Talked to my fish monger today at the market

[nadinbrzezinski]

I usually get fish on Sundays, usually Salmon. He said that by next week they don't know if they will even have shrimp or other mollusks, or for that matter catfish. They also expect to increase their prices by upwards of 200% for what they can get. Their providers in the East Coast have warned them that they are done for at least a generation.

I am not sure if a generation, but at least ten years for sure.

It might make them consider bringing other stuff to the market, apart of the usual fish...

Alas those are the costs that we tend not to pay in our food products.

[AnnieBW]

1. The Chinese are gonna benefit the most from this

Already we're getting Chinese shrimp and aquaculture catfish in the States. It's just going to get worse after this disaster.

As I told my husband when we went out to the local seafood place on Friday night, "get our shrimp now, before you can fry it without adding any oil."

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. And the polution on that fish is incredible

ah the glory of globalization

[AnArmyVeteran]

2. The people hurt the most won't get a dime of money from the BP criminals...

[FarCenter]

4. "80 percent of the seafood Americans eat is imported"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100429/ts_csm/297747

Oil spill: What is the threat to Gulf of Mexico seafood?

[Chulanowa]

5. Hate to say it, but good

The Palin Sea might have some sort of backhanded benefit to aquatic life; fish seem to have a higher tolerance for toxins in water than humans have for toxins in fish. If this shuts down fisheries, it MAY just be what those fisheries need to start to recover from the Red Lobster Genocide being perpetrated

[tranche]

39. You would kill the fish's village to save it?

[Chulanowa]

40. You misunderstand

I'm not saying that this disaster is a good thing. Just that there could be a rainbow lining to the oil slick.

Fact is, we're devestating the fisheries. Though lots of methods, yes; overharvesting is a major problem though. if this thing can cut off the harvesting, it may offer some respite to the fisheries... In the long run, anyway. In the short run, it's the motherfucking apocalypse.

[Statistical]

60. the "Red Lobster Genocide"?

Really? Fish exist to be eaten by other species.

To apply "genocide" to fish is to completely debase the meaning of the word.

Real genocide:




http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_s6zY8-yAuYc/SRP9hXhq_jI/AAAAAAAABKY/KRNLs0XuMks/s400/Pilica+Farm+Mass+Graves+Srebrenica+Genocide.jpg

[Chulanowa]

66. Actually, it's completely accurate

Entire species are being rendered extinct, and most of them are ending up in dumpsters behind seafood chain restaurants or put into cat food. Do you have a better word for the concerted drive to completely eradicate a species from the face of the earth? 'Cause I think genocide is a wholly appropriate term for this sort of thing.

[Statistical]

67. Well the english language disagrees.

By definition genocide applies to humans.

Also intent is important. Death by negligence is generally not considered genocide. The volcano at Pompey exterminated a culture but the Volcano didn't practice genocide.

Your bastardization of the word is insulting to those who are victims of and/or survived genocide.

[Chulanowa]

81. Then they can be insulted, because there's not a better word in English

As the descendant of genocide victims (though I'm sure Indians don't count, since our slaughter directly benefitted you in the future) I'm not too bothered by it. Then again, I don't see humans as being anything "special;" or rather, I tend to see all these other critters as being equally special.

Meanwhile, entire species are being wiped out so you can enjoy feeling "elite" by having a rare wild-caught fish on your plate.

Maybe you can discuss what a bastard I am over dinner.

[alarimer]

64. No, oil is extremely toxic to eggs and larvae of fish and shrimp

It will kill the next generations and these populations will have a harder time bouncing back because most of them are spawning right now and most of the eggs and larvae will probably die. If this spill had occurred in the winter, it might not be so devastating. But some of the slack might be taken up by areas (Texas, for example) that might not be as affected by this.

The other reason this is so devastating is that the oil will ruin the wetland habitat that many commercially important species use as nursery habitat. Oil kills seagrasses and seagrasses are the most important habitat in the Gulf for juvenile fish and invertebrates. It is where they hide from predators and where they feed.

But you are correct in that larger fish can move out of the oily area and maybe survive to spawn next year, but with no habitat left for the juveniles, it might be pointless.

[FarCenter]

6. Seafood prices might rise, improving the situation of fishermen in the Western Gulf

and on the Pacific, Atlantic and Alaskan coasts.

[jody]

7. Catfish are freshwater species almost all pond raised. Demand will drive up prices but supply will

not be affected by the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

[tammywammy]

8. +1 n/t

[FarCenter]

9. Crawfish are also freshwater and farmed

Eat more mud bugs.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Yes but many of those ponds

are in the area to be affected...

That was their fear.

[jody]

11. Water doesn't flow uphill & it's improbable that catfish ponds will be affected. Anyway, it's a sin

to eat catfish according to the Bible since they do not have scales.

Looks like a chance for Pat Robinson to claim God sent a plague on catfish farms. :rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Water is not going uphill

think of this though... LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.

As to Roberts, he will probably blame it on the gay... and lose morals... stuck on the same theme

[jody]

21. I've visited dozens of catfish ponds along the coast from Florida to Texas, never found one that

would be threatened by the current oil slicks.

Catfish farmers will benefit because demand for their product will skyrocket.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. I hope you are right

me pan fried catfish...

YUMMO

[jody]

30. I've got a recipe that you would love and a hush puppy mix that is perfect. Best are channel cats &

pond raised catfish are not even close to them. :hi:

[safeinOhio]

37. Bullheads are best.

A little sweeter.

[jody]

38. OK I challenge you to a catfish cook off. I suspect it would be a tie.

:hi:

[safeinOhio]

42. I'll bring the beer and

green onions.

[jody]

43. And I'll cook the hush puppies.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Who needs the food channel anymore?

[Enthusiast]

52. Oh baby! nt

[Enthusiast]

50. +1

Most people don't know this.

[Enthusiast]

51. I have several vacuum packed bags

of channel catfish in my freezer that I caught myself. :hi:

[here_is_to_hope]

14. The sky is falling!

Sorry but five minutes of research tells me that very little of any commercially caught seafood from the Gulf finds its way to the West Coast.
Like not quite zip.
Oysters for most of California come from the West Coast, as do prawns.
Naturally caught Salmon too.
Unless your monger sells Bluefin that's been trucked or flown from the southern Gulf, he is telling you stories.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Here is a little concept for you

SUPPLY\ DEMAND.

You understand what that means?

Oh never mind...

I could recommend some readying on that but why bother?

[here_is_to_hope]

20. Here is a concept for you, this ain't

your tragedy, it's reserved for those who must endure the filth of the blow out.
And for you to post a story about your 'fish monger' telling you prices are going up when he doesn't get squat from the Gulf was a bit much.
You may believe you are Mr./Mrs. Disaster Ass but as a trucker and former commercial fisherman, I ain't buying what you are selling.
Tragedy? Oh yes.
But not yours.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Another concept that seems to escape you

this is NOT JUST GONNA AFFECT THE EAST COAST.

Got it now?

IN fact, this will also affect the Mexican Coast line, the OTHER area for fishing in the Gulf of Mexico.

So this is not about me... but the OVERALL, down range EFFECTS

You see when you buy food, rarely do you also pay all the incidental costs that come with it.

By the way I find it AMAZING the level of projection about this.

Now here is a hint, go read on SUPPLY AND DEMAND, and learn some REALLY BASIC economics. This is how this will affect ALL OF US.

AS IN THE COUNTRY...

GOT IT NOW?

And not just in food prices.

Jesus age, there are days....

[Name removed]

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[Raster]

27. Here's a concept for you: common courtesy.

And while those of us that don't live right on the Gulf may not be directly impacted (at this time*), there will be consequences we all will be forced to deal with. We have NEVER seen an offshore oil accident of this magnitude. Industry insiders are already warning of dire consequences.
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*According to some reports, there is a possibility the leaking crude oil could find its way into the Gulf Stream, the underwater current that moves around the world and affects every ocean on the planet. If that is the case, EVERYONE's fishing and seafood will be impacted. Severely.

[dsc]

45. and where do you think people who live in the east, as I do, are now going to get their fish

hint: It won't be the gulf and it might well not be the east coast either.

[Mother Smuckers]

15. How? Are you suggesting that water doesn't really flow down to the sea?

???

[FarCenter]

17. The Davao-based Mindanao Baptist Rural Life Center Foundation gives these tips on growing tilapia.

Raising Tilapia in Your Backyard

The Davao-based Mindanao Baptist Rural Life Center Foundation gives these timely and relevant tips on growing tilapia.

Tilapia is now widely distributed around the world. It has become the mainstay of many small-scale aquaculture projects of poor fish farmers in the developing world. According to Dr. Rafael D. Guerrero III, the executive director of the Laguna-based Philippine Council for Aquatic and Marine Research and Development (PCAMRD), tilapia is now cultured in more than 70 countries.

Fishery experts have dubbed tilapia as “aquatic chicken” because it possesses many positive attributes that suit the fish for a varied range of aquaculture systems. For one, tilapia tolerates a wide range of environmental conditions and is highly resistant to diseases and parasitic infections.

Other good traits of tilapia include excellent growth rates on a low-protein diet, ready breeding in captivity and ease of handling; and, more importantly, wide acceptance as food fish.

Next to milkfish (more popularly known as “bangus”), tilapias are among the widely cultured species in the Philippines. The culture of tilapia in freshwater ponds and cages has been a commercial success:

Currently, there are an estimated 15,000 hectares of freshwater ponds and 500 hectares of cages in lakes in lakes and reservoirs producing over 50,000 metric tons of tilapia.

Tilapia was first introduced into the country in the 1950s Today, there are four species raised in the country: Oreochronlis niloticus, O. mossambicus, O. aureus, and Tilapia zillii.

<SNIP>http://www.agribusinessweek.com/raising-tilapia-in-your-backyard/

[Enthusiast]

54. The Talapia I bought fresh

in my grocery store were just about as flavorful as my fresh caught bluegill. I was astounded.

[Chulanowa]

41. And the pellets that they are fed comes from oceanic fish by-product

Driving up prices of food drives up prices of the stuff that eats the food.

[jody]

68. Right, bottom line is those who eat fish, oysters, shrimp, etc. will pay higher prices. n/t

[eShirl]

12. what about that prototype for a machine that lets you grow your own meat and fish flesh?

http://gizmodo.com/5367746/screw-cooking-grow-your-own-meat-from-animal-cell-capsules

I wonder how far along they are with that by now...

[FarCenter]

13. Of course there is also the Mississippi Dead Zone caused by fertilizer runoff

[Mother Smuckers]

19. Why, you BP apologist, how DARE you mention that!!!

:shrug:

[FarCenter]

22. I was reminded of it by another poster on another thread

But it must affect the production of oysters and other sea bottom life.

[Mother Smuckers]

25. It absolutely does. I apologize for excessive snark...I mean who wouldn't love to eat

an oyster that has filtered the sewage water from 20 million people from Minneapolis to New Orleans?

:scared:

[FarCenter]

28. And from Billings to Pittsburgh

[Mother Smuckers]

31. Yeah, I left out the Missouri and Ohio. The deliciousness just never stops, does it?

:puke:

[FarCenter]

33. Well, there are the Arkansas and Tennessee rivers as well

[here_is_to_hope]

34. I wouldn't eat anything from those waters...

After reading about the Dead Zone, yeah, not over my lips thank you.

[Mother Smuckers]

36. Well, not to gross you out or anything but most every molecule of anything you eat or drink

has passed through the digestive tracts of hundreds or thousands of critters over time. We're all recyclers whether or not we plan it that way. :D

[Enthusiast]

55. This thought also crossed

my mind. :scared:

[Enthusiast]

56. All the male smallmouth bass

recently sampled from the Potomac River had female ovaries! This does not sound good. Scientists assume this is due to hormone laden chemicals in the water.

[jody]

69. Did female smallmouth bass have testicles? Just curious. n/t

[truebrit71]

71. Only the married ones...

..their husband's...:evilgrin:

[Enthusiast]

73. I don't believe they did.

But I have filleted thousands of male fish and never ever seen eggs. This is alarming.

[jody]

23. Can aquaculture businesses aka fish farms return their $50 million in stimulus for fish food?

http://www.recovery.gov/Transparency/agency/reporting/agency_reporting5program.aspx?agency_code=12&progplanid=7743
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) funds have made possible the Farm Service Agency’s (FSA) 2008 Aquaculture Grant Program which will provide block grants to State Departments of Agriculture that agree to provide assistance to eligible aquaculture producers for losses associated with high feed input costs during the 2008 calendar year.

The Department of Agriculture (USDA)'s Office of Inspector General is reviewing the agency's control over the distribution of $50 million for the Aquaculture Grant Program that aids farmers growing products such as salmon, shrimp, and oysters. Through the Recovery Act, the USDA's Farm Service Agency will award grants to states to assist eligible aquaculture farmers who suffered losses associated with high feed costs during 2008. The USDA Office of Inspector General's report suggested that the Farm Service Agency modify draft agreements with the states to clarify requirements for paying out the grant funds.

[nashville_brook]

29. a generation of fish, or a generation of people? horrible either way.

this was just the first thing that came to mind.

what people don't understand about the Gulf is that it's the nursery for the ocean. so, it's going to be AT LEAST a generation of fish. at least.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Exactly and taht is what my fish monger was saying

mostly reminding me of that little detail.

As is Tuna is under pressure. They don't expect to carry tuna anymore.

[Ilsa]

35. And the Western Gulf of Mexico could get over-fished.

I'm concerned that that along the Texas side of the Gulf of Mexico, whatever shrimp and oysters that are normally here could be overfished. I'm expecting high prices and periods of inavailability, at best.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. Mexico already issued alerts for Tamaulipas

that places the fisheries in Texas at risk already.

I was wondering of the Mexican Navy is playing with the US Navy to stop this mess? And I am not joking.

[troubledamerican]

44. Bill Kristol's Sunday decree: Drill More, double down

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0502/kristol-wants-drilling-closer-shore/

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Why am I not surprised?

[Enthusiast]

57. Is there a bigger idiot than Bill Kristol? nt

[Subdivisions]

53. An industry spokesperson in LA just told MSNBC that LA still has

400 miles of pristine coastal fisheries with perfectly healthy shrimp and mollusks.

[GumboYaYa]

58. I paid $25.00 for a softshell crab poy boy yesterday

I don't know when I will get another one. I drove over to the seafood market of Bayou Manchac yesterday to buy shrimp to freeze. I didn't get over there until after noon. They were already sold out. There was a sign on the door (limit 20 pounds per person). Mike, the owner, told me he doesn't know when he is going to get shrimp or crabs again for the next few weeks or even longer, god forbid.

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. The fisheries in the Gulf are mostly

gone I fear... that includes the fisheries on the Mexican coast by the way.

I am sorry for all who will be affected by this.

[Evasporque]

59. "Fish baby fish!!"

We need to start eating WHALE!!!
and baby seals!!


"Fish baby fish!!"
"Bash baby bash!!"

[alarimer]

62. Well they still might get shrimp from Texas

Although the biggest shrimp are in the Gulf right now and Texas institutes a Gulf closure (up to 10 miles offshore) to allow the shrimp to get to a larger, more marketable size. So no one will be shrimping in the Gulf right now anyway. Right now Gulf shrimp are simply unavailable. They do this closure every year and it lasts until July. But I predict that, since shrimp and most fish are spawning right now, these populations are going to crash because oil is highly toxic to eggs and larvae. Texas populations might do okay because the oil is not supposed to be coming here but we'll see.

This oil is going to destroy wetland habitats, where many important species spend at least a part of their lives, usually at the juvenile stage.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. With current circulation Mexico

is expecting this to reach Veracruz, worst case.

So that will close quite a bit of fisheries in Texas and TAMAULIPAS too.

[intheflow]

65. Not just seafood prices to rise.

The Gulf Coast is a major port for South American fruit and coffee. Those boats won't be making those runs for years since South America won't want their waters contaminated by oil on the ship hulls. So they'll fly the products in but the cost will increase exponentially.

[GumboYaYa]

70. The Port of South Louisiana handles almost all of the grains from the Midwest.

Significant amounts of the oil imported from the Gulf comes through the Port of New Orleans to get to refineries up river. A few years ago the Port had to shut down for a few days b/c of a small oil spill. They have to clean the ships before they can enter the Mississippi. At that time more that sixty ships lined up waiting to get in. That was a couple of days.

If the oil gets to the mouth of the river in any significant volume, it will cause havoc in international trade and the energy industry.

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. Most people don't realize this

hell most folks don't realize just how dependent on oil we are...

Plastics, pesticides, a few other things come to mind... and that is the top of iceberg.

This may force a whole shift in thinking though and moving away from our petroleum based civlization

[freddie mertz]

74. We had better get started on it too.

Unless it is already too late.


:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

[nadinbrzezinski]

75. That is the good side of this

as much as I hate this disaster, and some might think I am celebrating, the status quo is unsustainable, but this disaster will bring it into clear focus.

[freddie mertz]

77. IF the ocean SURVIVES it, of course.

And just look around, at the WH's refusal to acknowledge the error of their ways, or the media's continued obsession with nonsense non-stories.

"Earth doomed, human race to become extinct! But first, in Sports..."

[nadinbrzezinski]

78. If it kills the oceans, then we will be gone in a generation

and will be truly a fast extinction level event

[freddie mertz]

79. Indeed.

It would happen in our lifetime.

Scary?

You bet.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. There are many times I have said it

my kids have feathers... I am actually happy about that.

What a mess of a world...

[GumboYaYa]

76. After Katrina there was a spike in the price of produce in the U.S.

Importers lost tons of money during the storm because the ships could not come into port for so long the fruits and vegetables rotted. It impacted prices across the country for about six months.

People think that if they don't live on the Gulf Coast these things don't impact them directly, but we are actually all much more connected than we realize.