LOWEST APPROVAL RATING in a generation. Even LOWER than Daddy's

[LynnTheDem]

lowest rating.

Poor George W. bUsh. Everyone hates him.

But The Decider's stupid bootlicking freeper pals are still stupid.

All 28% of them.

It’s hard to say which is worse news for Republicans: that George W. Bush now has the worst approval rating of an American president in a generation, or that he seems to be dragging every ’08 Republican presidential candidate down with him. But According to the new NEWSWEEK Poll, the public’s approval of Bush has sunk to 28 percent, an all-time low for this president in our poll, and a point lower than Gallup recorded for his father at Bush Sr.’s nadir. The last president to be this unpopular was Jimmy Carter who also scored a 28 percent approval in 1979.

This remarkably low rating seems to be casting a dark shadow over the GOP’s chances for victory in ’08. The NEWSWEEK Poll finds each of the leading Democratic contenders beating the Republican frontrunners in head-to-head matchups.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18505030/site/newsweek/

[EFerrari]

1. How are they going to steal the election if nobody likes them?

lol

:hi:

[live love laugh]

4. Well, didn't you watch the debates? "Ronald Raygun" will save them.

Everybody liked Raygun. All they have to do is keep chanting his name and they win. :sarcasm:

[EFerrari]

6. Somebody has to start debunking Raygun's sainthood.

Reminding people how he tried to kill Labor would be a good start.

[Submariner]

7. Rachel Maddow took a crack at it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x26558

[live love laugh]

11. That was well done. Too bad it won't get the reach needed to squelch the Raygun BS. nt

[EFerrari]

20. One of the Dem front-runners has to promise to fix everything that

cold blooded @sshole screwed up. The real Raygun legacy is anti-American sentiment in the world and the erosion of the middle class at home. And every year on the anniversary of his going straight to hell, someone should post a good essay to the tubes that will get passed around.

Letting him be fictionalized for an entire week was a terrible mistake.

[EFerrari]

14. I have to start listening to her. That was great, thank you.

:)

[NewJeffCT]

23. Too often, Dems let Republican boasts about Reagan slide

I remember hearing Sean Hannity reel off a list of Reagan accomplishments when he was on the Jerry Springer radio show a year or two back... Springer did not challenge any of them, just said that Reagan would be turning over in his grave over Bush... One Hannity falsehood stood out because I looked it up afterwards - Hannity talked about the Reagan legacy as 22 million jobs in 8 years, longest peacetime expansion in history, etc... yet, the Reagan economy created 16 million jobs in 8 years, and it was Clinton who had 22 million jobs and the longest peacetime economic expansion in history. Heck, Jimmy Carter created jobs at a better rate than Ronald Reagan and he spent his 4 years in office cleaning up the mess Nixon had left.

[EFerrari]

25. He's their escape hatch after Junior and we have to nail it shut.

If people get no overtime pay, they should thank Ronnie. If Americans have to pretend they're Canadian when they travel, thank Ronnie. When you walk by a homeless vet, thank Ronnie.

And since his IranContra felons are at the heart of Junior's administration, there is no difference between a "Raygun" Republic and a "Bush" Republic. None. Zip.

[NewJeffCT]

32. One thing I've quoted before on Reagan that surprises people

Ask them which 20th century president had more people in his administration indicted & convicted of crimes than all other presidents in the 20th century combined.

Most people will guess Nixon first, then maybe Clinton (if the person is a Republican) or Harding. Everybody seems surprised when you tell them it's Reagan.

[EFerrari]

35. I didn't know that. We seriously have to put together

a debunking thread with facts like that one.

(And I wonder how many of those indicted guys are in our government now?)

[NewJeffCT]

41. A handful of them in the Bush White House

Eliot Abrams for one.

Not sure if John "Death Squad" Negroponte was ever indicted. It's almost like a black comedy when Bush brought in Negroponte and then shifted him to the State Department in order to bring back competence to the Dept (it had fallen apart under Condi)

But, the thing on Reagan has been on DU a few times over the last 3 1/2 years I've been here.

[EFerrari]

61. And who was that Total Information military type? Can't get his name.

He was an IranContra felon, too but I don't remember if he was indicted.

Maybe Octafish has a thread in the archives.

/oops

[krkaufman]

67. John Poindexter

http://www.cato.org/dailys/01-20-03.html

[EFerrari]

78. Thank you

:)

[Joe Fields]

42. They didn't call him the "Teflon President" for nothing. I remember

all too well the real scandals that swirled around the Reagan admin. And yet, "Saint Ronnie" remained untouched.

[EFerrari]

63. My mom used to say teflon explained why reality never entered

his thick head. lol

[krkaufman]

68. Watch this video and you'll see why RR was able to escape criticism

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x25556

The media had begun their deference to Republicans during his term. As Pincus says in the interview, "the public at large" complained regarding their truth-squadding of Reagan's BS, and so the Post backed off. Negligent journalism.

[riverdale]

98. teflon

I remember agreeing at the time that Reagan was the teflon president for some unknown reason, but then came Bush I and Bush II. I realized that ANY Republican president is the teflon prez, because the press pretty much will give them a free ride.

[live love laugh]

43. I don't think you have to work that hard to find the reality of the Raygun era...

Weren't there gas lines? Didn't he undermine unions? The economy was in a shambles the entire time he was in office with stagflation. The Raygun era was a dour one.

In contrast to, say, the Kennedy era or even the Clinton era and it's easy to see that there are NO great republicons.

[NewJeffCT]

49. Gas lines were Nixon, Ford & Carter

I don't remember them under Reagan.

The economy under Reagan was similar to now - great corporate profits, but the average worker lost ground. What saved us was that we were not as saddled with debt as we are now and that outsourcing to India & China didn't really happen - China's economy didn't really open up until the 90s.

[EFerrari]

64. I remember the real estate market was so bad, my mom's

realtor friends got t-shirts "I survived the market of (whatever the year was)"

[EFerrari]

113. "republican president" should be an oxymoron. They suck at it. n/t

[krkaufman]

66. Well, let's be honest about Carter's term.

The mess he was cleaning-up wasn't only the product of Nixon & Ford. The mess was largely due to the Vietnam War, escalated under Democratic presidents but especially Johnson. All that aside, Carter was most definitely hamstrung during his term, and doesn't get the credit he deserves.

Carter is derided my the conventional wisdom drones while Reagan is hailed. It's gonna be an uphill battle to change either of those perspectives.

[NewJeffCT]

106. agreed, uphill a mountain

Probably not until after my lifetime is over and historians have a realistic long-term perspective on Reagan will he be taken down a notch or two. Then, they probably won't have to worry about their heads being bitten off if they dare utter one slightly negative thing about St. Ronnie.

[LuckyLib]

65. Creating his sainthood was and is Nancy Reagan's full time job. Too bad so many

in the MSM have gone along with it.

[EFerrari]

80. Presstitutes. n/t

[tomp]

110. a blow job here and there can go a long way. nt

[Cetacea]

100. Difficult. The MSM loves the Gipper. gag.

The media were more sickening with Reagan than with *ush, unbelievable as that seems.

[symbolman]

104. I created this in honor of his Funeral

so that people would know what kind of a bastard he really is :)

http://web.takebackthemedia.com/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20040618050418549

Called: "Mourning For America" :)

Enjoy folks! Turn up those speakers, Pink Floyd!

[EFerrari]

112. That's excellent, symbolman. And you made me remember

that bastard was president of the Screen Actors' Guild and cooperated with Joe Mcarthy from about 1947.

Perfect tune. :hi:

[symbolman]

114. Lol!

Thanks, people really have no idea how NASTY this guy was, eh?

Working on a new one right now, should launch it tomorrow, about Reagan and the DEBATE, if you could call it that... :)

[EFerrari]

115. Awesome!

:)

[B Calm]

107. I'll admit, the cons did a damn good job rewriting history for Raygun.

I hated the bastard and what he did to the hard working middle class. To hear the cons talked, it was a period of prosperity. At my factory we took three wage and benefit concessions when this bastard was in office. The company said they needed concessions to make them more competive in the marketplace. Each time we took a concession, they raised the price of their product. It all started when Raygun destroyed the PATCO union and it snowballed throughout the country. They ended up closing down our factory and moved the operations to Mexico. Despite our 3 different wage and benefit concessions, they said they had to move because the high cost of labor.

[Thor_MN]

111. All it will take is a Dem president to unseal his papers

Doubledip executive ordered St. Ronnie's papers sealed in violation of post-Nixon legislation. The secrets of the Reagan White House will come spilling out if we can take the country back. That, in my mind, will seal the fate of the neocons.

[poverlay]

54. I know! I kept expecting them to stand in front of a mirror with their hands clasped in front

and chant: "We must, we must, we must increase our bust!".

(Sorry, Judy Blume reference~couldn't be avoided.)

[calimary]

91. Well, junior certainly has rehabilitated reagan. I mean, if you had to choose

between st. ronnie and caligula, wouldn't you go with the dead guy?

Even Randi Rhodes said she'd have reagan as president ANY DAY instead of george. george actually made ronnie look good. He's actually made nixon look good. Both of those statements I thought I'd never utter.

[AX10]

2. This poll is more logical. How the HELL could any Republican...

be defeating a Democrat, given the current enviroment?

[babylonsister]

3. Boo hoo, rethugs. Nice to see this in black and white! nt

[CJCRANE]

5. I'll bet * has the HIGHEST

DISapproval rating too.

[williesgirl]

8. It's so sad that 28% still think he's ok - what's wrong with them? recommended

[patricia92243]

12. Most people don't know beans about politics, and when asked if they approve of the Prez - no matter

who it is - they will answer yes.

[senseandsensibility]

28. Well, obviously not "most" people

but I guess you're right about twenty eight percent of them.

[EFerrari]

16. Well, he's lost 5% of his wingnut base. That's encouraging! n/t

[Nite Owl]

9. Numbers like this

should help the dems stick together on facing that veto and bring along some repukes too.

[tinrobot]

10. What's really delicious...

...is that the Repug candidates absolutely positively need this 28% to get elected.

So, they'll have to pander to the minority and defend Bush's failures while trying not to alienate the 62% majority. I can't think of a way they can do that without appearing to be wishy washy and indecisive.

We don't have that problem. The majority is on our side.

Heh heh.

[DaveT]

15. That's 72% that don't approve of Bush -- nt

[Beetwasher]

13. And Then The Bottom Fell Out

Yup, we've broken through. It was plateuing there for a while.

[AlCzervik]

17. This just in-syphilis and typhoid mary and are now more popular than Bush.

[Philosoraptor]

36. Even Hitler had SOME likable qualities, but dubya is like his mommy

[IntravenousDemilo]

84. "Hitler, now there was a painter!

He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon, two coats!"

[Philosoraptor]

105. He absolutely LOVED his dog, and Eva too.

[GreenPartyVoter]

18. I think this is why he mentioned vetoing abortion bills.

Anything to get a bump up.

[Philosoraptor]

19. Just below Jeffery Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy.

[saltpoint]

21. Dubya's poll numbers are pretty weak these days.

And those 28% out there are frightening.

"Yep! We just love Dubya. He's a GREAT president!"

My god.

[rasputin1952]

22. I think syphilis gets at least 29%! N/t

[Philosoraptor]

31. Yeah, I'll trust syphilis over dubya any day.

[AlCzervik]

34. yes and at least syphilis can be cured.

[Philosoraptor]

37. And it's A LOT less painful & lingering.

[rasputin1952]

40. They used to use mercury injected into the urethra to try and

cure syphilis...this gives me an idea...:D

[FloridaJudy]

88. And you have more fun catching syphilis n/t

[calteacherguy]

24. It may be closer to 35.7%.....I prefer this site.

Just because I think polling numbers can vary widely from poll to poll, so I think an average is more valid.



Date Approve Disapprove
RCP Average 04/17 - 05/02 35.7% 58.5%

It's an average of all polls taken. Great site for checking out polls for primaries, congressional approval, etc. as well.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/archive/?poll_id=19

[AlCzervik]

26. thats a rw site.

[calteacherguy]

46. Wow. I didn't know that.

It looked to me like the just took all the averages of dozens of polls. When I noticed that polls varied a lot, somehow I found this site and it seemed like a logical approach to me to take an average. Who runs the site? Is their evidence they are cheery-picking the polls?

Thanks for the heads-up.

[AlCzervik]

50. here is an article about the owners and also look at their link list-little green footballs

http://www.princeton.edu/~paw/web_exclusives/more/more_20.html

they want to "Counter balance the liberal bias" palease.

[calteacherguy]

55. Well, I just don't know.

Thanks for the info., it's very interesting.

Still, it's the only site I know of that takes so many polls and finds an "average." The question arises that since they do have a political bias (as almost everyone does), do they "cherry-pick" the polls they are using in their average? They do seem to list a lot of polls, and I'd be surprised if all the polls they include have a right-wing bias.

Wish I could find a site that took all the left-biased polls and right-biased polls and came up with something approaching reality.

Still, thanks for the info. of their political leanings. Definitely good information to know.

[July]

69. Try Pollkatz.

Can't remember if it's www.pollkatz.com or www.pollkatz.org. His "Flush Bush" chart is fascinating. There's also www.pollingreport.com and Survey USA, which has very interesting data in their 50-state summaries.

[OzarkDem]

72. More than an average

it helps to know which pollsters are reputable these days, and which ones aren't. Standards have really dropped in the public polling profession and the news media no longer holds them accountable, but usually helps them sell bad information.

If you pay close attention each election, you'll find the ones who have results for hire. Among them are Rasmussen, Mason Dixon, and even sometimes Zogby (he even hired a GOP operative last year). For that reason, "averages" aren't very helpful.

Mainstream news media polls are still somewhat accurate on issues.

Here are some more links:

Survey USA is pretty good

http://www.surveyusa.com/polling.html

http://www.pollingreport.com/

[senseandsensibility]

30. Thanks for showing us how

popular chimp is. Oh, and welcome to DU.

[calteacherguy]

44. I wouldn't call 35% popular!

Just pointing out the polls vary, is all.

[live love laugh]

47. Averages of averages are misleading. I'll go with the current 28% but thanks. n/t

[senseandsensibility]

27. I will keep this kicked because

we need the good news around here. I also love these kind of gloating threads because, well,...I'm like that.:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :party: :party: :party: :party: :party: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[EFerrari]

29. But, there's no popular support for impeachment?

Come again?

[Philosoraptor]

33. We just keep him around for comic relief, he's cheney's goofy sidekick

In the big Disney movie of life.

[EFerrari]

38. Now I get what McCain is up to: he's the understudy!

:rofl:

[senseandsensibility]

48. I thought it was hysterical when fineman

(I think it was fineman) called him "popeye" during the post debate analysis on MSNBC. McCain really has regressed into a complete cartoon character.

[mzmolly]

51. Could it be people fear another Republican in 08 if we do impeach?

Could we give Republicans fodder to rid themselves of this disaster by allowing them to vote for the big "I?"

Not sure, but I can't imagine anyone more deserving of Impeachment.

[EFerrari]

60. Well, it would be a way for the Thugs to distance themselves,

that's true enough. I just don't see how, even given that, they'd be able to elect anyone with so much antipathy against them. They have no good candidate and people are pissed. They'd pretty much have to resurrect Lincoln AND Raygun. :shrug:

[mzmolly]

79. I agree with you. I think the best way to fight Terrorism is to send a message to the world

that lying a Nation into war with innocent people is unacceptable in a Democracy. And, frankly I'd rather see a President Pelosi than a President Clinton. ;) Perhaps we should start a "Pelosi for President" campaign? A subtle way to share how we feel....

[senseandsensibility]

39. I find the poll numbers about Hillary's political courage

absolutely astounding. She has more political courage than anyone running of either party. I'm not bashing her, but does anyone else find this to be surprising?

[WinkyDink]

45. What does HE care? He'll have 8 years to his old man's four.

[gristy]

52. I think the last Harris poll is at 28% too

[senseandsensibility]

53. Yes I remember seeing that on DU

So here is confirmation.

[Hubert Flottz]

56. It just proves that the people pick better men than the SCOTUS

So next time, let the votes be counted.

[rndmprsn]

57. K+R

[Gloria]

58. I fear Mitt Romney will channel Reagan ....If we don't have someone

to challenge all those "stereotypes" that that will entail, we are screwed. Edwards seems to be well-placed to do this...Mitt's new ad talks about Americans being "overtaxed" (except the wealthy) and that gov. is spending too much money (on a waste of a war, asshole). Meanwhile, Edwards is speaking up for the little guy, and talking about the tax situation with the wealthy, etc. That is the ground we have to fight on....

[Mojambo]

95. Our "guy" needs to channel FDR.

I agree that Edwards is the one to do it.

[tabasco]

59. Candy Crowley said in her report two days ago that Shrub was at 36%.

Lying weasel propagandist can't handle the truth!

[AzDar]

62. I STILL think it's inflated....more like 20-24 %.

[July]

70. When polls separate approval into "strongly approve" and "approve,"

"strongly" is usually (lately) around 17 or 18 percent (which is Cheney's high). I always figure that's the hard core.

[speedoo]

71. He will be below 20% before he leaves office.

I have always believed that and now the events are making it happen.

If there is any justice it will take longer for the rethugs to recover from this disaster than it will take the world.

Those 2008 preference numbers look just delicious, because Rudy's numbers will begin declining soon, Romney's going nowhere and McCain is toast.

[live love laugh]

74. I believe he is already at 20, those polls are skewed and biased and they still

do poorly on them. It's akin to Bush acknowledging that 35,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed when the reality is 650,000 have been killed. They acknowledge that he's doing badly, but they won't let on how REALLY bad he is.

[fooj]

87. I'm in COMPLETE agreement.

[catmandu57]

73. We had the dirty thirty

Now we need a name for the hardcore twenty somethings.

[lovuian]

75. and that is a load of BS

it probably like Cheney's 9%

Republican party is destroyed and good riddance

[Enrique]

76. Broder bounce

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/5/12229/33957

Since David Broder will explain the broder bounce tomorrow in his WaPo column

Arden, N.C.: Mr. Broder, you stated that you would revisit your Bush bounce column. We haven't seen it yet. Is it coming any time soon?

David S. Broder: The column for Sunday is an effort to explain why Bush has a tactical advantage over the Democrats att the moment, but why it is unlikely to last. That's my best effort at an update.

it's helpful to give him some data to work with.

From Newsweek:

It’s hard to say which is worse news for Republicans: that George W. Bush now has the worst approval rating of an American president in a generation, or that he seems to be dragging every ’08 Republican presidential candidate down with him. But According to the new NEWSWEEK Poll, the public’s approval of Bush has sunk to 28 percent, an all-time low for this president in our poll, and a point lower than Gallup recorded for his father at Bush Sr.’s nadir. The last president to be this unpopular was Jimmy Carter who also scored a 28 percent approval in 1979. This remarkably low rating seems to be casting a dark shadow over the GOP’s chances for victory in ’08. The NEWSWEEK Poll finds each of the leading Democratic contenders beating the Republican frontrunners in head-to-head matchups.

We look forward to the explanation.

[senseandsensibility]

77. kick

:kick:

[senseandsensibility]

81. kick for the night

crowd :kick:

[onehandle]

82. Our next President will be a Democrat and we will gain in the House and Senate.

Eat it, Freepers.

[frogcycle]

83. hey, he finally managed to outdo daddy!

[Cameron27]

85. Kick for 28%

Kick for the next Democrat in the WH !!!

[Christa]

86. Not low enugh yet

I want it at 0%.

Amazingly I still se cars with Bush 2004 bumperstickers on - once peeled one off a parked car. I broke a few nails, but it was worth it.

[senseandsensibility]

89. kick

:-)

[calimary]

90. Great job, junior! You beat daddy there, too.

:nopity:

[Handsome Pete]

92. First, he were the deciderer...

and now, he am the limbo-rator! How low can he go? Rock bottom apparently. 28% and sinking like a stone? Catapault THAT little bit o' propaganda, George.

Dance, Dubya, dance!


and yet another vote for 20% or below.

Not that I'd gloat or anything...

[emilyg]

93. Makes me very happy.

[Mojambo]

94. Fred Thompson will announce this week.

Those numbers have to scare the HELL out of the GOP.

[Senator]

96. But Impeaching Him Would Be "Too Divisive"

Why must the rational 72 percent tolerate the crazy 28 percent??

Statistical anomaly.

You see, among that 28 percent exists 51 percent of Georgetown cocktail party attendees.

Oh, the humanity.

---

[Swamp Rat]

97. k&r

:)

[Kazak]

99. Yeah, because of the veto...

Wonder if that's the reason they made that strange announcement about their abortion veto threat seemingly out of nowhere? :shrug:

[Raine]

101. Chimp has even lost the "dirty thirty" percent

that's unheard of for a repuke. :rofl:

[ClayZ]

102. K & R

[wiley]

103. He's like a dense, evil comic book character

But he actually makes decisions that hurt or gravely harm people.

[Danger Mouse]

108. Won't be satisfied until he is in the single digits...

and only the criminally insane and extremely evil, black-hearted completely soulless Republicans can stand him.

[RestoreGore]

109. And of course that is what this is all about

A shame we have to depend on his low ratings to get votes. Shouldn't we be able to do that even if he had a 60 percent approval, simply because we have better ideas and solutions? But I guess it is still the same political system that runs on polls and soundbites. And shouldn't we then, seeing this kind of rating act quicker to remove him from our government so that he and his cohorts can do no more damage to this country? Or is winning the only thing cared about over doing what is morally right?