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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:34 AM
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Obama FCC Expected to Abandon Net Neutrality, Universal Internet
by Josh Silver

On Sunday, the Washington Post reported that the Federal Communications Commission is expected to abandon its pledges to protect Net Neutrality and to ensure universal, affordable broadband. The story cites anonymous insiders confirming that FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski is "leaning toward" siding with the most powerful phone and cable lobbyists on a crucial decision: whether the FCC will have any authority to protect an open Internet and make it available to all.

It is a testament to the phone and cable industry's overwhelming influence that they seem to have convinced the nation's communications agency to swear off authority to protect Americans' right to open communications. But it is stunning that Genachowski would even contemplate allowing it to stand, given President Obama's repeated pledge to ensure fast, affordable, universal Internet broadband for every American.

So what's going on here?

In early April, a a federal appeals court ruled that, based on decisions by the Bush-era FCC, the agency lacks the authority to regulate broadband providers. In so doing, the court effectively handed control of the Internet to companies like Comcast, AT&T and Verizon -- allowing them to slow down or block any website, any blog post, any tweet, any outreach by a congressional campaign. The FCC no longer has the power to stop them.

Fortunately, the FCC does have the power to easily fix the problem by "reclassifying" broadband under the law. All it would take is a vote by its five commissioners -- and Genachowski already has the votes. But so far, he has done nothing, while proponents of Net Neutrality (the principle that prevents providers from indiscriminately blocking or slowing Internet content) have been watching and waiting with bated breath.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/05/04-5
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:40 AM
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1. If Obama knows what's good for him
That is, if Obama knows that that Net neutrality put him in office as much as anything else--he'll get his fixed FAST.

:scared:
rocktivity
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:58 AM
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9. What's good for Wall Street and corporate America is good for President Obama
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:16 AM
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23. For one term, anyway.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:40 AM
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2. Sometimes it is stunning what this administration is doing
I find them to be very much like Clinton, talking a good progressive/Democratic game, but all the while they're following a corporatist agenda.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:43 AM
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5. Do we even know this as fact yet?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:41 AM
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3. if "net neutrality" works anything like the way I'm forced to pay for Benny Hinn if I want cable...
I do not want. Sorry. :shrug:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:55 AM
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7. Fortunately for you, you're way off base.
Net neutrality only means that data on the network is trated equally regardless of its origination point or its destination. Without net neutrality (for example), web sites that are hosted on servers owned by company X would be "asked" to remove posts critical of company X, Company X would be able to throttle (severely slow down) content originating with subscribers of Company Y, sites like Daily Kos and this one might be asked to pay extra to Company X (and perhaps Companies Y and Z) for users to access the site at full speed, etc.

Net neutrality keeps the playing field level for all, so your monthly internet access fee gets you the whole internet as fast as you are able to access it without outside interference. Do you want to pay $5 extra a month for games, $5 extra for news sites, $5 extra for blogs, etc.? Then get rid of net neutrality.

This is a big, wet kiss to companies like Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, etc., and you better believe that as soon as it is abandoned, they will be making efforts to scrub from the web information critical of them that flows over their networks, either by throttling the speed at which those servers hosting that content can serve the content, or by requiring an "access fee" that those blogs and websites simply cannot pay.

This will kill the internet as we know it.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:00 AM
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10. Wait a minute. What about stuff like bit torrent, streaming movies (over commercial services) etc.?
There is a fundamental question of fairness: why should a person be forced to subsidize p2p sharing, or you watching Netflix streaming movies? If the internet is a public service, let it be made public.

What I object to is that assertion that I must subsidize your economic activity; if it costs more money to stream from Netflix, why shouldn't you have to pay for it? Why should I bear some of your cost as a price of using the internet?
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:03 AM
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15. There's tons and tons of bandwidth available, don't know why streaming is an issue
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:42 AM
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32. That bandwidth is "available" because all customers are required to pay upwards of $60/month
regardless of how much they use.

Why shouldn't Granny get cheaper internet that doesn't include p2p? She needs to pay more so that World of Warcraft, Itunes TV shows, and Hulu stay cheap? I don't see the case here. The big drivers in bandwidth are all commercial in nature; you need bandwidth then you should pay for it!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 12:01 PM
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37. You're missing the point; currently, the network itself doesn't care.
Edited on Tue May-04-10 12:04 PM by Occulus
It's as fair as it is possible to be right now, which is why the network owners don't like it: all data is treated the same; if there's a problem, the internet routes around it. That's how it's designed, and for very good reason. "Economic activity" does not- and should not- be allowed to enter into the equation; that way lies madness.

Your objections are precisely why I found a provider that offers no data download limit- I download over two dozen gigabytes every time I reinstall my OS. Most of that is games, the first Ubuntu update, software demos, and the like. I download most of it through Valve's Steam distribution platform. What do you think would happen to their (and EA's, and Stardock's Impule) online distribution platform if net neutrality disappeared? What about linux, and its absolute need to distribute online?

What this would ultimately amount to is a requirement for each website that wants to be seen to have to pay an "access fee" of some sort to Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, and on and on, either directly or via increased hosting fees. These fees would have to be provided to all the big players, in order for everyone to still be able to view the content and those that didn't pay it (or refused to) would see their content "disappeared" to certain internet users (who would probably see a simple 404 Not Found for their trouble).

None of that, by the way, addresses the idea of deliberate censorship on the part of the media companies who would be the ultimate deciders of any pricing policy. They could very easily kill Kos and this site and the online presence of Greenpeace if they decided to disallow them on their networks. Right now, that decision doesn't really exist because of net neutrality.

In the end, the internet would still be full of content, but you won't be allowed to see some of it because the access fees haven't been paid or the network owner doesn't like the site or whatever other reason. I know that's a doom-and-gloom picture, but that's what will happen if we don't keep net neutrality.

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:18 AM
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51. Electronic Arts, Stardock, and Steam are all COMMERCIAL services. That is precisely the point.
"I download over two dozen gigabytes every time I reinstall my OS. Most of that is games, the first Ubuntu update, software demos, and the like. I download most of it through Valve's Steam distribution platform. What do you think would happen to their (and EA's, and Stardock's Impule) online distribution platform if net neutrality disappeared? What about linux, and its absolute need to distribute online?"

What about people like my mom, who couldn't afford broadband for years on the $60/month take it or leave it basis it is offered on? I guarantee she doesn't know what Ubuntu or Stardock is. Why should EA and Valve's desire to make money be a barrier of entry to the internet for her?

Neither she nor any of your neighbors should be forced to offset any of the expense for your to use Steam (I use Steam too, for what it's worth.)

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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 09:54 PM
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47. And how do you feel about single payer health care?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:19 AM
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52. Strongly in favor. This "net neutrality" is closer to Obama's triangulated "HCR"--mandated private
purchases so that companies like Electronic Arts don't have to pay the full costs of their distribution model... :shrug:
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:01 AM
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11. Actual Obama Basher quote "....facts are wrong..."
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:42 AM
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4. The new 'bidness friendly' Democratic party? nt
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:51 AM
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6. I'm starting to believe the president is following a script written before he ran.
Edited on Tue May-04-10 10:53 AM by whatchamacallit
At this point the main difference between democrats and republicans is republicans talk crazier.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:18 AM
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26. So am I. And it would explain much about his fast-track to the WH.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:47 AM
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34. Here is my thought
Corporate front man. He gets rich and famous and the corporations get richer and more powerful.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 01:08 PM
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38. To be fair, however, that is applicable to any "electable" prez candidate
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 09:48 PM
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45. Absolutely
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:57 AM
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8. You know, I've never liked the idea of the FCC controlling the Internet anyway.
The FCC has been used by various government leaders, almost since its inception, as a tool to enforce whatever morality they were peddling on any medium they controlled. Remember the bans and threats of major fines that drove music like 2LiveCrew off the airways in the late 80's and early 90's? Or how about Janet Jacksons breast, which lead to more than $4 million in fines and lawsuit settlements? Do we really want THAT agency in charge of regulating the Internet?

Whether or not we like it, there WILL be another conservative majority elected at some point in the future. Maybe not this election, or the next, but it will eventually happen. I don't want them to have any authority over what we say, do, and see online.

And don't think that it can't happen. There were several attempts to ban porn and other Internet content in the 1990's that fizzled, in large part because of unanswered questions on authority. Give them authority, and you can bet real money that they'll start trying again.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:07 AM
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16. Think more how they regulate landline based telephony
not content. The question was the FCC rethinking the Bush era designation of the Internet as an information provider rather than as a network on which the information passes.

The fact is that the bit torrent problem could be handled under either designation. There is no reason that under regulation the only fee has to be unlimited service.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:29 AM
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28. But even looking that way, you find issues.
About 10 years ago the FCC attempted to implement manadatory wiretapping standards for ISP's under the authority of the old wiretapping laws meant for phone lines. A judge later threw out that order, stating that the FCC has declared the Internet to be an information provider, which was not covered. While several laws since (including the Patriot Act) have restored some Internet wiretapping authority to the FCC, it is still very limited.

By granting the FCC the authority to regulate the Internet as a network, you are also pulling it under the authority of CALEA, which will restore full wiretap access to them. Remember the wiretap controversy from a few years ago? That could be extended, in the future, to cover more than just phone calls.

So, no, I don't trust the FCC. Never have, never will.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:34 AM
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31. the decision not to treat ISPs as subject to Title II regulation goes back to 1998
For the record, the decision during the bush years to classify Internet service as an information service rather than as a Title II service really just carried forward a policy articulated by the FCC during the Clinton administration. In 1998, the FCC had the following to say about the regulatory status of ISPs: "...we find that Internet service providers generally do not provide
telecommunications. Our analysis, we believe, reflects a consistent approach that will
safeguard the current and future provision of universal service to all Americans, and will
achieve the Congressionally-specified goals of a 'pro-competitive, deregulatory
communications policy.'"

http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Reports/fcc98067.pdf
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:55 AM
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36. Thanks for the correction
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:02 AM
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12. As I read it, unnamed sources say "leaning toward".
I'll believe it if I see it.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:10 AM
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19. Standard trial balloon. Just like they were "leaning toward" abandoning the Public Option.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:15 AM
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22. +1
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:02 AM
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13. k&R yet another betrayal
a radio program about a month or so ago saying the White House web site had ominously dropped mention of some crucial provision re: this issue, whereas it had previously upheld the campaign promises
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:09 AM
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17. Sorry, but this is not just "another betrayal". This is Obama putting an end to democracy.
They want the internet turned into the equivalent of pay cable tv. And we know how well that turned out.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:11 AM
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20. you're right; "another betrayal" doesn't begin to capture what's occurring
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:17 AM
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25. It ought to be like the TELEPHONE: UNIVERSAL, and transmitting ANY message.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:03 AM
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14. I feel so hopeful! n/t
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:09 AM
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18. Obama continues to act like a Clinton-Republican
Happy now corporate Dems?
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:13 AM
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21. Obama governs to the right of Nixon
just look at the HCR debacle; Nixon's proposals were actually more progressive
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:23 AM
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27. Nixon [gulp] did a lot, and wanted to fight the drug war...
...with treatment centers for addicts. :head in hands:
Obama is to the right of Goldwater and the TV media airs the goats that bleat of his socialism.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:29 AM
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29. "socialism" == "untrammeled, un-regulated, neo-liberal capitalism"
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:54 AM
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35. upi402 = no party
The "Democratic" Party left me for the rich guy with the flashy BMW.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:11 PM
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40.  by abandoning democratic (lower case 'd') principles
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 02:22 PM
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39. I feel a little compassion for the Big Dog.
His title of "Best Republican President Ever" is in jeopardy.

"2nd Best Republican President Ever" doesn't have near the glamor.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:12 PM
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41. LOL!
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:17 AM
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24. for all those in a lather about the end of democracy
Congress could change the regulatory status of the Internet if they wanted to. Chances are they don't. And chances are they don't want the FCC to do so either.

Leaving aside the issue of whether an FCC decision reversing course on the regulatory classification of Internet service would stand up in court and/or have all sorts of unintended consequences.

Bottom line -- the reason Genachowski seems to be rethinking how to respond to the Comcast case ruling is that it turns out to be a lot more complicated for the FCC to reverse that order than some are suggesting.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:32 AM
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30. FUCK FACTS!!! /sarcasm
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 09:17 PM
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44. Yep, congress is to blame.
The president has no power whatsoever. Zero. He's not even allowed to ask congress for things.
Well, until a bill people like gets passed. Then he did it alone and should be photoshopped into Superman outfits.
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Tailormyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:46 AM
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33. Can't say as I am surprised
One more letdown in a string of let downs. This is what happens when you get duped into voting for corporate front men and women. You can't swing a stick in DC without hitting one.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:03 PM
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42. Bump
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 08:35 PM
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43. Thanks for posting this! Keep the pressure going! -nt
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:35 AM
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49. +1
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 09:51 PM
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46. They may be known by the lengths to which they will go in tying themselves into knots to defend ....
.... the indefensible.
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:55 PM
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48. K&R
:kick:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:45 AM
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50. Kick and Recommend -- This would be an unacceptable flip flop.
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