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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:17 PM
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Too Dangerous to Fly on a Plane? Then Too Dangerous to Buy a Gun
Edited on Wed May-05-10 09:32 PM by kentuck
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Today we want to send a simple, common sense message: If someone is too dangerous to fly on a plane in this country, that person is too dangerous to buy explosives and guns.

Our national and local law enforcement officers work day and night, steadfastly safeguarding our communities. We owe it to them to meet their brave commitment with the tools they need to fight the relentless efforts of terrorists to inflict harm.

The Terror Gap refers to existing federal law that allows suspected terrorists to purchase firearms and explosives, even if the FBI has placed him or her on its terror watch list. That's because even though the FBI administers the federal background check for all gun purchases and explosives permits, the FBI cannot stop the sale to a suspected terrorist.

So even though the FBI knows every single time a person on the terror watch list tries to buy a gun or explosives, its agents must stand by, powerless, as the suspected terrorist purchases the gun. In fact, they were forced to stand by 865 times in five years - an average of over three times per week - as terror suspects applied to buy guns and explosives.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/antonio-villaraigosa/the-terror-gap_b_564576.html




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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:20 PM
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1. So you support using the Bush-era terra watchlist to strip at least one right..
.. any other constitutionally enumerated rights you'd like to strip people of based on the supah secret "we don't need no steenking due process" list?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:25 PM
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2. One right I would not like to strip...
Edited on Wed May-05-10 09:27 PM by kentuck
is the right for people to be stupid. It doesn't have anything to do with the 2nd Amendment. It has to do with protecting the citizens of the country from people that would do them harm. Do you think those people don't exist?

By the way, I did not write the article but I do agree with it.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:33 PM
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6. Such is the price of freedom
We disqualify evidence of a crime obtained in contravention of the rules. We inform people of their rights when we arrest them, and disallow statements you make after asking for a lawyer from being entered into evidence, even if it was a confession.

"Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."
-- William Blackstone

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living and the get-rich-quick theory of life."
--Theodore Roosevelt
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:27 PM
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3. I can't believe I'm going to agree with "teh gun nuts", but
I think this is the price we pay. If we really want to live up to our goals of freedom, democracy, and equality, then we don't have a choice: we must let even psychopaths and other sickos buy weaponry if they have yet to committ a crime that would make them ineligible.

This is the price we pay for the right to bear arms. Just like Fred Phelps, Rush Limbaugh, and many others are the price we pay for free speech.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:50 PM
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13. "freedom, democracy" LOLROTFLMAO ...you actually believe that shit?
Freedom and democracy have been placed at the alter of the military (MIC)and the banksters.
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:30 PM
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4. We are asked to focus on the mosquitos biting us while the
poisonous snakes are gathering silently at our feet!

The playbook goes: give up your notions of freedom and antiquated "rights" and we will then be able to keep you safe and secure. We will harp on that and inflate and inflame your fears until you eventually acquiesce. Once you agree, your consent will no longer be an issue in the matter -- forever. Sucker's game over!

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:48 PM
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11. The banksters have taken far more from us than any terrorist could ever hope for.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:32 PM
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5. And they're also too dangerous to speak in public, or be secure in their home, or vote.
If you're on that watch list, we just <i>know</i> you're up to something, even if we can't prove it in court. So we're going to pretend, just for you, that the Bill of Rights never happened. Just be glad if we don't disapear you.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:47 PM
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10. Maybe they shouldn't be allowed to vote as well.
:crazy:
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 11:11 PM
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15. Parody of insanity is indistinguishable from insanity.
I didn't realize the sarcasm tag was necessary. Sorry.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 09:36 PM
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7. UNREC. Utter BS that people on DU of all places support Shrubs TERRA list .
Edited on Wed May-05-10 09:37 PM by Statistical
Do you think there are a million terrorists in the US?

Well there are OVER a million people on the fascist Bush TERRA list.
So there are hundreds of thousands of incorrect names including at one time the late Senator Kennedy.

Progressives believe in Due Process and protection under the law.

Not fascist secret lists that strip citizens on their rights.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:33 PM
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8. everyone has a constitutional right to open carry loaded guns on public transit/airplanes nt
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:46 PM
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9. "safeguarding" MY ASS! They are "RE-ACTIVE ..not pro-active.
Study the difference between being a police officer and a security guard and then you will know what I am saying.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:49 PM
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12. Rest easy, my six year old son has no plans to buy a gun.
but he and I are both on the "list".
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-10 10:51 PM
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14. That vomit stain is a Republican. I wonder if he is buddies with Newt G?
they guy who walked in the last time pointless gun laws were passed.
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