During the broadcast of the NASCAR race Saturday night, one announcer made SURE

[DainBramaged]

to tell us they were in Richmond Virginia, the Confederate Capitol JUST as the race was rolling towards the start/finish line to begin.


What the fuck was his point? Alas, this was Fox Sports which broadcasts the races till june, but he sounded PROUD.


Jerk off.

[Union Yes]

1. Did they talk about the oil gusher in the Gulf? K&R nt

[DainBramaged]

2. Not a word.....

[Union Yes]

3. Figures..

Too bad some are unreccing this. I recced it but it's still at zero. Hopefully the morning DU crowd will take care of that.

This is worthy of attention and this OP needs some love.

Here's a kick!

:kick:

[Obamanaut]

4. The point was maybe some viewers did not know the race was

in Richmond, and that it was the confederate capitol. That is a historical fact. Not liking history doesn't change it.

I have been under the impression that there is some unwritten rule that Fox is not to be watched, because even if we watch non-news shows, it increases their viewership.

[DainBramaged]

8. Your assumptions are naive, to say the least, about people not knowing about Richmond

:eyes:

[Obamanaut]

10. Not necessarily. Polio was a much more recent event than the

War of Northern Aggression, and yet there are people who know nothing of this disease, have never known anyone who suffered from it, never lost friends because of it.

Considering the previous sentence, why must one assume that everyone knows about the capitol of the confederacy?

Perhaps the announcer was engaging in idle banter. And, the people who follow the rules re not watching Fox would not have heard it anyway.

[DainBramaged]

11. See reply #8

:wtf:

[Obamanaut]

13. Don't you just hate it when all the posters don't see things the same

way you do. And some have the audacity to disagree.

[Name removed]

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[DainBramaged]

18. What I said...............

I refuse to soil my keyboard in any of your threads, why not keep yours to yourself.

I hate this nicey nice shit. Some people deserve more than just a Merry Christmas.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

26. There's disagreeing about which baseball team is better...

...and then there's disagreeing about whether the square root of 2 is irrational.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

25. Wait, what? You call the civil war "War of Northern Aggression" in a serious fashion?

Wow. Just wow.

[Name removed]

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[TheMightyFavog]

35. Considering the CONFEDRACY fired the first shots

Thus making them the AGGRESSORS.

[DainBramaged]

42. I caught that, and it boggles my mind to realize a long time member here thinks like that...

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

43. "It was just a joke," it seems.

Whoa, deja vu.

[DainBramaged]

51. I have a few more choice words to respond to that with, but I am afraid they would be deleted

Unfortunately, there are stealth sympathizers all over DU. And stating the Civil War was a 'war of Northern aggression" isn't a joke.

[KatyMan]

50. War of Northern Aggression?

wtf? have we forgotten who fired the first shots?

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Actually it is not naive

Americans do not remember last week, let alone one hundred of sixty years ago.

That is not all Americans. A few people in this country KNOW about the South, some of them even watch NASCAR, but assuming that all people know that Richmond was the Confederate Capital just because YOU DO... that is naive.

[Captain Hilts]

64. Sports announcers do that kind of thing ALL the time. The Sunday Fox Soccer

broadcast from Liverpool had the announcers talking about the Beatles.

[jberryhill]

16. When they race at Watkins Glen, NY

Do they mention that upstate NY was the birthplace of Mormonism?

There are a lot of historical facts.

"Welcome to Texas Motor Speedway located near Dallas, Texas. We are in for a fine race today at the city where JFK was assassinated..."

[Captain Hilts]

63. On Fox Soccer's Sunday game in Liverpool, they made all sorts of Beatle

references. There are folks that don't know the Beatles are from Liverpool. They know now.

[jberryhill]

73. Yes... remind me.... How many people were killed or enslaved by the Beatles? /nt

[michreject]

21. I didn't know that

Thanks.

[Captain Hilts]

62. Exactly. Facts is facts. nt

[taterguy]

5. To make sure people didn't think the race was in the East Bay city

Might freak people out to see darkness when it was only 5:00 PM on the west coast.

[JHB]

6. It could just be the only thing they know about it... n/t

[lynne]

7. Because it was the TRUTH?

- Richmond is a very historical city and its history accounts for a huge amount of its tourist trade. We can't change history just because some feel its not politically correct.

[DainBramaged]

9. These clowns are pure Rethugs broadcasting the NASCAR races

Jeff Hammond used to make jokes abut President Clinton in the 90's........I watch for the races not for the supposed historical commentary....

[Obamanaut]

12. "Mute" is your friend. All the races go around a track multiple, all the

cars have numbers on them - don't listen to the commentary, just watch 'em go round and round (or oval, or some other shape.)

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[DainBramaged]

19. Again, why not post your infinite knowledge of NASCAR in your own thread...

You seem to think you know a lot about it, start your own.....or is bothering me your sole purpose here?


Merry Christmas......

[Obamanaut]

37. They start, they go around a closed track, they end. Race over. nt

[Mopar151]

44. Actually, a lot of us listen to the MRN (radio) play-by-play

The Fox broadcast crew ain't the best... I get tired of DW pretty fast. Larry MAC Reynolds is very astute, but he's a preacher's son from Alabama, and I find his speech annoying at best. You will not find a nicer, or smarter, guy in racing than (former psychology instructor)Dr.Dick Berggern.

[lynne]

30. Mute the sound or go to the track. You won't hear the commentary over the roar.

Sounds like you don't like commentary so I'd just mute it if its bothersome.

[npk]

68. Then why the hell did you watch the damn race to start with

I mean was this some shock to you. You talk about other people being naive, NASCAR has a huge tradition and following in the deep south. Many times these announcers give historical context to the city that they happen to be racing in. I really can't believe you are this outraged or are you just looking to be outraged.

[Mopar151]

78. Larry MAC Reynolds is a threat to the English language!

Or whatever it is that he's speaking. I think DW starts off with a list of homespun homolies that he needs to work in to each broadcast - kinda like Ronnie Regan.

My all-time favorite NASCAR broadcasters were th old TNN crew - Mike Joy, Buddy Baker, and Neil Bonnet. Knowledgeable, matter-of fact, and the kind of guys I like to watch a race with.

[Dogtown]

20. Truth is not always worthy of pride.

Richmond's involvement in the betrayal of the Union and the South's dishonorable attempt to retain slavery should always be mentioned in the hushed tones of shame.



The South fouled itself and some folks still want to wallow in that shit...

[lynne]

31. As a Virginian, I take great pride in our capital and the people who live there -

- as they have worked long and hard to restore the city. The citizens of today had no hand in what went on in 1862 and they have every right to be proud of where they live.

[Dogtown]

40. The announcer

"made SURE

to tell us they were in Richmond Virginia, the Confederate Capitol".

I am referring to the revisionists who try so desperately to glamourize that conflict, and the traiters and slavers who began it. The announcer referenced is one of those.

I am not referring to your "citizens of today". We don't often hear their comments on the Civil War, as it was, indeed, a very long time ago. They may well be proud of their city, as it exists today.

I object to those who, like the announcer, are only proud of it having been "the Confederate capitol". *They* wish only to renew a sad and sick conflict that was resolved so very long ago.

[npk]

70. This is how it works

NASCAR is a traveling sport. Every city or track they go to the announcers try and draw some correlation into the history of the city, town, state etc. where they happen to be racing. When NASCAR travels to Michigan, you often here the announcers say something like this, "Well boys we are in the home where Ford and GM were built, could be a big day for one of those makers." Richmond Virginia was home to the Confederate capital. It is simply the truth. In fact one of the major tourist selling point;'s of Richmond is the historic grounds of the Confederate capital. Furthermore if you asked most people on DU what one thing springs to mind when you mention the name Richmond, a good many people would answer capital of the confederacy. Stating something that is obvious to most people doesn't mean that you agree with it or even like it. If that was the case most of DU would be in trouble.

[greencharlie]

41. I think it's a beautiful city...

I spent time there... in fact, I was there in the late 90's and walked from my hotel to the state Capitol area... walked around, soaked up the Summer sun and air... I even walked by the governor's mansion and believe it or not, saw a black suburban pull into the gate and watched Gov. Macaca and family enter the building.

[LostinVA]

36. Google Elizzbeth Van Lew

Read the new book about Libby Prison and all of the anti-slavery and Pro-Union people who lived here during teh war. Richmond was also very anti-war prior to Sumter, until the dictatorship and propaganda machine got going.

And, as Lynne said, that was a long time ago.

I live in Downtown Richmond and love it. The people are the nicest of anyplace I've lived, and the history here is so rich. Excluding the Civil War.

Richmond City votes blue.

[Dogtown]

39. I live in exurbia, Georgia.

The people here are ugly and crude. They are very racist and they seem proud of it.
I've lived in Virginia, I found it no different than Georgia.

Wallowing in the sty of Civil War nostalgia is sick and repulsive. The nice people you know don't indulge in that filth; the ones who do are not nice people.

[proteus_lives]

55. Really?

"Wallowing in the sty of Civil War nostalgia is sick and repulsive. The nice people you know don't indulge in that filth; the ones who do are not nice people."

I've taken part in a Civil War reenactment. Am I not a nice person because of that?

[Dogtown]

58. How much wallowing did you accomplish?

I don't think one incident will define you. I rode on a freight-train once. Didn't make me a hobo...

[greencharlie]

48. yes, so nice...

I stayed at the Omni hotel, wandered over to Capitol Square... didn't feel like downtown big-city, never felt unsafe. I will never forget... I was at a restaurant and I was talking to the waitress.

I said:

"I'm just curious, is Richmond "really considered the South, compared to Mississippi and Alabama"? (yes I wasn't quite as intelligent back then)

She looked at me and produced a wry smile, "Honey, this is the civilized South"

[Captain Hilts]

66. I've had a picnic right near Jeff Davis's grave. Nice view of the river. nt

[saltpoint]

17. I'm not a NASCAR follower. Do the drivers drive backwards?

Do they think backwards? I ask because the announcer seems to imply a pro-Confederate reference to the Confederate capital. Does backward thinking manifest in backwards car races?

The pride, if that's what it was, seems misplaced, as that side lost that war, I believe, and at least in the opinion of this north-if-the-Mason-Dixon-line pro-abolitionist, slavery was a brutal abandonment of human ethics.

You wonder what the scores and scores and scores of Afro-American NASCAR drivers think of such a reference, were there any to ask.

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

22. so let me get this straight

You were watching a pseudo-sport that got its start when backwoods southern bootleggers would soup up their cars to outrun police in order to transport their hillbilly poison -- a pseudo-sport steeped in the deepest, murkiest waters of racism, slavery and hatred for the Other -- and you are surprised at the announcer's celebration of the Confederacy?

It's like visiting a strip club and then complaining that the MC called the dancers "babes" or "honeys".

[DainBramaged]

23. So you're still locked with their stereotypes....

Do you have any idea where the drivers come from? Where the tracks are? That except for football, NASCAR gets higher ratings than virtually any other regular sports cast. And you still think it's limited to the South?


Assumption and lack of knowledge, something that runs rampant when it comes to NASCAR around here. Those of you who just hate everything motorsports related really need to realize how much of an industry it is, and if we followed your lead, millions more would be out of work because they don't work in the 'right' industry....

[jberryhill]

29. No, it's not limited to the South...

And Richmond is no longer the capital of the Confederacy.

Are you offended by someone bringing up historical facts?

You see how that works?

[Mopar151]

49. Hometown boys (top 10 finishers)

Kyle Busch wins at Richmond: #18-Kyle Busch (Las Vegas, NV) led the most laps <226> and made a late race pass of #24-Gordon (Vallejo, CA) on a restart and won the Crown Royal Presents The Heath Calhoun 400 Sprint Cup Series race at Richmond International Raceway for his 1st race of 2010, his first win in 21 races and 17th of his career. It was the first Sprint Cup Series win for crew chief Dave Rogers. Busch is the first pole sitter to win a race in 2010. #24-Gordon hel on to 2nd, followed by #29-Harvick (Bakersfield, CA), #31-Burton (South Boston, VA), #99-Edwards (Colombia, MO), #42-Montoya (Bogota, Colombia), #56-Truex Jr.(Maietta, NJ), #39-Newman (South Bend, IN), #47-Ambrose Launceton, Tasmania) and #48-Johnson (El Cajon, CA). Harvick takes the points lead by 10 points over Johnson. There were 13 lead changes among 8 drivers and 6 cautions for 37 yellow flag laps.
See race results, awards, laps led and more on Jayski's Richmond Race Results/Awards page.(5-1-2010) http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm
Hometowns: http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/cup/drivers

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

32. how did NASAR begin?

You cannot separate the history of the "sport" from its contemporary manifestation: as you yourself noticed, those roots always run deep.

[DainBramaged]

38. Whatever, enjoy your delusions......

NASCAR ISN'T the Confederacy, and trying to compare NASCAR to the Confederacy is just absurd.


Keep on tokin........ Cya......

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

56. you can deny reality all you like buddy

but I certainly noticed you cannot deny the origins of the "sport".

Check out Google's "NASCAR'S Racist History" timeline:
http://www.google.com/search?q=NASCAR+racist+history&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Ej3&sa=X&tbo=p&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbs=tl:1,tl_num:100&ei=5z7fS__BO8H88AbfvKGbBQ&oi=timeline_navigation_bar&ct=timeline-navbar&cd=3&ved=0CHMQywEoBA

[Mopar151]

47. Go, dude, go!

Stock car racing was not invented in the South - where do you think the bootleggers bought their speed parts? Auto racing in this country has a rich history, and, sadly, a lot of folks here trumpet their ignorance as if it elevates their status.

[One_Life_To_Give]

24. Trackpass

I have trackpass so tune out much of what the announcers say. Get to listen to Gregg, Joel and Erwin and frequently put a second channel on to listen to the officials or some of the other drivers, Marcos Ambrose, Stewart, Johnson.

Although as they come to the start doesn't it always feature DW's boogity, boogity, boogity?

[kctim]

27. His point?

That they were in Richmond and it was once the Confederate Capitol?

Come on man. Heck, one of my neighbors believe they mention things like this because they are trying to give NASCAR a bad name and destroy it.

People need to relax some, there isn't a hidden agenda behind EVERYTHING.

[h9socialist]

28. Being from Indiana . . .

. . . I have a hard time understanding the fascination with NASCAR's japoly racing in the first place. The cars are 50 miles per hour slower than the Indy Cars to begin with. The only reason NASCAR took off at all was because the cars have more advertising space, so cigarette companies bought into it as a way around the ban on cigarette commercials.

As to the "Capitol of the Old Confederacy" remark -- it figures! But consider the source: Fox! NASCAR was imbued with the Old South's racism and sexism from its inception. The solution -- in my opinion -- is to pay less attention to NASCAR. And certainly don't treat it as the pinnacle of American racing. As I have said for many years: "Real Race Cars don't have fenders!" I love auto-racing, but NASCAR turns me off!

[Mopar151]

52. you're entitled to your opinion, I guess

But it is not supported in fact. One of the many reasons that Indy car racing has faded from it's former preeminence has to do with the (INSANE) cost of the cars - Unless you are racing for the lead, it is simply not worth risking a million-dollar car for a position.

[h9socialist]

53. FREEZE!

The IRL has been keeping the lid on costs more than any other major racing sanctioning body. That's why theystandardized the chassis, and keep the price of it around $250K. The multi-million dollar race cars are in Formula One -- because of the Constructors Association rules.

The reason Indy Car racing slumped a bit was because the big names all retired in the 1990s -- that is Foyt, Andretti, Unser, Mears, Rahal, etc. Moreover, as I indicated, NASCAR convinced Madison Avenue that their cars had more room for advertisement. Lastly, NASCAR put a lot of money into promoting drivers as publicity for the sanctioning body . . . something the others were slow to do.

But, I can tell you from first hand experience, that the Indianapolis 500 has been consistently more competitive than the NASCAR race at the Speedway -- NASCAR just puts on a 400 mile parade.

[Mopar151]

54. You mean the $650K Dallara

Plus the engine lease... The IRL car owners, fronted by Barry Green, are proposing a $250K, US built spec car, but it's not reality yet.
The rest of the 1st 2 paragraphs is pure speculation, and not supported by fact of any sort. Do you know how TV exposure is measured? Or how dedicated to "Corporate Entertainment" CART and IRL sponsorship packages became? The "hospitality" trailers were bigger than the race car transporters.....

[npk]

74. Naah NASCAR is more popular for a couple reasons

The biggest reason is the casual fan. The casual fan will tune into a NASCAR race for one main reason, and that is to see a big, nasty wreck. Now of course there are wreck in the INDY series as well, but the wrecks are fewer and farther between and usually not as many cars involved. Though I have seen a few INDY 500's where the number of wrecked cars out numbered the cars still left in the field.

The other reason NASCAR is more popular is because it's bigger, more tracks more cities. Offers more money and incentive to drivers. Hence the reason Danica Patrick left the INDY racing sport and the stars in NASCAR are typically American born stars, whom people can find it more easy to relate to. In INDY the stars are usually foreign born and come from wealth. NASCAR has prided itself on being the sport of racing for the poor man. Most kids who grew up INDY racing had to have some serious money., not in all cases, but certainly in most cases. NASCAR has helped with incentive programs for young drivers by helping them finance quarter midget cars and learn how to race them and repair and build them. Something that the INDY sport has been lacking. This all makes NASCAR simply a little more popular from week to week. Though don't get me wrong I am a big INDY fan, and in my opinion the Indianapolis 500 trumps the Daytona 500 any year.

[Mopar151]

79. Another reality-free post..... n/t

[asdjrocky]

34. Just one of the hundreds of reasons I don't watch NASCAR. nt

[harun]

45. +1

[Mopar151]

57. I wanna know why...

That so many "liberal", "Progressive" folks decry racisim in all its forms, but can't wait to pile on to a classist "NASCAR bashing" thread.

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

60. so now decrying racism and ignorance is "classist"??

:eyes: I think I can live with your accusation....

[Mopar151]

71. You don't fight ignorance with ignorance....

Or predujice with predujice. Several of the top drivers helped Wendell Scott out a lot behind the scenes - and he'll be in the Hall of Fame soon. Big Bill France did a number of things that were not in the best interest of the sport - might have had something to do with why prototypical redneck Lee Roy Yarborough punched him in the mouth at a Talladega driver's meeting. While you're trying to Google up arguments, look up Joie Ray, Charlie Christian, and Rajo Jack - and find out about some other guys who got raw deals, is spite of acceptance and respect by their fellow competitors.

[Captain Hilts]

67. I don't 'get' it either. nt

[BakedAtAMileHigh]

59. "NASCAR's Darkest Chapter is its Racism" from The Charlotte Post

http://www.thecharlottepost.com/index.php?src=news&srctype=detail&category=Editorials&refno=1397

As we move toward Martin Luther King Day, Barack Obama’s inauguration and the Daytona 500, it’s an appropriate moment to consider the unusual life of another remarkable racial pioneer: NASCAR’s first black driver, the late Wendell Scott.

...


As the growing civil rights struggle in the ‘60s inflamed racial tensions, France reneged on his promise, and a pattern of unfair treatment by NASCAR followed. France denied Scott the rookie-of-the-year award for his first major-league season, even though Scott was the top rookie in the standings. When Scott won his only national race, NASCAR officials, fearing he’d kiss the white trophy queen, declared another driver the victor.

Long after the crowd and the queen had left, NASCAR grudgingly admitted that Scott had won.


For years South Carolina’s major track, Darlington Raceway, banned Scott because he was black. This cost him any chance for sponsorship. France addressed the problem with inaction and silence. When Scott finally asked for help, he said France told him that Darlington was important to NASCAR’s success and Scott should just be patient.

...

At one prestigious NASCAR event, Scott was exploited in a bogus promotional scheme. A record crowd packed Charlotte’s speedway after the promoter announced he’d give Scott his first chance to drive a competitive car. But the car was a phony; its weak performance embarrassed Scott in front of 81,000 spectators.

...

Many of the biased actions toward Scott took place as France was negotiating successfully with Wallace for millions of dollars in state subsidies for a huge new speedway at Talladega. Wallace never would have approved that money if NASCAR’s lone black driver had any chance of winning.
Today, more than 35 years after Scott’s last race, America’s racial situation has improved drastically. But NASCAR remains the country’s least diverse major sport, despite a diversity program launched eight years ago. Every regular driver in NASCAR’s three national series is still a white male.


Some of Scott’s admirers feel that some official recognition for him from NASCAR is long overdue – perhaps at the new hall of fame NASCAR is opening this year, perhaps even a public apology for the bigotry he suffered. Others believe an apology would be quite unlikely, since NASCAR, still owned by the France family, says it knows nothing about any unfair treatment of Scott.

[Captain Hilts]

65. No one gives a shit about NASCAR's sexism. nt

[Captain Hilts]

61. Well, it was the Confederate Capital and I'll bet a lot of folks don't know that. nt

[npk]

69. Do you also torture yourself by watching Fox News

Expecting to hear kind words offered toward the President. I would not find it uncommon to hear a reference to Richmond Virginia being the capital of the confederacy at a NASCAR race in Richmond Virginia. The sport has heavy ties to the deep south. Does it also bother you that many reenactments of the civil war take place in Richmond annually. Boy what passes for outrage these days on DU.

[Mopar151]

72. I'm just glad Howard Cosell never broadcast racing.... n/t

[bvar22]

75. The only thing I found objectionable about this broadcast....

...was the winner of race.

"..and don't criticize what you can't understand."--Bob Dylan

[classysassy]

76. When will the hillbillies(former moonshiners runners)

realize driving souped up cars is not a sport?

[Mopar151]

77. How is it not a sport?

Because it's not a game?

I suppose that you beleive yourself far too intelligent to take part in such a sport. I would suspect that quite the opposite is true....