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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:37 PM
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K&R and check in if you demand Salazar to be fired over the recent oil fiasco.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:37 PM
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1. Gladly
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:39 PM
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2. +1
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:42 PM
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4. 3 of us recommended and then 3 unrecommended....
Which is fine, it's a free country, I just wish the unrecs would explain why they support him.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:55 PM
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6. perplexing
how could anyone support big oil? or think it was ok that this eis was not conducted?
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:42 PM
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23. Drive-by cowards
BTW, I neither rec'd nor unrec'd.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:54 PM
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30. well, you're being honest about it
to your credit
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:16 PM
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32. I meant to unrec and hit rec by accident
and I was one of the first.
As NYC_SKP said below, it's premature to call for his resignation.
It's naive to blame Salazar for this, it was set up before he got there and Obama supported it.
Salazar recognizes the importance of off-shore wind and has taken a lot of heat for it, I'd hate to see who he might be replaced with.
The anti-renewable pro-coal pro-nuke luddites would love to see Salazar replaced with someone more Republican.
I saw how Van Jones was thrown under the bus.
Let's hear it from Obama first: no more off-shore drilling, no more compromises with Republicans.
I'm not going to support scapegoating anyone under Obama when Obama would just appoint someone worse.

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:39 PM
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3. Yeah, Salazar should be fired
And then Cheney should be prosecuted.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:50 PM
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5. Did he sink the ship?
Edited on Thu May-06-10 09:54 PM by Ozymanithrax
Did he cause the leak?
Was he working for BP?

I'm at a loss why he should be fired.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:55 PM
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7. Because BP was exempted from doing an enviornmental impact study because spill was "unlikely"?
Edited on Thu May-06-10 09:57 PM by Bluebear
The Interior Department exempted BP's calamitous Gulf of Mexico drilling operation from a detailed environmental impact analysis last year, according to government documents, after three reviews of the area concluded that a massive oil spill was unlikely.

The decision by the department's Minerals Management Service (MMS) to give BP's lease at Deepwater Horizon a "categorical exclusion" from the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) on April 6, 2009 -- and BP's lobbying efforts just 11 days before the explosion to expand those exemptions -- show that neither federal regulators nor the company anticipated an accident of the scale of the one unfolding in the gulf.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/04/AR2010050404118.html

Some steward of the interior.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:57 PM
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9. The WH has already
Edited on Thu May-06-10 09:57 PM by ProSense
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:00 PM
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11. Looked at several stories...I agree. Fire his ass. n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:08 PM
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14. :)
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:01 PM
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12. .
Edited on Thu May-06-10 10:08 PM by Bluebear
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:20 PM
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19. 2-1/2 months should have been enough time to analyze all 8 years
worth of Bush/Cheney Interior policy decisions and predict this event. I love it, though. Policies directly implemented by the previous administration turn disastrous. Who's to blame? Obama's team!
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:56 PM
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31. the tragedy
is that the environmental study was to be conducted April 2009

had it been done, as required, the project would not have gone forward.....

so despite all the crimes of Bush and Cheney, this could have been stopped

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:45 PM
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24. The head of MMS was Bush's pick when the exemption took place
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:45 PM
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25. And the buck stopped with Salazar.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:50 PM
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28. The buck stopped with Obama.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:51 PM
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29. Musn't say that.
:silly:
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:23 PM
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33.  K&R and check in if you demand Obama to be fired over the recent oil fiasco.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8268565

Obama: Move beyond "tired debates" on offshore drilling & "stale debates" on nuclear.

Maybe Obama needs to stop moving beyond debates and start looking at the arguments underlying the debates. In the case of offshore drilling, he seems George W. Bush Mission Accomplished wrong in his efforts to draw equivalence between the right and the left. As it turns out, the left was right. In the case of nuclear, is his leadership any less suspect than it was on offshore drilling?

<snip>

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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:57 PM
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8. the exemption:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 09:58 PM
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10. It's OK as long as "our side" does it.
:silly:
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:09 PM
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16. that seems to
be the attitude of many Dems
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:35 PM
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22. Look at this:
"Hours after they had been rescued, workers who survived an explosion on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico were asked to sign form letters about what they had seen and whether they had been injured."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4371560

So, how long do you need to figure out these people need to be overseen? Longer than it takes them to prey on traumatized employees, I guess.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:06 PM
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13. You might find this of interest.

Feds Let BP Avoid Filing Blowout Plan For Gulf Oil Rig


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/06/feds-let-bp-avoid-filing-_n_566224.html



NEW ORLEANS — Petrochemical giant BP didn't file a plan to specifically handle a major oil spill from an uncontrolled blowout at its Deepwater Horizon project because the federal agency that regulates offshore rigs changed its rules two years ago to exempt certain projects in the central Gulf region, according to an Associated Press review of official records.

The Minerals Management Service, an arm of the Interior Department known for its cozy relationship with major oil companies, says it issued the rule relief because some of the industrywide mandates weren't practical for all of the exploratory and production projects operating in the Gulf region.

The blowout rule, the fact that it was lifted in April 2008 for rigs that didn't fit at least one of five conditions, and confusion about whether the BP Deepwater Horizon project was covered by the regulation, caught the attention of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar.

Following a tour of a boom operation in Gulf Shores, Ala., Salazar said Wednesday that he understood BP was required to file plans for coping with a blowout at the well that failed.

"My understanding is that everything was in its proper place," said Salazar.

But an AP review of government and BP documents found that the company had not filed a specific comprehensive blowout plan for the rig that exploded April 20, leaving 11 workers dead and spewing an estimated 210,000 gallons of oil a day.

<snip>

I'm all for accountability, but let's aim for the real perps who have loaded lots of ticking time bombs into our government.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:08 PM
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15. if the Env Impact Study had been done April 2009, the
project would have been prohibited

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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:16 PM
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17. Nope. The Environmental Impact Report exemption needs to be investigated thoroughly...
...but talk of firing the man is incredibly premature and I'm confident even after a fair investigation we're going to find nothing that warrants his stepping down or being forced out.

BP and Halliburton made representations that were so misleading as to be, probably, downright criminal and are at the heart of this fiasco.

Whistleblower: BP Risks More Massive Catastrophes in Gulf

Friday 30 April 2010
by: Jason Leopold, t r u t h o u t | Report

A former contractor who worked for BP claims the oil conglomerate broke federal laws and violated its own internal procedures by failing to maintain crucial safety and engineering documents related to one of the firms other deepwater production projects in the Gulf of Mexico, according to internal emails and other documents obtained by Truthout.

The whistleblower, whose name has been withheld at the person's request because the whistleblower still works in the oil industry and fears retaliation, first raised concerns about safety issues related to BP Atlantis, the world's largest and deepest semi-submersible oil and natural gas platform, located about 200 miles south of New Orleans, in November 2008. Atlantis, which began production in October 2007, has the capacity to produce about 8.4 million gallons of oil and 180 million cubic feet of natural gas per day.

It was then that the whistleblower, who was hired to oversee the company's databases that housed documents related to its Atlantis project, discovered that the drilling platform had been operating without a majority of the engineer-approved documents it needed to run safely, leaving the platform vulnerable to a catastrophic disaster that would far surpass the massive oil spill that began last week following a deadly explosion on a BP-operated drilling rig.

BP's own internal communications show that company officials were made aware of the issue and feared that the document shortfalls related to Atlantis "could lead to catastrophic operator error" and must be addressed.

http://www.truthout.org/whistlelower-bps-other-offshore-drilling-project-gulf-vulnerable-catastrophe59027
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:19 PM
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18. In "24 business hours"?? nt
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:22 PM
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21. but it's not just this fiasco; there's a history of similar decisions:
Hon. Ken Salazar
Office of the Secretary
Department of the Interior
1849 C Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20240

Re: Reconsideration of Arctic Ocean Exploration Drilling Plans for 2010

Dear Secretary Salazar:

In October and December of last year, you approved Shell Oil Company’s plans to drill for oil in
the Beaufort and Chukchi seas this summer. We write to formally request that you reconsider
your approvals of Shell’s drilling plans in light of the ongoing Deepwater Horizon exploration
drilling oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The events surrounding the spill provide significant new
information that requires the Minerals Management Service (MMS) to supplement its analysis of
Shell’s drilling plans. The new information goes to the heart of the decision to approve Shell’s
plans, and accordingly you should suspend your approval of the drilling pending reconsideration
of the environmental analysis in light of the Deepwater Horizon spill. Because Shell’s drilling
could commence within sixty days, your urgent action is required.

The Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act (OCSLA) requires you to permit offshore oil and gas
activity only “subject to environmental safeguards,” 43 U.S.C. § 1332(3), and in full compliance
with National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). 43 U.S.C. § 1866(a). To fulfill this mandate,
you have the authority to suspend operations when necessary to carry out the requirements of
NEPA or to conduct an environmental analysis. 30 C.F.R. § 250.172(d); see also id. at §
250.172(b) (providing for suspension of operations when “activities pose a threat of serious,
irreparable, or immediate harm or damage . . . . includ a threat to life (including fish and
other aquatic life) . . . or the marine, coastal, or human environment”).

NEPA compels supplementation of environmental impact analyses when “there are significant new
circumstances or information relevant to environmental concerns and bearing on the proposed
action or its impacts.” 40 C.F.R. § 1502.9(c)(1)(ii); Idaho Sporting Cong., Inc. v. Alexander, 222
F.3d 562, 566 n.2 (9th Cir. 2000) (“NEPA imposes on federal agencies a continuing duty to
supplement existing EAs and EISs in response to ‘significant new circumstances or information
relevant to environmental concerns and bearing on the proposed action or its impacts.’”) (quoting
40 C.F.R. § 1509(c)(1)(ii)).


Despite the different operating environments, the Deepwater Horizon spill is directly relevant to
the analyses underlying your decision to approve Shell’s Arctic Ocean exploration drilling plans.
MMS did not analyze or disclose the effects of a large oil spill from Shell’s activities before
approving the plans, even though it acknowledges that such a spill could have devastating
consequences and could be difficult to clean up in the Arctic Ocean’s icy waters. The agency
concluded that a large spill was “too remote and speculative an occurrence” to warrant analysis,1
in part because, “since 1971, no large crude or condensate spills have occurred from well-control
incidents while drilling approximately 14,000 OCS exploration wells.”2 MMS also concluded
that “a large spill likely would not be from a well-control incident.”

snip

....should re-evaluate the Department’s decision to approve Shell’s drilling plans without examining
the potential impacts of a large oil spill from Shell’s exploration drilling in the Arctic Ocean.
In addition, MMS approved Shell’s exploration plan despite the fact that, as MMS staff
recognized, Shell did “not adequately describe plans to respond to loss or disablement of
drilling unit,” the Frontier Discoverer.8 This is a critical omission, because Shell’s plans for
responding to an oil spill rely on being able to use the Discoverer to drill a relief well. Shell
does not explain how it will stop an oil spill if the Discoverer is disabled. The catastrophic loss
of the Deepwater Horizon and the resulting spill highlight the central importance of requiring
Shell to have a plan to respond to loss or disablement of its drillship. On that basis, you should
re-evaluate the decisions to approve the drilling plans.

The Deepwater Horizon spill also raises serious questions about the adequacy of Shell’s oil spill
contingency and response plans. Shell’s drill sites are remote, with much less onshore
infrastructure or available emergency response equipment and personnel than in the Gulf of
Mexico. An oil spill from Shell’s drilling could occur when sea-ice is in the area, significantly
complicating clean-up efforts.9 Shell’s worst-case oil spill scenario contemplates a daily spill
rate roughly equivalent to the reported Deepwater Horizon spill rate,10 but the capacity to
respond to such a spill in the Arctic Ocean is likely much smaller than in the Gulf of Mexico.
For example, Shell’s Chukchi Sea oil spill response plan discloses only six major offshore spill
response vessels (only three with identified storage capability),11 the most critical of which could
......

snip

.....the Deepwater Horizon spill, testified before a Senate committee last August, the Coast Guard has
“limited response resources and capabilities” in the event of a major oil spill in the Arctic
Ocean.14 In comparison, BP reported that it had mobilized response vessels, including 32 spill
response vessels with a skimming capacity of more than 171,000 barrels per day and an offshore
storage capacity of 122,000 barrels within forty-eight hours of the Deepwater Horizon blowout.15
As of the morning of April 30, Unified Command reported that “75 response vessels are being
used including skimmers, tugs, barges and recovery vessels”16 and President Obama explained a
total of “300 response vessels and aircraft” were on-site fighting the spill.17 Despite the quick
mobilization of these significant response resources, the Deepwater Horizon spill remains
uncontained.18

The new, and evolving, information from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill is significant, and it
calls into question issues that are central to your decision to approve Shell’s proposed
exploration drilling. It requires reconsideration of that decision, and given the importance of the
areas at risk and the issues you must reconsider, you should suspend your approvals of Shell’s
drilling during the pendency of that reconsideration. Such a suspension would not only fulfill
NEPA and OCSLA’s purposes, it would further your commitment to let science guide your
decision-making in the Arctic Ocean. A suspension would also be consistent with your recent
decision to commission a United States Geological Survey study to, among other things,
“determine what research is needed for an effective and reliable oil spill response in ice-covered
regions.”19
In addition, suspending your approval of Shell’s drilling plans would also permit you to ensure
that a reassessment of the plans that addresses the significant gaps in the Alaska MMS’s NEPA
13 Id. at 1-19.
14 Allen Senate Testimony at 18; see also id. at 12-15.
15 British Petroleum, BP Initiates Response to Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill (April 22, 2010),
http://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/2931/528479 /.
16 Deepwater Horizon Response (April 30, 2010),
http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/doc/2931/534... /.
17 Statement by the President on the Economy and the Oil Spill in the Gulf of Mexico (April 30,
2010), http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/statement-pr... -
mexico.
18 Additionally, critical oil spill response supplies staged in Alaska upon which Shell’s spill
response plans rely, such as chemical dispersants and in situ burn booms are reported to have
been deployed to the Gulf of Mexico to aid in the ongoing response efforts there.
19 U.S. Dep’t of Interior, Secretary Salazar Unveils Arctic Studies Initiative that will Inform Oil
and Gas Decisions for Beaufort and Chukchi Seas (April 13, 2010),
http://www.doi.gov/news/pressreleases/2010_04_13_releas... .
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processes recently detailed by the Government Accountability Office.20 According to the report,
“the Alaska OCS Region shares information—including information related to NEPA analyses—
on a need-to-know basis.”21 “nterviews with staff analysts in the
Environmental Assessment Section . . . indicated that they believed that these informationsharing
practices hindered their ability to complete sound environmental analyses under
NEPA.”22 In fact, “some of own scientists have alleged that their
findings have been suppressed.”23 NEPA analyses of oil spills and the impact to the Arctic
environment based on this “need-to-know” approach constitutes an unacceptable risk to the
people and resources of the Arctic. Furthermore, a suspension would allow you to more fully
consult with federally recognized Alaska Native tribal governments on decisions involving
Shell’s drilling plans in fulfillment of the Obama administration’s policy of ensuring meaningful
and regular collaboration on issues that affect tribal governments.
For the foregoing reasons, the undersigned groups respectfully request that you prepare a
supplemental environmental analysis of Shell’s drilling plans, suspend your approvals of Shell’s
drilling pending that analysis, and reconsider the approval decisions in light of new information
from the Deepwater Horizon spill.
Sincerely,
ALASKA WILDERNESS LEAGUE
CENTER FOR BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY
DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE
EARTHJUSTICE
GREENPEACE USA
NATIONAL AUDUBON SOCIETY
NATIVE VILLAGE OF POINT HOPE
NATURAL RESOURCES DEFENSE COUNCIL
NORTHERN ALASKA ENVIRONMENTAL CENTER
OCEANA
PACIFIC ENVIRONMENT
RESISTING ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION ON INDIGENOUS LANDS (REDOIL)
SIERRA CLUB
THE WILDERNESS SOCIETY
WORLD WILDLIFE FUND
20 Government Accountability Office, Offshore Oil and Gas Development, Additional Guidance
would Help Strengthen the Minerals Management Service’s Assessment of Environmental
Impacts in the North Aleutian Basin, GAO-10-276 (March 2010) (GAO report).
21 GAO report at 25.
22 GAO report at 26.
23 GAO report at 27.
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cc:
Lisa Jackson, Environmental Protection Agency
Jane Lubchenco, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
Liz Birnbaum, Minerals Management Service
Nancy Sutley, Council on Environmental Quality
Eric Schwaab, National Marine Fisheries Service
David Shilton, Department of Justice
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:21 PM
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20. Invisible rec.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:47 PM
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26. Gladly Unrecommend
Idiotic
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 10:47 PM
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27. "Idiotic" is all you can say? That doesn't really explain your stance.
Edited on Thu May-06-10 10:49 PM by Bluebear
The OP asked people to check in and recommend if they agreed. The least you can do is explain why you are dissenting.
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ThatPoetGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-10 11:48 PM
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34. I gave it a K&R.
He should be fired for the recent oil fiasco, but he should also be fired for his hideously unethical mustang roundups, and for the attacks on wolves and polar bears; none of these stances favor science or the environment. Salazar is the prototypical fox guarding the henhouse -- as secretary of the interior, he considers it his duty to figure out how to gut environmental and wildlife regulations in order to benefit big ranchers and big oil.

Someone on this thread said that the rightwingers want to replace Salazar with someone "more Republican." That is utterly ridiculous. Salazar is far, far, FAR "more Republican" than his predecessor, Dirk Kempthorne. Kempthorne was a Bush appointee, and he never did a tenth the damage Salazar has done. Salazar is a devoted enemy of wildlife and the environment. The man would torture bald eagles to death if it would put a few dollars in the pockets of his evil friends.
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