat is applied. THC is fat soluble. Examples..

Add ground MJ to a batch of brownies, cookies, meatloaf, lasagna etc. Endless food recipes that MJ can added to.

MJ can be ground to a fine powder and cooked in pure oil, like olive or vegetable oil and drizzled over a salad.

The most potent parts of an MJ plant can be ground and placed into a pill capsule and eaten with a fatty food, the high acidity of the stomach will complete the chemical reaction needed to bond THC to fat. Eat a handful of Doritos, wait a few minutes and ingest the pill. This method is perhaps one of the most potent delivery methods and requires no cooking, obviously.

When MJ is smoked in a joint, bong, bowl etc much of the THC is destroyed from being burnt up.
Cooking MJ into a fatty food like brownies hardly destroys any of the THC. Eating an MJ brownie delivers a very potent, yet safe dose of THC.

In a nutshell, eating MJ delivers the full dose of THC without any harmful effect associated with smoking. Many recent studies dispute whether there is a harmful effect from smoking pot. Many/most would prefer to eat it rather than smoke it.

2. Vaporizing.

MJ can be vaporized. Somewhat similar to newly popular E-cigarettes. MJ vaping has been a growing trend for the past couple of decades. Long before e-cigs. In fact, e-cigs grew from the MJ vaping scene.

Vaporizing applies mildly hot air to a small amount of MJ. That hot air warms the MJ to a point that it releases it's remaining water in the form of vapor. THC in the plant clings to this water vapor as it is breathed into the lungs. No burning of the plant material takes place. No thc is burnt up like normal smoking methods.

You only breathe in smoke free water vapor laced with THC from the plant matter. When exhaled it looks similar to exhaling foggy breathe on a cold day.

There are no ill smoking related health effects associated with vaporizing.

A quality vaporizer runs $80-$800.

..........................................................................................

It's time to stop allowing ourselves to be lied to by the anti-MJ/MJ prohibition crowd.

MJ never needs to be smoked.

Disarm lies with awareness.

[TK421]

1. Lots of marijuana threads lately...is there some new law going into effect?

[JuniperLea]

5. Legalization is hitting the ballot in CA... eom

[Echo In Light]

9. +1

[Union Yes]

80. +2 Go Cali! I hope this passes. nt

[TK421]

16. Ah..okay, thanks n/t

[me b zola]

19. And we will likely have it on the ballot here in Oregon! n/t

[Union Yes]

78. +1 Go Oregon!

:fistbump:

:hippie:

[Union Yes]

43. Yup, I'm following that issue closely. Thanks for adding!

:hippie:

[Mojeoux]

60. Before You Freak Out About Smoking Marijuana, READ THIS

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Study Shows No Increased Risk for Even the Heaviest Marijuana Smokers
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on Tuesday, May 23, 2006

May 23, 2006 -- People who smoke marijuana do not appear to be at increased risk for developing lung cancer, new research suggests.

While a clear increase in cancer and cancer risk was seen among cigarette smokers in the study, no such association was seen for regular cannabis users.

Even very heavy, long-term marijuana users who had smoked more than 22,000 joints over a lifetime seemed to have no greater risk than infrequent marijuana users or nonusers.

The findings surprised the study’s researchers, who expected to see an increase in cancer among people who smoked marijuana regularly in their youth.

“We know that there are as many or more carcinogens and co-carcinogens in marijuana smoke as in cigarettes,” researcher Donald Tashkin, MD, of UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine tells WebMD. “But we did not find any evidence for an increase in cancer risk for even heavy marijuana smoking.” Carcinogens are substances that cause cancer.

Tashkin presented the findings today at The American Thoracic Society’s 102nd International Conference, held in San Diego.
Boomers Reaching Cancer Age






Note from Mojeoux:

This is from 2006, and since then, according to Dr Jeff Hergenrather of Sebastopol, Ca

www.canorml.org/prop/215physicians.html


The absence of cancer cell formation in long term pot smokers lungs' has instigated new research
to find out why. If the THC is acting as a suppressant,there are questions about how to use this effect in other areas of cancer research.

This is my #500th post!,
DU Rocks
MJ

[Union Yes]

62. Thanks for adding! I've read many of those studies and have followed health studies on..

this issue closely for many years now. My take- there is no conclusive evidence that smoking pot is a health risk.

Heavy abuse is a different issue. Anything abused heavily can kill a person.

Heavy cig smoking, heavy drinking etc.

I agree 100% with what you replied. Part of the excuse for keeping pot illegal is health effects. Many elected politicians are extremely ignorant on this issue. Biased too. They use lies like this to justify their wrongheaded positions.

That's why I wrote this OP. I hope this explains why.

Peace.
UY

[Mojeoux]

81. With possible legalization so close her in California........

Maybe I should post this as a new thread?

Thank You for your activism on this subject, UY.

Lately, SOME of my fellow pot smoking Californians have all these negative

ideas about legalization and taxation. Some just parrot anti-tax propaganda.

There are ways that have been suggested to make the taxation of this wild ass industry

but people are worried about prices dropping, or some king of Big Ag moving in and taking over,

killing jobs, all kinds of Doom's Day scenarios.

I want to contribute the taxes because I want to help California's health care and schools and God knows what else has been cut from public services.

I know that money talks, I want California tax money to talk LOUD.

[Union Yes]

84. Agree 100%

Yes, please post that as an OP. Very important for people to know that info. Thanks for posting it here. Thank you to for your activism on this issue.

I agree so much too that Ca and every other state needs to legalize and start taxing this. Just like you said, it's become a wild ass industry.

If it's ever legalized then I'd like to see government protect the industry by keeping it only in the hands of smaller growers/smaller family farms. Co-ops too.

I'll be cheering hard for you guys from Chicago this November to pass that ballot initiative.
I'll be donating money to pro-legal causes for that Cali ballot.

Good vibes to you and to the pro-legalize people of Cali!

Thanks for the kind words.
UY

:fistbump:

:hippie:

[NikRik]

161. they should keep growers small !

The demand for weed will be high(excuse the pun) and alot will be needed to keep up with supply and demand ! However I believe the goverment also needs to pass laws to propect small growers and not let some large corp come in and simply get large plots of land to grow high grade pot.I know some who grow thier own for personal use and say if they wanted to could grow more to sell.However they do not want any trouble with the law so they follow the current law in Ca. on growing for personal use.When its legalized small growers should not be undersold or pushed out by the large corperations. Just like mom and pop hardware stores and grocery stores for the most part have disapperaed due to the take over by large companies in this case we must insure this does not happen. They will pay employees who due most of the work $10 per hour while the management makes 200 and 300 thousand a year. I see this unfairness in our work places every where ,lets not let this happen to another product in the US
IMHO,NikRik

[reggie the dog]

182. leagal or not you should see my durban poison

may 1st and damned if 3 of my 5 outdoor plants are already a foot tall! thanks spring rain down here by the med in the south of France!!!! getting bigger pots this week and digging the holes near that hidden spring that flows all summer (no watering needed and on public land!) what ??? is that illegal???? fuck it! grow your own, give the extra away for free!

[John Q. Citizen]

168. Caffeine posses a substantially greater health risk than cannabis.

Of course, someone could make a rope out of some hemp stalks and use it to commit suicide.

But as far as public health issues go, they have known since the 70s that cannabis doesn't present much of a public health concern.

But they also know that you can't outlaw rock and roll or being black, or being young, so they changed what used to be an import duty to a federal offense and that way they could politically control those groups who had the greatest cultural exposure and history to cannabis. It was a Nixon white house plan and it's been used non-stop ever since, by both parties.

It's good to see that the voters in CA will get the opportunity to vote for sanity and the rule of law, instead of basing policy on fear and loathing.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

105. Is there any research about Emphysema risK?

Seems like that could be a problem with smoking that you couldn't avoid.

cooking or vaporizing seems better if you have lung issues like that.

[GReedDiamond]

107. I was part of the Tashkin study back in the early to mid 80s...

...and the reports I received back from the study regarding the specific results of my tests indicated that my lungs were as-good-as to better-than a non-smoker living in the Los Angeles area, as the study took into account the air quality/air pollution levels of the actual environment the test subjects lived within.

The subjects of the Tashkin study were selected from all groups of individuals who were: tobacco smokers who smoked pot, tobacco smokers who did not smoke pot, pot smokers who smoked tobacco, pot smokers who did not smoke tobacco (my category), and so on; while also including, if I'm not mistaken, people who smoked nothing at all of any kind.

I remember Dr. Tashkin's appearance on a local morning TV show, somewhere around 1985 or so, where the Doctor, when speaking about his study, exhibited a bias towards expecting that he would conclude that marijuana smoking was as bad or worse than tobacco smoking, and I remember thinking, another bogus pot study with a preconceived conclusion: Pot Kills!

When I saw Dr. Tashkin's conclusions, as referenced above in Mojeoux's post, I was happy to know that the Good Doctor Tashkin had reached an entirely different conclusion to his study than what he himself was expecting.

[Union Yes]

108. Very interesting! Thank you for sharing.

:fistbump:

That might be worthy of an OP.

:hippie:

[Mojeoux]

109. That Is amazing!

I was at a Happy Harvest Event last fall in Sebastopol and there were a lot of speakers including the cool ol' crusty curmudgeon Ed Rosenthal. After Dr. Hergenrather's speech he asked for questions. I had saved this info about this 2006 study and so I asked. "What about lung cancer?"

He said he was glad I asked and spoke about this study and the new research re: THC vs. Cancer cells.

[Union Yes]

110. I bet you had a great time there!

Cool story. Thanks for sharing.

:fistbump:

[GReedDiamond]

115. I met Ed Rosenthal back around 1978-79...

...we appeared before the Venice, CA counsel members (or whatever they were called), about our desire to do a "Harvest Festival of Life" (a smoke-in), on the Venice Boardwalk. Ed was a "crusty curmudgeon" even way back then...we were denied the permits.

However, by 1983, we (those who worked on it in any regard, but mainly the California Marijuana Initiative-CMI), were able to secure the permits for a July 3-4 1983 smoke-in at the Federal Building in Los Angeles (Westwood). We got Black Flag to play, along with Chuck Dukowski's side project Würm, my band (The Hundredth Monkey), other bands I can't remember now, and a bunch of people who came on stage and gave speeches about/and smoked pot. I was also privileged to meet Jack Herer around that time, hang out with him, and listen to him pontificate about pot! That was a great time...

Henry Rollins documented Black Flag's appearance at the Federal Building smoke-in in his book Get in the Van On - the Road With Black Flag.

We also did another event at the Federal Building on October 30, 1983, when we put together a concert with the traveling New York City based/YIPPIE! conspiracy called "Rock Against Reagan,", and besides my band, The Hundredth Monkey, the other truly great band to play was San Pedro's finest, the Minutemen. Unfortunately, there were a shitload of pro-shah (yeah the Shah of Iran circa 1979), counter-demonstrators present (we had permits, they did not), which made for a very tense situation wherein there were "FBI snipers" in the surrounding hi-rise structures around the Federal Building. Fortunately, there were no major incidents.

The Minutemen were fucking great. The Hundredth Monkey were almost as good!

[Union Yes]

119. ..

I have many Ed books!

He's a wicked smart man.

:fistbump:

[Mojeoux]

121. He kind of teases me about comparing the waters of Lourdes to the healing power of Pot.

I make the analogy of the silliness of the French initially forbidding everyone the waters of St Bernadette and the silliness of forbidding people a plant.

And the fact that Napoleon's own Nanny got busted getting water and told the sheriff that she would pay everybody's fine, but to give her the water. I don't know why it made Napoleon's kid better but it's a sweet story and a cash cow for the city of Lourdes for sure.

I like the idea of an "Emperor's Nanny," in the world of medical marijuana. A rich and powerful,
person who is busted getting weed for someone they love very much. Big dramatic headlines, TMZ!

Ed is smart as a whip and does not suffer fools. Ha Ha Lord knows he's seen his share.

He likes to tease and knows I don't think that the medicine of Pot is like a placebo or a holy miracle.

[GReedDiamond]

122. Yes indeed...

...he and the recently deceased (unfortunately, for the rest of us) Jack Herer were instrumental in getting California to show the way for the rest of the Country, when it comes to abolishing the ancient "war on drugs," being carried out on behalf of the ghosts of Harry Anslinger, Nixon, and Reagan; as well as both BushMonsters (with Clinton in-between), and the current regime, as unfortunately dictated by the current Draconian Federal Statutes.


Photo I shot at Jack Herer's Memorial Service, April 25, 2010.

If ever there was a case for "state's rights," it is in what California is (HOPEFULLY) about to do through the upcoming November ballot initiative.

DOUBLE:fistbump: to Union Yes

edited for punctuation

[Mojeoux]

125. Jack smokin' Jack cool pic Union! n/

[GReedDiamond]

127. IT'S ALWAYS 420!

[GReedDiamond]

131. To clarify the type of research the Tashkin study involved...

...it was NOT (at least, the part I was involved in), about going to a "research facility" and smoking "pot."

I, at no time, smoked any "research pot" supplied by the Government, or anyone else.

The Tashkin Study was all about testing everyday users/non-users/neutral (non-smokers of any kind), adjusted for personal lifestyle/environmental factors, without any cannabis actually being supplied. That was my personal experience of the study.

And, based on my own personal ongoing long-term experience, I concur with the results of the study.

[Flaneur]

167. There is signature-gathering in Washington state, too.

Could be on the ballot for the entire Pacific Coast this year.

[damntexdem]

21. Don't think of it as a lot of marijuana threads -- just as a few pot shots.

[TK421]

22. Cute! I just haven't been following the news out there

:smoke:

[JuniperLea]

23. Ha!

[Union Yes]

24. Nice!

:rofl:

:hippie:

:hi:

[Rex]

2. But, but, but smoking weed is what you do. You mean there are other

ways to take in THC? :sarcasm:

[Union Yes]

88. Ha!

:fistbump:

:hippie:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. Umm, and why is this an issue?

[Union Yes]

6. Because part of the reason for MJ prohibition is the unfounded argument that 'smoking' pot is..

harmful. It's fueling continued prohibition of MJ.

People are sitting in jail because of these lies.

That's why this is a major issue.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. Errr...

while I disagree with the argument that it's harmful, it can just as easily be be extended to eating pot, vaporizing pot, or sticking it up one's ass.

[Rex]

13. I believe he means the cross references to cigarettes and health issues.

Plus you really cannot make a good batch of tobacoo brownies.

[reggie the dog]

183. no, the prohibitionists always say smoking pot is bad, not taking it

because they say it is bad for your lungs.... when did the govt ever tell us pot brownies were bad? they taught me at school that it was bad to SMOKE marijuana, they never said a damn thing about vaporizing it.

[upi402]

4. I don't smoke... anything

I don't even drink booze. BUT! I think those that want to pay a heavy tax and eat or smoke it in private -indoors- should be allowed to. Never deny an American his/her right to think too damn much!

[Union Yes]

97. Word! Agree100%

:fistbump:

:hippie:

[Arkansas Granny]

7. The problem is that regardless how you consume the marijuana, it is still illegal to possess it.

That needs to be changed.

[Union Yes]

11. Right on. But, part of the reason for MJ prohibition is because of the lies peddled..

about smoking related ill health effects.

[Arkansas Granny]

17. Most people I know who oppose marijuana believe it is a harmful drug, regardless how

it is introduced into the systme. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that their opposition to it is because of the danger associated with smoking.

[reggie the dog]

184. anyone who didnt like my smoking has nearly always said shit

like "you shouldnt be SMOKING that shit" or "Smoking" that dope will kill your brain. They never opposed me eating or vaporizing it.

[librechik]

10. FYI, add the MJ to the butter or oil in the recipe and heat first

before adding to the brownie/spaghetti/whatever sauce.

[Union Yes]

12. Right on. I cook it in oil for a few hours..

with a slow cooker crock pot.

Then add that oil to the brownie recipe.

:hippie:

[madokie]

14. you can put a little mj

in a pot of water then add some butter and bring it all to a boil then strain it and let it cool and skim the slightly green by then butter off the top and use it in any recipe you want. Mm Mmm good.

[Union Yes]

15. Green butter. MMMMMMMMMM nummy!

:hippie: :party:

:hi:

[ConcernedCanuk]

26. Maybe we could have an "MJ option" for our margarine

.
.
.

50 years ago we got white margarine in a plastic baggie with a little yellow button filled with a dye we could squeeze to make the margarine yellow

so

how about a GREEN button??

:silly:

[madokie]

30. I remember the white margarine but I don't remember the fyellow button part

I kinda liked it too but I was only a kid then. I love real butter whenever the recipe calls for butter I go butter never that I can't believe its not butter shit they sell today.

[ConcernedCanuk]

65. It's not a big item on Google I see

.
.
.

but I found one pic



closest I've found so far

I guess our margarine/butter thing in the 50's is not a big issue

:dunce:

[Buddyblazon]

86. I've been instructed by several edible professionals here that...

it doesn't work with margarine. Not only do they say if you're using butter...it HAS to be butter...but they also say that the higher the fat content, the better...and for obvious reasons.

We have tons of edible choices here now. We've got The Candy Girls who are making gourmet dessert edibles. We even have a take out restaurant here that is doing steaks...crab cakes....pizzas.

Colorado is a fantastic place for marijuana lovers to be right now. We have more dispensaries than banks or Starbucks. More per capita than even Amsterdam.

[Roon]

49. Green rice crispies treat, yummy also!! eom

[Union Yes]

79. mmmm that sounds very good.

:hippie:

[Roon]

106. It is

my favorite edible.

[Mojeoux]

93. Fresh homemade biscuits, fresh local honey, green butter and no plans for the day! n/t

[havocmom]

18. add it to the hot wings in all country western bars

and stamp out the real threat: that whiny music! :hippie:

[Union Yes]

20. LOL

:rofl:

I'd eat and drink to that!

:hippie: :toast:

[Chulanowa]

36. Hot wings, weed, and no fucking country music, you say?

Brother, your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

[havocmom]

41. Actually... I was considering publishing my silly alternative newsletter for friends again

I had to stop back in 03, cuz frankly, I just couldn't sustain enough constructive humor to write it by then.

Still depressed as hell, but got some of my spunky back, so.... I will keep you informed if I start doing my Twisted Chronicles again. ;)

Be warned, I am borderline dangerous, or would be if I had the resources and physical strength to act on half my ideas ;)

[Oregone]

72. Its best to soak it for a few days in water, dry it, grind it, crock pot it with butter/water

Drain water later after it hardens in fridge..then add to whatever

[Union Yes]

83. Morning toast!

Wakenbake!

:hippie:

[WilliamPitt]

25. ( ( ( ( ( ( ( H U G ) ) ) ) ) ) )

[Union Yes]

27. (((((Hugs back))))))

:grouphug:

:hippie:

:hi:

[nosmokes]

28. honey slides:

grind your herb very fine, say about a gram or so, heat a little butter and honey in a cup in the microwave, add the herb and a bit of water and drink it down.the addition of a bit of mint makes it more palatable.

[Union Yes]

31. MMMM sounds very nummy!!

Thanks for the recipe!

I think I'll give it a 'shot'.

:hippie: :party:

:hi:

[greencharlie]

29. hmmmm... nt

[Initech]

32. You want to get the real full effect? Try drinking it.

Seriously when I was I Amsterdam last year my buddies and I tried space tea - that shit will fuck you up!

[Union Yes]

33. LOL awesome.

I'm shopping online for airfare to Amsterdam right now. :rofl:

Thanks for adding. Sounds very interesting.

:hippie:

[Initech]

42. In all honesty I've never been more fucked up in my entire life.

Seriously I could drink a keg of beer and not reach that level ever again.

[Union Yes]

55. I'll be on a jet to AD before the sun goes down if you keep that up!

:rofl:

:hi:

[Initech]

74. I'll gladly join ya!

:smoke:

[Union Yes]

77. Two peas in a pod. errr 'coffee' shop.

:hi:

[Xithras]

53. THTea "works", but it's hard to make.

Marijuana leaves don't steep well. To really have any effect, you have to let the leaves steep for at least 30 minutes, and most of those places in Amsterdam use a 90 minute minimum steep for their THTea. That's great if you have restaraunt quality gear capable of keeping the water warm and fresh all day, but isn't very practical for home brewers.

There IS, however, an alternative. Back when I was in college, one of my roomies was a big tea drinker, and he had one of those little metal steeping cages with the chain on them. He would keep a hash ball in his steeper, and whenever he was making normal tea he'd toss it in alongside the regular tea bag. The resulting tea tasted identical to normal tea, and only required a normal 3-4 minute steep, but had a great sedative effect. He would often leave the ball in his cup as he drank, so it would get stronger and stronger as time went on.

[Union Yes]

54. THTea! that's awesome.

:rofl:

I want some!

:hippie:

:hi:

[muffin1]

63. How much would it take to make a cup of spice tea?

I try to use my stash very sparingly, but you are tempting me!

[Union Yes]

76. Yup, enquiring minds want to know now that the beans are spilled..

:rofl:

:hippie:

[reggie the dog]

185. we boil fan leaves up in milk and get wrecked like shrooms

seriously the fan leaves you cannot smoke, we take those off of our plants, like two big handfulls into a liter of milk and forget about doing anything for about ten hours.

[me b zola]

34. I use the V-Tower extreme

Half the price of a Volcano and I love it.




http://www.vaporizerguy.com/vaporizer-reviews/extreme-vaporizer-review/

[Union Yes]

35. Thanks for the info..

I've heard great things about that brand. Good to hear from an actual person that's used it.

I've thought about upgrading to that one.

I paid about $130 for a Vaporbrothers vp'er a few years back. I love it.

But, I'm thinking of upgrading to the one you got. Thanks for adding!

:hippie:

[zappaman]

38. Great handheld vaporizer

I have turned many a friend on to this vaporizer.
You can buy it off of their site or on amazon.
I got mine for 80 bucks at a local shop.
I swear by this!!!

http://magic-flight.com/

[Union Yes]

57. Hey, thanks. I've never heard of that brand. Looks interesting AND affordable.

Thanks for adding.

Wish we could share a vape from it!

:hippie:

[zappaman]

66. It really does work

I was wary since the Volcano is the only one I've tried(and I've tried many) that really seemed to wrrk.
but 500 bucks is way too much.
give this a shot! I guarantee you will be happy!

[kpete]

56. yep

"highly" recommended, kp

[jberryhill]

37. Eating and dose regulation....

The advantage of smoking over eating is that dose can be regulated in real time, due to the rapid introduction into the bloodstream. That is, the user can more readily determine "how high" to get and for how long. After eating the brownie, the user is along for the ride, for as high and long as it's going to last.

And, a price spread between $80 and $800 is impressively wide. However, one is then in permanent possession of a piece of apparatus with no credible lawful use.

I agree with the sentiment, that there are methods of consumption which have certain advantages over other methods of consumption. But there are advantages and disadvantages in play here.

[Union Yes]

59. Vaporizing allows dosing control just like smoking. But, you added some valid points!

Thanks for adding to the discussion.

:hippie:

[jberryhill]

117. Right, but it is still unlawful paraphenalia in some jurisdictions

...and is not something you can flush down a toilet in a hurry.

[Union Yes]

118. Yup, I agree. Sad it's gotta be that way.

Hopefully someday, things will change.

Peace
UY

[Xicano]

39. Show Me The Bodies!

Why aren't there any bodies showing marijuana as the cause of mortality? The mechanics of smoking on lung and bronchial tissues are fine hot particulate matter rubbing very small sores on these tissues as would be expected from any abrasive over a period of time. This in of itself is not a major problem for the body to deal with. Subsequently the tar found in both tobacco and marijuana smoke sticks to these small sores and its what is found in this tar with tobacco smoke such as nicotine and traces of polonium-210 and lead-210 of which are absent in marijuana smoke and thus its tar. Instead marijuana smoke contains various cannabinoids which have shown in vitro and in vivo to possess anti-cancer properties.

The trichomes on tobacco leaves concentrate the polonium which persists when tobacco is dried and processed. The levels of polonium-210 were measured in cigarette smoke by Radford and Hunt (Polonium-210: a volatile radioelement in cigarettes. Science. 1964; 143:247-9) and in the bronchial epithelium of smokers and nonsmokers by Radford, Little and McCombs (Distribution of polonium-210 in pulmonary tissues of cigarette smokers. N Engl J Med. 1965; 273:1343-51). After inhalation, ciliary action causes the insoluble radioactive particles to accumulate at the bifurcation of segmental bronchi, a common site of origin of bronchogenic carcinomas.

Years of these carcinogenic substances found in tobacco smoke (absent in marijuana smoke) accumulating at these small abrasion sores in the pulmonary system caused by smoke and cirrculating into the blood through the lung's capillaries is what causes some people to develop cancer and other medical issues.

Here's a medical article on the subject from WebMD:

Pot Smoking Not Linked to Lung Cancer

May 23, 2006 -- People who smoke marijuana do not appear to be at increased risk for developing lung cancerlung cancer, new research suggests.

While a clear increase in cancercancer risk was seen among cigarette smokers in the study, no such association was seen for regular cannabis users.

Even very heavy, long-term marijuana users who had smoked more than 22,000 joints over a lifetime seemed to have no greater risk than infrequent marijuana users or nonusers.

The findings surprised the study’s researchers, who expected to see an increase in cancer among people who smoked marijuana regularly in their youth.

“We know that there are as many or more carcinogens and co-carcinogens in marijuana smoke as in cigarettes,” researcher Donald Tashkin, MD, of UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine tells WebMD. “But we did not find any evidence for an increase in cancer risk for even heavy marijuana smoking.” Carcinogens are substances that cause cancer.

Tashkin presented the findings today at The American Thoracic Society’s 102nd International Conference, held in San Diego.Boomers Reaching Cancer Age


http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20060523/pot-smoking-not-linked-to-lung-cancer

[Union Yes]

104. Worthy of an OP!

Please consider posting that as an OP. People need to know this info. Thanks for posting it here!

:fistbump:

:hi:

[Mojeoux]

116. Yes OP this !

I thought folks knew about this study until I started reading some of the weed related threads.
Check out above where I posted the Raskin study too and a guy wrote back that was actually in the study!!
Plus you have the info re: the tobacco lung pollution.

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[bigwillq]

40. My buddies are now into the vapor form

I had a few hits a few weeks ago off of it. Good stuff. :smoke:

[Union Yes]

98. It really does the job!

:hippie:

[bigwillq]

128. It was either that

or the fact that I hadn't smoked the green in like seven years. Anyhoo, I was rocked. :)

[Union Yes]

129. ..

Oh damn, I bet you got fucked up. That's awesome. :rofl:

Peace
UY

:hi:

[bigwillq]

130. I toked again a few days ago.

Second time in like seven years. :smoke:

:hi:

[KatyMan]

44. shit, meant to rec, hit un!

Can someone cancel me out?

thanks!

[Moosepoop]

45. Consider yourself canceled.

;-)

[Union Yes]

52. Thanks!

:hippie:

:hi:

[Union Yes]

48. No prob, I've accidentally done that myself before too.

:hippie:

[Roon]

46. My caregiver is getting a new vaporizer

and he is giving me his old one. I can't wait!

[Union Yes]

47. Lucky you =)

That's cool. I bet you'll love it!

:hippie:

:hi:

[MattBaggins]

50. So are you saying that one

could take a split English muffin, top it with pizza sauce, pepperoni, cheese and a little MJ?

[Union Yes]

51. Yes. Eating that would give you the munchies.

:hippie:

:hi:

[glitch]

82. You risk an infinite feedback loop. nt

[musiclawyer]

58. I vaporize exclusively now

my machine is not high end but it works quite well, and you can indeed regulate your high like with smoking, unlike with eating. Eating might be good for medicinal, but for people like me who are purely casual, irregular and recreational, eating tends to take me down the ladder, which I don't like.

[Union Yes]

61. Word. Thanks for the informed reply!

:hippie:

[Oregone]

64. It can also be dropped in Vodka or Everclear (absorbed under tongue or swallowed)

It can be extracted right down to its mushy goodness with butane too

[Union Yes]

67. Hmmm interesting..

Haven't heard of that method. I may have to give it a try!

Sounds like it'd be a blast to try that with a few freinds.

Thanks for adding.

:hippie:

[Oregone]

71. More fun ideas

http://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/

[Union Yes]

73. Nice..

I've been a member of RIU for quite awhile now. Awesome site. I've never posted there but am an avid reader.

Peace
UY

[pipi_k]

68. Wonder if it can be processed and added to

grandma's hand lotion


:evilgrin:

[Union Yes]

70. I wouldn't doubt it.

It does absorb sublingually so it'd probably absorb through the skin like a nicotine patch perhaps.

Even if you we're joking, it's a intriguing thought LOL.

:hippie:

[pipi_k]

85. Yep, I was sort of serious...

I use progesterone cream and I know that it's absorbed through the skin and makes me sleepy within 30 minutes.

Imagine Weed Cream....


:7

[Union Yes]

87. I'd have the softest skin on planet Earth..

:rofl:

:hippie:

[pipi_k]

95. hahahahahaha!!!! And be REAL happy about it, too!

:7

[Union Yes]

96. Darn tootin!

:rofl:

I don't want to make light of your question though. I just don't know how to answer it. I really don't know if it works through the skin. It works under the tongue so I'm guessing it works through the skin like a nic patch.

Me best answer friend!

:hi:

[tridim]

155. I've made small batches of canna-lotion

Bascially it was some hash, heated and dissolved in a tiny bit of alcohol and mineral oil, then mixed with coco butter. The problem is, thc and cbd don't bind to muscle, they bind to the spleen and parts of the brain.

I used it on my sore fingers and wrist when I was learning to play the guitar. I don't know if it worked, but it certainly didn't hurt.

[Dappleganger]

69. Dammit, now I'm hongry!

[Union Yes]

75. Agree. This thread has made my stomach growl too!

:hippie:

[Maru Kitteh]

89. How on Earth does one exhale foggy "breathe?"

The word is breath.

Breath and breathe. They are not the same word. They have distinct meanings.


Example: I couldn't catch my breath for a while, but after resting I was able to breathe easier.

Breath is what you take.

Breathe is what you do.

[bridgit]

90. Most def - Cannabis-food, for instance

http://cannabis-food.com

[Union Yes]

91. Oh wow. Very cool site.

Thanks for posting that link!

:fistbump:

I just may send an order!

:hippie:

[deaniac21]

92. THC caused me to have my small intestine removed.

[Union Yes]

94. Oh my. Can I ask what happened?

[Dreamer Tatum]

111. Not possible. THC, if anything, should have regrown your intestines. It's a cure-all

Just read some weed threads here. You'll see.

[Union Yes]

113. Noone's saying it's a cure-all. But it is an effective medicine for a whole host of serious ailments

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

136. reduce to absurdity much?

You don't read much, do you?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

120. THC ate my baby!

[deaniac21]

160. I also turned me into a newt.

[awoke_in_2003]

176. "I'm better now"

(John Cleese, The Holy Grail)

[lumberjack_jeff]

162. Short term memory loss. Ain't it a bitch?

"Sure, you can have it. Oh, you meant now."

[deaniac21]

187. I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK.

[Walk away]

99. We used to save our shake and simmer it in butter and water for hours....

then strain out the butter and bake with it. Thc cookies that tasted like grandma's finest with chocolate chips and walnuts. One cookie was just great.

[Union Yes]

100. MMMM I love those cookies!

Thanks for sharing. Cool story.

:hippie:

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

101. I have two secrets for all you edibles fans out there

1. Use coconut oil! It is higher in saturated fat than butter so it extracts THC more effectively. It is also MUCH healthier!

2. Use Soy Lecithin in everything. Lecithin helps your liver metabolize the THC without adding to the fat content of the dish. Adding just a few teaspoons of lecithin (powder or liquid) to every batch of edibles will increase the potency dramatically.

Peace.

[Union Yes]

102. Oh wow. I hope everyone reads this.

Thanks. That's worthy of a bookmark for future reference.

It's also going in my recipe book!

:fistbump:

:hippie:

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

137. my lovely girlfriend runs a medical cannabis bakery

with same name as my DU tag. We live in Denver. One of the great things about Lecithin is that she is able to extract more potent medicine from half a gram than most others get from three times that amount. A full serving of one of her chocolate chip cookies is enough to send you down for a nap in the middle of the day.

I'm about to have one of her triple medicated Big Blossom Cinnamon Rolls for breakfast: medicated dough, cinnamon filling AND medicated icing....oh, man are they good!

Happy medicating, folks. Never forget: Reefer Madness is and always has been nothing but a lie. Cannabis is good for you!

[Union Yes]

103. ^^^^^^^^^^EVERYONE, USEFUL INFO IN REPLY 101 =)^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A little exposure.:rofl:

:hi:

[Mojeoux]

123. It's so true! It's a Fact! A Vegetable oil extracts better from vegetation!

It's science! Biology! Facts!

But with green butter you can smother homemade fresh baked biscuits and then drench on local honey!

I am going to plan a day for that. I just talked myself into it!

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[Union Yes]

124. ..

I'm joining ya!

Brownies mmmmm.

:fistbump:

[lunatica]

138. Your eye catcher worked for me!

For you >

[bridgit]

154. Yep. Lecithin/Soy Lecithin is also able to assist with the maintenance of the nervous system

And of course where claims seem strident, we are all encouraged to perform our own research and weigh proper alternatives

http://www.evenbetternow.com/multiple-sclerosis.asp

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/lecnon.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2109647

[austin78704]

158. Ha!

Pot and "healthy." Funny.

[Mnemosyne]

112. PA doesn't allow vaporizers shipped here, it stinks.

Great info thread, UY! :smoke:

[Union Yes]

114. That's a sucky state law/reg. Sorry to hear that.

Hopefully your state will repeal it someday. There is a lot of positive new info coming out on the health benfits of vaping. Maybe new info will lead your state leaders to open their fucking eyes.

Thanks for the kind words.

:fistbump:

:hippie:

[SeattleGirl]

126. My mom's doc prescribed pot for my mom, in an effort to help

her to eat more. Her illness involved her lungs, so smoking anything wasn't an option. She took THC pills instead. I used to crack up at her, saying, "Well, it's time for me to get high!"

It did help some, I have to say.

[SharonAnn]

145. We got THC pills for my husband while he was on chemo. For nausea and appetite.

Now that he's gone, I'm left with a couple bottles of them.

[reggie the dog]

186. that is so sad

[Imagevision]

132. MJ never needs to be smoked? - I say to each his/her own as do many others!

[Union Yes]

133. Me too. I just want to inform people that it can be taken smoke free.

:fistbump:

[elehhhhna]

134. WTF? Eat the Doritos FIRST??!!!1!

[Union Yes]

175. Everything we've been propagandized to believe turns out to be ass-backwards.

It's mind blowing isn't it?
:rofl:


Kidding, of course.

Who would have ever thought that the proper way is indeed to eat the doritos first!?

:hi:

[NorthCarolina]

135. I just wish I knew where to get some.....

:hippie:

[anachro1]

139. Juuuust Greeeeaat...

Just in time for California's new No Public Smoking law. One of my small pleasures every evening is walking my dog thru Golden Gate park, a full pipe in hand. This being California, will all the hatred against smoking and smokers only apply to tobacco smokers?

Or will the application of this law only be contingent on the views of the asshole complaining about smokers?

[Wizard777]

140. I whole heartedly disagree! Method of introduction is in play with Marijuana.

Marijuana, like other drugs, can have different effects depending upon the method of introduction. Marijuana or the active ingredient THC can be smoked, vaporized, ingested, injected, and even snorted. The effects produced can vary among the different methods of introduction. If you use marijuana to stimulate appetite or suppress nausea. You want to smoke it or use a vaporizer. You would not want to eat it. Marijuana can be heavy on a healthy stomach. Ingesting Marijuana or THC on an upset stomach. Well, you might as well have them drink bong water. But if you are using marijuana for pain relief then you would want to eat it. When you eat marijuana it tend to be more of a bodily buzz (effect.) It's like you can feel it in your muscles. You don't get that with smoking and vaporizing. Also with smoking, vaporizing, injection and snorting the effects are more immediate. They occur within a few second or minutes as opposed to 30-45 minutes with ingestion. So doctors need to be mindful of method of introduction to achieve the desired effect when recommending Marijuana.

[hollowdweller]

141. Recipes

I would never indulge in anything illegal these days but "back in the day" one of my favorite books on it was "The Art And Science of Cooking with Cannabis" by Adam Gottleib.

Two really great recipes in there are the "Marakesh White Cookies" which are sort of a shortbread cookie made with cannabutter and almond extract. If you extract using the water/butter method they turn out tannish if you just put the ganja in the butter they turn out green. Anyway you use almond extract in them and the combo of the ganja taste and the heavy almond taste is heavenly.

Another great recipe in that is a spread using spices, currants walnuts spices and cooked powdered ganja and cannabutter. I remember spreading about 1/4" of it on a mini rice cracker and it's like doing a couple bong hits.

Then there is this other cookbook, I still have it somewhere that had this recipe for "head chocolates" Where you just powder some good bud then cook it w/o butter in the oven and then mix it in a double boiler with chocolate peices and add almond paste and extract and put into molds.

IMO while smoking isn't as dangerous as cigs I always found it cut down on my endurance while hiking or exercising due to the CO and Co2. Not so with eating it.

Also with no smoking regs eating is much better for enjoying a concert. You could eat it half an hour before the show, by the time they came on you were getting off and by the time a double bill show was over you were down and you didn't have to smoke over and over.

I hope the Calif thing passes. If it is taxed and saves the budget the legalization will sweep the nation.

[Jaye52]

142. What a great topic

Hi everyone. I've been a lurker for some time now. I had to register to comment and say thanks to all of you for such an informative topic.

As a disabled person I know the benefits of mj. I can take all the muscle relaxers and pain pills in the world and nothing relieves muscle spasms and pain like mj.

As to the topic, I have been a smoker for 40 yrs. I'm still here with the lung capacity a person my age should have. In my younger days I was a singer (mostly choral, some solo work for weddings etc.)so I know what I am talking about.

I hope to participate in future topic discussions with you. Peace!

[cbayer]

148. Welcome to DU, Jaye 52!

:hi:

[Jaye52]

170. Glad to be here!

Thanks cbayer:hi:

[Union Yes]

173. Welcome to DU Jaye52!

:hi:

Thank you for the informed reply too. Always good to have some personal experience added to any debate.

Coincidence, but it was a weed related thread that first got me to post on DU too. I guees it's destiny! :rofl:

Glad to have ya on DU. I too look forward to many more of these discussions.

Peace to you as well!
UY

:hippie:

[Jaye52]

181. Hello Union Yes

My Dad was a union man and proud of it. He also served in the army during WWII as a medical corpsman who took care of wounded and dying men. I am very proud of him. :patriot:

If Dad was still with us he would be for legalization of mj.

Thanks for the welcome! :)

[Tuesday Afternoon]

143. a joint is soooooooo- old fashioned

I get sentimental for the old ways, sometimes. ;)

[DWilliamsamh]

144. Not for nothing but..."smoking it" isn't the primary objection ....

For the anti-pot crowd. Its the "you get high" part they object to. It's hypocritical as hell as most of them at least drink a beer now and then.

But thanks for the tips. :-)

[bertman]

146. This post may save the lives of MILLIONS who may have gotten lung cancer or emphysema!

:eyes:

Thank you, Union Yes. Recommend.

One more recipe: simmer the leaves and small stalks in butter then enjoy your "green butter".

[asdjrocky]

147. Correct.

It doesn't need to, but it likes too. Just kidding. This is a great post. I still smoke some, I have a tincture that I like to use, and I have a vaporizer.

While I like smoking green, the real benefits are in reduction. Almost 80% of what I grow is reduced to nearly pure THC for hash, kief, baking and oils.

Cannabis is far ahead of the medical community or the people that speak out against it. We've quietly been doing productive research underground for better than 30 years.

Pleas people, don't believe the propaganda.

Great post, K&R!

May I re-post at my site?

[Union Yes]

177. Word!

Yes, by all means you can re-post this anywhere. You have my full permission.:)

I'll be replying to your PM soon too with some more good news!

Talk soon.
UY

:hi:

[Autonomy]

149. Good stuff, thanks

I'm a non-smoker who would consider MJ for medical reasons... if I lived in a Med Mari state. All these pills I am taking are not good for me, and they don't work that well anyway. :(

[Union Yes]

179. Thanks.

My hope is that the referendum in California will pass and have a sweeping 'legalizing' effect across America soon after. As soon as other states see Cali making revenue from taxing it.

Every state is grappling with budget deficits. Cali could set the model for funding schools, roads, tacking state deficits etc.

The timing for legalizing couldn't be more urgent.

Escpecially for med patients like yourself. There is a genuine medical need for this plant.

Thanks for adding to the discussion.
Peace UY

:hi:

[Stuckinthebush]

150. You damn stoners

You do know that MJ will make you go crazy, right? I saw it in a documentary sometime in the 1950s.

Yup.

[A Physicist]

151. Marijuana should be cleared and kept

ah, um, I forgot what I was going to say.

[iamthebandfanman]

152. definitely doesnt need to be

and lord knows i pray every day for legalisation and easier access to smokeless weed...
but at the same time i often wonder if ill have the same kind of withdraws some cigarette smokers go thru... i kinda feel like the act of smoking it and feeling it in ur lungs is an addictive habit in itself..

i know when i stopped smoking cigarettes my smoking of marijuana increased to fill that void of smoke... lol...


im strange tho , so maybe im a rarity.


id love to just be able to take a pill or use an inhaler to get THC...

they wont do it tho, itd be waaay to safe for their liking then.

[ChiciB1]

153. Anyone Here Think The SOUTH Or Semi-South Pass Legal Medicinal

MJ use?? Living in this "zone" keeps people paranoid more than other states, thereby preventing any real "activism" or even home growing!!

It's really the PITS reading all this stuff and KNOWING that my state may be one of the LAST to pass legislation! Of course, I haven't really done any research about how Florida stands at this point in time, but my guess is that the matter hasn't even been entertained!

I'm ALWAYS amazed as to how many people I know who smoke, and who-da thunk it!! And it runs rampant at almost all the schools in my very RED county!! I don't actually smoke, not that I haven't done it a lot when I was younger, it's just that now I FEAR eating too much! I mean I think I would have eaten cardboard back when I was smoking!!

But having taken care of many people who suffer illnesses, I truly believe they could have been helped by it's use! I myself knew 3 people who had brain cancer and died!

[Gman]

156. MJ tastes like crap

I never liked brownies. It just tastes like crap and it's best smoked.

[NikRik]

157. Long overdue for legalazation !!!

Its such a wonder that this change in our law is being so closeley scrutinized ,when its so long overdue in a country that hails freedom as its strong suit ! Iam amazed that the B/S those who oppose this change are spewing from their ignorance of the harmless weed ! What they need to do is smoke a joint or eat a pot laced brownie and then thew have a voice in this law. If they have never even tried this drug how can they pretend to know anything about its effects and just how much less intoxicating it is then drinking and all other drugs. It has never direclty caused the death of even one person. It has many miracle like health applications,I even believe this gift to us from mother nature opens the minds of once stubborn closed minded people ! I expect some just are so brain washed by the "war on drugs" that you can never change their minds.Only after its finally legal and they see others realizing all of the efforts they put into keeping it illegal where truely a waste of time,money and energy. Thru taxation we can fund so many very much needed programs ,job creation ,health care and education can and will benifit from the lifting of the current laws on marriuana ! Wake up,those who oppose what is a no branier change in our law we have wasted so much time with the stupid law that did no more then hurt others and take away our freedom of choice!
Rant over , NikRik

[dhpgetsit]

159. Even if I want to smoke it, why should it be banned?

Nobody ever died of a marijuana overdose, and that is more than you can say for alcohol, aspirin, or pretty much any other drug. Marijuana should be completely legal to grow and possess.

[sam sarrha]

166. because hemp oil as a fuel could free us from foreign oil, Pharma.. it would replace at least 1/4 of...

medications.. most pharmaceuticals are only 4% better than placebo.. but THC's are the real deal, they actually work, but the horrible unacceptable side effect is that it makes you happy and you get real effective insights about the world and the people in it.

the Cotton industry bribes politicians with million$ to keep it off the market, the paper industry gets free trees off public land to make poor quality paper that rots. hemp could produce as much fiber, 3 crops a year, for paper on 20% of the land decimated annually for fiber.. that we need to absorb CO2

it makes sex a spiritual event.

the timber industry hates it, hemp makes the best plywood, by product of processing makes the resigns to bond it into ply sheets and board.. i could go on an on.. just go here

Check out the links at the top of the page too.. i love this guy..

http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html

[undeterred]

163. I hate the smell of it.

[sam sarrha]

164. here is a link.. info.. he also has lots of other information about weed/hemp >Link>>

Check out the links at the top of the page too.. i love this guy..

http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html

[Cronus Protagonist]

165. Let's start expunging ignorance by calling it CANNABIS

Why anyone would use drug war propaganda is beyond me.

[Union Yes]

174. Changing a word that's been propagadized into us is asking an aweful lot of Americans.

Sadly, I'm kinda serious with that reply.

One day, we'll win the war against all of the bullshit that we've been force fed regarding the 'e-e-e-vils' of mary jane.

One day, we'll be able to call it by it's real name.

I agree that the old "Reefer Madness" lingo and propaganda needs to go.

Peace
UY

[Cronus Protagonist]

178. Yeah, I know, but we have to start somewhere!

I call Cannabis "God's Favorite Flowers", myself.

[Union Yes]

180. I like that name!

Peace
UY

[unabelladonna]

169. sounds good to me....

i still can't figure out why it isn't legal.
alcohol is more deadly.

[abelenkpe]

171. Makes a great

addition to Pesto too.

[Union Yes]

172. MMMM I never thought of that. Pesto over some whole wheat noodles is a healthy dish too!

Got me thinkin now! And the tummy is growling too. :rofl:

Your idea sounds very good. I may try it for dinner this evening!

:hippie:

:hi: