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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:11 PM
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Gulf Gusher -- how bad can it be?
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Gulf Gusher -- how bad can it be?
by mwmwm
Tue May 04, 2010 at 10:32:22 AM PDT

...From the bottom of an article in the San Francisco Chronicle:

The Deepwater Horizon well is at the end of one branch of the Gulf Stream, the famed warm-water current that flows from the Gulf of Mexico to the North Atlantic. Several experts said that if the oil enters the stream, it would flow around the southern tip of Florida and up the Eastern Seaboard.

As bad as the oil spill looks on the surface, it may be only half the problem, said UC Berkeley engineering Professor Robert Bea, who serves on a National Academy of Engineering panel on oil pipeline safety.

"There's an equal amount that could be subsurface too," said Bea, who worked for Shell Oil Co. in the 1960s when the last big northern Gulf of Mexico oil well blowout occurred. And that oil below the surface "is damn near impossible to track."


Ack!

Displayed in NOAA's "Projected Gulf Loop Current, Today + 144 Hours," we see surface forecasting (but not, of course, subsurface forecasting) that graphically demonstrates how the currents are likely to flow. Notable is that subsurface water also flows as a current, but a different one, with many layers moving at different speeds, often in different directions.

Gaah!

From an AP story two days ago:

Ian R. MacDonald, an oceanography professor at Florida State University, said his examination of Coast Guard charts and satellite images indicated that 8 million to 9 million gallons had already spilled by April 28.

"I hope I'm wrong. I hope there's less oil out there than that. But that's what I get when I apply the numbers," he said.

Alabama's governor said his state was preparing for a worst-case scenario of 150,000 barrels, or more than 6 million gallons per day. At that rate the spill would amount to a Valdez-sized spill every two days, and the situation could last for months.


From the end of an article today from the Minnesota Post:

he oil is "capable of significant damage, particularly when it is churned up with water and forms a sort of mousse that floats and can travel long distances," it said.

Come mid-summer, what's left of that slick is almost sure to overlap with the dead zone (already existing at the base of the Mississippi) — which can shift to and fro in the Gulf, Gulliver said.

No one knows the full measure of the damage such a grim union could cause. When it comes to environmental problems, one plus one doesn't always add up to two. The sum can be much larger as combinations of factors give rise to new problems.


Human-caused Dead Zone + Human-caused Oil Slick = Human-caused Horror.

A leaked non-public intra-government report, from a few days ago:

A confidential government report on the unfolding spill disaster in the Gulf makes clear the Coast Guard now fears the well could become an unchecked gusher shooting millions of gallons of oil per day into the Gulf.... "Two additional release points were found today in the tangled riser. If the riser pipe deteriorates further, the flow could become unchecked resulting in a release volume an order of magnitude higher than previously thought."

... BP Plc executive Doug Suttles said Thursday the company was worried about "erosion" of the pipe at the wellhead.

Sand is an integral part of the formations that hold oil under the Gulf. That sand, carried in the oil as it shoots through the piping, is blamed for the ongoing erosion described by BP.

"The pipe could disintegrate. You've got sand getting into the pipe, it's eroding the pipe all the time, like a sandblaster," said Ron Gouguet, a former oil spill response coordinator for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration...


MUCH MORE WITH LINKS: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/5/4/863384/-Gulf-Gusherhow-bad-can-it-be
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:14 PM
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1. "going around the tip of Florida" means goodbye Florida Keys
one of the most unique eco-systems on the continent.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:27 PM
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3. Explain to me, please
Edited on Tue May-04-10 04:29 PM by Chulanowa
Why am I seeing so much hand-wringing about the Keys, and hearing damn near nothing about the rest of the coastline between the rig and the keys? is it just that they're more photogenic? Is it like how the panda is important but the snail darter can go fuck itself? What's up, here?

I don't mean to be an ass (okay, that's a bit of a lie) but seriously, all over DU, I see people worrying about the Florida keys. No doubt, this would be a bad damn thing to hit them, but... there's a lot of coast between there and the site, which it looks like nobody is giving a shit about.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:34 PM
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5. Because reporters like to drink rum and pretend to be Hemingway
And the favored spot on the planet to do that is the Keys. I also haven't seen a whole lot of reportage about damage to the Everglades, either. And that will mess up Florida like nobody's business. However, there will be ample damage to go around if they don't get a handle on this, and that right quick. At this point, if everything stopped right this very second, every coastline in the Gulf of Mexico can look forward to big gobby tar balls to wash up on the beaches for the next decade. The longer this goes on, of course, the worse it's going to be.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:07 PM
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9. well, there's that, but there's much more
See my response to the "Explain..." post.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:06 PM
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8. It is one of the largest coral reefs in the world, right up there
Edited on Tue May-04-10 06:09 PM by ixion
with the Great Barrier Reef. A coral reef is a living thing, and extremely fragile. This is sure to wreak havoc.

http://www.biol.andrews.edu/everglades/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Keys
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:58 AM
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10. My heart breaks for Captiva. n/t
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:28 PM
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4. And when it catches the fast moving Gulf Stream north? Can't even think about it.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:20 PM
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2. BP should go bankrupt over this! I have no sympathy
for this company and it's business partners. They were arrogant, selfish and greedy and they have just destroyed the Gulf Coast and who knows what else...I want to see all of their money paid out for cleanup, the environment and all of the impacted business folks and citizens impacted by this gush.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 04:36 PM
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6. The Oceans are screwn
and so are we...

I can't even imagine what those poor animals must feel as they die from the toxicity :cry:

..makes me physically ILL


NO MORE OIL! CLEAN ENERGY ONLY!!
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:35 PM
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7. Not bad enough for some DUers
to support a moratorium. We "need" the oil, doncha see?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:15 AM
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11. Why there is so little Oil on the Beaches
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8270824



They are placing a chemical dispersant directly on the leak at 5,000 feet deep.

They are also spraying this 'soap' from the air.

The surface slick is being minimized.

Oil and water don't mix. But if you put soap into the mix it mixes quite easily. What they are doing is putting a 'soap' in the water and the oil is not floating anymore. It is being mixed into the Gulf waters. Making an oil and water emulsion.

Out of sight, out of mind, they hope.

The shore life may yet be saved.

But now we have a very large amount of deadly toxic waters just sitting there.
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