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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:07 AM
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Three Lies Conservatives Tell About Poverty
Three Lies Conservatives Tell About Poverty
by Charlotte Hill May 03, 2010 08:30 AM (PT)
http://uspoverty.change.org/blog/view/three_lies_conservatives_tell_about_poverty

Have you ever tried to enter into a conversation with someone about poverty, only to find that you spend all your time correcting their false assumptions about low-income Americans? Ever been told that poor people in the U.S. should be grateful for what they have? Ever suffered through an endless diatribe about how the poor should just pick themselves up by their bootstraps (after all, Oprah did it)?

If you answered "yes" to any of the above questions, this piece is for you.

1. Owning a TV doesn't make you rich.

Neither does owning a car or a cell phone. Material goods can be an indicator of wealth, yes, but they don't tell the whole story. First, some goods, like cars and cell phones, are absolutely necessary components of modern life, regardless of income level. Does a poor person have less of a need to drive to work every day? Does she not require a phone to call her family and friends like everyone else? Likewise, entertainment is hard to come by for low-income families; compared to eating out or going to a movie theater, purchasing an inexpensive TV can be the most cost-effective way to destress. And for those mothers who cannot afford daycare, television unfortunately also acts as a makeshift babysitter for young children.

There's a reason why the updated federal poverty line focuses on the costs of health care, utilities, rent, childcare and nutrition, to the exclusion of minor material goods like TVs and phones; these are the day-to-day essentials that every working family should be able to afford. If someone owns a color TV but can't pay rent on a one-bedroom apartment, they're not well-off (and no, selling the TV won't radically improve the situation).

Yet conservatives love to suggest otherwise. "In terms of the items people have ... it amazes me the number of people who are at or near the poverty line that have color TVs, cable, washer, dryer, microwave." Those words, spoken by Michael Cosgrove, a right-leaning economist at the University of Dallas, are emblematic of the Heritage Foundation-esque failure to see the forest for the trees. This is cherry-picking at its best, implying that a microwave oven somehow compensates for unaffordable college tuition, for environmental injustice or for terrible health.

2. Comparing U.S. poverty to international poverty is pointless.

It's rare that a child dies in America from lack of food or preventable disease. In Somalia, a man may live on less than $1 a day; in the United States, we classify poverty for a family of four as under $22,050 each year. As the Heritage Foundation reports, low-income Americans eat "nearly four times as much meat as the average Brazilian" — a testament, apparently, to the protein-rich diet of our country's poorest citizens.

What conservatives need to realize is that when we talk about poverty in America, we activists generally aren't focusing on absolute poverty. Who, after all, could dispute that the poorest American is probably better off than the poorest Ethiopian or Afghan? Rather, we focus on the poverty of opportunity plaguing our nation. Contrary to the ideals set out by our founding fathers, all Americans don't start out on equal planes. The color of our skin, our sexual orientation, the historical wealth of our families and our geographic location all play major roles in the cards we're dealt.

We realize that poverty is a life-and-death struggle in many areas of the world. But that doesn't negate our struggle for equality of opportunity here at home.

3. Poor people don't deserve their poverty.

Ever heard of the meritocracy myth? It goes thus: in America, you are what you make of yourself. Work hard and you'll make money. Slack off and you'll end up on the streets. According to Max Weber in The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism, the foundations of this myth lie in Calvinism and, more broadly, the Protestant tradition. Calvinists believed that God bestowed material wealth on his chosen elite; therefore, if you had money, you were in God's favor. Similarly, if you were poor, you were a sinner, a non-chosen one. Wealth became a sign of exceptionalism in the eyes of God, poverty a mark of damnation.

Protestantism as a whole took it a step further: working hard was the key to heaven. Hard workers earned money, a sign — once again — of God's affection. In short, work plus money equaled moral superiority.

Alas, blaming the poor for their poverty is as fashionable as ever. Just look to — you guessed it — the Heritage Foundation, which claims that child poverty is caused by parents, not by flawed government programs, unregulated capitalism, or deeply-entrenched remnants of racism and sexism: "The main causes of child poverty in the United States are low levels of parental work and high numbers of single-parent families," the Foundation concluded in a 2004 report.

Unfortunately for conservatives, the meritocracy myth is just that — a myth, a false perception of reality. Poor families work just as hard as rich ones (that is, if they can secure a job at all); they just don't reap the financial rewards of the capitalist system the way the top 1 percent of Americans do.

So there you have it: three common mistakes conservatives make about poverty. What other false arguments have you heard about low-income Americans, and how do you respond to them?
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:10 AM
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1. "People in poverty just need to work harder" and "Minorities are on welfare more than anyone else"
People in poverty work hard their entire lives and there are more white people on welfare than black people.
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:12 AM
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2. Which race/ethnicity has the greatest percent of their population on welfare?
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:18 AM
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5. Whites at about 38%
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:19 AM
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8. Source?
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:33 AM
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11. A google search
And it changes over the years and it depends on the kind of welfare. And really, there is nothing wrong with welfare or who gets it IMHO. It's just irritating when politicians say "Minorities are on welfare, and that makes it OK to get rid of it."
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:17 AM
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4. The irony: The rich could not exist without the poor.
Without the poor making things and taking care of everything around them, the rich would be a very helpless lot. How could they maintain their mansions without the poor? Their money is worthless without the poor taking a few coins tossed their way for the hard work they do for the rich.

I wonder which person they would choose if times became really rough. Would they put their trust in a migrant farm worker who knows how to produce a tangible product to exist, or a Wall Street executive who produces nothing of substance for society?

You post was excellent. I've heard that same drumbeat of lies, deception and even hatred toward the poor by the right wing and right wing conservative Christians.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:31 AM
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10. The Heretige Foundation...
can always be counted on for these types of lies.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:19 AM
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7. Very true. My mother's parents basically worked themselves to death
(sharecropping) and when her father died when she was 6, they had to go on welfare. Nobody worked harder than they did, they just didn't get rewarded for it.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:16 AM
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3. K&R!
Well said.
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:18 AM
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6. The Meritocracy Myth is hard to bust
Because it says something we are inclined to believe as Americans. We want to believe that with a little hard work and effort people can make it to the middle class, and have comfortable lives. There's a couple of problems with this. One, there are a lot of barriers to success that need to be knocked down. Two, we are taught by television that the good life is the upper middle class life; that's out of reach for most people. Third, we don't have the facilitie in America to help people move from lower class up if they choose to.

Probably other stuff I'm not thinking of.

Bryant
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:31 AM
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9. how about people who are poor because of their own fault....
for example, they go buy a tv. this is another myth. i have been poor nd am barely straddling right now. it's friggin hard to get out of poverty. and people on welfare programs aren't there because they want to be as much as it's hard to get off of them. they don't wean you off.... they throw you out. you have to be living in a cardboard box to qualify in the first place. they expect you to take any job, as if minimum wage will get a woman out of poverty when her daycare costs for one kid may be half of her paycheck off the bat. if not more!!! it's like a vicious cycle in which any bad thing happening can cause major setbacks. a poor person would probably be driving an old car prone to break down. they could miss work and pay and possibly lose their job. this is the life of a poor person. worrying every day if they will have enough to pay the bills.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:38 AM
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12. You are right...
on a number of things. If me and my wife were single we would both be under the poverty level, but being married we qualify for NO help whatsoever. And I do worry every day about paying the bills.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:48 AM
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14. and when you think of the cost of being poor. from just cashing a check
when you may not be able to get a checking account to it costing more for things because instead of buying in a larger quantity you have to buy smaller amounts at a time at a higher cost. then there is what you eat. fresh produce is more expensive than potato chips and stuff.i could go on and on. i have to believe that a lot of these people spouting stuff have either never gone hungry or forgot where they came from. anyone who has experienced poverty would know how hard it is and how hard to escape.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:51 PM
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36. I can totally relate to what you are saying
I remember raising children on my own and the "setbacks" could be devastating. There were times when there wasn't anything left to give up to cover unexpected emergencies (usually the old car). I lived in constant fear of losing my job and what little I had.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:40 AM
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13. K&R!
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:49 AM
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15. Only three? Those numbnuts are losing their touch.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 02:29 PM
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24. Go to the...
Heretige Foundation's website and I'm sure you won't be dissappointed.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:55 AM
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16. "...in America, you are what you make of yourself. Work hard and you'll make money."
The underlying lie of this myth is that there is a level playing field. There is not. We are not all born with the same attributes, we don't have the same opportunities, education, network of connections, etc., etc., etc. I could scream when I hear the 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' crap. The playing field is seriously skewed & getting worse each day.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:56 AM
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17. kick and recommend!!
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 12:03 PM
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18. In my neck of the woods, an old-fashioned "tube" TV is pretty much worthless.
Edited on Tue May-04-10 12:03 PM by Puzzler
Since most people now want flat screen LCD or plasma TVs, the older CRT TVs are getting abandoned on street corners and garbage dumps. So you could literally have zero dollars and own a 40" stereo CRT TV these days.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 01:48 PM
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23. You can't buy one of those old TVs anymore n/t
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:51 AM
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30. Except at the Goodwill store.
Of course, then you have to go out and buy a converter box to go with it...
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:55 AM
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32. Good idea, thanks!!
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WhoIsNumberNone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 12:29 PM
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19. The Mediocrity Myth:
So what about George W Bush? He spent his whole life failing upwards. So if I fuck up like W, will I get to be President some day? Not likely.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 12:48 PM
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21. He had mommy and daddy to bail him out n/t
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 12:33 PM
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20. I just posted this link on Facebook.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 10:10 PM
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28. Great!!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 01:06 PM
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22. My favorite...
"If you took all a rich person's money away, and dropped them in a strange city, they'd be rich again in a year." (This might be true if you let them keep their connections)
:rofl:


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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 02:36 PM
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25. Just about every American is one paycheck away from poverty.
Most people live pay check to pay check for what ever reason. Lose a job and be unemployed for a while and you lose your position on the income chain.

Or get a severe illness and run up medical bills and the same is true.

The right likes to turn their heads on this issue because it is every man, woman and child for themselves in their world.

I heard a tea bagger say they stand for free markets and free markets got us into this economic mess.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 03:27 PM
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26. Absolutely true n/t
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 08:17 PM
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27. I don't think the teabaggers know what they stand for n/t
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:09 AM
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29. Thanks for posting. n/t
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:12 AM
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31. I just love when the right wingers say "If these people (the poor)
really didn't want to be poor..then they should get a job that pays more (like that's really easy)..and they should have gone to college (like that's really easy too!).

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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 11:45 AM
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33. A marriage certificate is a MAGIC DOCUMENT.
There have been programs to encourage low-income black women to marry their boyfriends, to legitimize their children.

For some reason, conservatives think that if a poor couple is married, all other things being equal, the man will be able to get a job and support the family, and the children will be legitimate, and they will magically become self-supporting. Oh, and that marriage certificate will make momma and daddy treat each other well and get along. :sarcasm:

I do not understand it.

There was an article in the New Yorker about a program being taught, that the women should get married to make everything wonderful, in the PJs somewhere on the NW side of OKC. Not too far from Penn Square Mall. The young women were not buying the idea.

This just enriches the divorce lawyers.

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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:26 PM
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34. Getting married will cause them...
to lose their benifits, that's why they are pushing it. My wife and I would both be around poverty level if we were single, but being married puts us out of range for any help.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:35 PM
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35. Fact- 100 million people at or below 200% of sanitized, phony poverty level
"The overwhelming problem today for most workers isn't this recession, as horrible as it is -- it's the fact that for every earned income level except the top 10%, average household income hasn't changed a bit for 10 years, and that for the bottom 60% of wage earners it hasn't changed for more than 20 years. Through economic expansions and recessions -- and bull and bear markets -- alike, 90% of workers in America have been standing still earnings-wise.

* And 100 million people, fully one-third of the entire U.S. population, are at or below "200% of the federal poverty line of $21,834 for a family of four", which is a needs-measure made lame by the fact that no family of four can actually comfortably live on such a low annual income."

http://www.alternet.org/story/145950/our_dirty_little_secret:_who%27s_really_poor_in_america?page=entire
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:01 PM
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37. The poverty measure...
is a joke and needs to be changed immediately. I read that the Census Bureau is working on a new one, we'll see.
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:23 PM
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38. poverty is
a relative term.

to point #1: the author is correct that "things" don't indicate wealth or poverty. I would submit that wisely choosing which "things" you obtain has an impact. For example: choosing to buy $150 sneakers vs a $30 sneakers has further reaching implications; ditto for having a $150 cellphone plan with a 2 year contract vs. a pay as you use it type of plan.

to point #2: the poorest american, when compared to a poor (insert destitute country here), looks like a rich person (the cliche: the one eyed man is king in the land of the blind resonates here) by comparison.

to point #3: There is *some* truth to the meritocracy argument in so much as if you don't even try you won't accomplish much (or you miss 100% of the shots you don't take) but there are other factors involved that can influence the ability to try but also the likelihood of success.

Finally, believing that 1 ideology speaks the "truth" (queue the angelic choir) has a corner on the causes and solutions to any issue is pure foolishness. There are examples that support both sides of the argument and the solutions aren't one size fits all ones but rather custom tailored (at least to the point that is possible given a wide ranging large population) solutions.

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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 06:46 PM
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39. Worth a kick...
sorry I missed this until now, thanks Dajoki! :pals:
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