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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:28 PM
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The Gulf Disaster = Who Knew What When? Firedoglake
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 07:29 PM by IndianaJoe
<http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/44259>

Here’s a back-of-the-envelope outline of the story as it has unfolded to the public and what it tells us:

1. A huge explosion occurred eleven days ago, creating a fireball on the platform that burned for days. The size of the fireball and the fact it wasn’t burning out suggested large quantities of fuel.

2. From the beginning, there were two possible sources for the fuel. a) On deck storage of diesel fuel used by the platform and b) oil/gas coming from the well through the connecting riser pipe.

3. From the beginning, BP and the Coast Guard told us there were no "spills."

4. After days with the platform engulfed by a huge fireball, the answer seemed to shift to the well as a continuing source of fuel for the fire. That suggested further that whatever mechanisms the platform had for sealing off the well, and the source of the fuel, were not functioning, and

5. Since the safety valves were not functioning, that meant the operators knew they were facing the risk of an extended period in which oil/gas would continue to gush up the well, through the pipe and out the platform. At that point, the risk of a massive, uncontrolled gush of oil into the Gulf should have been apparent.

6. Given this likely knowledge, the moment the platform collapsed and sank, they would have known that there existed a huge risk that the pipe would rupture from the platform, and that the oil would begin to gush, out of control, from breaks in the riser pipe.

All of this would have been known by BP and should have been guessed by the Coast Guard/and regulators, and yet the story at the time was that there were no spills; when the "leaks" were reported, they were cast as a surprise when the oil was first reported on the ocean surface.

7. Now we’re told that in the normal, no-accident, situation some oil and/or gas always escapes from the moment the drilling pierces into the oil/gas pool, and that there is always a gap between the pipe inserted into the drilled hole and the pipe. We learn the oil/gas will escape through that gap, into the ocean, until the gap is sealed by a process of pumping cement down the pipe, out the bottom to plug the gap. In other words normal off-shore drilling operations always involve unreported leaks of oil/gas into the water.

8. Enter Halliburton. It’s job, worldwide, is to plug the gap between drill hole and pipe to stop the leakage, and to partially close the hole to allow more control over the pressure from oil/gas trying to escape up the pipe. If it doesn’t do this well, the pressure can cause a dangerous surge, and because the gas is highly flammable, there is a danger of a blowout and explosion when the escaping gas/oil reaches the platform.

9. This happened recently in Australia, where a rig also being sealed by Halliburton blew up and was destroyed, while millions of gallons of oil gushed into the ocean. This may not be a rare occurrence; blowouts do occur; we just don’t hear about them except when the explosions are large and easily detected.

A 2007 study by three U.S. Minerals Management Service officials found that cementing was a factor in 18 of 39 well blowouts in the Gulf of Mexico over a 14-year period. That was the single largest factor, ahead of equipment failure and pipe failure.

10. We don’t know what caused this blowout and explosion. But it’s now clear that those who are responsible did not reveal what they knew and are probably still withholding critical information from the public. Information about the potential risks is vital to government responders and affected communities, but as is often the case, it only trickles out when it’s obvious, after we’ve lost critical time in getting ready. Whether the industry is still withholding vital information from the authorities trying to plan for what’s becoming one of the worst environmental disasters in US history, we do not know.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:32 PM
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1. Criminal negligence...just like the coalmine disasters. They put profit over safety..even if it
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 07:33 PM by BrklynLiberal
cost lives.

They just figured they would keep going and see how long they could get away with it.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:32 PM
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2. K&R. thanks for posting. nt
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:42 PM
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3. No one could have predicted this
- Condoleezza Rice
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:43 PM
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4. Does somebody pay high school kids to unrec every thread?
Unrec this? Seriously?
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luckyleftyme2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:53 PM
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6. you nailed it
the first thing they do is damage control thru media outlets- it is obvious they haven't a clue-it's obvious this has happened before!
use your computer and send your post to each forum that has pushed drill baby drill!
NOW THEY WILL TRY TO BLAME OBAMA-HE IS DOING THE RIGHT THING BY STOPPING ANY NEW DRILL RIGS WHERE EVER HE CAN!
USE YOUR PUTER AND YOU WILL FIND OUT THEIR ARE APROX. 1.92 OIL RIG FIRES OR EXPLOSIONS WORLDWIDE MONTHLY!
THE RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS ARE TRYING TO AVOID THIS BY FLOODING THE BLOGS WITH THE IMMIGRATION LAW PASSED IN ARIZ. FLOOD THOSE FORUMS WITH DRILL BABY DRILL!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:11 PM
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26. Someone on firedoglake once expressed disagreement with the president
over something or other.

Therefore everyone associated with that site is an enemy of the people.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 04:00 PM
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42. No, it's folks
over at Heritage Foundation being paid $12/hour. That's my theory. And they're grown adults...not teenagers.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 07:46 PM
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5. You can bet that the logging station has been put under lock and
key for now, no question about it.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:03 PM
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7. "the drilling pierces into the oil/gas pool" ?!?!?!?
I'm sorry, I know the article is well intentioned, but a complete lack of even rudimentary understanding of what you are attempting to write about undermines everything else there. And of course there's a gap between the wellbore and the drill string....it's filled with drilling mud, which is controlled to exert an ECD (equivalent circulating density) equal to that of the pressure of hydrocarbon fluids in the formation you are drilling when the mud pumps are on. All this in a rush to condemn the cement job, just because it was performed by Halliburton. I think when the truth outs, that it's going to be a well control issue placed squarely on BP.
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:10 PM
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8. Sounds like you know a lot about drilling!
When you say it's a "well control issue" what do you mean exactly? I'm trying to figure out what happened.

BTW, there's a Wikipedia site giving a pretty good timeline on the news coming out about the explosion and ensuing spill here:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_drilling_rig_explosion>
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:16 PM
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10. There are various persons on a rig
with an IADC well control certification, meaning they are trained to control the well. It would be their decision to function the BOPs if the need arises. I know a bit about drilling, I've been a wellsite geologist for 7 years, and am currently working a rig approximately 17 miles from the site of the Deepwater Horizon. We might be tripping out drill pipe and leaving location as the winds change more southerly this coming week. I had a helicopter flight over the slick yesterday. It is not good.
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:25 PM
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13. BOPs? What are they?
Great that you're here. It's an asset to hear from someone knowledgeable about this stuff. Do you know anything about the malfunction of a shut-off valve? I've read some posts asserting that that is part of the problem, but confessedly its kind of technical and I'm not sure I'm understanding it.
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:36 PM
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14. Ah...BOP = "Blowout Preventer"
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/oil-spill-debacle-points-to-rig-blowout-preventer-as-utter-failure/19461009]

A "blowout preventer":

"A large valve at the top of a well that may be closed if the drilling crew loses control of formation fluids. By closing this valve (usually operated remotely via hydraulic actuators), the drilling crew usually regains control of the reservoir, and procedures can then be initiated to increase the mud density until it is possible to open the BOP and retain pressure control of the formation. BOPs come in a variety of styles, sizes and pressure ratings. Some can effectively close over an open wellbore, some are designed to seal around tubular components in the well (drillpipe, casing or tubing) and others are fitted with hardened steel shearing surfaces that can actually cut through drillpipe. Since BOPs are critically important to the safety of the crew, the rig and the wellbore itself, BOPs are inspected, tested and refurbished at regular intervals determined by a combination of risk assessment, local practice, well type and legal requirements. BOP tests vary from daily function testing on critical wells to monthly or less frequent testing on wells thought to have low probability of well control problems."

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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:15 PM
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9. I'm curious about the safety valves not functioning....
Are they always monitored? If so, will we be able to determine if they were not functioning prior to the blast, or as a result of it? Or even been a catalyst somehow?

If such a malfunction was known and ignored, well then, I believe my head will most definitely explode.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:17 PM
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11. Nobody has said the BOPs didn't function.
I suspect that they weren't used.
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:37 PM
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15. I was referring to a quote in the OP, "Since the safety valves were not functioning,"
hence my assumption. Either way, if there was knowledge that they were simply not used - or malfunctioning and not used - prior to the blast, doesn't really matter,

My curiosity is in determining when there was knowledge about the valves, and whether it was prior to the blast, damaged by the blast or was a factor in causing the blast.

I'm wondering about that, seems to me that might be significant. That said, I know nothing about drilling at all, so I could be way off base... : )
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:43 PM
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16. I'm like you...curious. Here's stuff about BOPs
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 08:45 PM by IndianaJoe
<http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/oil-spill-debacle-points-to-rig-blowout-preventer-as-utter-failure/19461009>

And this article says that the BOPs apparently didn't function. And that this was a big reason for the problem.
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:01 PM
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20. Thank you for the link... unfortunately, it just makes me more mad. : )

I'm not heartened by the lengthy description that seems to indicate the BOP quality or the integrity of it's manufacturer were above question.

Even so, mistakes do happen. But there are supposed to be measures in place in the event that normal safety measures don't work. You'd think it'd be required given the potential for disaster...

I keep imagining (don't laugh at me - okay, go ahead) large, empty tankers with powerful pumps - or even just one - within range in the event of a spill. Go back to shore, have another suck up the spill and so on for as long as it takes. Even if not perfect and oil is released onto the water, some sort of contingency (not to mention saving their product) ought to be right there, at the ready. Something (less simplistic, of course) but something.... right?

Ugh.
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:06 PM
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23. Sounds right to me. But I still don't understand this.
For starters, I don't know if Kennedy's acoustic device is the same thing as a BOP or whether it's some sort of backup safety thingamajig.

I also don't know if the BOP malfunctioned and that caused the problem or whether something else happened.

I also don't know if Halliburton's concrete work had something to do with it.

It's all kind of confusing. I guess I'll have to wait for answers.

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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:49 PM
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18. BOPs are inspected, and records kept
every two weeks in the GOM; it's MMS regulation. Also, BOPs are tested at the commencement of every new casing run as well. It's likely those BOPs were tested over a dozen times over the course of drilling that well.
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:59 PM
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19. So when you said earlier that you suspected the BOPs
weren't used, did you mean that, despite prior inspections, they didn't work or that they weren't activated or installed? I'm kind of confused on this point.
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:03 PM
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21. I thought you said you didn't think they were used....! I'm more confused than you are,
I'm sure. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm trying to figure this out (hypothetically) anyway...
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:05 PM
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22. Sorry - I got mixed up - you didn't make that comment... : ) nt
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:08 PM
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24. Right, I think TransitJohn said that.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:08 PM
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25. I mean that I don't think that they were operated by the people whose responsibility it was
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 09:10 PM by TransitJohn
and that the lives lost are on the heads of the OIM and company man. From what I hear, they got to shore safely. :eyes:
Edit: spelling
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:15 PM
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27. So the wrong people were trying to operate the BOPs?
OIM = Offshore Installation Manager. Are you saying that in the rush to get off the rig after the explosion, the guy that was responsible for operating the BOP fled the rig leaving untrained people to try to activate it? But I thought the BOP was supposed to operate automatically. Or do I have this wrong?

BTW, I appreciate your taking the time to explain this to me.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:21 PM
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29. There was nobody left to activate it as they
were either burned up, hurled to sea badly maimed, trying desperately to make it to a lifeboat through the blinding and choking smoke, or jumping into the sea. But yeah, the OIM made it safely to shore. Both he and the company man have access to the BOP controls right in the control room adjacent to their cabins on the upper decks.
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:23 PM
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31. Hmmm...OK...I'm with you now.
But do the BOPs have to be activated manually? There's no automatic activation in the event of an explosion?
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:25 PM
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32. Correct, manual activation.
That's why it is necessary to have an IADC well control certification to be a driller, toolpusher, company man, or OIM.
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:28 PM
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33. Wow! I get you.
But it seems like there should have been some sort of automatic triggering mechanism to activate the BOP in the event of an explosion or similar emergency in case the OIM can't make it to the control room.

Also, is the acoustic mechanism Kennedy was describing something different than a BOP?
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:32 PM
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34. I've only worked offshore
off Louisiana, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, and Trinidad and Tobago, and none of those jurisdictions have those. I think that those are remote triggers that can activate the BOPs. I'd imagine those are only required in the North Sea (Europe takes labor and environmental regulations seriously) and possibly off Australia.
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:35 PM
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35. What you said above makes sense to me now.
Kennedy also said in his interview that the acoustic devices were used in the North Sea, I think, but that the Bush Administration did not require them to be installed in the Gulf.
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:44 PM
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36. What you said jibes with this:
<http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article213497.ece>

"BP chief operating officer Doug Suttles said interviews with Transocean workers on the rig revealed crewmembers tried to activate the BOP from the rig's bridge before the fire forced them to evacuate, but the BOP did not close off the well."
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-10 02:46 PM
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43. Can you tell us this, pls:
I read that the rig was not required to have USA inspectors, because it was not an
American rig.
Does that sound like a valid statement to you?
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:19 PM
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28. wonder if they know how long it takes for the pressure to build up to the point of
an explosive blowout.

If the BOP is the one (or at least primary) relief mechanism for such an emergency, every 2 weeks doesn't seem adequate, unless they're using other monitoring measures - but wait - even still - don't they HAVE to know the BOPs are functioning all_the_time? Not on off weeks, I guess.

That doesn't seem like it would make much sense...
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 09:23 PM
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30. Formation pressure doesn't build up over the course of drilling a well, it's constant.
It builds up over geologic time. Drilling is performed 'in balance' to the hydrostatic head pressure of the well.
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:21 PM
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12. I'd like to know more about the shut-off valve too.
Edited on Fri Apr-30-10 08:29 PM by IndianaJoe
Robert Kennedy, Jr. made a statement taking the Bush Administration and BP to task about not having an "acoustic shut-off valve" on the rig. I've read elsewhere that the rig should have had a shut-off valve which, in the event of an explosion, should have been automatically triggered to a "default off" position that, basically, meant that when the explosion cut off the flow of electricity to the valve, the valve would then "default" to a position that would stop oil from pumping out of the drillhole. I hope I've explained that correctly, but I'm just repeating what I understood to be the gist of the article I read.
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 08:48 PM
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17. Thank you! : ). I don't understand how this drilling could operate for a
minute without such mechanisms, with close and frequent monitoring, drills and required documentation proving all safety measures are fully functional...

...even with prevention and safety measures, bad things can happen, so my next question is how/why could they be allowed to function for a minute without required equipment and trained manpower that would be immediately deployed so that a massive accident is at least lessened and a national disaster prevented.

From what I can tell, BP seems to be the unsupervised kid who got hold of some matches and is sitting on the grass watching the firemen try to save his family's house from being burned to the ground. And the kid says "well, I had the watering can, at least!" Not a great analogy, but... something like that...
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kiers Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 10:15 PM
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37. Excellent explanation here
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-10 11:06 PM
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38. K&R
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 11:05 AM
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39. K & R. n/t
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 11:15 AM
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40. On MSNBC yesterday a guest said that the USA doesn't require the same
safety mechanisms as they use in elsewhere and this lifting of the requirement was championed by Cheney / Bush. He said otherwise this would have prevented further spill, but the company preferred to save a million on installment given the choice in our "FREE" country.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-01-10 02:55 PM
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41. K & R & Bookmarked. nt
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