MSNBC WENT THERE... this was the product of extremist, internal

[nadinbrzezinski]

terror...

WOW.

This is why this is amateur hour.

I happen to agree with their analyst by the way... this reeks of somebody who has no fucking clue (thankfully) of what they are doing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/nyregion/02timessquare.html?hp

for those who don't know about this.. .MSNBC is covering live

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. What?

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Yeah their analyst said that he thought

it was internal... an extremist group

[The Magistrate]

3. Offering No More Than Seven For Six, Ma'am, He is Correct

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Ok there are alarms going inside my head

about what Williams just said... empty metal box... no idea how this works exactly...

Looks like a badly executed probe...

SHIT!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. What analyst? What is this about?

You've lost me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. New York Times Square was evacuated

due to bomb threat

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/nyregion/02timessquare.html?hp

And they have been updating almost by the minute too

[Maru Kitteh]

7. What are you talking about?

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. here

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/nyregion/02timessquare.html?hp

[ChicagoSuz219]

5. What are you talking about??? n/t

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

6. What are you referring to?

I missed the memo :)

[spanone]

15. here...Police Find Explosives in an S.U.V. in Times Square

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/nyregion/02timessquare.html?ref=global-home

[madokie]

8. being egged on by the likes of our hatemongers

[mucifer]

9. that was a cryptic post. Some of us don't have cable tv. What are you talking about?

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Here

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/nyregion/02timessquare.html?hp

[glinda]

11. Are you referring to the oil fiasco? Please explain...

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Here

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/nyregion/02timessquare.html?hp

[csziggy]

19. Suspected bomb in Times Square

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4364488

[glinda]

30. 'spect we will be seeing more and more of this freeper shit

[rug]

13. From the looks of his fumbled bomb, he probably went into the subway and ended up in New Jersey.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Probably but will be arrested soon

[Raine1967]

17. OP is talking about NYC Times Square being evacuated.

This is a good rundown of what is happening.

http://trueslant.com/level/2010/05/01/nypd-evacuates-times-square-in-new-york-city-over-bomb-scare/

NYPD don;t often go to this length unless it is a serious threat. Looks like a bullet was bitten thanks to vigilant people.

[The Magistrate]

25. Much Appreciated, Ma'am: Nice To Have It All In One Place

A degree of contradiction is to be expected at this stage; things will shake out.

This is worth a thread of its own, it seems to me.

[Cheap_Trick]

21. What's his Freeper name?

And how long until rimjob scrubs his existence from their pathetic site?

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Alas we don't have a name yet

but I am betting JimRob will scrub ASAP

[Cheap_Trick]

23. He's in a full on Mt. Dew and cheeto fueled panic right now.

Defcon fucking ONE!

[Warpy]

28. it's nice when somebody on the air agrees with me

because I've already posted this isn't al Qaeda, those boys stay in the car to make sure the thing detonates properly.

The only thing that remains to be seen is what fringe haters he listens to on his AM radio.

Whoever it is, he's none too bright on a lot of levels.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Well it was strange, because they went there

and then have backed pedaled it, by going into Al Qaida and drone and all that.

I suspect that once they find out it is a local one... they will down play it, and in REALLY DOWN PLAY IT.

Oh and it is still very much a hot scene

[leftynyc]

96. Downplay an almost car bomb

set to explode in Times Square on a Saturday night? That's going to be tough to do. The thought of that thing going off makes my blood turn cold. Just the pictures of Times Square with no people is creepy. Kudos to the vendor who notified the police.

[WCGreen]

24. You can disrupt without destroying...

I smell all sorts of wierd things about this...

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Plates don't match... LOL

if they did I'd be shocked

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

27. Somebody decided to follow Ann Coulter's advice on how Timothy McVeigh was wrong? -nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. There are things about this that are shall we say strange

that said... if this was a probe, you might be right...

Damn this is a pain to see and try to read in between damn lines.

[SnakeEyes]

31. Just because it failed...

Doesn't mean it's amateur hour... It just means someone might have been human and messed up or parts failed.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. I have no such confidence on things like that

[HipChick]

34. I'm not buying that...

Growing up in London, car bombs were no joke...everything of this smacks of amateur hour..

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. I know it does.

I was once THIS CLOSE to a C-4 car bomb... the only reason why it failed, was not that it was amateur... but that when the bullet took the driver out... for some reason his finger did not press the dead man switch... and I remembered the DON'T USE A RADIO near this fucker.

The problem here is that many people in the US cannot believe we are sinking into this as a nation.

Oh and that one, took the bomb experts 23 hours to make it safe.

[HipChick]

41. this is going to be bad for NYC...

Security is going to get hyped up..

I can't even get a parking space in TS...how the hell does someone manage to park a SUV for any length of time there...

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. No shit, and my poor parents fly on Tuesday

that should be fun...

[unc70]

45. The propane & gasoline in cars design was used several times in UK

This is similar to the design used outside the nightclubs a few years back. Maybe in that weird incident at one of the Scotish airports.

[The Magistrate]

50. They Stuck With the Bomb in Scotland, Sir

This was someone who wanted to live....

[SnakeEyes]

66. Or they expected something different

And fled when it failed.

[Kievan Rus]

94. And this is why I think this isn't the work of Jihadists

I agree with other posters and think it's a wingnut.

[The Magistrate]

102. It Seems To Me The Most Probable Culprit, Sir, On the Available Information

Obviously, most probable is short of certainty, or proved, and the assessment could change as more information comes to light.

[HipChick]

51. by who?..not the IRA...

They almost got Thatcher..sitting on the loo..

[HughMoran]

52. was incendiary, not explosive

So, it may very well have been amateur hour.

[SnakeEyes]

67. Unclear right now

[The Magistrate]

70. Try, Sir, To Keep Up....

'“It appears to be a car bomb left in a Pathfinder between Seventh and Eighth,” said Deputy Commissioner Paul J. Browne, the Police Department’s chief spokesman.

The device, he said, contained “explosive elements” that included “propane tanks, some kind of powder, gasoline and a timing device.”

“This is very much an active investigation,” he said.

The device was discovered by a mounted police officer who saw a box with smoke pouring from it in the back of the Pathfinder, Mr. Browne said. The officer called for backup, and the Fire Department and bomb squad.'

That is a description of an incendiary device, with a small amount of explosive 'oomph' to scatter the flammables out into a respectable pool of flame.

[SnakeEyes]

79. "sir" that is your opinion

And not the statement or confirmation of anyone in authority or expertise at this time.

[The Magistrate]

83. No, Sir, It Is Knowledge Enough To Understand the Statements Of the Police Spokesman

[SnakeEyes]

88. You can claim that all you like, "sir"

But it's still your opinion, your speculative assesment, until someone in authority or expertise confirms this.

[The Magistrate]

90. If You Are Going To Ignore Me, Sir, Ignore Me: You have Certainly Failed To Refute Me

What the police spokesperson described is an incendiary device, loosely similar to a fougasse, which operates on the basic principle that a small propelling charge spreads a quantity of inflammables quickly to some distance from the device itself. This is pretty basic stuff....

[SnakeEyes]

95. Again, that is still your assessment "sir"

I'll wait for definitive statements from credible autoritatibe sources rather than some guy on the Internet, "sir".

[The Magistrate]

98. You Keep Saying You Are Going To Ignore Me, Sir: Think What Each Reply Does To Your Credibility....

"For the Snark was a Boojum, you see...."

[aquart]

104. Between 7th & 8th ain't Times Sq. It's Theatre District. It's "Broadway".

The picture looks like it's at the recruiting center in Times Square which is Broadway and 7th. If it was between 7th and 8th, I'd be asking if it was parked in Shubert Alley.

[HughMoran]

106. Another account suggesting it was incendiary

12:16 pm – WABC adds more details:

Sources told Eyewitness News that the vehicle contained gasoline, propane and possibly gun powder. Incindiary devices are not explosive devices, but are lethal.

According to ABC News, inside the Nissan Pathfinder police found: Three propane cylinders, two five gallon jerry cans of gasoline, a canister of powder, electrical components and an alarm clock.

Police at the scene said, “It’s the real deal.”

The distinction between an ‘incendiary device’ and an explosive is an important one in explaining how sophisticated this was. It makes it sound more like the act of a crank and less like the act of a dedicated terrorist cell with bomb training.

[obxhead]

36. Shocked, absolutely and completely shocked.

MSNBC interrupted a rerun of a prison show to bring us news. Very interesting.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. While CNN hasn't

this is major...

[csziggy]

40. CNN was covering it but cut to go back to Larry King

On the other hand they continued coverage for their international viewers, according to what they said.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Becuse this is not a national story

I know...

:sarcasm:

[The Magistrate]

47. True, Ma'am: What Has a Bomb in New York City To Do With the Heartland, With REAL America?

[csziggy]

62. Just international - WTF? n/t

[obxhead]

46. Guess they couldn't wake up ol Wolfie.

Should be interesting to see this story develop....

[HipChick]

49. all the talking heads are at the DC after parties..

[Hannah Bell]

37. terah-terah-terah all the time we got your terah right here folks

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. "if this device was working..."

Why is it that I don't like that statement?

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. Ah this has gone all the way to POTUS

Not shocked... but this raises the stakes.

[HipChick]

48. I was watching the White House Correspondence dinner..looks like h got updated on the situation a

a few times...wondering whether that was why he was toned down.

[HipChick]

53. UPDATE: Crude car bomb?..Home grown extremist...MSNBC are running with it...

[csziggy]

54. Yes, NYPD is calling it that.

Press conference about 2 AM

[HipChick]

55. I feel bad for the tourists that cannot get back into their hotel rooms

[csziggy]

57. Don't the hotels have back doors so they could at least get off the streets?

Or is there too much chance of damages inside the buildings?

[HipChick]

59. I guess they have to secure the area..never know if there are second vehicles

[blogslut]

56. I am very glad the car did not blow up

And and I am quite thankful it will (hopefully) lead law enforcement to the person(s) responsible.

Damn these stupid people that do this kind of shit. Damn them into the burning fires of hell.

[lib_wit_it]

58. Probably some stupid f*#king Tea bagger thought the Zorrespondents' Dinner was in NYC. Sorry to

accuse so readily, but this is where these "parties" are taking us. Talk about your poor losers!

[SnakeEyes]

60. Just because the guy fled...

Doesn't mean we can rule out AQ. If the person knew the bomb failed they'd flee.

[HipChick]

61. Alex..for $500 I'm going with

Tea bagger...R/W extremist..

fled trying to get back to moms basement..

[SnakeEyes]

63. Entirely speculative

It also doesn't fit the profile. Right wingers target federal targets, governmental personal, police etc

[The Magistrate]

65. Your Faith Is Touching, Sir

[SnakeEyes]

69. Faith? No

I just don't jump to conclusions

[The Magistrate]

71. Faith, Yes, Sir: That U.S. Rightists Stick To a Geneva Convention-Style Rule Of Engagement

That, Sir, is one Hell of a leap....

[renko]

73. I thought Teabaggers too -but why

Teabaggers are nutz, but this just doesn't track.

[The Magistrate]

74. There Is A Core Of Militia Types Within That Scrum, Sir

Perhaps the revolution is at hand, at least in a fevered handful of minds....

[SnakeEyes]

76. Nice strawman.

Not what I said. Please respond to the point made next time.

[The Magistrate]

80. Chanting 'Strawman' Will Not Help You, Sir: It is Not A Magic Incantation

My comment is a fair distillate of what you attempted to press as a point: if you do not like the look of it when it is presented in sharp focus, do a better job of thinking through what you try and press next time..

[SnakeEyes]

84. Not magic, just acurate.

When you can respond to my point instead if your distortion then please respond. Otherwise I'm just going to ignore you.

[The Magistrate]

86. Be My Guest, Sir

Slicing up those who cannot or will not defend themselves has never troubled my sleep.

[SnakeEyes]

89. That's why I just ignore those that cannot or don't, "sir"

[The Magistrate]

93. Then Do It, Sir

"The bleatin' o' the kid incites the Tiger."

[SnakeEyes]

97. Ok "sir"

[The Magistrate]

99. Hold On, Sir: Take It One Day At a Time....

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

109. Let me see if I get this straight.

- Person speculates (rationally) that evil act might have been committed by teabaggers.
- You don't like that.

What conclusions can one draw from that?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

110. Aw, Mag, have some pity of the guy.

If a political group towards which I have sympathies was the most likely suspect of a terrorism act I'd be flailing in denial-y anger too.

Well, maybe not. Maybe I'd assess the probabilities correctly and keep my trap shut. But then again, how many left-wing terrorism has there been in the last 20 years?

[uppityperson]

111. you don't jump to conclusions? Oh. Kay.

"Right wingers target federal targets, governmental personal, police etc "

[haele]

77. Depends on the right-winger - Times Square could be "Sodom" to them

The location of an event to "make the statement" will usually be linked to a motive. I'm thinking more anti-society rather than anti-government.

Haele

[The Magistrate]

85. True, Ma'am

It is also true that 'Let's do something and get it blamed on somebody else (at present Moslems)" is a pretty sturdy perennial among the plans of the sort we are considering here.

[Marr]

100. "Profile"? Are you kidding?

CSI is a fun show and all, but c'mon. How many cases are you basing this "profile" on?

[EstimatedProphet]

117. Which is of course why the Olympics were targeted by a rightwing bomber in 1996.

[SoCalDem]

64. He heard the soound of a Cheetos bag being opened when he called Mommie

for a ride home:)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

113. OK then. 3% probability AQ, 96% RW US extremists, 1% other. -nt

[sohndrsmith]

68. Um... (just my opinion) but this looks more like a McVeigh copycat - that would be a terrorist act.

The assumptions that "terror' = AQ or foreign seems a stretch to me...

This didn't detonate (if it is, in fact proven to be a bomb), that doesn't it shouldn't be taken as seriously.

If McVeigh's evil didn't succeed, would we have considered it an amateur failed rental-truck scare?

I just seems odd to me that the media (from what I can tell) is using the term "home-grown extremist" as also having a foreign/ME connotation.

Just reminds me a whole lot of the recent McVeigh documentary - but maybe my imagination is getting the better of me. **Including** how THAT act of terrorism was offered by the press with comments ME connections.

And to take my imagination/speculation further, I'm really way out there. : ) This was in front of the Lion King - (African... "king"... I know, I know, but this is what happens when there's a long void of actual, factual info).

During the WHCD Gibbs whispered something to the President and left? No wonder Obama didn't smile seem relaxed as much as he usually does for events like this one. It was visible. He'd stop smiling every time he checked his notes.

Obviously, I'm guessing on all of this....

[renko]

72. McVeigh or McVey?

[sohndrsmith]

87. I don't think McVey had a rental truck, nor does there seem to be any

similarity to what he did.

That said, I recently read that he referred to the President by his middle name "Hussein" and questioned his citizenship months before he showed up near AF1 carrying a sidearm, having a rifle scope and the explanation that he wanted to "see Obama".

The story dies there, so I guess the event was deemed insignificant. I don't see it that way, but law enforcement knows a lot more than I do...

Maybe I'm too naive or have too active an imagination (well I know I have that) but I just see several similarities with what McVeigh did - in detail - than anything other incident I can think of. That said, this **could** turn out to be some odd set of circumstances and/or a possibly none-too-sharp person with no evil intent.

Given the issue of the tags, that makes me think that something about this was intentional, but that's just a guess, too.

Did you see the McVeigh documentary? If so, do you not see any similarities (however speculative)? I sure do, but that doesn't mean any of my views are absolute. : )

[sohndrsmith]

75. MSNBC still seems to be speculating possible terrorism primarily (at minimum)

in terms of Middle East/Al Qaeda extremism, including when they say "home-grown"

They referred to the recent deaths of the 2 top leaders recently, the Najibullah Zazi trial - they keep mentioning these things, but I don't know why unless they have factual, official info of the connection. If so, they should say so.

They've also been talking of this in terms of being an IED, which many people might link immediately with who we're fighting in the ME.

... in the time I wrote this, I'm (thankfully) hearing other theories. Still, they've been really putting primary weight in they're own speculations on that one side a bit too much. We don't know, and (clearly) they don't know either...

Maybe I'm wrong, but does happen when I think.

[renko]

78. How long 'til Fox Nation accuses the WH of Wag The Dog?,

Btw, what does N/T stand for?

[The Magistrate]

82. Dollars To Dimes, Sir, that is On Free Republic Already....

[renko]

91. They're so cute -like demented children on acid.

Except they're armed and can vote, spawn, and brainwash their own.

And they honest-to-god Believe their ramblings!

[CTyankee]

114. Have you read Christopher Dickey's book "Securing the City"?

It's a wonderful indepth description of the NYPD's anti-terrorism unit and its extraordinary work. These guys are so on the ball. They use all of the advantages that NYC has to recruit potential officers from new immigrants from ME countries and can speak the varied languages of the region. They have investigators sent to every city in the world hit by terrorists to gather info and keep up to date on terrorists tactics. If there is in AQ involvement, these guys will find it...I bet they're on the ball with domestic terrorism, too. They are a tough bunch in a tough city...

[eppur_se_muova]

118. No Text (in body of message) -- saves time, for modem users. nt

[flamingdem]

81. In front of the Lion King, that's just plain psycho nt

[sohndrsmith]

101. self delete - thought you were replying to me flamingdem. My apologies... n/t

[aquart]

105. The Lion King? That was on 42nd when I saw it.

Charming. Always a ton of children in that audience.

[eShirl]

108. maybe it was a deranged "birther?"

make that,"exceptionally deranged"

[cherokeeprogressive]

92. Teabaggers. Trying to deflect attention from SB1070 in Arizona.

n/t

[jillan]

103. I was thinking that maybe it was retaliation for all the protests today.

It's just too much of a coincidence.

[WeDidIt]

107. Can't watch MSNBC

I refuse to turn on MSNBC while Joe Scarborough (R-Dead Inter) is on.

[HipChick]

112. AP is claiming Taliban are claiming it..

http://alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE6410H5.htm


I'll wait to see what police investigation brings out..

[nadinbrzezinski]

115. Since when do these guys do amateour hour?

Now don't get me wrong. I will be happy as peach if this was not done by our internal terrorists, but reaching for ... let's see who else and what forensics do.

That said... this follows the truck in December...

Not good

[Joanne98]

116. AP is useless