Now MSN is calling it "Fans Gone Wild"

[underpants]

Fans Gone Wild
Gallery: From Monday night's teen Tasering in Philly to Morganna the Kissing Bandit, there's a long (& sometimes scary) history of fans rushing the field.


http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/gallery/Fans-gone-wild?GT1=39002

I saw that picture today and just rolled my eyes-what an unprofessional hot head that cop is. Did he really think that he was alone and that that guy might *gasp* get away?

[Yeahyeah]

1. Fat ass cop sure wasn't gonna catch him.

[Iggo]

39. I gotta admit...

...those are the first three words that came to mind when I saw that picture.

:patriot:

[WeDidIt]

2. My take, the asshole asked for it.

You don't run onto the field during a game.

Maybe the next drunk asshole will think twice before they do it.

[GodlessBiker]

3. Drunks don't think twice before they do things. This cop just wanted to try out this new toy.

[Mudoria]

5. The kid found out the toy worked...

[WeDidIt]

6. Ayup

He won't be pulling that bullshit again.

[defendandprotect]

42. Similar lessons to Kent State . . . ???

[SidDithers]

46. What a despicable post...nt

Sid

[defendandprotect]

49. . . . but you have no problems with the posts suggesting the kid deserved it -- ???

Read the two posts I'm replying to --

My take, the asshole asked for it.
You don't run onto the field during a game.

Maybe the next drunk asshole will think twice before they do it.


Same philosophy that was at work at Kent State --

[SidDithers]

54. Right...

One idiot cop using a taser on a drunk asshole is exactly like the National Guard opening fire on protesters, killing 4 of them in a hail of bullets.

You can't seem to grasp the fact that not all bad things are equivalent. A drunk asshole being tased at a baseball game can be bad in it's own right without your drama, raising it to the level of the shootings at Kent State. Get some fucking perspective.

Sid

[defendandprotect]

65. Your agreement that this kid got what he deserved is relative to

the thinking of those who applauded the attack on college students at Kent State --

There's no difference in that fundamental thinking.

And it's why the attack at Kent State wasn't sufficiently challenged.

Too many Americans were secretly applauding it!

And -- you're on ignore --

Bye --

[SidDithers]

66. Put your fingers in your ears...

doesn't make your comparison any less wrong or odious.

Sid

[piedmont]

71. Are we reading the same DU? There was no such assertion at all in the post you replied to.

The poster said "similar lessons." That is not at all the same as saying they're "exactly alike" or "equivalent."

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

75. I wrote this late March:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8003776

[SidDithers]

77. If you think that applies to me or my reaction to the Kent State post...

Then I should re-think my post. You've always been a poster who's opinion I've respected.

The poster to whom I was replying? Not so much.

Sid

[Bonobo]

60. +1

[Radical Activist]

87. I hope he sues, presses charges and wins.

I expect drunken fans to act like idiots. A guy being paid to be a professional shouldn't be the bigger asshole in the situation.

[Captain Hilts]

13. I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for the idiot. Drunken behavior is a real problem at ballparks

[GodlessBiker]

16. Could the police shoot him in the leg to get him to stop running? I mean...

Yes, he should be arrested and fined. Tasing someone for this? What if the taser hit someone else? Did the potential for serious harm outweigh the crime here? Can someone be tased for jaywalking if they keep walking away from an officer?

There seem to be no limits to the use of this weapon.

[JonLP24]

18. I don't think he was drunk

If he was I think they would charge him for being drunk considering he is 17 and underage. However this could be considered "drunken behavior" even though he was sober. Again--I'm basing the fact that he is sober based on the fact that he wasn't charged for being drunk and he could have for any amount due to the fact that he is 17.

[Captain Hilts]

19. Someone else ran on the field last night. Philly has the worst

crowd control problems in the league.

[malaise]

4. People have been running onto sportsfields for well

over 100 years. Teargassing a fan is stupid and excessive.
Streakers run on cricket fields with regularity - we kick them out of the ground and they go to court and pay a fine.
I'm sick of this fucking violence.

[chollybocker]

7. Exactly.

Drunken idiots have run onto fields and rinks and courts and pitches for hundreds of years, yet they are consistently contained/apprehended/arrested - without the use of tasers.

I couldn't believe the sports talk shows today, like PTI, defending the taser use. Stop this barbaric bullshit!

[GodlessBiker]

9. It's this hyper-macho we-kicked-his-ass bullshit. It makes little people feel big.

[WeDidIt]

14. This hyper-macho "run on the field and stop the event" bullshit. It makes little people feel big.

Taser their dumbasses.

[dflprincess]

89. 17 year olds tend to be impulsive and don't always think about consequences

that's why military recruiters go after them so hard. It's also why car insurance rates don't drop until we're 25 and the part of the brain that says "Now that would be a dumb thing to do" is finally developed.

I'm sure there were very few of us who didn't do something incredibly stupid when we were young. This should be filed under "stupid kid tricks" - and it sure didn't warrant a violent, potentially lethal, response from security.

[Captain Hilts]

12. There was a drunken father and son that attacked a 1st base coach. nt

[SidDithers]

56. Yup. Tom Gamboa, coaching for KC was attacked in Chicago...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/21/national/main522857.shtml

Sid

[underpants]

8. People do it all the time

the '96 series between the Yankees and the Braves was rife with people on the field. The cameras never showed it but I knew several people who were there. They said it was hilarious.

There is no reason to taser someone in that situation. Arrest him (that is partly why cops are there) and make him miss the game and pay a hefty fine.

The cop was wrong.

[WeDidIt]

11. I'll stick up for this cop all the way

They guy kept running away. He failed to obey a lawful order.

He got precisely what he asked for.

I have no sympathy for the asshole.

[Codeine]

17. +1

Stupidity should hurt, dammit.

[proteus_lives]

67. You summed it up perfectly!

"Stupidity should hurt, dammit."

:thumbsup:

[greencharlie]

37. and if these punk ass kids don't learn, SHOOT THEM!!

:sarcasm:

[Captain Hilts]

10. They sure went wild the last game I watched there. A HUGE fight broke out

in the upper right field deck.

People have attacked players on the field.

Most people who charge the field are drunk and will try anything.

[defendandprotect]

43. Who's encouraging this violence -- this "gone wild" notion ... ???

Coming from somewhere . . . ???

[cherokeeprogressive]

15. No sympathy here. Here's a clue, son, the rules really DO apply to you too, drunk or not.

Oh, and that battery taste in your mouth? It goes away after a while, don't worry.

I bet he never runs onto a field during a professional sporting event again.

1 problem solved as far as I'm concerned.

[Captain Hilts]

20. Same here. He knew the rules. nt

[Upton]

21. I agree with the Dodger fan..

[Zen_fighter]

22. Agreed!

Got what he deserved!

[DevonRex]

29. You're right. Actions have consequences even if you're drunk.

And actions performed while drunk often have the worst consequences, legal and otherwise.

[proteus_lives]

68. Big motto on your statement!

He had a teachable moment.

[KharmaTrain]

23. Stupidity On All Sides...

The kid was stupid for climbing on the field and making a total fool out of himself. Not something many of us haven't seen before...a minor distraction which has the entertainment value of the sausage race or guess the attendence.

I also think the security dude was massively stupid...this kid wasn't gonna be running around much longer until someone tackled him and dragged his sorry ass off the field. I honestly don't know what this fool was thinking or if this was the type of training he got. I thought tasers were to immobilize a real threat...someone with a weapon...not some goofy kid trying to play Ferris Bueler. Add to that you're doing this in front of a dozen TV cameras...not a smooth move, Lou.

[MilesColtrane]

24. If only the cops had tasers back in '74 in Cleveland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Cent_Beer_Night

[seabeyond]

25. stupid kid. asshole cop. nt

[SidDithers]

47. +1...

there's more than enough stupidity to go around in this scenario.

Sid

[peekaloo]

26. How in the hell do you mark that on your scorecard?

Does the cop get an outfield assist?

Is the kid ruled out on a rundown?

Outfield fry rule?

:shrug:

[Rebubula]

27. One Name...

...Monica Seles.

You never know the motivation of these assholes that run onto sporting fields.

No pity for this dumbass kid. I support the punishment of assholes.

[Viking12]

36. +1

there are numerous other incidents where athletes have been injured by stalkers. there's no way for security to judge intent when all hell is breaking loose.

[Rhythm]

28. But would those of you who gave a thumbs-up to the security officer still do so

if this idiot kid had dropped dead because of the Taser?

These things are NOT non-lethal... they are "less than lethal," but can--and do--kill people.

Just ask the 71 people who have died as the result of being Tazed since the beginning of last year:
http://electronicvillage.blogspot.com/2009/05/taser-related-deaths-in-united-states.html

[RedCappedBandit]

30. How dare you think, this is the US!

[Rhythm]

88. They can have my brain when they pry it from my cold, dead head...

...unless the zombies eat it first.

[ipaint]

31. The crowd was certainly taught a lesson in obedience.

Mission accomplished.

[superduperfarleft]

33. The crowd last night was calling for the second idiot to be tased as well.

This is definitely not a case of being cowed by authority.

[ipaint]

40. That is the result of being cowed by authority. nt

[superduperfarleft]

44. No, it's the result of getting sick of seeing idiots ruin another good ballgame.

I do think tasering a 17-year-old is a bit much, but I just can't muster up a whole lot of sympathy for either of those fools.

[ipaint]

51. Herd mentality born of cowardice. Crowd of bullies. nt

[superduperfarleft]

52. Okay, so now you're saying they were NOT being taught a lesson in obedience.

Make up your mind, dude.

[ipaint]

53. You are the one claiming the "whole crowd" cheered him on.

If that's the case then the crowd apparently has already learned it's lesson and is responding accordingly. Dude... lol.

[superduperfarleft]

55. I'm not "claiming" anything.

Its common knowledge that people were shouting, "Tase him! Tase him!" And no one I've talked to gives a shit about the hairy manchild they busted last night (who wasn't even bright enough to take the bag of weed out of his pocket before he did it), nor do they care about the spoiled suburbanite who got a tiny little shock and almost fucked up a tied game.

You're seeing some massive psychological phenomenon when the only issue here is that people pay money to see a baseball game, not some fool dancing around the outfield or vomiting on a little girl.

[defendandprotect]

78. So true -- and happily your reply is one of the many here who understand it --

Too many here see this as one event --

Imagine where we'd be now had they been able to use tasers during the civil

rights demonstrations to end Segregation --

NOT to suggest that there wasn't violence and intimidation aplenty!!

Or that being sprayed with fire hoses wasn't extremely painful and damaging!

And all of the stuff we didn't know at the time.

People applauding violence -- especially to teach someone a lesson is inane.

Remember Lincoln saying he would be in favor of hanging some soldier . . .

but he too well understood that even if it had the power to "teach him a lesson"

it would be too late cause he'd be dead!

Amazing how easy it is to teach a population to want to hit the trigger!!



:)

[Gidney N Cloyd]

32. Running onto a *playing* field warrants corporal punishment now, apparently.

[TwilightGardener]

34. Meh. Dude asked for it. How does anyone know that someone who

runs onto the field and dodges security isn't trying to hurt a player or umpire?

[Blue_Tires]

35. That guy looks like the Philly version of Napoleon Dynamite

:)

[Statistical]

38. I have a feeling he will never do that again.

Crazy thought:

There are consequences for your actions.

Taze the next idiot and the next one and the next one and the next.
Put up a sign that says if you run out of the field you will be tazed.

Have a feeling the number of people running out of field (and thus number of tazings) will both fall faster than the Greek bond market. :)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

74. Let's blow up cars that run red lights.

Crazy thought:

There are consequences for your actions.

Blow up the next idiot and the next one and the next one and the next.
Put up signs that says if you run a red light you will be blown up.

Have a feeling the number of people running red lights (and thus number of explosions) will both fall faster than the Greek bond market. :)

[defendandprotect]

79. +1 --

[Fastcars]

41. Tase baby, tase!

Why should the cop or the people working security risk injury to themselves to stop this kid that decided to run on the field?

Their is risk to tasing, but I would rather the LEO risk injuring the guy causing the incident than risk injury to himself or the kids working security trying to tackle and detain the guy. You never know if his is going to fight back or maybe even pull a weapon once personal contact is made. Then it may be too late to prevent him from seriously injuring you or your co-workers.

[DefenseLawyer]

45. I'm glad those two hippies that ran the bases with Hank Aaron were spared

I always liked those guys

[Are_grits_groceries]

48. They obviously forgot Disco Demolition night at

Comiskey Park in 1979. Now THAT was fans gone wild.

http://www.youtube.com/v/MpQfCcsqQ0E

[Uncle Joe]

50. What was the motivation behind destroying disco records?

Just because you don't like a certain style of music doesn't mean you should actively promote destroying it, how insecure and petty can you get by not letting other people appreciate their bliss without working to trash it?

I don't believe it was a coincidence that corporate supremacism took off as they worked to kill disco, I believe this was corporate media manipulation of American culture because disco; broke barriers, which corporate media product; Reagen would in due time work to buttress.

[Are_grits_groceries]

57. I don't think that was what that crowd was doing.

It was a PR baseball stunt that went waaaaay wrong. They never foresaw the crowd storming the field and creating the chaos they did. They picked disco because I think people either liked it or hated it.

I don't believe this was part of any concerted effort to destroy disco. I think any music that was picked would have created the same chaos. That was a baseball mess pure and simple. Any connection to the music industry and corporate plans was entirely incidental.

[defendandprotect]

80. Just as an aside . . .

I think there was an organized effort to destroy disco --

it was taking the country in an entirely new direction -- in many different ways.

but mainly it was making old music NOT as valuable any more.

That meant a lot of loss of $$ for some!

[Uncle Joe]

85. The movie Airplane; which is one of my favorites, however in one scene I recall

this same frame being pushed when a Disc Jockey on a radio station announces "Disco lives forever!" just before the airplane wing knocks their tower down taking them off the air.

I thought it was a radio station/baseball stunt but honestly I've come to view major professional sports and the corporate media as having a symbiotic relationship.

[ZombieHorde]

58. This is beyond my understanding.

I live in a society which tasers teenagers who briefly interrupt certain games as a little teenage joke. So weird.

[depakid]

59. Some of the comments are exactly what one would expect from a a nation of torturers

[Bonobo]

62. Depakid sees clearly.

We have become a nation of torturers.

I am horrified by this thread.

[depakid]

63. We're talking about the application of very painful and potentially lethal force

People forget that the whole justification for police to get Tasers in the first place was to subdue potentially violent suspects in cases in the past in which they might have been tempted to use deadly force. But the notion that the cops would have pulled a gun and shot this guy is absurd, which means the rationale for tasing him is...what? There's something oddly funny about zapping a fellow human for some reason, but tell that to the families of those who've died:

Amnesty International in a report called "USA: Less than Lethal?" found that 334 people had died between 2001 and 2008 after being struck by Tasers.

Most of those deaths were attributed by authorities to other factors, such as drug use. But medical examiners concluded that Tasering caused at least 50 of the deaths.

Now what are the odds that someone who runs onto the field in the middle of a ballgame is a little blitzed?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20100504_Dont_Tase_Them__Po.html

[Name removed]

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[Oilwellian]

70. It's stunning to say the least

Tasers should be limited to herding cattle.

[proteus_lives]

69. Depakid turns incident into a "America is bad" statement.

Wow, what shock.

No one could seen that coming from him! :rofl:

[depakid]

76. Just noting what anyone else can see for themselves

Your posts on criminal justice matters right here on this board speak quite well to the point that we were making.

Not that you can see that- but then, that's also very much part of the point.

[proteus_lives]

84. Anyone?

Or just people with a chip on their shoulders?

[defendandprotect]

82. Many here are avoiding seeing the reality Depakid is pointing to --

and in this case/thread, many are involved in encouraging more of it!

And, you can be sure it's coming--!!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

73. I assure you this demented pro-brutality mindset exists in many places.

Lots of "respectable" Brazilians are big fans of police brutality. There may be a slight difference in degree.

Catching the invader and wrestling him into the ground, although proven effective, won't give the psycho contingent their sadism fix.

And that's what it's all about. Punishment porn for the rotten-soul masses.

[defendandprotect]

83. Rough reality . . . but agree ...

[defendandprotect]

81. That's an apt summation of this thread -- "applause for torture" -- !!

Thank you -- !

:)

[NeedleCast]

61. Good

Stay off the field, asshat.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

72. How did spectator sports survived before tasers? -nt

[edbermac]

86. So what would happen if Morganna ran out onto the field?

:shrug: