What can we tell of the 'shirt man' (possible suspect) on the NY video?

[skip fox]

1.) He seems rather collected, cool.

2.) He may have planned to change shirts (rather than it just being too warm) because he brought a bag so that he could put the shirt in.

2b.) He is wearing two tea shirts, one over the other, which might be slightly unusual, which also indicates a 'planned change.'

3.) He seems to be wearing work books or heavy footwear.

4.) He seems agile, not stiff. Therefore, he may be in good shape, work out, be younger than supposed, or be a working man.

5.) He seems to know exactly what he is doing. He doesn't even touch the post (fingerprints).

6.) He seems in a moderate hurry (maybe NY pace) and not in an undue rush.

By the way, some reports have come out that say this man might be the same man on the tourist's video that depicted a man running north on Broadway shortly after the firecrackers went off in teh SUV.

Of course he may not have anything to do with it.

[virgogal]

1. Everything is just speculation right now,but isn't it fun?

[skip fox]

3. I'm not denying that it's fun. But it might also be useful. Herewith my McVeigh-NY bomber parallels:

Parallels between NY City attempted bombing and Timothy McVeigh’s bombing:

The botched NY bombing shares a number of striking parallels with the Timothy McVeigh bombing in Oklahoma City beside the obvious vehicle-building-walk-cooly-away narrative . . . although that, in itself, is very compelling–the botched bomber replicating the act of his (or her?) hero in broad strokes. But there seem to be a couple light strokes as well.

The botched bomber placed eight bags of fertilizer which the investigators say was non-explosive, into a gun box. If he knew the fertilizer was useless, it would be a clear homage to McVeigh. (The gun box being a tip of the hat to McVeigh's military background.) (If he didn't know this it could still be an homage, hoping to replicate his hero's methods as closely as possible.)

The NY attempted bomber locked the van's doors, leaving the keys inside. Some accounts say McVeigh left the keys in the Ryder's cab and locked the doors. (I think the case is that he took the keys, but there is no accounting where these people get their information. Source: http://history1900s.about.com/cs/crimedisaster/p/okcitybombing.htm)

Fireworks went off in the NY van alerting vendors. The attempted bomber appeared to be inept in a number of ways, so it is not likely that the clock set off the fireworks. It is more likely that he lit a long fuse. Similarly, McVeigh lit two fuses just before he left the Ryder.


Additionally, MSNBC played a show based on The McVeigh Tapes: Confessions of an American Terrorist on the 19th of April.

I could be way off, but if I was leading the investigation I'd be putting resources into this question, hoping to find him before he is successful with his homicidal intentions.


Therefore, in an investiation taking these matters seriously:

I’d look into far-right web/hate sites, those where McVeigh is discussed glowingly. Maybe Free Republic.

Since the person’s issues were important enough to kill for, I think his alignment to McVeigh would be apparent in his screen name (anagram of “Timothy McVeigh”? a character’s name in The Turner Diaries?)

I'd look very closely at those who passionately referenced MSNBC’s April 19th The McVeigh Tapes: those who ranted against MSNBC's commentary and/or those who relished new McVeigh quotes from the tapes.

I’d perhaps put some resources looking into the extreme fringe of the Tea Party, but I think the far-right hate sites would be more fruitful . . . (In which case the FBI should soon be onto him . . . or her!)

[secondwind]

8. as a lifelong New Yorker, I can tell you that there is always somebody stopping

to take a jacket or sweater or something off, New Yorks go out in the a.m. and they layer. Lots of New Yorkers carry backpacks with bottled water, energy bars, and even clothing.

I've seen this tape 2 or 3 times, and it just doesn't look suspicious to me. His looking back may have just been to see if he left anything behind.

[skip fox]

9. of course

Probably just another citizen.

But we have only so much info and need to analyse what we have. (No need to hang the man, just find out who he is if we can and clear him. But we should analyze.)

[dipsydoodle]

2. Probably

Male.

[skip fox]

4. Yes. The obvious should never be skipped or looked over!

good point.

And he appears to be alone, at least at this time.

[kctim]

5. What can we tell?

That profiling isn't bad as long as it points to who we want it to point to.

[ScreamingMeemie]

6. A guy on the street taking his shirt off because it is hot. What is your

point with all of the posts besides helping the media do their job in a rush to answer? I don't see any moderate rush. In fact I thought he was moving rather slow for someone that's been labeled furtive.

[skip fox]

7. Good point about speed,

otherwise what I'm doing is thinking and speculating with whatever fact I can get. Why?

My nature.

(Years ago a grad student and I fought Ken Starr about the so called "Talking Points memo" that impeded Starr's push to impeach Clinton. It was me and Jack Gillis who waged war over the net and ended up on CNN, a dozen radio programs--including Pacifica Radio--as well as having columns written on our work by Joe Conason, Tom Oliphant, etc. . . . So, my postings of such nature is based on the belief that all of us can contribute. That we need not be passive consumers of news but can aid in our complete understanding of what might be happening.)

[ScreamingMeemie]

10. I really think that this is just a guy, taking his shirt off on a warm

day. I can't even really see the "looking back at the vehicle" going on. It looks to me like he is just looking around. I hate our media, and the police, for releasing this. We have learned nothing, as a society, from the destruction of Richard Jewell.

[safeinOhio]

13. If so the person would surely turn himself in.

That is what officials are asking. To not do so would increase suspicion. Being in the area at the same time would have most people watching the news about it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

14. "To not do so would increase suspicion."

In the minds of those hungry to nab someone in this. There is an extremely high chance the man is not even aware he's the subject of a media and society fueled "manhunt".

[skip fox]

15. I'm just analyzine the video (as a cop might). Not drawing conclusions.

The odds, actually, are that it is not the failed bomber. But with the paucity of information at this time, one can analyze the information available which may be of some use.

I am not after this man. Could care less, as they say. Yet, if such analysis might help . . .

[librechik]

11. if he wanted to change his appearance, why do it right there by the truck?

also, he looks back at the truck when he leaves, is that suspicious?

[skip fox]

16. It think he's 1/2 to 1 block away when the changing occurs.

n/t

[barbiegeek]

12. Is the Manhatten sewer bombings related to this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/exploding-manholes-rock-n_n_561286.html