Ok so you want to boycott

[nadinbrzezinski]

the bad boy of the day. I wish it was that simple but I figured here is a list of petroleum based products.

So you can boycott in fullness.

Realize this list is far from complete...

ammonia
anesthetics
antifreeze
antihistamines
antiseptics
artificial limbs
artificial turf
aspirin
awnings
balloons
ballpoint pens
bandages
basketballs
bearing grease
bicycle tires
boats
cameras
candles
car battery cases
car enamel
cassettes
caulking
cd player
cd's
clothes
clothesline
cold cream
combs
cortisone
crayons
curtains
dashboards
denture adhesive
dentures
deodorant
detergents
dice
diesel
dishes
dishwasher
dresses
drinking cups
dyes
electric blankets
electrician's tape
enamel
epoxy
eyeglasses
fan belts
faucet washers
fertilizers
fishing boots
fishing lures
fishing rods
floor wax
folding doors
food preservatives
football cleats
football helmets
footballs
footballs
gasoline
glycerin
golf bags
golf balls
guitar strings
hair coloring
hair curlers
hand lotion
heart valves
house paint
ice chests
ice cube trays
ink
insect repellent
insecticides
life jackets
linings
linoleum
lipstick
luggage
model cars
mops
motor oil
motorcycle helmet
movie film
nail polish
nylon rope
oil filters
paint
paint brushes
paint rollers
panty hose
parachutes
percolators
perfumes
petroleum jelly
pillows
plastic wood
purses
putty
refrigerant
refrigerators
roller skates
roofing
rubber cement
rubbing alcohol
safety glasses
shag rugs
shampoo
shaving cream
shoe polish
shoes
shower curtains
skis
slacks
soap
soft contact lenses
solvents
speakers
sports car bodies
sun glasses
surf boards
sweaters
synthetic rubber
telephones
tennis rackets
tents
tires
toilet seats
tool boxes
tool racks
toothbrushes
toothpaste
transparent tape
trash bags
tv cabinets
umbrellas
upholstery
vaporizers
vitamin capsules
water pipes
wheels
yarn

Second list found on Gasprices-usa.com:

air conditioners
ammonia
anti-histamines
antiseptics
artificial turf
asphalt
aspirin
balloons
bandages
boats
bottles
bras
bubble gum
butane
cameras
candles
car batteries
car bodies
carpet
cassette tapes
caulking
cds
chewing gum
combs/brushes
computers
contacts
cortisone
crayons
cream
denture adhesives
deodorant
detergents
dice
dishwashing liquid
dresses
dryers
electric blankets
electrician’s tape
fertilizers
fishing lures
fishing rods
floor wax
footballs
glues
glycerin
golf balls
guitar strings
hair
hair coloring
hair curlers
hearing aids
heart valves
heating oil
house paint
ice chests
ink
insect repellent
insulation
jet fuel
life jackets
linoleum
lip balm
lipstick
loudspeakers
medicines
mops
motor oil
motorcycle helmets
movie film
nail polish
oil filters
paddles
paint brushes
paints
parachutes
paraffin
pens
perfumes
petroleum jelly
plastic chairs
plastic cups
plastic forks
plastic wrap
plastics
plywood adhesives
refrigerators
roller-skate wheels
roofing paper
rubber bands
rubber boots
rubber cement
rubbish bags
running shoes
saccharine
seals
shirts (non-cotton)
shoe polish
shoes
shower curtains
solvents
spectacles
stereos
sweaters
table tennis balls
tape recorders
telephones
tennis rackets
thermos
tights
toilet seats
toners
toothpaste
transparencies
transparent tape
tv cabinets
typewriter/computer ribbons
tires
umbrellas
upholstery
vaporizers
vitamin capsules
volleyballs
water pipes
water skis
wax
wax paper

This is why WE NEED a full social change and go for renewable resources. Oh and for the moment, do me a favor and recycle as much as you can.

[emilyg]

1. k/r

[Ron Green]

2. These things don't all have to be made from petroleum.

They CAN be, but they don't have to be.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. But they are, and that is the point

can they be made of other stuff? Absolutely, take paint for example. We could make it out of egg wall white as a base... but we won't... it lasts a lot less and colors are less vibrant and most people want vibrant colors. We can use beeswax candles, or collect the parafin and make our own candles... there are ways... but it will take changes at a policy level.

This mess might give the political backbone to do that... but until then.

[madmax]

3. There ya go again, nadine

making everything so damn difficult. ;)

Devoted recycler.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. The people at the market look at me strange

those baggies at the market, the ones we all collect sooner or later. I use them and reuse them until they fall apart.

[madmax]

8. I'm a garbage picker

Just can't resist something free at the curb to fix up and use for it's original intended purpose or put it to another good use. Can't do with the spouse in the car - he gets embarrassed. Told him to suck it up!

Bought a bunch of fabric grocery bags. Much, much better than plastic and better for the planet. It's a win-win.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. I use the fabric ones

but we still get some of those things regardless...

[liberal_at_heart]

6. I'm not saying I would boycott

You couldn't possibly boycott all of those things. But we can make gas one less thing on that list. They have lost a lot of money just by having stock holders such as myself sell their stocks. The company lost about 20% of their value due to stockholders selling their shares. Believe me they are getting what they deserve. The government may not hold them accountable but the stockholders will. That is one of the few redeming qualities of the stock market. It can punish a compnay just as swiftly as it can reward them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Now selling stock is one kid of boycott that does

get their attention.

but that is a whole different kettle of fish.

[ThoughtCriminal]

10. Something like 70-80% of Petroleum production is for fuel

Plastics around 3%. What this means is that a boycott that ignores plastic is not really very significant. Fuel conservation on the other hand can make a difference.

[liberal_at_heart]

11. It is possible to do. People did it when gas got up to $4 a gallon.

That is what they call the demand side of supply and demand. If the demand goes down the supply goes up and they lose money. It is possible.

[ThoughtCriminal]

12. I think we will be back there this summer

Maybe even $5-$6. Pocket books will matter more than ideology.

My wording was a bit poor. What I am saying is that it really does not matter if a boycott includes or excludes plastics. Fuel is where the demand matters.

[BeFree]

15. Yeah

You're making sense. Fuel is the biggest seller and the most consumptive and the most problematic.

Boycotting gas as much as we possibly can will send a message. Profits they understand.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. How many of those people didn't drive due to lack of job?

We were at the depth of this crisis.

So we really do not know if that is a good example. 1973 oil crunch is better, but still the evidence is not clear. That said, that worked because it WASN'T The US... it was Western Democracies.

But hey, whatever, go and boycott. You'll feel better.

Me looking for the social and systemic changes that we need, the ones that will move us away from our dependence on oil, and move on to a post oil civilization

Of course if this is worst case scenario, as a few outliers in the sciences are suggesting... well we will become the oil for ANOTHER civilization to use in 70 million years or so.

Hey mommy the preacher said today in school that we walked along side humans...

Silly child...

[liberal_at_heart]

21. Why must you belittle others ideas?

If you don't want to boycott then don't. But you don't have to put down others who want to. I agree we must find social and systematic changes. We also need the consumer to put pressure on industry. Why does everybody on this board think that their way is the only way? Geez. The only way we are able to really start discussing alternative energies is because of the consumer. The Prius for example was a big wake up call to the car industry and to the whole country. Our American car companies are still trying to catch up in the alternative fuel car industry. Toyota is so far ahead of them. It is the consumer that made that happen.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. We live in an oil civilization

It goes well beyond gas, not belittling

You walk to work, you are walking on oil products

You eat, it is oil based, you dress, there's oil in it

It is touching every aspect of your life, why we need policy level changes and it is time people realize this is not that simple We are an oil civilization. This is the age of oil.

Peak oil is not just gas...

[liberal_at_heart]

24. Well then what you are talking about is technology

And technology moves at the speed of light. I'm sure there will be more enviornmentally friendly manufacturing materials in the future especially if we demand it. Look at the housing industry. There are many houses and commercial buildings now made from enviornmentally friendly material. The industry will follow the consumer.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. No, the Industry is following policy

for the moment you dress in oil, you eat oil and you drive on oil, as well as eat it.

But the changes we need require a POLICY LEVEL decision to transfer from the Age of Oil to something else.

Oh and realize that the Green Revolution absolutely depends on oil, so rates of grain production, for example, may plummet. which will lead to mass starvation. As is millions die every year from it anyway... but it just may go up.

Ain't policy a bitch? But that is what needs to happen.

You have a role... but this is not Colstone Creamery, so a narrow boycott does not work.

By the way I have been in the use, reuse, recycle band wagon for a while now. But it is not a boycott...

[BeFree]

23. You want us to move...

...but then you say don't make a move. That's is some head-banging logic you are displaying.

If someone reduces their oil consumption they usually either give up what they did or they find an alternative. Duh.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. What part of policy level

are you missing

boycott ain't the solution

by the way you can start by turning the puter off, oil based, growing your own food, and make sure you use manure and not insecticides. i could go on.

You want to make a difference Join the Sierra Club, WRITE your reps, yes reduce what you want or can. Recycle But a narrow focus don't work When I buy gas it don't matter where, guess what... there is BP on it.

We need to change the nature of the economy and the society. A narrow based boycott against a transnational don't work. This is not Coldstone Creamery after all.

What works is POLITICAL PRESSURE or if you own stock, SELL

[taterguy]

13. When gas was $4 a gallon, people lost jobs and didn't drive to work

I'm not sure how many people changed their habits.

They just didn't have as many places they needed/wanted to go.

[pangaia]

14. HAIR!!

Hair, No way am I giving up my hair, man! :scared:

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Talking of artificial whigs

[lonestarnot]

17. Snort.

:spray: :rofl:

[cwydro]

19. Aren't you the one

who is all up in arms all the time about high fructose corn syrup?

Geez...is that in that list? And if not, well why the HELL not? Lmao.

But we should not care about drilling for crude...

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Is HFCS oil based?

No.

IT is a PLANT product... but I am sure you knew that.

As to care about drilling for oil, yes you should care. Realize though that the problem is far more complex than just not going into a BP gas station. I can and I know I will. Mostly I don't. But I am not delusional to think that the gas I put in my car did not come from a BP well. Oil is fungible, and BP may extract what Exxon processes and then I put into my tank at the PX... or whatever gas station I happen to go to outside of the PX.

The solution to something as complex as our civilization, which DEPENDS ON IT... are not in a boycott, but quite frankly at a very high government policy level. Be prepared to fight, but the fight is actually in the Halls of Congress.

[Subdivisions]

20. Coincidentally, that's the same list that we'll be forced to consider as

oil production accelerates it's now 5-year long decline.

[Bluenorthwest]

28. Yarn. You claim all yarn is made of petrol.

Even the wool yarn?
Most petrol like 70 or 80% goes to fuel, gasoline. It is hard for you SoCal dependents to imagine it, but using less gas is what has to happen. Big changes, but they are not only policy changes, but personal that must take place. How many miles do you drive in a month? What is accomplished with that fuel burning? Could it be done elsewhere without so much used? Why is cutting back on burning gasoline so absurd to you, while you wail over grocery bags? My market uses bags that go into the compost. So that and the fabrics ones, that problem is done. For us. But back to all that gas you use. How many autos in your household per person? What kind of MPG? How far is your commute? Would you take public transportation under any circumstances?
Less than 200 miles a month here, and my food is all made of food, not oil, as are my cloths and shoes.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. What do sheep eat?

That said, there is yarn, hell I even own a sweater or two, that is made of polyester fibers. Now my chemistry might be off, but what do you think polyester is coming from? There are a few others in the same category.

Now back to sheep.

What do they eat? And what do we use to fertilize the fields sheep live on. I am not talking of small operations, by the way. But if you answered pesticides and fertilizers, both are made of oil. How do you get that yarn to market? Trucks... what do they use to run those engines?

Thank you.

It is time you and I and everybody else connects the dots and realizes just how full of oil our life happens to be. I am willing to bet, that unless you lived away in the mountains, and were fully self sufficient, you cannot go through the day without touching a product dependent on our oil civilization. Hell, you are doing it right now... both our of our computers are what 90 percent oil? I am allowing for the metals in the circuitry. And probably it is higher than 90 percent, but obviously less than one hundred... see metals.

[TexasObserver]

30. Boycott BP, not the entire industry.

No one has suggested otherwise, except those who can't seem to understand the concept of boycotting a known violator of safe practices.

This is not a new concept. Sometimes responsible citizens attempt to communicate their displeasure with irresponsible corporate citizens. They use something called a "boycott." Look it up. It's in all the dictionaries.