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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:15 PM
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Fact-checking the "Mother of all gushers could kill Earth's oceans" e-mail.
Edited on Tue May-04-10 05:41 PM by dorkulon
I'm sure you've all seen it by now, on a forum post, blog, or forwarded email. I think this thing is need of a serious Snopes-ing, and I'm looking for your help.

Here it is:
Heard your mention of the oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico this morning, and you (and most everyone else except maybe George Noory) are totally missing the boat on how big and bad of a disaster this is.

First fact, the original estimate was about 5,000 gallons of oil a day spilling into the ocean. Now they're saying 200,000 gallons a day. That's over a million gallons of crude oil a week!

I'm engineer with 25 years of experience. I've worked on some big projects with big machines. Maybe that's why this mess is so clear to me.

First, the BP platform was drilling for what they call deep oil. They go out where the ocean is about 5,000 feet deep and drill another 30,000 feet into the crust of the earth. This it right on the edge of what human technology can do. Well, this time they hit a pocket of oil at such high pressure that it burst all of their safety valves all the way up to the drilling rig and then caused the rig to explode and sink. Take a moment to grasp the import of that. The pressure behind this oil is so high that it destroyed the maximum effort of human science to contain it.

When the rig sank it flipped over and landed on top of the drill hole some 5,000 feet under the ocean.

Now they've got a hole in the ocean floor, 5,000 feet down with a wrecked oil drilling rig sitting on top of it spewing 200,000 barrels of oil a day into the ocean. Take a moment and consider that, will you!

First they have to get the oil rig off the hole to get at it in order to try to cap it. Do you know the level of effort it will take to move that wrecked oil rig, sitting under 5,000 feet of water? That operation alone would take years and hundreds of millions to accomplish. Then, how do you cap that hole in the muddy ocean floor? There just is no way. No way.

The only piece of human technology that might address this is a nuclear bomb. I'm not kidding. If they put a nuke down there in the right spot it might seal up the hole. Nothing short of that will work.

If we can't cap that hole that oil is going to destroy the oceans of the world. It only takes one quart of motor oil to make 250,000 gallons of ocean water toxic to wildlife. Are you starting to get the magnitude of this?

We're so used to our politicians creating false crises to forward their criminal agendas that we aren't recognizing that we're staring straight into possibly the greatest disaster mankind will ever see. Imagine what happens if that oil keeps flowing until it destroys all life in the oceans of this planet. Who knows how big of a reservoir of oil is down there.

Not to mention that the oceans are critical to maintaining the proper oxygen level in the atmosphere for human life.

We're humped. Unless God steps in and fixes this. No human can. You can be sure of that.


To give an idea of how I feel about this statement, here's my reply to a friend who forwarded it to me:

This is standard alarmist viral e-mail stuff. The spill is bad, but not this bad. This guy's "facts" are suspect at best, especially the bit about one quart of oil ruining 250,000 gallons of ocean. That's 1 part per million. Nothing is lethal at one ppm--not cyanide, not anything. At 800 ppm, carbon monoxide takes 2 hours to kill people. In fact, it takes a concentration of 500 ppm for oil to kill fish in two weeks. So, whatever credentials this guy is claiming ("big projects with big machines"?), he doesn't actually know what he's talking about, at least on that point, which calls his other claims into question. And while I can't find anything on the position of the rig right now, I could swear I heard a few days ago that it had broken off and drifted a few hundred yards, not that it was "sitting right on top" of the leak. Also, the idea that it's some crazy thing that the pressure was so intense that it "destroyed the maximum effort of human science to contain it" is silly, firstly because he's describing every blown rig ever, which is fairly routine, and secondly because that rig does not represent the "maximum effort of human science" at all, but a cost-conscious, corner-cutting, deregulated effort.

As to the leak being unstoppable, that's also hyperbolic. There are 2 current plans: One is to drill another hole and then thread a tube through it to plug up the leak with cement--or something like that. It's going to take 3 months, but I don't really see why it can't work. The shorter term plan (about a week) is to drop a big-ass dome on top of the main leak and suck the stuff onto barges, something that may or may not work, but obviously couldn't even be attempted if there were an oil rig "right on top" of the hole. I think the prospect of an unending, eternal oil gusher in the gulf is virtually impossible--eventually, every intellectual and technological resource in the world would be united in working to stop it, and they would. This is a huge, terrible disaster, but it's not the apocalypse.

Here's a little perspective from the New York Times:

"The ruptured well, currently pouring an estimated 210,000 gallons of oil a day into the gulf, could flow for years and still not begin to approach the 36 billion gallons of oil spilled by retreating Iraqi forces when they left Kuwait in 1991. It is not yet close to the magnitude of the Ixtoc I blowout in the Bay of Campeche in Mexico in 1979, which spilled an estimated 140 million gallons of crude before the gusher could be stopped.

"And it will have to get much worse before it approaches the impact of the Exxon Valdezaccident of 1989, which contaminated 1,300 miles of largely untouched shoreline and killed tens of thousands of seabirds, otters and seals along with 250 eagles and 22 killer whales."


So yeah, this is just some guy freaking out on a forum somewhere, claiming in true internet style to have more expertise than he does. And his nuclear bomb solution sounds like something Chuck Norris would come up with. Remember, stuff like this goes viral because it is sensational, not because it's true. The boring truth is that this is just another in a long series of ecological disasters caused by the energy industry and a lax regulatory environment.


I'd appreciate any input you may have, checking the email's claims or my own. I'd particularly appreciate any info on where the rig itself wound up, as I just couldn't find any info on that. Thanks!

EDIT: I've already been alerted to a major error--in the NYT excerpt I quoted! Apparently, the largest previous estimate to this article on the Gulf War oil spill is 11 million barrels, about half a billion gallons. The NYT figure of 36 billion gallons is way off.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:22 PM
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1. Fantastic post.
Prepare to take some flak, but that's a reasoned and well-stated response. :hi:
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #1
18. Thanks.
Not too much flak so far--the internet's reaction to an effective rebuttal is usually silence.
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NM_hemilover Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #18
25. I agree it's a Fantastic post !
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:30 PM
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2. Do we need to fact check the NYT?
Edited on Tue May-04-10 05:42 PM by noamnety
Where did they get 36 billion gallons from?

This source pegs it at 11 million (edit) barrels:
http://www.researchplanning.com/pubs/The%20Gulf%20War%20Oil%20Spill%20Twelve%20Years%20Later-%20Consequences%20of%20Eco-Terrorism.pdf

And this one at 240–460 million gallons: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001451.html

The NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) says 6 to 8 million gallons. http://www.magazine.noaa.gov/stories/mag91.htm

It appears the NYT has acquired an ass and is pulling numbers out of it.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. That's barrels.
Still only adds up to about half a billion gallons. :shrug:

And yes, apparently we do need to fact-check the NYT.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Thank you, I went back and edited.
Barrels in my first source, the second and third sources were in gallons.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Thank you too, i added that to the OP.
Pretty amazing error.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #2
30. Thanks for posting those links
The last one seems to be the most reliable estimate.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:48 PM
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5. Even at 1 quart "killing" 250,000 gallons...
there are ~1.3 million cubic kilometers of water in the world's oceans.

1.3 million cubic kilometers is 1.3 x 10^18 litres = ~3.4 x 10^17 gallons of water in the oceans of the world.

If 1 quart of oil "kills" 250,000 gallons then 1 gallon of oil kills 1 million gallons of water = 1 x 10^6 gallons

To kill 3.4 x 10^17 gallons of water, you would need 3.4 x 10^11 gallons of oil.

3.4 x 10^11 is 340,000,000,000 gallons.

That's 340 billion gallons of oil.


At 1 million gallons per day, which is 5 times higher than the current estimate of outflow, that would be 340,000 days, or 931 years of gushing.


That post if full of idiocy.

Sid
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. Hate to agree with Sid but
yeah that post is not quite right.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #8
14. Actually it is...
you and everyone else on this thread is treating this disaster like it's refined oil... Well it's not, it is a soup of every hydrocarbon in the mix from gases to long chain hydrocarbons as well as a number of different cyanides, etc.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. OSHA's permissible exposure limit for Cyanide is 10ppm.
That's in the air a worker breathes daily. How could 1 ppm of crude oil destroy the ocean, because there might be some cyanide in it? It's not possible. The guy's numbers are just wrong.
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #5
27. "1.3 million cubic kilometers" doesn't seem like enough volume.
Are you sure it's "million" and not "billion"? Since a million would be only 1000km x 1000km x 1km deep.

A billion would make the dilution even greater :)
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:43 AM
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31. You're right, I was relying on another DU post that had it listed as million
Edited on Wed May-05-10 12:44 AM by SidDithers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8259665&mesg_id=8262633

It is billion, as per wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean

The area of the World Ocean is 361×10^6 km2 (139×10^6 mi2)<7> Its volume is approximately 1.3 billion cubic kilometres (310 million cu mi).<8> This can be thought of as a cube of water with an edge length of 1,111 kilometres (690 mi). Its average depth is 3,790 metres (12,430 ft), and its maximum depth is 10,923 metres (6.787 mi)<7> Nearly half of the world's marine waters are over 3,000 metres (9,800 ft) deep.<4> The vast expanses of deep ocean (anything below 200 metres (660 ft) cover about 66% of the Earth's surface.<9> This does not include seas not connected to the World Ocean, such as the Caspian Sea.

The total mass of the hydrosphere is about 1,400,000,000,000,000,000 metric tons (1.5×1018 short tons) or 1.4×1021 kg, which is about 0.023 percent of the Earth's total mass. Less than 3 percent is freshwater; the rest is saltwater, mostly in the ocean


That changes things a bit :)

Now we've got 1.3 billion km3 is 1.3 x 10^21 litres = 3.4 x 10^20 gallons
at 1ppm killing the ocean, we'd need 3.4 x 10^14 gallons of oil
That's 340,000,000,000,000 gallons, or 340 trillion gallons of oil needed to "kill" the oceans of the world.

Thanks for the correction. :hi:

Sid

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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #31
35. You're welcome :)
I had to look up those numbers, too, but it just seemed 'off' with only a million in there.

So, now it takes almost a million years (930,894.75) at one million gallons a day to kill the oceans? ;)
Of course, that's assuming there are no more bacteria and whatever other biological checks & balances left to eat that oil...
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #5
28. That's assuming that it fills the sea with oil
Edited on Tue May-04-10 11:40 PM by Turborama
However, as we all know, oil floats on water.

Seeing as you're a much better mathematician than me, how much oil would it take to cover the world's oceans?

(edited to fix typo)
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #28
32. Unfortunately, it's not quite that simple...
Much of the oil spilled forms an emulsion in the water, and so is suspended below the surface. But, as a thought exercise:

From the same wiki article, it shows the area of the ocean as 361 x 10^6 km2 = 361,000,000 km2

Coverage volume depends on how thick the layer of oil on the surface is. If it's 3mm, then the volume is 361,000,000 km2 x 3mm = 361 km3 = 3.61 x 10^14 litres = 9.5 x 10^13 gallons

That's 95,000,000,000,000 gallons, or 95 trillion gallons of oil needed to cover the oceans with a 3mm thick oil slick.

Please, someone double check my math. It's late :)

Sid
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #32
36. I checked, but someone may need to check mine
due to a beer on an empty stomach! :toast:

You seem to have dropped the '3' on the '3mm' part of your equation, making things one-third what they should be.

108,300,000,000,000,000 liters
23,822,751,000,000,000 gallons
567,208,357,142,857 barrels

With the other assumption that there will be no weather systems and/or thermal flows to move it around or churn it up.

:hi:
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 07:56 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. I should just edit my post and assume a 1mm thick slick, instead of a 3mm one...
Edited on Wed May-05-10 08:03 AM by SidDithers
:)

The only other difference I see in our calculations is that I used US gallons, 1 USG = 3.78 litres, and you used imperial gallons, 1 USG = 4.54 litres.

Thanks for assist :hi:

Sid
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:05 AM
Response to Reply #38
39. That's what I get for looking up litre : gallon conversions
on wikipedia! :P

You're welcome on the calculation assist :)
Just do not, I repeat, do not get into calculus, unless you want to see the trout look :o
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 05:57 PM
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7. "...any info on where the rig itself wound up..."
Edited on Tue May-04-10 05:58 PM by chollybocker
These amazing photos may help.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/2010/05/fire-in-the-gulf-new-pictures-of-the-deepwater-horizon.php?img=1


"Eleven workers are missing and presumed dead."

Haven't heard much about that on the MSM.......................
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. Really?
Because I had. Yup, pretty sure I heard that the rig blew up and 11 workers died. Right on the MSM.
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chollybocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Then why did you ask the question?
And you're welcome. :eyes:
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Look, I knew the rig blew up. Nobody doesn't know that.
What I wanted to know, and I apologize if this wasn't clear, is where it (or most of it) wound up in relation to the dril hole.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:03 PM
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10. The email has a math error.
The initial estimate he hints at was 5000 Barrels, which is 5000 X 42 (gal/barrel) = 210,000 Gallons / Day. The email switches between the two rather recklessly several times.

We have had many spills of millions of gallons without death to the ocean.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. You're right; I didn't notice the second 200,000 was "barrels"
Yet another inaccuracy.
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NutmegYankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:20 PM
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15. The pressure also has an issue.
Pressure on a column of liquid drops off with height due to gravity. I'm pretty sure the oil pressure was containable after 35,000 feet of Gravity dragging it back down. And considering that the well had been drilled previously last September and had the concrete casing installed recently, the equipment was holding the pressure. It is likely the blowout preventer just failed and doomed the rig.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:21 PM
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16. When I read it the first time, I thought "Nonsense like this could be used to discredit...
the concerns of legitimate environmentalists" and then I sought out more credible sources.

Like Riki Ott:

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/3/bp_oil_spill_worsens_with_no



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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #16
34. good stuff
Riki Ott,
" I think we need to look at what the industry has done, the fossil fuel industry, coal, oil, gas, in terms of exemptions to the Clean Water Act, Clean Air Act, Superfund Act, U.S. Safe Drinking Water Act. You’ll find it’s just riddled with exemptions. And even more scary, as more oil dumps into the ocean, we are going to see more money dumped into our political campaigns because of the Citizens United case. So I’m really concerned that these big corporations are just going to buy off the politicians, buy off the judges, and it will be business as usual. "
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:40 PM
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19. Thank You

I saw the e-mail passed along uncritically yesterday by the usual crowd of DU alarmism-revelers and was hoping that we might get some corrections. Thanks a lot for posting this.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. My pleasure
hope it mitigates the panic a bit.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 07:18 PM
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21. Thanks!
Yeah, that email was "wishing for the end of world" stuff. Glad you debunked it. Even if this blowout is never capped the oil from this chamber will run out at some point before it becomes a world threatening event. I am worried that this slick will move up the Gulf Stream and contaminate major portions of the east coast.

Does anyone have any data on how much oil is actually in a typical drill site?
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William Z. Foster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 07:25 PM
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22. well done
I had an opportunity once to be a "fly on the wall" at a meeting of right wing think-tankers. They openly talked about doing things like this email - full of hysteria and easily debunked exaggerations - to discredit and embarrass liberals and environmentalists. In this way, they are feeding their opponents their lines, for which they have already prepared rebuttals. They are then able to control both sides of any debate.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 07:34 PM
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23. Yea, I blew that one off right off the bat when I saw it at another forum. The next day
someone posted it on DU and it went all the way to the top of the Greatest Page. Go figure.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. Yeah, kinda sad, but
it goes to show that almost everyone is willing to believe "facts" that confirm their preconceptions, and scrutiny is generally reserved for "facts" that dispute them.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 07:39 PM
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24. Definitely not the mother of all oil spills.. yet.
But they do need to get it capped soon or it could be.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 01:01 AM
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33. It probably will be, considering it's a leak, not a spill, and it's to deep for divers to reach. nt
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-10 11:52 PM
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29. If the well head comes off it's estimated that more than 4.2 million gallons will spew out per day
Edited on Tue May-04-10 11:53 PM by Turborama
As I pointed out in detail here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8262613">Allen & Salazar have told CNN losing the well head would mean more than 4.2 million gallons a day!

Now they are going to attempt methods to solve this that haven't been done before, drop one of these 5,000 feet below sea level at a maximum working pressure of 20,000 PSI on top of a leak spewing out oil at 1 ton per square inch.



Here's a video of it: http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/05/04/todd.dome.special.access.cn

What would happen if that thing moves a fraction of an inch the wrong way and taps the well head?

With regards to your comment, "There are 2 current plans: One is to drill another hole and then thread a tube through it to plug up the leak with cement--or something like that. It's going to take 3 months, but I don't really see why it can't work. "

The fix using concrete to plug up the leak could actually make matters much worse, as I explained in detail http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8269283">here.
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breadandwine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 02:48 AM
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37. I'm not a scientist but 250,000 gallons of water is smaller than you might think.
If I arranged 100 gallon jugs of water in a row and then made 100 such rows side by side, and then made shelving and stacked an equal area of jugs (100 on a side of a square) 100 layers high, that's 100 times 100 times 100 gallon jugs. That equals one millions gallons right there yet it takes up a very small space. You could do that in somebody's back yard if you had shelving of a few stories high.

Now, if only a quart of oil contaminates a quarter of that much water, then that's pretty serious given the tremendous gusher going on in the Gulf right now.

Basically, imagine a swimming pool the size of the above volume, not much bigger than a small building. Now, take a quart of gross, unrefined crude oil with a witch's brew of toxic components broiling for thousands of years at 35,000 feet below sea level. Take that quart of super-yuck and dump it --- SPLAT --- in the swimming pool. Now put on your swim suit and jump right in. Don't be shy! Oil industry experts will tell you the water's fine!!!!! So come on in!!!!!!!!!! Does that appeal to you? Just asking. Now imagine STAYING in the pool for as long as the lifespan of one of the longer lived ocean creatures, like an octopus or dolphin or whale. Still sound like fun? I. DON'T. THINK. SO.


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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:17 AM
Response to Reply #37
40. Actually, 250,000 gallons of water is pretty fucking big!
That's just a bit over thirty-two feet cubed.

My house is 19' X 43' X 20'. That would hold just a bit over 125,000 gallons of water.

So we're talking a volume almost twice as big as my house!

A quart of motor oil won't make a dent in that.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. True but considering we're talking quintillions of gallons it hardly matters.
The whole thing is silly.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 08:38 AM
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41. The guy writing the email is completely unqualified
"I'm engineer with 25 years of experience. I've worked on some big projects with big machines."

Just because you worked with big machines, doesn't mean you are an expert on off shore drilling or the environment.

Listen to what the real experts have to say about it and not some random guy writing an email.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:04 AM
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43. Aside from which it probably isn't true anyway.
It's standard for internet blowhards to pretend they have expertise in whatever subject they're discussing.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:41 AM
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44. It won't kill the entire oceans, but...
The tone of this thread is rather insidious when you consider the damage it will do to our gulf water and coastline. It writes this spill off as no big deal for the entirety of the earth's oceans, but I'm focused on the waters off of OUR coastline, and the spill is devastating.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 01:24 PM
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46. I'm not trying to minimize the damage, it is very serious of course.
I just think a hysterical end-of-world e-mail riddle with BS is not helping.
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:10 AM
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45. Accuracy and Inaccuracy
11 million is not 1/2 a billion, that would be 500 million.

and the Kuwait Gulf spill was about 250 Million Gallons

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills

the Exxon Valdez was 11 Million

the Ixtoc in the Gulf of Mexico was 150 Million

The Deepwater Horizon will be America's worst oil spill, most experts think it's already exceeded 11 Million Gals of the Exxon Valdez.

Crude oil is highly toxic, sure it's not lethal at 1 ppm but it doesn't really disperse like that especially when it hits shore. 5 major species are gone from Prince William Sound including harbor seals and Herring, which used to be a major cash harvest. There's still 18,000 gallons on the shores of the area 20 years later.

The article is correct on the Deepwater Horizon amount, it's about 200,000 gals a day. They are wrong where the rig went down, it's about 1/4 mile to the side of the bore hole. The total in the deposit is about 600 million to 800 million barrels.

This is the deepest oil well ever at 35,000 feet. Some experts think that might have caused the blowout. The cement cap that Halliburton placed is rumored to have been for 18,000 ft depth which is the max allowed by the permit. So the higher pressure of 35,000 feet was too much for the plug that was only good for 18,000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_drilling_rig_explosion
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 01:27 PM
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47. 11 million barrels. Barrels.
That is close to half a billion gallons.

Of course oil is toxic, and of course the spill is a serious disaster. I wouldn't deny that. But putting these ridiculous exaggerations out there (from the email addressed in the OP) isn't helping.
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 02:45 PM
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48. Dohhh
my mistake, yes exaggeration is uncool, the real problem is bad enough
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