I was really pulling for Jennifer Brunner for Senate in Ohio, until moments ago...

[WeDidIt]

then I read this:

Brunner says she won’t campaign for Fisher if she loses Tuesday

By Laura A. Bischoff and William Hershey
Columbus Bureau Updated 12:30 AM Sunday, May 2, 2010

COLUMBUS — It’s customary in a primary election for the losing candidate to campaign for their party’s nominee in the fall.

But if she loses Tuesday’s Democratic primary for U.S. Senate, Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner won’t be telling Democrats to vote for the party nominee in November.

Asked by a Dayton Daily News reporter last week how much she would work for Lt. Gov. Lee Fisher if he wins and she loses, Brunner held up her hand and formed a zero.

Her unwillingness to embrace Fisher is indicative of the rancor bubbling in the Democratic Senate race.

<snip>

Link to Dayton Daily News article

Any Democratic Candidate making such a statement prior to the results of a primary is NEVER cool and any candidate doing so deserves to lose.

[joeybee12]

1. Yeah, making that public is not cool...she needs to at least ACT

like a good loser...

[WeDidIt]

2. Bingo

I was telling family in Ohio to go for Brunner. I'm calling them today to tell them about this and why they should now vote for Fisher.

[joeybee12]

5. It's all about appearances...

...oh, and for the good of the party.

[liskddksil]

12. Hold off until you read her side of the story.

[havocmom]

3. Party member UNTIL the party prefers someone else, then shit on party?

Joe Lieberman wanna bee?

We need to support pols who support DEM party and principles.

Think I'll see if I can send a check to Fisher.

[WeDidIt]

4. Yep, I preferred her position on the issues

but this shit is beyond the pale.

[liskddksil]

13. Following the law is not beyond the pale

She is legally forbidden to support Fisher.

[WeDidIt]

26. Tell it to Ken Blackwell.

:eyes:

[laughingliberal]

31. Perhaps we prefer our candidates with more integrity than Blackwell or Harris

This has been her position on all races since she assumed office. It's being pulled out now by her opponent as a last minute dirty trick. Very Rovian of the Fisher campaign AFAIC.

[WeDidIt]

38. Well, I went and donated twice as much to Fisher as I donated to Brunner earlier

and convinced three family members I had earlier convinced to support Brunner to instead throw their support to Fisher.

And I am PROUD that I did.

[laughingliberal]

40. I have no doubt you donated heavily to the DLC candidate. nt

[WeDidIt]

41. I was 100% in support of Brunner

until she went sore loser on the race.

[laughingliberal]

44. I believe her position on endorsements of candidates has been exactly the same throughout her tenure

and is not unique now that she is in a primary race.

[BlooInBloo]

6. Interesting. Wonder if she's a DUer.

[grantcart]

7. DUzy

[Arugula Latte]

37. Screenname "FisherSux"

[Cha]

75. ..

:hi:Arugula~

[Arugula Latte]

82. Cha!

:hi: :hug:

[nykym]

8. She can't endorse him!

Fisher asked Brunner whether she would endorse him if he wins the May 4 primary. Fisher has already pledged to support her if she wins the chance to face Republican Rob Portman in November.

Brunner said she could not endorse any politician because she will remain the state's chief elections officer through the general election.

from cleveland.com link below

http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.ssf/2010/04/secretary_of_state_jennifer_br_2.html

Why do we have to spin own when it isn't necessary!

[Deep13]

9. As Ohio's chief election official, it is illegal for Brunner to campaign for anyone else. nt

[WeDidIt]

27. KEn Blackwell sure as shit campaigned for Bush.

So I'm not buying what you're selling. Show me where they changed the law since 2004.

[laughingliberal]

34. I'm not sure of the law but I do think it shows integrity and this did not just become her position

when she entered this race. She has held to her refusal to endorse candidates all along feeling it was unbecoming of her office.

[Deep13]

42. Um, I'm not selling anything. This is your thread.

And Ken Blackwell isn't exactly a benchmark for campaign ethics.

[aquart]

10. So the MSM and some of DU is for Fisher.

How interesting. This does smell.

[laughingliberal]

46. +1 nt

[rucky]

51. and the DSCC

if that tells you anything

[liskddksil]

11. As Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner is not allowed to and has pledged not to

support anyone running for office She did not endorse Obama, and can not endorse Fisher.

[Sebastian Doyle]

14. Exactly.

She doesn't want to be like that douchebag piece of shit Ken Blackwell and openly shill for a candidate while she's serving as Secretary of State, and ultimately counting the votes.

It's a reasonable response.

[WeDidIt]

28. KEn Blackwell campaigned for Bush in 2004 wild OH SOS

So show me where they changed the law since 2004.

[Doremus]

77. You're not actually holding up Kenny Hackwell as a person to emulate are you?

If so, your standards of integrity are quite low to non-existent.

Ken Hackwell is NO ONE to emulate. In fact, it's a good rule of thumb to find out what Ken Hackwell did and then do the exact opposite because it will invariably be the more honorable thing to do.

[Arkana]

15. Wow. A sore loser before she's even a loser.

E: Well, I understand if she can't openly campaign...I read above that the SoS can't do that.

But to say something like this? Come on now.

[liskddksil]

16. Following the law is not being a sore loser.

[Arkana]

17. Read my edit, please.

[WeDidIt]

29. Ken Blackwell campaigned for Bush in 2004

I've seen nothing to suggest the law was changed since 2004

[CaliforniaPeggy]

18. Here's a link from her committee:

I think this explains her position well:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=285582&mesg_id=286072

I continue to support her.

[suffragette]

19. Thanks for posting that link

It's great to see this addressed quickly and directly and to see Brunner is taking a principled stance on this, as is consistent with everything I've seen about her.

Always been impressed by her and this just adds to it.

[WeDidIt]

32. As I suspected, there is no law compelling her not to campaign for Fisher

Her flippant answer to the question still tells me she is being a sore loser.

I wish I had not donated $50 to her campaign now.

[Doremus]

78. So do I. And our family voting bloc of 4 proud Cuyahoga County Democrats.

:thumbsup:

The state of Ohio will always be in her debt for having the courage to clean up the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections, among other accomplishments. Thank you Jennifer!!!

[mod mom]

20. SHE CAN'T SHE"S SOS. She addressed this in a debate they had and commented that her role as SOS

does not allow her to campaign for other candidates. I'll look for the link.

[mod mom]

21. Here:

Fisher asked Brunner whether she would endorse him if he wins the May 4 primary. Fisher has already pledged to support her if she wins the chance to face Republican Rob Portman in November.
Brunner said she could not endorse any politician because she will remain the state's chief elections officer through the general election.

http://www.cleveland.com/naymik/index.ssf/2010/04/secretary_of_state_jennifer_br_2.html

[sabrina 1]

23. Very disingenuous of FISHER to ask her that question

when she had already addressed it.

This makes MY mind up about who I want to win this primary. I hate dishonesty in politicians, that's what we're trying to get rid of.

She has been a great SOS, cleaning up the cesspool operated by Blackwell, and stopping the Republicans from committing more election fraud by acting quickly and taking them to court every time they tried to pull one of their dirty tricks.

Shame on FISHER for trying to set her up like this. Is HE a Democrat or a DLCer? Two different things imho.

[WeDidIt]

35. SHE CAN, IT'S NOT ILLEGAL

HEr flippant method of answering the quesiton demonstrates she's being a sore loser.

[tkmorris]

47. There's a lot more to right and wrong than just what's legal

The fact that she has moral standards that go beyond what the law requires further solidifies my belief in the strength of her character.

[depakid]

67. Ethics isn't something most people think of right away- and not surprising, as one rarely see it

in the United States- and you certainly won't find any on the corporate media with the exception of Rachel Maddow.

[Botany]

22. screw you and this two bit hit piece

As Sec. of State she can't work for Fisher.

[WeDidIt]

33. BULLSHIT

She sure as shit can. There is no law saying she cannot.

She came out to save face AFTER the fact.

[Botany]

43. facts

1) I really do know Jenny Brunner
2) In 2006* she promised that as Sec. of State she would be netural in ANY race when she
was Sec. of State. 2006 is before 2010 so anything she says now is not after the fact
3) This is not about the law but about what Jennifer has publicly promised to do.
4) For Fisher to bring this up now tells me that he* wants to "muddy up" Brunner.

shame on you posting this "hit piece" ...... don't put bullshit on toast and tell me to eat up
because it is just "country style apple butter."


* 2006 November Brunner acceptance speech .... I was there do you want a link to what she said?

[laughingliberal]

48. +1000

Makes Fisher look more like a DINO as far as I'm concerned. Republican style dirty tricks. No, thanks!

[WeDidIt]

49. "she would be netural in ANY race"

She is not neutral in the Democratic primary for US Senate. Under the standard you cite above, she should have resigned as SOS before seeking the Democratic nomination for Senate.

Screw her.

[Botany]

57. Screw her

you have no shame

[WeDidIt]

62. Jennifer Brunner has no shame

HAd she meant what she put out when she back pedaled from her flippant gesture, she could ahve said that instead of making a flippant gesture.

[Junkdrawer]

52. +1000

[tkmorris]

24. You should be ashamed of yourself

Of course if you aren't already you won't be over this either. You KNOW she can't endorse a candidate or campaign for one. The reasons for that are readily obvious to anyone who cares, have been posted on DU numerous times, and have been posted right here in this thread at least twice. I suggest a mea culpa is called for here.

[WeDidIt]

36. Tell it to Kos

I got the link to the story from their FRONT PAGE story:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/5/2/862942/-OH-Sen:-Brunner-Plans-to-Be-a-Sore-Loser

And there is NO LAW on Ohio books saying she cannot endorse a candidate.

NONE

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

55. Factual Question: Did she endose Obama?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

63. Anyone?

[laughingliberal]

64. I'll play. She did not. She has not ever endorsed a single candidate during her tenure as SOS.

But you won't get an answer from the OP on this I'm quite sure.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

66. Thanks. That makes a difference.

[suffragette]

25. So WeDidIt, now that this has been debunked

are you back to pulling for Brunner?

[BeFree]

30. Well...

...if it doesn't come back and eat its words, it probably is just a joker.

We shall see.

[Name removed]

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[Sebastian Doyle]

56. You must not be familiar with his posts.

If there's a DLC'er running against a Democrat, he's always shilling for the DLC'er.

Of course, that's what Rahm pays him to do, so it's not entirely shocking.

[suffragette]

58. Just thought I'd hold him to the way he presented

the situation in the OP.

Not surprised at all by the result - crickets!

[WeDidIt]

59. I'm calling you out on this

Bakc it up or retract it.

Do it. Post ONE LINK where I do what you claim.

[Sebastian Doyle]

61. When have you ever had a good thing to say about actual Democrats?

Let's take your psychotic obsession with Dennis Kucinich, for example.

[WeDidIt]

65. Classic redirect

Provide the link or retract your bullshit.

[Sebastian Doyle]

74. This entire thread is based on you bashing a good Democrat

based on a blatant falsehood.

Gonna try to deny that too?

[WeDidIt]

81. This entire thread is based upon a news article from a reputable source

demonstrating one of the two Democratic Candidates for the US Senate in Ohio is a SORE LOSER!

[WeDidIt]

60. Nothing was debunked

Brunner back pedaled on her flippant gesture.

[suffragette]

68. Brunner said she had addressed this at the debate

And so she did:

http://www.cantonrep.com/election/x1089267636/Ohio-s-U-S-Senate-hopefuls-Brunner-Fisher-debate
Fisher, given the chance to question Brunner directly before a banquet hall crowd of about 400, asked why she hasn’t offered to support him if he wins the nomination.

Brunner said her role as Ohio’s elections chief requires her neutrality to avoid the appearance of partisan bias. “I’ve never endorsed a candidate yet the whole time I’ve been secretary of state,” she said later.


Botany noted above that she has consistently taken this stance since 2006 and offered to provide you with that info.


That seems to debunk it pretty clearly to me.

IF you were so strongly in favor of her and that was the main factor giving you pause, I would think the evidence would be sufficient for you to resume your support of her.

[WeDidIt]

69. In an after the fact back pedal

because her flippant "zero" gesture demonstrated her being a sore loser.

Sorry if you don't like it, but three votes that had been solid behind Brunner will now go to Fisher over that one gesture.

I'm certain they will not be the only three.

[suffragette]

72. The debate was in mid-April. So she said this before the

incident depicted in the OP.

Not after - before!

And again, Botany has offered to provide you with info showing she addressed this all the way back in 2006 in a consistent manner.

Again, that would be - before.

[WeDidIt]

80. She made the flippant gesture YESTERDAY

Had she been standing on principal, she should have answered that way. Instead, she made a flippant gesture demonstrating she's a SORE LOSER!

Then she backpedaled to her stock answer from the debate.

Fuck that shit. Had she truly meant what she said, she would have resigned as SOS when she decided to run for the Senate. I gave her a pass on that shit. I won't give her a pass on the flippant gesture.

[mod mom]

71. fact...don't let them get in the way of an agenda.

:sarcasm:

[suffragette]

73. I know - facts are so boring, aren't they?

Especially when they show the same consistent stance, over and over and over...

:)

[Lady President]

39. Sour Grapes

Sorry, but I'm not buying the excuse her people are sending out now. If she would have said immediately that she was not able to support anyone because she is SOS, I would have completely respected her. Instead, she made a zero sign with her hand which was completely unprofessional and childish. Plus, she has been complaining that the Party hasn't been supporting her. If she wanted Party support, then it seems like the her supposed ethical stance only goes one way.

For the record, I've met her and she is undeniably bright. She has done a lot as SOS, and I think she would have had the Party support for any role, if she would have stayed SOS another term.

[WeDidIt]

50. Bingo!

She is better than Fisher on the issues by a long shot, but character counts for a lot.

I'd no sooner support her for anything now than I would Joe Lieberman.

[liberal_at_heart]

53. If she doesn't believe he would be a good Senator then she shouldn't endorse him

How many in the democratic party would have continued to endorse Leiberman if he had continued to be a democrat? Just because you are a democrat does not mean you should automatically get endorsed.

[Corey_Baker08]

54. I Will Be Voting For SOS Brunner Tomorrow Yet I Will Support Whoever The Democratic Candidate Is!!!

We have a unique opportunity right here in Ohio to pick up a US Senate Seat and with a little hard work I am optimistic we will.

[Marr]

70. Sure you were.

As smears go, this is a pretty damn low... but I'm not surprised.

[saltpoint]

76. I hope if Fisher wins Brunner will reconsider.

[Doremus]

79. Unrecommended for the thinly veiled attempt it is. nt