Can YOU guess the answer to this week's DU Friday Challenge Question?

[CTyankee]

Study these two paintings, done 150 years apart. What important concept in art is the major difference between the two?

Extra credit and I doff my cap and bow low: titles of the works and their creators.






Good luck!

[gateley]

1. Clothing?

:7:

[randr]

2. Perspective

[CTyankee]

4. be more specific, please...

[Mother Smuckers]

5. I guess you're right, the bottom one doesn't seem to have a vanishing point...but then it doesn't

really need one...

:D

[CTyankee]

9. You used the magic words "vanishing point," but can you be even MORE specific?

That is, what kind of vanishing point?

[Mother Smuckers]

12. Oboy, it's been so long........is it a 'virtual' one?

Hadn't thought of that stuff since 5th grade art class, circa 1953.
:-)

[PCIntern]

15. It's a 'vaginal one'...

[CTyankee]

17. well, think in terms of "precision." And this would probably not be taught in 5th grade.

[CTyankee]

63. "We were thinking of LINEAR perspective here" as Alex Tribec would say!

I know, I know, that gets down tot he nitty gritty...but there IS such a thing as FIGURAL perspective (a later phenomenom).

[virgogal]

3. Order vs. chaos?

[CTyankee]

7. It is actually that, too, if you consider the two different periods in art that they represent.

So your statement is true. Do you know the artists?

[virgogal]

8. Haven't a clue about the artists,but I'll be following this thread.

[The Straight Story]

6. More clothing in the first one. Didn't they have pampers back in the day? (nt)

[CTyankee]

13. That is a great answer. Why is it that people are so fully garbed in the

first painting and so naked in the second? Extra, extra credit with sprinkles...

[The Straight Story]

16. All I got is this:

http://www.christian-travelers-guides.com/culture/cpnea.html

A CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE ON NUDITY IN EUROPEAN ART

(had to google it, I am a computer geek not an art one).

[CTyankee]

23. That is an interesting take on nudity in European art, one I had not read before!

The fact is that in the intervening years between the painting of these two works there was a renewed interest in classical (meaning mostly Greek) art so slowly the nude body started appearing in works such as the second one. The explanation by the church seemed to be that the ancient Greeks may have been on to something in their aesthetic of beauty, but they just weren't evolved enough (Christ had not come into the world) to grasp the true nature of the beauty...

[Sal Minella]

10. Foreshortening?

?Fra Angelico? and ?early Rubens?

[CTyankee]

14. Right era (in fact, right century but wrong artist), wrong period and artist

in the second...

[WCGreen]

20. Michael Angelo...

For the one that has the woman looking like a man with breasts...

[CTyankee]

24. pretty close!

[RagAss]

11. Man as animal.

[WCGreen]

18. It's very clear...

The gravity machine was invented for the first picture and in the second, they turned it off...

[CTyankee]

25. That is another great insight! It is one reason so many people DON'T like

the art style in the second painting. Why do you think everything was so normal in the first one and so crazy in the second one?

[WCGreen]

61. I think the second was painted with more turmoil surrounding

Italy. A lot of the city states were at each others throats. I believe, if I remember my history of civ from way back in the 70's, the turmoil set the artistic mind free...

[CTyankee]

65. The second represented the uncertain nature of the times in the Mannerist period.

But there had been many wars between the city states during the Early Renaissance, when the first painting was done (also outbreaks of plague). My "guess" is that the Protestant Reformation had something to do to shake the faith of the Catholic Church in Italy...the religious wars certainly would be a factor, albeit not really between city states in Italy. And the discovery of perspective in art frightened some people...the vanishing point was scary and freaked people out. So it was abandoned by the Mannerists.

[Sal Minella]

67. I really like this answer.

It should win in a special category, imo.

[WilliamPitt]

19. Pubic hair?

[CTyankee]

27. Actually, pubic hair (in females) didn't really make its appearance

until later. If you look closely to Michelangelo's David you can kinda see it, but not with female figures...

[WilliamPitt]

34. The 70s, right?

I read The Joy Of Sex. Nobody seemed to know about razors until Reagan came along. ;)

[CTyankee]

48. No, I think I read that the first nudes (women) with pubic hair appeared in

the 1700's. And it was pretty scandalous at the time. I really don't understand it, do you?

[blogslut]

21. I'll take a lousy guess

The top painting is from the Renaissance period and the second is from the Baroque?

[CTyankee]

29. Yes, the top painting is Renaissance. The second is not Baroque.

[blogslut]

30. Well, it was a guess

Rococo then?

[CTyankee]

32. wrong direction timewise...

[blogslut]

35. LOL

Well, I was just going by the the fanciful nature of the second painting. I'll stop guessing because my knowledge of artistic periods is minimal.

[CTyankee]

37. You are so right about the fanciful nature of the second painting...

you gotta wonder "wha happened?"

[blogslut]

41. Ha!

I know the artist of the second painting. Mind you, I found it by reading the Wikipedia article on the period that preceded the Baroque. However, I wouldn't have thought to click on this artist were it not for the film Cat Ballou. I totally remember the scene in the fancy train car when Fonda's character makes a remark about the ceiling frescoes: "Oh, it's swell. A regular Tintoretto!"

[CTyankee]

45. Brava, blogslut! It IS Tintoretto!

And the period of art is?

[blogslut]

47. Mannerism!

:)

[CTyankee]

56. Perfecto!

Altho, "some" art historians would place Tintoretto in the High Renaissance period, along with Michelangelo. So there is disagreement. I personally think it is Mannerism and even Michelangelo veered into Mannerism in his later works. All this angst, flying into space seemingly uncontrolled seemed to be an aspect of the times in which the artists lived. Perhaps they were no longer certain of things the way the Renaissance artists seemed to be...

[blogslut]

60. I can dig it

I do love looking at history through art and design as opposed to plain old boring dates and facts.

Like, knowing what made Whistler such a revolutionary artist wasn't that darned painting of the old lady in the chair but the fact that he chose to paint ordinary people as opposed to royalty and upper class types.

:)

[Bluebear]

22. Chiaroscuro.

It's the only art term I know, so that's about the end of my guessing.

[KansDem]

26. Defamiliarization?

What do the birds and insect have to do in the second painting? Not to mention the subjects appear to be floating...

I believe "defamiliarization" first appeared in the literary work of Samuel Taylor Coleridge, but can be found in art as "old, familiar objects are placed in new, and newly illuminating situations."

American artist Donald Roller Wilson has done this:


Not to mention the music of Charles Ives, and to some extent, Gustav Mahler.

[Speck Tater]

28. OMG!!! You showed BOOBS! Now there's gonna be earthquakes!! nt.

[CTyankee]

31. There's actually breast milk but it's hard to see...we could start a flame thread

on DU about it!

[Rex]

33. Eastern vs. Western styles.

Would be my guess. Have no idea who did them.

[Bluebear]

36. Truthfully that is very observant!

:applause:

[Rex]

38. I'm thinking very Greek Orthadox top painting and

something like Michelangelo's Fresco of the Last Judgement, bottom. What do I win!?! :)

[CTyankee]

42. No to the first answer. In the second one, you are edging nearer and nearer

to the right answer, but wrong artist...you've got the art period nailed in the second one...very good!

[CTyankee]

39. You know, it could be, in the first painting. But both were painted by artists in the same

European country...

[SidDithers]

40. Masolino da Panicale "St. Peter Healing a Cripple and the Raising of Tabitha"...

is the first one.

I know zero about art, but I'm really good at Google.

Sid

Edit: I should at least put in his full name :)

[CTyankee]

43. Tell me how you can Google THAT?

[SidDithers]

44. Can't give away my secrets...

I'm working on the second one :)

Sid

[blogslut]

46. Too late

See post #41

I didn't reveal the name of the painting but I got the artist right. :)

[SidDithers]

Yup, full credit to you in my post below...

well done :)

Sid

[Rex]

53. POWERS...

they have them.

[SidDithers]

49. Tintoretto, "The Origin of the Milky Way"...

but only because blogslut got the artist upthread.

Sid

[blogslut]

55. And it's all because of Jane Fonda!

Cat Ballou
Cat Ballou-oo-oo
Her name was Cat Ballou!

[SidDithers]

62. It's funny what a memory will trigger...

well done :hi:

Sid

[LearnedHand]

50. K&R for an EXCELLENT and intriguing post!

:thumbsup:

[SidDithers]

52. CTyankee's Friday Afternoon Challenges are always fantastic...nt

Sid

[CTyankee]

57. I'll stump you yet, Sid Dithers!

How many have you "gotten" so far?

[SidDithers]

58. Only a couple so far...

but I love trying.

Sid

[The Straight Story]

51. Islam in one, Christianity in the other

:evilgrin:

[Duer 157099]

54. 1) the invention of Blue paint and

2) 3D depiction of human bodies and 3) something about the use of living objects relative to architecture

edit to say: that should read: living *subjects* relative to architectural *objects*

I fondly remember the art history courses I took in college. I don't remember the content, just that it was so fun learning how to look at art from all the ages. How many kids today will ever do that? I mean besides art majors (I was a science major)?

[CTyankee]

59. You COULD say that color is a major difference also. Tintoretto was a Venetian

artist and "colorito" was a major difference between it and the art of Florence "disegno" (from Leonardo's dictum on drawing before painting). But there are vivid blues in so many quattrocento paintings...particularly Fra Angelico and Fra Felippo Lippi.

[damntexdem]

64. Yes, I can guess.

Untutored guess, most-likely wrong -- but it IS possible for me to guess.

So, my guess: the concept of antigravity. It obviously reigns in the second.

;-)

[CTyankee]

66. A great guess....I think you may be onto something important here.

Figures appear to float in space in a kind of random fashion. It must reflect the angst of the time...nothing is certain any more, not even gravity...