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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:53 AM
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REPORT: Reagan Interfered With Carter's Iran-Hostage Negotiations-Hid Info From Congress & Americans
Key October Surprise Evidence Hidden

By Robert Parry (A Special Report)
May 6, 2010

A Russian government report, which corroborated allegations that Ronald Reagan’s presidential campaign interfered with President Jimmy Carter’s Iran-hostage negotiations in 1980, was apparently kept from the Democratic chairman of a congressional task force that investigated the charges a dozen years later.


Lee Hamilton, then a congressman from Indiana in charge of the task force, told me in a recent interview, “I don’t recall seeing it,” although he was the one who had requested Moscow’s cooperation in the first place and the extraordinary Russian report was addressed to him.

The Russian report, which was dropped off at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow on Jan. 11, 1993, contradicted the task force’s findings – which were released two days later – of “no credible evidence” showing that Republicans contacted Iranian intermediaries behind President Carter’s back regarding 52 American hostages held by Iran’s Islamic revolutionary government, the so-called October Surprise case.

I was surprised by Hamilton’s unfamiliarity with the Russian report, so I e-mailed him a PDF copy. I then contacted the task force’s former chief counsel, attorney Lawrence Barcella, who acknowledged in an e-mail that he doesn’t “recall whether I showed the Russian report or not.”

In other words, the Russian report – possibly representing Moscow’s first post-Cold War collaboration with the United States on an intelligence mystery – was not only kept from the American public but apparently from the chairman of the task force responsible for the investigation.

more
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/050610.html
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:57 AM
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1. But will we hear a peep about this in the "liberal" media? n/t
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:48 PM
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90. No peep.
Not a peep was heard and won't be heard.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:37 PM
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127. Nope, they are more than happy to keep pumping up Saint Reagan.
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youngharry Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:24 PM
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165. Saint Reagan
He learned his lessons from Nixon who did the same thing--He met secretly with the North Vietnamese and made a seal not to sign the peace accord with the US as he would give them a better deal, if elected President--which he was. The North Vietnamese didn't sign until Nixon was elected--In the meantime a few hundred more Americans were killed.
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 08:35 AM
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222. I Seriously Doubt This
Nearly as many American soldiers died in Vietnam under Nixon's watch as under Johnson's watch. It took Nixon and Kissinger years just to get an agreement on the shape of the negotating table in Paris. Nixon's secret plan to end the war was to prolong the war with "Vietnamization", which was a disaster. In the end the last Americans were taken by helicopter from the roof of the American embassy in Siagon. Those helicopters were then pushed over the side of the rescue ship in order to make room for move rescue helicopter to land in what was probably the worst chapter in American history.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #127
180. Yeah, and pushing for him on the $50 bill. n
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 07:55 AM
Response to Reply #127
217. And naming buildings and highways after him . . .
. . . like the great Symbolman once said:

"Bush couldn't hold a candle to Reagan. Reagan couldn't hold a candle to Reagan."

REaalllllly wish "Mourning In America" would come back online. One of the greatest FlashAms ever made about the wooden bastard.
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zenprole Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:34 PM
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172. Earth Crashes Into Sun; film at eleven
Why is this story news to anyone on this website?
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:57 AM
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2. Further proof: Republicons hate America & democracy
Ptoooey on Republicon Homelander Family Values and their anti-American pervo-twist.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:50 PM
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91. What kind of a country
do they want to live in? Apparently the kind we are fast becoming. It ain't at all good. Filthy Republicans.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:30 PM
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182. More like they covet America and her resources
Edited on Fri May-07-10 10:48 PM by ooglymoogly
and hate democracy, its freedoms and protections, that stand between them and the loot (everybody else's money)....to the death.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:57 AM
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3. Isn't Hamilton called every time a cover up is needed?
I seem to recall another instance recently.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:34 AM
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16. Bartcop has a great image for that.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:49 PM
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131. Ahh yes, the other conspiracy.
Theoretically speaking.

Hamilton is a war criminal, by definition. He included statements obtained through torture in the official report on 9/11.

This is its own crime.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:38 PM
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184. sorry wrong place
Edited on Fri May-07-10 10:40 PM by ooglymoogly
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:50 PM
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132. Exactly . . . and understand he's buried a lot of the records in a number of cases ...
I would also think this is "Plausible denial" on his part --
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 01:38 AM
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199. Lee Hamilton "doesn't recall" what he does for a living. He's a professional amnesiac
Just like he thought ABLE DANGER -- the DIA investigative database that linked several of the 9/11 hijackers with the "Brooklyn Cell" in 2000, but was closed down by order of Donald Rumsfeld's hatchet man, Steve Cambone, after Bush-Cheney took power -- had "no historical significance" to the 9/11 Commission Report.

This is really old news. But, thanks for bringing it back up. Surprising how many people around here haven't heard this before.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:58 AM
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4. I thought this at the time. It's typical of Reagan's sycophantic supporters. They'd do anything.
Reagan might have even been in on it -- or at least known about it. He forgot of course as soon as he heard it.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:05 AM
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8. It was a H.W. Bush operation
In October 1980 he flew to Paris and met with some agents of Iran.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:02 PM
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69. +100000
Bingo!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:16 PM
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76. Was the Gates, current Secretary of Defense involved in alleged election theft?
An excerpt from the Russian report (which may or may not be reliable):

On the supply of American arms to Iran according to available information, the Chairman of the R. Reagan election campaign, William Casey, in 1980 met three times with representatives of the Iranian leadership, in particular with the arms dealers Djamshed and Kurosh Hashemi. The meetings took place in Madrid and Paris. At the meeting in Paris in October 1980, in addition to Casey, R. Gates, at that time a staffer of the National Security Council in the administration for Jimmy Carter and former CIA Director George Bush also took part.


http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/russiantext.html

So "R. Gates, at that time a staffer of the National Security Council" . . . . .

Again, could this be our Secretary of Defense Robert Gates? Obama's advisor on all things military?

While at Indiana University, Gates was recruited by the Central Intelligence Agency and joined the agency in 1966.<14> On January 4, 1967, he was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the United States Air Force.<13><14> From 1967 to 1969, he was assigned to the Strategic Air Command as an intelligence officer which included a stint at Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri, where he delivered intelligence briefings to Intercontinental Ballistic Missile crews.<15> After fulfilling his military obligation, he rejoined the CIA.
Gates left the CIA in 1974 to serve on the staff of the National Security Council. He returned to the CIA in late 1979, serving briefly as the director of the Strategic Evaluation Center, Office of Strategic Research. He was named the Director of the DCI/DDCI Executive Staff in 1981, Deputy Director for Intelligence in 1982, and Deputy Director of Central Intelligence from April 18, 1986 to March 20, 1989.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gates

My questions:

Do you suppose there were two R. Gates on the NSC?

Gates has served every government since 1966 -- and assumed ever increasing authority.

Robert Gates, does anybody remember ever voting for him for anything?

Is Robert Gates the real power behind the throne?

Also, does the Consortium article suggest that the Carter administration was also trying to negotiate arms for hostages?


What do you think?

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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 06:03 PM
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113. I had some of the same thoughts
The Robert Gates mentioned now serves under Obama.
And Carter apparently was planning to do the same thing Ray-Gun was gonna do.. Of course Carter was C-I-C at the time but still.. very disappointing..
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 04:53 PM
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103. I remember.................
It wasn't reported in the media then! But word got around.............
30 Looooooong years....................my efforts at being a self made Woman have been on the downward slope ever since!
Did REAl WELL during the Carter Administration!
Now finally when I tell young people we have been in this decline for 30 years, AT LEAST THEY ARE LISTENING TO ME!
That's forward movement..........( a little )
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 06:13 PM
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115. H.W. Bush and his cabal were definitely responsible.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #115
135. "No one else was in a position to not know as much as the President did."
Edited on Fri May-07-10 08:16 PM by guruoo
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:53 PM
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134. Agreed . . . and Gates also played a prominent role . . .
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #8
168. Not surprising...BFEE is involved with pretty much every scam
nt
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #8
189. And where do Cheney's sticky hands come into all this? nt
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 02:14 AM
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201. The Bush's, selling out Democracy for 4 generations.
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Cybergata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:37 PM
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63. I did too and . . .
when the Iran-Contra scandal hit, I expected the evidence to come out that proved it. After Watergate, the Republicans became very crafty about making sure a cover-up keep on covering the dirt. Reagan may not have known because he was simply a facade for those who really controlled what was going on. I rather suspect that Bush Senior was knee deep in it. It drives me crazy when people laud Reagan as a good president. He was one of the worse. The corruption under his leadership can only be matched by that of Bush Jr. Deregulation of everything started in earnest under his leadership. Funneling of the country's wealth to the small minority of filthy rich began in earnest under his leadership. The Iran-Contra scandal showed what traitors his government was. The more information that comes out on the dirty dealings of the Reagan administration, the happier I am.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #63
93. I'm with you!
The only administration worse than Reagan was Bush II and I'm not so sure about that. Filthy Republicans.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #93
136. Certainly from Nixon onwards, each was succeedingly worse .... Nixon did what he
could at the time -- Watergate was plenty! Huston Plan was based on

Operation Northwoods! Among many other filthy things that went on.

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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #63
101. The failure/refusal of the "leadership" of our party to challenge and debunk the Reagan myth
has made them enablers if not co-conspirators in the crimes against humanity that the republican party has committed for the last thirty years. How are large numbers of people going to stop "lauding" him when the "opposition " party assists in perpetuating the lie of who he was and what he really did ( well, not him so much, but the people he was acting as a frontman for). Do you remember the Albq.Journal front page when he died ? It still makes me just about barf just picturing it: an oversize picture with just two also oversize words : "Graceful and gallant". How are the mass of people going to figure out it's all a lie when even the current Democratic president continues to say nice things about him?

P.S. :hi:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #101
192. Contemporary history
Edited on Fri May-07-10 11:31 PM by Enthusiast
has almost completely overlooked the act of treason that was Iran-Contra. When this should be the defining aspect of the Reagan Administration. Now they are trying to spruce up Bush II history.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #63
114. Raygun was the worst President of my lifetime..
fo'sho..
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #63
129. "Republicans became very crafty about making sure a cover-up keep on covering the dirt." That is not
correct!
They have been very good at covering everything they do up since Ike was President like the intentional loss of a U2 to stop Ike's attempt to stop the cold war and of course the crime of the century the Coup D' Etat against JFK! Read the book in my sig line to understand how those few run by the Bush Crime Family have been hoodwinking the American people for more than 50 years!

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #129
137. CIA betrayed Ike in the U-2 affair . . . who knows how long Poppy Bush was
involved with CIA. Also, Ike wasn't the last one to be betrayed by them.

See Fletcher Prouty on that.

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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #137
170. Poppy was involved since the beginning of the CIA
Since his daddy Prescott helped found the CIA.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #170
179.  . . . with Operation Paperclip . . .
Nazis . . . !!

They founded the CIA with them and funneled others into the FBI -- NASA -- other

government agencies --

tens of thousands of them were brought in.

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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #129
161. That photo explains a lot right there
about why the full story behind the JFK assassination has never been told. Too many people with culpability are still walking around. When I was a kid, in school we were told, "the truth about that event won't be made public for 50 years. Now it's moving in on 50 years, and we still don't have the full truth... but now it's clear why. Guilty parties are still on the loose. I guess it will take another 50 years, to make sure anyone involved in it has passed on, before it can really be told.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:52 PM
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133. Daughter, Patty Reagan, right after the election made clear that she
suspected that was what had happened --

She evidently was rather shocked at what she saw going on at the

Inauguration -- and what she heard.

Do agree, however, that Bush ran it -- and Gates played a primary role in it.

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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #133
236. Wasn't it Ronnie Reagan
that said his dad did not trust Bush? I remember seeing a TV interview some years ago. Maybe it was * running the show, not his dad. And who could forget "I am not in the loop" moment of * at the Iran Contra hearings? Yeah, right-he may very well been the loop. And if * was in the loop, didn't he lie to Congress? Or does it only count if someone tells a half lie about sex.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 06:33 AM
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211. There were allegations at the time (shortly after Reagan was
elected) that this had happened--that it had been engineered to make Carter look bad and get that asshole Reagan elected. I remember a story or two. But it's all down everyone's memory hole.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 07:34 AM
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214. I always suspected it, as well. The timing was suspicious, for one thing, and
Reagan was only too happy to take the credit for getting the hostages released. I figured it had been orchestrated to make Carter look weak and ineffectual, but I didn't know if it was the US or Iran who had come up with the plan.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:00 AM
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5. Does anybody think that the hostages who were released right after ....
... Reagan was sworn in Jan. 2001 was just random chance?
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:15 AM
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12. Republicans don't even think that
I know Republicans who believe all that was put in this article, and are quite proud of Reagan's ingenuity in pulling it off. Getting what they want by destroying democratic processes by their own is a source of pride for them.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:28 AM
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15. No way.
When they immediately released them it was like that sonovabitch (RR) let them stay there all that time so he'd look like the hero. I think Reagan was the pissiest prez ever.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:34 AM
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17. FYI, it was 1981. n/t
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:42 AM
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20. Watch the doc film I sourced below (short answer, no)
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #5
58. Oh please Botany
They did it that way because they were SO relieved that Carter was out of the White House and St. Ronnie was in.
Didn't you read your history books???
:sarcasm:
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wizstars Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #5
62. Yeah, you know---Junior!
Obviously confused w/ Reagan Lite--an easy mistake to make. The USA made it twice
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Cybergata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:47 PM
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66. I truly believe . . .
that the hostages were part of the bargain made between the Reaganites and Iran which later was known as the Iran-Contra scandal. The election was very close, and the Reaganites wanted to make sure to tip the scale towards Reagan by having the hostages stay hostages during the election. Iran was considered our enemy for taking our people hostage, and then the Reaganites are caught trading arms with Iran, which was against the law. Yeah, like there isn't some correlation here!!!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #66
142. And, btw, this is the same thing it is thought that Nixon did vs Humphrey ....
LBJ wasn't running and tried to clear the way for peace efforts, meetings --

which would have benefited Dems/Humphrey.

Evidently, Nixon arranged secret negotiations suggesting VN would fare better

and get a better deal if he were president!

Meanwhile, this was another squeaker of an election -- 100,000 votes, I think.

1968 -- and both large computers used by MSM and smaller computers used by voters

had begun to come in during mid-late-1960's.

Coincidentally, just about the time America was passing the Voting Rights Act!



Before the large computers, MSM was only able to report the actual official vote

tallies -- afterwards, they could PREDICT and CALL elections -- and ELECTORAL COLLEGE

VOTES. In 2000, they simply reversed those new powers!

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #5
67. I forgot how the media sold it back then
as I turned 14 at the end of 1980... however, I think they said it was beacuse the Iranians didn't like/trust Carter or something like that. I could be all wet on that, though.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #67
140. You're correct, that was the "conventional wisdom"....
...that the Iranians were so spiteful to Carter that they released the hostages then just to rub his face in it.

To be fair (or at least more nuanced about it), even top Carter people agreed they were capapble of it, including Gary Sick. You'll recall, Sick initially dismised reports of Republican interference and deal-cutting until he learned of some things years later, and eventually prompted the congressional hearings.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:27 PM
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82. Wha...?
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Guilded Lilly Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:25 PM
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108. Not chance at all.
I remember at the time thinking what a horrid thing that was to do. Despicable.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:39 PM
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128. The work done with Republicans is confirmed by the Iranians. They
Edited on Fri May-07-10 07:42 PM by harun
wanted to punish the American people with right wing administrations. I know that might sound outlandish but if you read the book The Persian Puzzle it is all well documented in there.

As far as the Republicans go they were like "Wow, we want to punish the American people with Right Wing administrations too."
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:02 PM
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139. Also, if you remember the failed rescue mission and helicopter crashes . . . Ollie North headed
Edited on Fri May-07-10 08:03 PM by defendandprotect
those missions -- and Secord was second in command!!

Evidently the helicopters just didn't happen to have an attachment to the engines

which was required in desert maneuvers to keep sand out of the engines!!

People like Lee Hamilton are indispensible at times like those!!

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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:02 AM
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6. K&R. //nt
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:02 AM
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7. I believed it back then.
William Casey and all those cloven-hooved people running around in the GOP campaign.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:10 AM
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10. Indeed. I remember those dark days well.
I read Gary Sick's Book, "October Surprise," when it came out in 1991 too. It confirmed what we already knew.

GHW did cover his tracks slightly, having alibis for some of his travel, but it was not convincing. Bush the Smarter ran that show.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:18 PM
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35. So did I.
They couldn't have been more obvious.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:34 PM
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145. Ironically, I couldn't believe the problems with the
helicopters/rescue missions . . . but for a time I did buy the "Beautiful Morning"

hostages released story . . . though a bit suspicious. Patty Reagan made it clear,

however and I got it then!!

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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:05 AM
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9. kick
nt
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:10 AM
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11. I don't need this report -
to know that Poppy Bush and Bill Casey committed treason at the time. Now I see Bill Gates needs to be added to the list.

Hamilton was a total douche bag - as always. I always thought the Republicans and the FBI had something on him.

NTL - glad this is out and like others have said, it will get NO media play.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:16 AM
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29. It's not often I defend MIcrosoft, but I'm pretty sure Bill G.
wasn't involved with this one.... :)
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:14 PM
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56. Well that was a dumb mistake on my part. Obviously the wrong Gates.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:59 PM
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68. Not dumb. I make that kind of typo all the time.
The funny thing is, for about 2 seconds I was like "Holy cow! Bill Gates did that!?!" :wow: :rofl:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:23 AM
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13. I've felt this was the case all along
even when it was happening, does that make me someone who has been paying attention a long time? you bet it does and it goes back a couple decade further too. The republicons decided that they had to buy up the press after nixon's being forced out of the whitehouse and after Carter beat Ford they realized they also have to use shady dealing, you know like lie their asses off and pull any and all dirty trick they can conjure up. The Democrats are not playing on a level field with the reptilicons by a long shot. For the most part Democrats are good hard working loving their democracy kind of people, you know live and let live, retilicons on the other hand are right the opposite, small minded shysters with only money and power a desire of theirs. WE need to fix our press problem if we are to even entertain any hope of saving our democracy. The press as it is now only serves the purpose of feeding propaganda., just like the nazi's used their press.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:53 PM
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50. I thought it was quite the coincidence and I was a teenager at the time.
Maybe that was the day I realized I was a Democrat?
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:26 AM
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14. Who could have pulled that off?
Let's see he would have had to have CIA connections. Ill intent toward the dems... hmmm, help me now.... I can seee the face but I just can't put a name to it...grandfatherly....quiet guy,,, you'd never think ...GHWB!
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:52 PM
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48. Could it be....... SSSSSSatan?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:37 AM
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18. Is the report available?

According to the article:

"I was surprised by Hamilton’s unfamiliarity with the Russian report, so I e-mailed him a PDF copy."

Is there somewhere it is posted?
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:58 AM
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23. Yes. Link in the article.
Reading is good for the curious.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:20 PM
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36. Yeah, reading is great, but I still can't find the link
Edited on Fri May-07-10 12:24 PM by jberryhill
However, I missed it when I skimmed through the article looking for it.

On edit: I still can't find it. Can you help out an old geezer with ADHD and bad eyesight and let me know where is the link to the Russian document? I see a link to a draft US report, but I don't see a link to the Russian document. Maybe it's just me.

Reading is definitely good. Being helpful once in a while is kind of nice, too.



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Bryan Sacks Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:00 PM
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51. link here
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 07:07 AM
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212. That purports to be a transcription

But the article refers to a .PDF of the actual Russian report itself.

Is there a link to the actual report?
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 09:50 AM
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225. What is this?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 01:23 PM
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234. Ah thanks much /nt
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:41 AM
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19. Coverup - behind the Iran-Contra affair
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 06:15 AM
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210. Thanks for the link, Echo
I watched the whole thing. I was somewhat consoled knowing that there are some genuinely good people out there working for the cause of truth and justice. (sounds corny, I know)

Oliver North looks like a combination of Alfred E. Neuman and Norman Bates.



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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 07:36 AM
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215. After watching the 'back then' it certainly explains the current playbook re phony war on terror
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 08:29 AM
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239. Great video
Thanks for that.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:45 AM
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21. And Nixon's team interfered with Vietnamese peace talks in Paris
This is old news, unfortunately, and never reported by the GOP's enablers in the Democratic party (who are "scared" to use the info in campaigns) or the MSM....
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #21
147. .... and certainly MSM knows and probably knew at the time . . . that's why
we have a corporate/CIA/Pentagon press!!
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:57 AM
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22. we knew it when it happened.
The dirty tricksters have been at work for a very long time.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:33 PM
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88. It is not dirty tricks when affairs of state concerning war are involved; it is TREASON.
Nixon sabotaged the Paris Peace Talks in 1968, Reagan (actually, Poppy Bu$h) sabotaged Carter's negotiations with Iran in 1980. The GOP was and is a collection of treasonous bastards.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:56 PM
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95. And the treason continues.
It was treason and it is treason.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #88
116. you are so right
the republican party should be rico'd.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #88
148. +1000% . . .
We need truth hearings in America . . . while there's anything left of America!!

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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #88
164. I could not POSSIBLY agree more but how do we get more people
on board with this?
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:01 AM
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24. The trustworthy Robert Gates,
now driving the Battleship Empire over the edge of the world.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:21 AM
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30. Longtime BushCo fixer. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:43 PM
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150. All of DC knows this of course . . . and Gates' involvement ...
So -- why in the hell did the Dems put him there?

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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:39 PM
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175. They didn't put him there, they left him there
Because he's part of the MIC that Obama has to work for.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:05 PM
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178. Are you saying Obama had no other choice? I've thought Obama did it
to keep right wing from criticizing his conduct of war --

but I always felt he could have made another decision . . . ????



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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:04 AM
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25. K & R
:thumbsup:
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:11 AM
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26. "I don't recall seeing it"
And Barcella "doesn't recall" showing it to him.

I consider this to be an admission of guilt. If it were false, they could safely deny it and be done with it. Clearly, their statements have been vetted by lawyers to keep them out of prison. And the amnesia strategy has worked wonders for all the biggest crooks of the Bush, Bush and Reagan administrations, so why wouldn't it work here?

Too bad this will sink to the bottom of the memory hole along with all the other stuff... :(
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #26
221. In a strange coincidence, we keep electing people with the worst memories.
Odd that.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:13 AM
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27. So I am supposed to accept that as proof?
I accept that the Soviet Union sent it. Not proof of secret meetings between Casey and the Iranians in 1980. Sorry. The idea that the Carter Admin would not have objected to it publicly or even known about it is just ridiculous. This is a fabrication folks, accept that the Iranians held onto the hostages for their own reasons and let it go.

Arms for Hostages was something that was unrelated to the Embassy crisis and happened later.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:52 AM
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32. Poppy never let Carter in on other things...why on earth would anyone assume Carter had access to
Edited on Fri May-07-10 12:01 PM by blm
every bit of info that CIA and GHWBush loyalists there had? It is highly doubtful that Reagan knew half the crap that Poppy was doing in the 70s and 80s.

You wouldn't happen to be from Arkansas, would you? Seems there are a number of 'Dems' in Arkansas who wanted IranContra/BCCI investigations to be deepsixed and have pushed the move on theme since the release of the BCCI report in Dec 1992.

Jackson Stephens certainly threw his weight around on THAT one, eh?
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:16 PM
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34. Congratulation, you just composed the neocon response
Assuming this story grows legs, that will be their meme du jour.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #34
167. The Stalinist phrase "counter-revolutionary Trotskyite wreckers"
Edited on Fri May-07-10 09:29 PM by Hardrada
used so often in the Moscow Show Trials applies 100% to our wonderful Neocons.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:32 PM
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43. Did Gore protest the SCOTUS 2000 decision? Did LBJ REALLY investigate 11/22/63?
And Casey died "of a brain aneurysm" the night before he was to testify about Iran-contra? Riiiiight.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:41 PM
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89. I remember it well.
The town idiot knew that there was a deal with RR and the devil. The Iranians knew the republicans were the easiest to fool. Their power hungry people would do anything even sell our people down the river for power. They are bad in general and scary in power. We have seen this happen in the last 8 years. We have to prevent them from gaining power again.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #27
96. Bullshit!
Reagan himself admitted it.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:15 AM
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28. This story got Parry dumped by PBS...
...and brought a lot of rightwing retaliation upon PBS, making it into the turdswill it is today.

Such is the power of good journalism and a the work of coverup artistes like Lee Hamilton.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:09 PM
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33. Yep
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:53 PM
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49. Wish I was wrong, Echo In Light.
It's depressing, being on to these treasonous mofos. Weren't for good DUers, it'd be impossible to bear.
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:33 PM
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44. Ain't that the truth, Octafish
But all of PBS isn't "turdswill". Our local affiliate WTTW still does some good investigative reporting and there are programs like Masterpiece, Nova, Nature, etc, that makes me give them my money every year.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:52 PM
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47. You are correct, mohinoaklawnillinois.
Many today still work to make PBS a community treasure. I'm sore at what Reagan and his ilk did to defund and lurch rightward what had been a great public resource.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:47 PM
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152. Yes . . . PBS is long gone . . .
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:49 PM
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153. misplaced
Edited on Fri May-07-10 08:53 PM by defendandprotect
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:53 PM
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154. But even "Nightline's" investigation turned out a "looks like it happened" verdict . . .
and Bush was pegged "in Paris" - identified

. . . and that show was created to keep the hysteria over

hostages going every night at 11pm!!

They couldn't go as far as saying "absolutely" -- but it was clear.






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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:31 AM
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31. I always thought that. St Reagan wasn't a saint and he wasn't a good president. He was go
at destroying regulations and to some point Clinton on helped him on that project. Now look at the mess we have.
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CLANG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:22 PM
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37. Our Greatest American!
(hopefully only on Freerepublic would I need a :sarcasm: tag...
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:23 PM
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38. Ronald Reagan was the filthiest bastard to ever set foot in the White House
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:34 PM
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45. Worse than the most recent pair?
I think they started filthy with Reagan and have gotten dirtier and dirtier every Republican administration since. There were a lot of things I didn't like about Clinton but at least I didn't feel like I needed to bath every time I saw a picture of him.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:27 PM
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109. Reagan was the seed of all the trash that followed
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:24 PM
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123. No -- Nixon is what poisoned America
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #123
155. Nixon was a "hired gun" by Prescott Bush to begin the destruction . . .
and he headed up "Operation 40" while Ike was in the hospital --

it was later known as "Bay of Pigs" --

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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:49 PM
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195. ..and Prescott Bush was a Nazi sympathiser
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 08:12 AM
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219. Nixon was of the old Republican Party, Regan began the new one
Nixon would have been a liberal Democrat by today's standards and were it not for the lunacy of his personal flaws and the war in Viet Nam probably would have been seen as a pretty good President. If nothing else the EPA came into existence under his Presidency.

Reagan was a new breed though, he hated Unions, he hated the environment, he hated the working and poor people of this country and he brought into power and seeded the Bureaucracy with thousands of people who went on to sell out our Government like it had never been sold out before. We see the devastation from that Presidency today and we see it in every aspect of our lives.
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 10:56 PM
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238. excellent point
If you look at the progression of laws some of the shifts to the right started before Reagan but Reagan really did introduce a whole new rhetoric ... of hatred and greed ... which didn't seem to be there before. On the other hand, Nixon did bring in the New Federalism (moving power into the hands of the states) and the move to give the White House more power. But I think Reagan was the first "Bush/Rove" president. Of course, the people behind the scenes started it all when FDR was in power ... it just took until Reagan to get one of their hand picked human social equivalents of a malaria infested mosquito into the White House.

Anyway, I hate every single Republican president starting with Reagan and I haven't been overwhelmingly thrilled with either of the Democratic ones. And sometimes I hate the American people as much for being so stupid, bigoted, and greedy to fall for it all. If I was an outsider (and if wasn't for the worldwide threat it would represent), I would say we deserve our move towards fascism and the corresponding misery it inflicts and will continue to inflict. But I'm not an outsider and, really, I'm more compassionate than that (besides Bush was NOT actually elected by the American people for either term ... although it was close enough to steal).

(Disclaimer - in all honesty, so far I haven't suffered all that much misery (materially) from the US shift to the right (discounting the psychological misery and rage) ... only cause I've been lucky ... but that doesn't mean I agree with it.)
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #38
71. Exceeded only by his Vice President, former CIA director...
... keeper of secrets and parlayer of world-wide dirty tricks, GHW Bush.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:27 PM
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39. Carter is a national treasure ..
Those people wouldn't know decency if it bit them in their collective asses.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:56 PM
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156. Wait . . . .
Edited on Fri May-07-10 08:57 PM by defendandprotect
While Carter was taking us out of the Olympics . . .

Did you know THIS was going on? Imagine Carter must have?

If you're interested, US created Taliban/Al Qaeda . . .


The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser

Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs <"From the Shadows">, that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Q: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Q: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

http://www.takeoverworld.info/brzezinski_i ... ...





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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:27 PM
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40. Some of us tinfoilers knew this the day RR was inaugurated.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:27 PM
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41. No Surprise there
But it's nice to be vindicated, no matter how late in the game.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 02:31 AM
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203. Careful. Hard to say whether the Russian memo was based on
good evidence or just conjecture. The memo mentions a source that may not have been reliable.

Even if you want to believe the allegations in the memo, you have to remember that the memo doesn't explain much about where the information in it came from.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:31 PM
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42. No way!
Really?

:sarcasm:

It's really sad how easily so many people are led around by the nose.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 12:38 PM
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46. Bush tried to have Reagan assassinated too, blame Bush NOT Reagan
Edited on Fri May-07-10 12:41 PM by Liberation Angel
Reagan was a clueless old fool (kinda like McCain) who was only a tool for the real elites behind Hitler, the murder of the Kennedys and King and the financing and arming of the Iranians to help them win the election.

Blaming Reagan is actually the wrong thing to do: Blame Bush. Yeah Reagan beat Bush in the primaries and ended up the de facto front man for the BushNazis BUT he was also a stumbling block to them because he was NOT their inside guy--- so they had to kill or disable him to make GHWBush the de facto president while Reagan read the teleprompter.

It is critically important that we all realize who are the puppets and who are the Nazi puppeteers. Reagan was too clueless to run Iran Coontra or the October Surprise but the BushNazi network, with all the profits they made during the Holocaust and all the intel and secret assassin plots they had in place, had ALL the resources to do the job. Getting Reagan and Bush elected was critical to get GHW in place to run the whole Nazi show.

Remember that Hinckley, who shot Reagan, was from the family which was one of the Bush family's biggest political backers. The poor would be assassin may well have been an adoptee in a Manchurian candidate like brainwashing (Like Sirhan Sirhan) selected for his weak mind to be in place when they needed him to help the BushNazi Octopus reach its goals.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:00 PM
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52. hinckley's ancestors = part of the rockefeller nexus, like bush's:
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WinterParkDonkey Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:06 PM
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53. Folks, this is .....
old news. Why is anyone surprised about this? It was just too much of a coincidence that the Ayotollah Khomeni freed the hostages on the day that the new president was inagurated into office. I don't believe in coincidences.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:14 PM
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55. Ding
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:37 PM
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146. Jeez, Newby, why dump on new corroboration?
Edited on Fri May-07-10 08:39 PM by Liberation Angel
the Hinckley connections and the new documentation add to the weight of history.

Just as the repetition of the BIG LIES in propaganda work

repetition of the TRUTH and Facts serves a very valuable purpose.

There are STILL people who are unaware of the Hinckley connections to the Bushes when the dumbass shot Reagan and there are STILL people who claim there is insufficient evidence of the October Surprise and the Bush involvement (and it must be added that Benjamin Netanyahu was the go between to sell the arms to the Iranians as odd as that all may seem - he sold out Israel's security for his own dirty career caught in flagrante delicto with the BushNazis (according to former US attorney and Nazi hunter John Loftus in his book "The Secret War Against the Jews"

You can look it up.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:17 PM
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57. +1
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:00 PM
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157. Reagan didn't pull it off . . .
Edited on Fri May-07-10 09:02 PM by defendandprotect
but he knew what was going on --

he was a turn coat a long time before this event --

Granted, Bush ran the show and agree he probably tried to have Reagan assassinated.

They say after that, Bush was president.



Pretty sure I've also heard Reagan encouraged those involved in coup on JFK --

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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:38 PM
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174. Reagan was involved with the psychopathic corporate elite long before he was POTUS
Fuck Reagan. He was a tool who turned his friends in the Screen Actor's Guild over to the McCarthyites, helped GE execs break up their unions, and did nothing to stop the business criminals from destroying this country.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:13 PM
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54. We knew this at the time. But thanks for posting this anyway.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:21 PM
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59. Part of the long list of what used to be the truth...
in the long ago days before the RW Wurlitzer blared it's first hypnotic noise.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:30 PM
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60. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, kpete.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:32 PM
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61. Yup, as was known at the time and often discussed since.
Fuckin' Raygun and the same bunch that have been eyeball deep in about every criminal enterprise since the 60's and before.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:38 PM
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64. What's it gonna take for people to realize that a bunch of corrupt mo fos are running the country?
:argh:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:02 PM
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70. The extent of just how blatant the corruption is matched by the enormous effort by some to deny it
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 01:43 PM
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65. thing is, 80% of Reagan worshipers would still be kneeling in prayer after this release
even if they didn't dismiss Parry as a librul traitor like Philip Agee or FDR

since they focus on image and not reality, he's still the hero who saved Murka, "standing up" to the Muslims and Commies who want to kill us all, make us look bad, and unleash the mighty empires of Grenada and Nicaragua against us
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 06:28 PM
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117. Odd how those "Family Values" Republicans are soooo eager to delegate the role of "father" to a gove
rnment functionary.

It is so very obvious when you hear them talk, that their inspiration is DADDY Reagan.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:04 PM
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72. Yet another "crazy conspiracy theory" which is coming to light
although anyone who was paying attention has known this for about 2-3 decades now. I was too young to really understand the October Surprise at the time, but I did start learning about it during the Iran-Contra trials. In fact, the whole Iran-Contra thing is not only what got me interested in Politics, but which also made me realize the Republicans are crooks.
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Oldtimeralso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:04 PM
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73. K & R and proud to be # 100
Jan 21st 1981 will go done in history as the day America turned to the "Dark Side".
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:07 PM
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74. Reagan and his cronies were the worst White House ever
The most inhuman, and that includes Bushco.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:13 PM
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75. What can be done now? The Obama admin doesnt want to "look back" and I am sure the
CIA doesnt want to proceed, the Bush Crime Family will squelch it. I guess that leaves it up to our wonderful media for a thorough investigation. Oh wait. Never mind.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:23 PM
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80. That's about the size of it, friend
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 12:08 PM
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232. what can be done now?
Well, I'd say that there are some (greedy industrialists) who have wanted to be in charge for a long time. Look at the families involved in the business plot to overthrow FDR. I followed the Iran-Contra BCCI scandal at the time, and Knew that it could be one of the most important turns in American government. You have a shadowy operation going against congress (the people), you have trading guns for drugs-putting those drugs on the streets in the US (criminality), you have the possible theft or rip off of the PROMIS software, you have alleged money laundering involving BCCI (just think of the ties between terrorism and drug trafficking), you have at least two journalists murdered attempting to expose the truth. Now, who could possible be behind all of these incidents, and how does this effect our great war on terror and the fear mongering, today?

I don't have to wear a tinfoil hat, I've been following closely for well over twenty years, and we're in a FAUX democratic republic. Only those who tow the corporate-elite line will be selected. Anyone siding with the plebes, are toast. And most of the players, I do not consider Americans--they'd sell this country out, they'd sell the people out--all you have to do is look at the deals they make-allowing our people to be pawns-sacrifices. And, I'm still waiting for the perp who sent the anthrax before the Patriot vote. I won't hold my breath waiting for the truth or justice.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:20 PM
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77. yet some Dummy Crats keep trusting gangster behaving Repugs.
It was treason, plain and simple. death by firing squad treason.

Oct. 10, 1980 Bush I meets with terrorists in Paris, France to make sure no hostage gets released.

Isn't surprising how carter gets hostages released when he isn't the President, yet "couldn't" while he was.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:21 PM
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78. Regarding Robert Gates.
The more I think about this, the more troubling it becomes:

A. He was a staffer for the Carter administration.
B. At the same time, according to these reports, he was working with the GOP on a secret plan to destroy the Carter administration.
C. He worked for the GWB administration.
D. For some reason, he still has the same job under the Obama administration.

When Obama announced he was keeping Gates, and then Sy Hersh made his comments about Cheney and "left-behinds", I know it was hard for many of us not to wonder about what was going on behind the scenes in Washington.

The fact that he is a common thread in these activities going back 3 decades makes me want to know more about him. Who the hell is this guy, anyway?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:22 PM
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79. Do something illegal and need a 'moderate' to cover your tracks!?
Just call Whitewash Hamilton, he'll whore for anybody! Rot in hell Lee.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:25 PM
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81. Bunch of Treasonous Punks=GOP
I'm sure some sleazey oily dems knew about this too
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:42 PM
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83. “I don’t recall seeing it,” my ass. nt
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:54 PM
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94. That is the exact same thing Reagan said in front of Congress
Edited on Fri May-07-10 03:55 PM by Rex
during the Iran-Contra hearings - lying fucking bastards! They knew they violated the Constitution, they just didn't give a dam!
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:56 PM
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84. And in other news, the Pope is discovered to be Catholic. n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:57 PM
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85. it was pretty fucking obvious at the time. it was orchestrated beautifully for ronnie
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:17 PM
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86. Reagan's boys along with the many neocons at the Pentagon sabotaged Carter's rescue plan
Edited on Fri May-07-10 03:28 PM by GreenTea
for the hostages, the Pentagon saying it was "sand" that caused the fuck-up, yeah, and Bush didn't steal elections, and 9-11 is exactly as BushCo told us...JFK murder also happened exactly like the neocons committee of ALL republicans, Allen Dulles, Gerald Ford, Arlen Specter & Earl Warren told us it did.

The Pentagon, very, very powerful business interest, the CIA and the republican neocons all wanted the puppet Reagan in power - Simply fuck up Carters rescue plan and make a deal for arms to not release the hostages....Who's to know, tell the Americans anything, any lie through the corporate media and they'll believe it entirely with no questions asked, after all it was on TV....they aren't allowed to lie, are they?

It paid off handsomely for all involved, Regan's union busting and deregulation for the corporations, the Pentagon budget was dramatically increased in peacetime, the CIA was left alone to do their evil and the neocons were in control of society, liberals and ANY possible descent was met with an iron fist...i.e. the hated commie John Lennon unfortunately made his comeback while Reagan & the neocons were stealing the White-house with their backstabbing of Carter with their Iranian plots...The republican Mantra was Carter is weak over & over & over through the whole campaign as Reagan's boys were sabotaging everything....Diabolical wicked neocon people Cheney, Rumsfeld, Shultz, Ed Meese, Caspar Weinberger, and then vice- president George H.W. Bush CIA neoncon boys all evil motherfuckers...

Republicans know they can do anything illegal to steal office, because once in impossible to get them out....who goona publicize it, who's gonna listen, not enough after all we believe everything we are told.....republican simply say they didn't steal anything & cry sour-grapes and we believe it....the corporate media ignores the stories so they can't be true, right....that would be too big of a conspiracy, too many people involved...

Just as this mysterious disease begins two years after the puppet Alzheimer Reagan, who really knew nothing & wasn't informed about the real bullshit of the neocons in power, reangan was simply the great puppet spokesman...but as the neocons take office, this mysterious disease stain was released that just happens to attack only (they thought) exactly all the neocons "undesirables"....The intravenous drug users, African-Americans and homosexuals....Uh, Their excuse was a homosexual had sex with a monkey and that's how AIDS stated....and we all believed the neocons wouldn't lie, they wouldn't do this aren't they Christian like they tell us...we believed every word even as they were as they were stealing us blind.

But this must all be bullshit things are exactly as they tell us...Just as Paul Wellstone's plane went down...people fly and shit just happens, that's what they tell us and we believe
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:06 PM
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160. Ollie North was in charge of those rescue missions . . ..
and Secord was second in command --


Evidently, the equipment to keep sand out of the helicopter engines was somehow overlooked!

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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:27 PM
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87. Lee Fucking Hamilton
The go-to guy whenever Republicans need an easily rolled "opponent". He got rolled on the October Surprise. He got rolled on Iran-Contra. And big fucking surprise, who did the Democrats put on the 911 commission? The Republicans tried to install Kissinger, their sleaziest fixer; the Dem's first instinct was to go with their tried-and-proven ingratiating lickspittle.

Hamilton can stuff his "I don't recall seeing it" crap. I'm beyond sick of that guy.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:52 PM
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92. This event is what solidified me against the rethuglicans.




It was all to convenient and much too transparent.



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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 04:05 PM
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97. Is there anyone on this board who did not already know that Reagan f*cked this entire country ?
Edited on Fri May-07-10 04:06 PM by BrklynLiberal
Reagan fucked Carter out of re-election...AND he prolonged the agony of the Iran hostages and their families.

My favorite view of Reagan's grave
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45663
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 04:10 PM
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98. And a fitting tribute to Tricky Dick ...





BWAHAHAHA


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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:09 PM
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105. LOVE IT!!!!
:thumbsup:

I cannot help but hope that someday we will see such a fitting tribute at the final resting places of 41 and 43.:evilgrin:
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:40 PM
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112. If at all possible, I'll be there to contribute.


Darth Cheney too.


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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:01 PM
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119. Ah yes, Darth must get his well-deserved "tribute"
Wouldn't surprise me if they keep his location "undisclosed"...too many negative possibilites...lol
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rtassi Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 04:15 PM
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99. Not like its big news is it? n/t
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 04:42 PM
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100. They should dig that sucker up and hang him.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 04:46 PM
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102. The GOP and St Ronnie & Bush clearly hated America...
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 04:55 PM
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104. K&R.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:15 PM
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106. Bush and a CIA Power Play
But the pivotal October Surprise question whether Reagan's campaign director Casey and vice presidential nominee Bush met face-to-face with Iranian mullahs in 1980. According to one set of allegations, the pair slipped off to Paris for such a meeting on Oct. 19, 1980.

Four French intelligence officials, including France's spy chief Alexandre deMarenches in statements to his biographer, placed Casey at the Paris meeting. But two other witnesses, a pilot named Heinrich Rupp and Israeli intelligence official Ari Ben-Menashe, also claimed to have seen Bush in Paris that day. Ben-Menashe testified that Casey and Bush were accompanied by active-duty CIA officers.

Rupp, who says he flew Casey from National Airport to Paris, recalled that the flight left very late on a rainy night. The night of Oct. 18 indeed was rainy and sign-in sheets at the Republican headquarters showed Casey stopping at the Operations Center for a 10-minute visit at about 11:30 p.m. The headquarters in Arlington, Va., was only a five-minute drive from National Airport. Casey also had no credible alibi for his whereabouts on that day.

Bush, however, was a different story. He was under Secret Service protection and those confidential records listed him as taking a day off from the campaign at his home in Washington. Yet, there were troubles with Bush's alibi. None of the Secret Service agents could recall the two personal trips that Bush supposedly took in the morning and afternoon of Oct. 19.

Then, the Bush administration blocked access to one family friend listed as receiving a visit from the Bushes in the afternoon. The name was blacked out in the records given to the task force, and the investigators only got the name by promising to keep it secret and to never question the family friend.

In a bipartisan spirit, eager to repudiate the disturbing Bush charges, the House task force acquiesced to these unusual terms. Amazingly, the purported alibi witness was never interviewed. In its first public statement on July 1, 1992, the task force cleared Bush.

That decision meant the investigators found no need to explain another curious fact. At PBS FRONTLINE, we had discovered that on Oct. 18, 1980, a Chicago Tribune reporter named John Maclean told a U.S. foreign service officer, David Henderson, that a Republican source had supplied a fascinating tip -- that Bush was flying to Paris to discuss the hostages with Iranians.

That two strangers -- Maclean and Henderson -- would have discussed a Bush trip to Paris at the precise time that others would allege, years later, that Bush left the country should have raised the task force's eyebrows. At least, the investigators should have questioned the Bush family friend. But they didn't. (Allen's notes for that week reveal a meeting with Maclean, although the reporter has refused to divulge the name of his source.)

To the task force, the possibility that former and current CIA officers conspired with Republicans and foreign intelligence services to unseat a President of the United States was unthinkable. If true, it would have meant that elements of the CIA mounted a silent coup d'etat that undermined American democracy to put in place a President who would unleash the spy agency.

But certainly what followed in the 1980s pleased the CIA's hardliners. Under President Reagan's CIA director William Casey, CIA covert operations proliferated. Dozens of cashiered CIA officers were brought back on contract. Billions of taxpayer dollars were poured into CIA projects. The CIA was also spared Carter's nagging about human rights, as CIA-trained units launched death-squad operations throughout Central America and Africa.

A real politick Zeitgeist took hold in Washington. It tolerated drug smuggling by CIA-connected groups, including the Nicaraguan contras and the Afghan mujahadeen. It watched passively as CIA associates plundered the world's banking system, most notably through the corrupt Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), which also had paid off a key Iranian in the October Surprise mystery.

http://thereaganyears.tripod.com/1980election.htm
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:18 PM
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107. nixon was bad, but reagan was the shark jump
for the republican party. This is when they became willing to screw the country in order to win. Since reagan, that party has lacked any moral compass whatsoever. That they still can achieve office is a blot on American character.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:11 PM
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143. You just summed it up perfectly.
The only queston left is "Why does the Republican Party still exist?". The answer is too sad to ponder.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:27 PM
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110. No wonder this hack was chosen for the equally dissembling 9/11 Commish.
TPTB knew his "research" could be trustworthy. :mad:
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GETPLANING Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:40 PM
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111. Send Consortium News some love-$$$$$$
It's a GREAT source of background information like this article and current analysis. Visit the site and look at the archives. I know Robert Parry is short on funds to keep the site online and it would be a shame to let it go down.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 06:56 PM
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118. What brought this to light?? nm
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:08 PM
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120. hard to believe this was buried.
:sarcasm:
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troydavis77 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:15 PM
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121. Read Consortium News
Parry and the others who write for it give the lowdown.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:21 PM
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122. welcome to DU bro..
peace and low stress..
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:25 PM
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124. October Surprise
Two good books on the Reagan/Bush interference in the Carter hostage negotiations both with the same title, October Surprise. Barbara Honneger authored one and Gary Sick the other. Honneger was policy analyst in the Reagan administration and Sick is a retired navy admiral and worked on Carter's national security team. Both books are worth the read.

With all of the work that Robert Parry has done on the subject I'm sure he's written about it as well. Anything by Parry is worth the read.
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cameozalaznick Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:31 PM
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125. Treason. eom
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WhoIsNumberNone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:33 PM
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126. K&R
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 07:49 PM
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130. Hell Is too Good Of Place For That fucker (nt)
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:01 PM
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138. Reagan initial political career was engineered by J Edgar Hoover! Reaction to Free Speech Movement.
Hoover thought Jerry Brown's dad, Pat Brown, was too buddy-buddy with Clark Kerr, UC Berkeley's progressive prez when the Free Speech Movement was going on. So he micromanaged Kerr's firing and Reagan's election in 1966.

I've posted this link several times, ever since I read it in print June 2002 from the SF Chron. It's devastating info, that the reporter worked on for 17 years, using the Freedom of Info act. Each time new eyes find it means more of a possibility we can prevent this clusterfuck from happening to a new generation!

http://www.sfgate.com/campus/
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:08 PM
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141. Doesn't Suprize me! Carter had laid off a small army of C.I.A.....
reagan picks G.B. the former head of the C.I.A.... GB had a perfect group of former agents to help foil any attempt to free the hostages...which they did. This info just helps show that the mentality of the "win at all costs attitude" repugs have today began with reagan.

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EJSTES2005 Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:24 PM
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144. This Story has been there for anyone who has cared to look for 30 years
Edited on Fri May-07-10 08:29 PM by EJSTES2005
Darth Vader was probably the lead negotiator. Paid for his work with the sec-def position by GB the First.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:41 PM
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149. But ONLY Robert Parry has stayed on the case and kept neating the drum to get folks
to understand the story in all its sordid treasonousness.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 08:46 PM
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151. this is old news.... move along.. nothing to see here. i am certain Reagan was given a Lobotomy to
prevent his testimony at the Iran, "Drugs for Guns" contra hearings.. you dont get Alzheimer's over night.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:46 PM
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186. I think he had a natural lobotomy the first time he crapped. nt
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GaltFreeDiet Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:01 PM
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158. I was fourteen when Reagan (R-Dickhead) was sworn in and the hostages were released
Edited on Fri May-07-10 09:02 PM by GaltFreeDiet
I couldn't help but think that something was odd about the timing of the two events.
When I pointed it out to my peers, they ALL suggested that I incorporate tinfoil headgear into my apparel.

FIRST POST! :-)
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:14 PM
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163. Welcome to DU my friend...
(love your ID name)
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:38 PM
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173. Salutations to a DU New Poster!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:02 PM
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159. Evil will out.
When I first found out about this (as a junior in high school) I was shocked. Not surprised that they'd attempt such a vile thing just to get their guy in the White House, but shocked they actually pulled it off and were still keeping it under wraps. Ugly.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:26 PM
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166. Sadly agree . . .
especially considering how naive much of the public still is about a "conspiracy-free"

America.

If you read Sick's book -- at the beginning, he just doesn't get it and it's happening

right under his nose.

Yeah -- they could pull it off -- like 2000 -- but why does no one stop them?

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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:33 PM
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169. The people who try keep getting a) shot in the head (sometimes more than once),
or b) relegated to the far reaches of political obscurity. Makes it difficult for aspiring corruption busters to even think about it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:58 PM
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177. Violence keeps the right wing world in place . . . agree --
long, long history of rw political violence in America --

But, things keep getting worse -- now there's nothing left of the "free press" --

it's totally corporate/CIA/Pentagon press.

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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:09 PM
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191. How about that Dean fella? I'd support him, but he's so ANGRY!

The scream scene was shown an estimated 633 times by cable and broadcast news networks in just four days following the incident, a number that does not include talk shows and local news broadcasts. However, those who were in the actual audience that day insist that they were not aware of the infamous "scream" until they returned to their hotel rooms and saw it on TV.


Dr. Dean made mistake of taking aim at the overly consolidated corporate media. Whoops!
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:37 PM
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194. Le sigh. I don't need anger, I need effectiveness. Anger is not a platform. Anger
is not a plan.
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 01:53 PM
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235. and some people just don't get it
Edited on Sat May-08-10 01:54 PM by newspeak
the MSM repeats over and over again an exaggeration or lie and the zombie public regurgitates every line. There are very few real journalists left in this country-and those who expose the truth must tread lightly for fear of being suicided. I remember, as students, we lamented for those poor children in the Soviet Union, when this country has seriously gone down the rabbit hole.

Wellstone's funeral--how to take empathy away from the victims and their family and make the rethugs into faux victims. While one of our own a progressive, who cared about the people, about labor lies dead. The "Dean Scream" was and is a none issue, something the MSM did gladly for their masters.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:11 PM
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162. K&R . . .
Edited on Fri May-07-10 09:27 PM by defendandprotect
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:34 PM
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171. ...which was dropped off at the U.S. Embassy in Moscow on Jan. 11, 1993...
...and, who was in charge of those Embassies back then.

Let's see...for another 9 days until Clinton would take over, that would be G.H.W. Bush the Ancient. Remember him? He's the one who flew to Paris in 1980 to set up the whole damn Iranian interference thing!!!

Maybe some of you young'uns out there don't remember the Iranian Hostage Crisis. It was horrible, because Carter, who just a year before had actually effected the first Peace Treaty EVER in the Middle East between Israel and Egypt was suddenly in a terrible place. Would he go in with military and attack Iran? Would he negotiate with these radical students who had taken over the embassy. The whole ordeal lasted such a long time and was in the news every day. A few hostages would be let go, then more threats, then some women and children, then more threats. Months passed, and all this during an election year.

Worst of all, Carter actually approved a military rescue attempt that failed before it got off the ground when the jungle-warfare helicopters crashed and burned in the unforgiving desert. If the hostages had been released, Carter would have won re-election. Period. Because they were not, Reagan won.

The new Iranian Ayatollah wanted the hostage crisis to end. It was a student protest that was in the way of establishing normal relations with other countries. By late summer 1980, Iran was ready to release the hostages.

That's when Reagan/Bush sold out America. They negotiated with Iran that, if they would NOT release hostages until AFTER the election, Reagan/Bush would give them a sweet deal. As a result, Carter LOST and we live in the America we have today. Everything changed because of these traitors.

The truth is that this is SO horrible, it's hard to get reasonable Americans to believe me when I tell them the story. But, it's true. When I learned of this betrayal (in 94), I left the Republicans and will never look back.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 02:30 AM
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202. And it looks like there was a snake in the Carter Administration
Robert Gates. Undermining everything Carter was trying to do.

After the Coup was complete, Gates became part of the Reagan administration.

He is now part of the Obama Administration.

Does Carter know how Gates betrayed him? Does Obama?

Because if we know, they must know.

What about Clinton? Does he know all this? And if so, why is he so close to the Bush family?

Is it all a big scam?

Clinton let the Reagan/Bush criminals off the hook.

And Obama let the Bush/Cheny criminals off the hook.

There seems to be a pattern.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 10:22 AM
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226. And how. The media matters for denial plausibility.
And it is just the humming of the machine in the heads of the hypnotized.

Unrecognizable, disturbing patterns: fatal cognitive dissonance.
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 12:26 PM
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233. It's very disturbing, that's for sure. There's so much we don't know.
I can't fathom the depths of corruption and I am deeply concerned re: Obama as I was about Clinton. But, Clinton did govern better than Bush I. Obama is still an unknown mostly. Regardless, we're not the country we were pre-Nixon and certainly pre-Reagan. Nothing can change that now.

peace
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newspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 02:12 PM
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237. didn't poppy publicly say
jokingly, if the public knew some of the things they had done, the people would be chasing them down the street to tar and feather them (something along those lines)?
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wial Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 09:45 PM
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176. god I hate that man
there's a special place in hell for Ronald Reagan.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:18 PM
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181. The evil that pugs do, from recorded history, continues to make the devil
blush; Though called by many names they are always known by the ruthless and murderous deeds they do under the mantle of religion and patriotism; And this was just a minor one of them in the over all horror of their history of, nothing less than, pure evil in the service of greed; Murder, theft, assassination, destruction, treason, wars, selling the country for a farthing etc, etc, etc.
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:32 PM
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183. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight Hamilton never saw the report. They're all a bunch of fucking liars.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:41 PM
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185. We all surmised this to be true,
waiting for the other shoe to drop; The engineered, fatal bollox of carter's rescue attempt. I put no villainy beyond these folks, Che666ney et al.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:53 PM
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187. K&R
...
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 10:58 PM
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188. Technically
It was probably Bush Sr. calling the shots more than anything, he was the power behind the scenes. Reagan was more of a figurehead especially in the 2nd term Bush Sr was the defacto president.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:05 PM
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190. So, Ronald Reagan was a traitor.........
What else do you call a private frikkin' citizen that undermines or otherwise uses power not legally authorized in order to negotiate an agreement on behalf of the country?

He was a traitor.........
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 11:37 PM
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193. Great book, October surprise


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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 12:02 AM
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196. The problem with America is that most people don't give two shits about this.
Seriously. They are more concerned about Oprah or diets or American Idol or their bowel movements or the lint in their belly button than actual crimes against everything and everyone we are actually supposed to give a shit about.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 08:35 AM
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240. I agree, they used the Constitution like a Welcome Mat in the Reagan White House
He was almost as bad as Nixon, but Bush Jr trumped both of them.

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 12:03 AM
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197. Um, did we just get sent back in time 30 years?
Because this was known then. Is it more known now?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 01:28 AM
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198. k & r
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 01:56 AM
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200. old news
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Lagomorph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 02:45 AM
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204. What's funny is...
...all of this was in the newspapers back then.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 03:23 AM
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205. reagan was a vile piece of shit
fuck your mom if you don't agree with me.
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daughter of liberty2 Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 04:03 AM
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206. Thanks for the info as
some of us were too young to remember these events.
:thumbsup:
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 09:00 AM
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224. It never fails to amaze me ...
Edited on Sat May-08-10 09:15 AM by mntleo2
... how obvious these greedy pigs are manipulating group-think.

I am mostly self-educated meaning before my 40's I had little college. I was in my late 20's at the time of Iran/Contra and fresh out of the 50/60's school history indoctrination where everything American did was pure and good, even then I knew. They tried to tell us that the proxy wars in S America was to stop communism when in fact it was to stop Liberation Theology in action because it gave power to the little guy, and yes, I knew. I believe my cynicism about how wonderful my country was came after my work for civil rights, and hearing from friends who lived it about the Japanese war camps, which happened right in my own city. Never a peep about it in my own history books or even from my family who saw it and did nothing, as well as reading books like Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee was when my cynicism grew in leaps and bounds. Oh and some teachings from Marshall McCluhan (sp?) who taught us how to listen to the media and ask the questions because as he said, "The media is the message and the message is the media ..." meaning there is always an agenda as to what the media chooses as news.

The Gulf War was a sham and I knew ~ and after I heard a first-hand account of the Highway of Death from a haunted vet who was horrified to realize all he did was help prop up an elitist misogynistic Kuwaiti kingdom that was nothing near a democracy to use US money to "rebuild" their country with gold faucets for the king's bathrooms instead of feeding their people, he and I wept together.

When they installed Negroponte as ambassador to Iraq I wrote to Biden who was on the committee and quoted Paul Wellstone who spoke at Negroponte's hearings for UN ambassador when he asked how this man could not know of the horrors that happened right under his nose in S America. I asked Biden how he could vote for such a monster when they were raping and murdering nuns in our name, when they assassinated a known sainted Archbishop who really did try to listen to God's call, when they were murdering entire villages while Negroponte was Reagan's water boy looking the other way. As I wrote to Biden then, so just how was it that as a little person, a nobody, no one privvy to all the information that people like Biden has, how was it that I knew what was REALLY going on in S American and how it was done under Negroponte with our American-taught death squads and support, yet I knew, why didn't he know?

Never heard back from him and Biden voted to instate this monster ambassador to Iraq. Interestingly death squads and beheadings and dead bodies began showing up (both American and Iraqi) within 2 weeks of Negroponte's taking over of that Iraqi post ~ just like it happened in Guatemala, El Salvador, and Nicaragua when Negroponte was there in the 1980's. It has escalated things to chaos and much of it because both parties looked the other way and told us to do the same. Because the ones who never had to answer for the horrors they had already committed only got worse. Letting these monsters stay in power with no accountability was the worst mistake my generation made ~ because the culprits just got more powerful and nobody "remembers" how many thousands of innocents died so these greedy monsters could stay where they were at ~ and move up to escalate even more of it and worse atrocities .

As a young adult I was unsure about it all then because the media and my fellow Americans treated it as if any suspicion of my government's nefarious dealings was "nutty" and I questioned my own sanity, so was I a nut? Now I know I was not. Ironic to me is, while my peers laughed at people like me as a social justice advocate as being "too idealistic" and pointed to my poverty as "proof" it was a dead-end, many of them have lost all they sold their souls to possess and are now in the same straits as I am, losing it all from looking the other way and refusing to speak while the corruption progressed until it came to get them too.

So my point for young people is: when it looks like a rat, smells like a dead rat, and you would rather puke than taste one, LISTEN TO YOUR GUT IT WILL PROVE RIGHT IN THE FUTURE. This way you can act with conviction and maybe you can change things my generation let happen mostly because of their self-doubts. I acted on mine, but convincing my fellow peers was nigh impossible because they were too busy attending their wine tastings and were done with going to anymore protests or "be-ins". They became yuppies, they preferred to ignore their guts and listen to idiots like Ronald Reagan and preferred to believe Iran/Contra was insignificant when in fact if those had been held accountable would not be the ones causing the havoc and suffering now.

My 2 cents

Cat In Seattle I
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 10:38 AM
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229. The cost of a conscience can be burdensome
in a selfish world. But it lets you focus more on the non-monetary value of stuff in compensation.

And it has bought my support and friendship, for what it is worth. Thanks for you resolve and words.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 04:34 AM
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207. Reagan was a traitorous piece of shit!
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 05:08 AM
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208. It is sad that it took this long for the truth to trickle out of this affair.
Edited on Sat May-08-10 05:09 AM by political_Dem
When it gets down to it, George H.W. Bush, his family and his cohorts will have the most treasonous legacies in national and international history.

When it comes to any underhanded event that affects the American government, someone with the Bush name is always involved. From fixing elections to occupying foreign countries, there is always something that is attached to this evil family.

It is simply disgusting that because of such actions, misery and hardship always occurs. Then it gets swept under the rug only permitting a few kernels of truth to seep out.

We already know the Bushes sleep well at night. I just wonder if there will be any circumstance that justice will finally render its verdict on these folks.

Hopefully, the taint will also submerge St. Ronnie and drown him into the sea of corruption as well.
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 05:57 AM
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209. k&r
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 07:20 AM
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213. Reagan's name should be removed from the DC airport for this crime
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 07:48 AM
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216. No shit.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 07:59 AM
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218. History has irony.
It might have done the Soviets some good to make this public when it was going on.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 08:22 AM
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220. St. Ronnie of Reagan was apparently nothing more than an arms trader......


looks like trading weapons for favors was his modus operandi. What a scumbag.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 08:44 AM
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223. I tend to be skeptical of conspiracy theories, in that light
for those that haven't read it, a New Republic investigative article on the October Surprise that was part of the Congressional record. http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1991_cr/h911104-october2.htm

Once you start to learn about the people who originally vouched for this conspiracy it starts to become clear that there is not and never was evidence that withstood careful scrutiny. As for the document referenced in the OP, I would need more verification than is provided about its authenticity frankly, it could be forged for all I know.

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From the New Republic



The Conspiracy That Wasn't

(BY STEVEN EMERSON AND JESSE FURMAN)
Few op-ed pieces prove to be as popular or long-lived as the one Gary Sick wrote for The New York Times last April. He claimed that in October 1980 officials in Ronald Reagan's presidential campaign made a secret deal with Iran to delay the release of the American hostages until after the election. In return, the United States purportedly arranged for Israel to ship weapons to Iran. The charges of an `October Surprise' weren't new. They had been circulating in the press since 1987. But Sick, who had served on Jimmy Carter's National Security Council staff and is the author of the acclaimed All Fall Down (1985), an account of the 1980 Iran hostage crisis, gave new impetus to the story. So did a show the following day by PBS's `Frontline,' in which Sick was featured.

When Sick first wrote about the release of the hostages in his book, he explained that there were several reasons they were freed in January 1981: Iranian enmity for Carter, the complications of unfreeing Iranian assets, the disorganization of the Iranian regime, and the protracted nature of U.S.-Iranian negotiations. But in his oped piece, Sick wrote that in preparation for a new book on Iran, October Surprise (to be published this month), he interviewed `hundreds of people' who told him about a secret Reagan-Bush hostage deal in 1980. What finally persuaded him was `the absence of contradictions on the key elements of the story' provided by his sources. Sick became convinced that William Casey, then Reagan's campaign manager, had met secretly in Madrid in the summer of 1980 with Iranian intermediaries to negotiate a secret deal, and that Casey and other officials met in Paris in October 1980, after which Iran broke off negotiations with the Carter administration. Sick also wrote that three of his sources saw then Vice President George Bush in Paris as well, but that `in the absence of further information, I have not made up my mind about this allegation.'

The Sick piece and the `Frontline' story prompted a spate of alarmed editorials, an indignant request from former President Carter for a `blue-ribbon panel' to investigate the charges, and congressional inquiries into the October Surprise.

But the truth is, the conspiracy as currently postulated is a total fabrication. None of the evidence cited to support the October Surprise stands up to scrutiny. The key sources on whose word the story rests are documented frauds and imposters. Representing themselves as intelligence operatives, they have concocted allegations that are demonstrably false, and their stories, full of internal inconsistencies, are also contradictory. Almost every primary source cited by Sick or `Frontline' has been indicted or was the subject of a federal investigation prior to claiming to be a `participant' in the October Surprise. Finally, evidence we have uncovered shows that William Casey and George Bush could not have been present at the meetings alleged by the sources.

The term `October Surprise' was actually coined by Reagan campaign aides who worried in the fall of 1980 that Carter would launch an operation to free the hostages in order to win the election. Thus in the fall of 1980 members of the Reagan campaign team often met to discuss developments regarding the hostages. There was concern that Carter would do something to exploit the hostage situation, and some of the things the Republicans did--such as stealing Carter's debate book--were sleazy. But they certainly did not amount to treason, as proponents of the October Surprise have charged.

The conspiracy theory began to catch on in April 1987. On the front page of the Miami Herald, Alfonso Chardy reported on a secret meeting in early October 1980 with Richard Allen and Laurence Silberman, then foreign policy advisers to Reagan, and Robert McFarlane, then an aide to Senator John Tower on the Senate Armed Services Committee. The article said they `met secretly' at the L'Enfant Plaza Hotel in Washington, D.C., with a `man who said he represented the Iranian government and offered to release to candidate Reagan 52 American hostages being held in Tehran.' Allen told the House Foreign Affairs Committee last May that he went at the `insistence' of McFarlane, who only indicated that the meeting was about the Middle East. Although the article quoted Allen as saying that he rejected the man's offer as `absurd' and told him to deal directly with the Carter administration, the article strongly implied that this meeting was part of a new scandal linked to the Iran-contra affair. Allen's decision not to inform Carter officials of the meeting fueled suspicion about the story.

Abolhassan Bani-Sadr, the president of Iran from January 1980 through June 1981, was quoted as claiming that he `learned in 1981' that Iranian leaders Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and Mohammed Beheshti had collaborated with Reagan campaign aides to release the hostages. (Beheshti and Rafsanjani, bitter political opponents of Bani-Sadr, had forced him from power. Beheshti was later killed by a bomb in 1981, and Rafsanjani is now president of Iran.) Bani-Sadr also charged that the Reagan officials had promised Iran that it would receive weapons for its war with Iraq. But Bani-Sadr stipulated that the promises of weapons were not linked to the release of the hostages--and furthermore, he didn't know if any weapons were eventually shipped.

In early July 1987 the October Surprise got a big push from the Nation with Christopher Hitchens's charge that the Reagan campaign assured the Iranians that `if they kept the American hostages until after the election,' the Iranians would be rewarded with arms. Hitchens quoted Barbara Honegger, a Reagan campaign researcher and low-level worker in the Reagan White House, as saying that in late October 1980 she had overheard an unidentified `staffer' say, `We don't have to worry about an `October Surprise.' Dick cut a deal,' presumably a reference to Richard Allen.

As these charges began circulating, Bani-Sadr's memory improved dramatically. On August 3 Flora Lewis reported in a New York Times column, based on an interview, that Bani-Sadr now held without doubt that the `Reagan campaign offered arms if the hostages were not released until after the 1980 election.' He also asserted that in October 1980 his `aides found out` that Rafsanjani and Beheshti had delayed the release of the hostages, that there was a meeting between Beheshti and a `Reagan campaign official' in Paris, and that he `learned later' that Allen, Silberman, and McFarlane met with an Iranian envoy in Washington.

Bani-Sadr's memory continued to improve. On August 9, 1987, Miami Herald reporter Chardy quoted him as now saying that `secret contacts between Reagan and Khomeini representatives' had fixed a deal in October 1980 to free the hostages. (Note that according to Sick in a 1988 Los Angeles Times story, `Bani-Sadr had nothing to do with the negotiations. He was completely out of it.') The article also reported that the Reagan administration approved of, or at least condoned, Israeli arms sales to Iran in 1981. All the ingredients for the cabal were now in place.

Then, in an August 1987 interview with Leslie Cockburn for her book Out of Control, Bani-Sadr said that he knew ahead of time that Rafsanjani and Beheshti sent an Iranian envoy to meet with Allen and Silberman and that he even protested to Rafsanjani and Khomeini that it was `dangerous' to renege on the negotiations with Carter. Remember that initially he claimed to have no prior knowledge of any such meeting. Later he said he `learned' about the meeting in 1981. Now he was saying that he knew of the meeting ahead of time.

It got better. The following year, in a September 1988 article in Playboy by Abbie Hoffman and Jonathan Silvers, which painted the most comprehensive October Surprise conspiracy to date, Bani-Sadr said definitively that George Bush was the Reagan campaign official who met in Paris with Beheshti in October 1980. (A year later Bani-Sadr said he had a `document' showing that Bush was present at the meeting--but he could not disclose the document because `the life of the writer . . . and the lives of many people would fall into danger.') Bani-Sadr's accusations about Bush prompted an editorial in The Washington Post--not especially disposed to defending Bush in general--in October 1988 that noted Bani-Sadr's motivation in `smearing Bush.' The Post wrote, `Bani-Sadr has to hope that U.S.-Iranian relations will continue to be antagonistic if the Iranian opposition is ever to have a chance of gaining important American support. His effort to smear Bush betrays concern about tensions lessening if the Republicans stay in power.'

Emboldened by the eager response to his allegation by international journalists, Bani-Sadr wrote his memoirs, which went beyond even the October Surprise conspiracy. In My Turn To Speak: Iran, the Revolution & Secret Deals with the U.S. (published in France in 1989, and in the United States in 1991), Bani-Sadr portrayed himself as a man victimized by the double dealings of the Khomeni regime and the Reagan campaign.

At the same time a new `source' emerged--who was fortuitously able to confirm Bani-Sadr's allegations. His name was Richard Brenneke, an Oregon businessman, and he surpassed even Bani-Sadr in his ability to recall events that he had admitted earlier he knew nothing about.

Brenneke claimed to have worked for the CIA and FBI in addition to the Mossad and the French, Italian, and other intelligence services. His first surfaced in late November 1986, immediately after the official disclosure of the `Iran-contra affair, when he claimed that he personally had informed then Vice President Bush's office in February 1986 of secret details of the Iran-contra affair. Reporters flocked to Brenneke as he began propounding incredible tales of U.S. and other covert operations. For example, he was a primary source for a front-page New York Times story on February 2, 1987, about the `Demavand project,' a purportedly classified CIA-Pentagon operation to ship billions of dollars of sophisticated weapons, including tanks, bombers, and helicopters to Iran. Brenneke, the article reported, had provided the Times with `documents and telexes' including a letter of reference, dated June 20, 1979, which stated that he had been employed for the CIA for thirteen years and that the CIA `found him to be thorough, competent, and very trustworthy.'

The CIA and the Defense Department issued categorical denials of the story. Other reporters at the Times began looking into Brenneke's allegations and his background. Both began to collapse. According to a veteran New York Times reporter, `We soon found out that Brenneke was . . . an absolute liar. Even the documents he gave us were forged, including the CIA letter of reference.'

At The Portland Oregonian, reporters were amused at Brenneke's celebrity status: the paper had reported weeks earlier that Brenneke had greatly `exaggerated' his role in arms sales, that he had said he couldn't remember if he worked at the CIA, that none of his international arms dealing ever came to fruition, and that he had been the subject of an FBI investigation for his suspected role in a check-kiting scheme and a forged airplane title report years earlier.

For the most part, however, the press was willing to suspend disbelief. ABC News quickly ran a series of `investigative' stories based on new Brenneke allegations. In April 1988 the network aired a report based on a `confidential source'--who the network later admitted to be Brenneke--alleging that in 1983 the United States, working with Israeli intelligence, secretly flew weapons to the contras and used the planes on their way back to transport drugs into the United States.

Newsweek followed up with a story by Robert Parry that provided even more details about Brenneke's allegations, including the charge that Donald Gregg, Vice President Bush's national security adviser (now ambassador to South Korea), was part of the drugs-for-weapons operation. Parry suggested that he had independent confirmation of the ABC allegations, but Brenneke was the only named source for both news organizations. Over the next five months Brenneke's claims were the focus of more than 200 national news stories and columns. (One of the few reporters to raise questions about Brenneke was Mark Hosenball, who wrote an article for TNR in June 1988 saying that Parry and ABC had uncritically bought the story of an unreliable witness.)

It seemed there wasn't anything Brenneke did not know. He told The Los Angeles Times that he supplied explosives to a PLO training camp located in western Oregon, a camp about which Oregon law enforcement knew nothing. He told the Seattle Times of his knowledge of Israelis training Colombian drug cartel hit squads. He told the Detroit Free Press that he supplied U.S. intelligence with information from an Iranian military officer that included maps of Qaddafi's headquarters two months before the United States bombed Libya in April 1986. He quickly discovered that it was possible to get away with any allegation in the national security arena: if an intelligence agency, already suspect in the public's mind, denied something, that merely reinforced the authenticity of the charges.

By late September 1988 Brenneke, having never mentioned anything about the October Surprise, suddenly emerged as the primary source of the conspiracy in the United States. His disclosures came right after he met Honegger, the former Reagan campaign aide, in August 1988. Honegger had become one of the leading champions of the October Surprise. She claimed to have her own intelligence and confidential sources who `confirmed' the conspiracy and began working on a book called October Surprise, published in 1989.

Honegger herself was no stranger to controversy. A believer in paranormal events (she has an unusual master's degree in `parapsychology'), she claimed a `source' with her voice contacted her in early 1980 to tell her she would get a job with the Reagan administration. She said that an intelligence officer told her that U.S. satellites parted the clouds during Reagan's inauguration to let the sun shine only on Reagan. When she resigned from the Reagan White House, she told a reporter that she had been guided by insights that she described as `channeled information . . . as if it were from the future.'

Honegger says in her book that she met Brenneke on August 22, 1988, in Washington. At the meeting, Brenneke told her that he had learned from his `Iranian contacts' that a secret meeting was held at the Raphael Hotel in Paris on October 19, 1980, between William Casey, Donald Gregg, Iranian arms dealer Cyrus Hashemi, and Iranian merchant Manucher Ghorbanifar. Brenneke told Honegger that he was not present at the Paris meeting, but that he had been in the city that weekend and that his presence there was purely `coincidental.'

Honegger, who had been in touch with Bani-Sadr and was eager to substantiate his story about Bush attending the secret Paris meeting, recounted the allegations. What could Brenneke tell her about `Bush's possible participation'? she asked. Brenneke said he would `make a few phone calls to see the `lay of the land,' and would get back to her.

A week later the Playboy article hit the stands.

On September 23, 1988, Brenneke suddenly recalled that he had attended at least one of the meetings in Paris in October 1980, that there were a total of three meetings held on October 19 and 20, 1980, and that he had played a pivotal role in the October Surprise deal. Brenneke was appearing that day as a character witness at a Denver court for the sentencing of his friend Heinrich Rupp. Trained as a Nazi pilot, Rupp was a Colorado gold dealer who had been convicted of bank fraud and sentenced to forty-one years in jail. Brenneke told the court that Rupp had been prosecuted to shut him up about his involvement in flying Reagan campaign aide to Paris in October 1980

Brenneke testified that on October 18, 1980, Rupp participated, at the request of the CIA, in a flight taking Bush, Casey, Allen, and Gregg to a meeting in Paris with Iranian representatives to work out a deal to delay the release of American hostages until after the election. He said that Rupp had been a long-time CIA pilot, and that Rupp personally flew Casey to France. Brenneke also said that he attended the third meeting, at which Casey and Cyrus Hashemi (both men were dead by the time of Brenneke's testimony) and Gregg also participated.

Brenneke went on to say that a CIA officer named Robert Kerritt had given him instructions to go to Paris. And as a result of the meetings with Casey and Bush, he claimed that he witnessed an agreement over the `logistics of transferring $40 million for the purchase of weapons .' Asked whether he ever played a `role in conveying or transferring that money,' Brenneke said, `I don't believe so.'

After the February 1987 New York times article had appeared, Brenneke had been contracted by Jack Blum, special investigator for the Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations, headed by Senator John Kerry. He met with Brenneke for hundreds of hours, and a year and a half later Brenneke began telling newspapers that Blum and the other staffers corroborated his allegations about the October Surprise. Moreover, Brenneke testified under oath in the Rupp hearing that he had provided the October Surprise information to the Senate subcommittee and that it was later confirmed by the staffers.

Yet according to Blum and other Senate staffers, not only did Brenneke never mention the October Surprise; the subcommittee found him to be an outright liar. The committee obtained thousands of pages of documents from law enforcement and intelligence agencies and discovered, says Blum, `that nothing he said was ture--he had made it up based on what he read in the newspaper or what he was told.'

The Senate subcommittee released a 1,166-page report December 1988, in which two pages are devoted to Brenneke. Among the conclusions: `The records show that Brenneke was never officially connected to U.S. intelligence.' The report noted that Brenneke `began telling his stories about his `secret' life as a spy' after being stopped by the U.S. Customs Service on his way back from Europe and asked about documents relating to arms deals. `His response was to offer to become a Customs informant,' stated the report. Customs declined the offer. The report also noted that `Brenneke applied for a job with the CIA when he finished school but his application was rejected.'

By May 1989 Brenneke's stories began to catch up with him. A Denver grand jury indicted him for perjury for making false declarations under oath to a federal judge in the Rupp hearing. Brenneke's trial took place in Portland, Oregon, in April 1990. A CIA official testified that not only had Brenneke and Rupp never worked for the CIA; the agency had never heard of anyone named Robert Kerritt--Brenneke's supposed contact. Secret Service agents testified that Bush had not left the country in the two weeks before the election; two of Casey's secretaries said the same thing about their boss. Then Gregg testified that on the weekend of October 18 and 19, 1980, rather than being at the Paris meetings as Brenneke claimed, he was on vacation at a beach in Delaware; on Monday October 20, he said he was back at work at the Old Executive Office building. He recalled that the weather was cloudy and produced a photograph of himself and his daughter on the beach. The back of the photo is stamped `October 1980' from the processing lab. The photo showed a hazy but partly sunny sky.

In response, Brenneke's lawyers produced Robert Lynott, a retired Portland TV weatherman who testified that his review of the weather reports showed there were overcast and rainy conditions most of that weekend in Delaware--and that therefore the photo must have been taken at a different time. This turned out to be the key piece of evidence on which the jury concentrated.

Following a three-week trial, Brenneke was acquitted, thanks to the prosecution's incompetence and overconfidence and the defense's success in shrouding Brenneke in the smoke and mirrors of the intelligence world. The prosecution was roundly criticized for not asking for or admitting any documentary evidence. The Secret Service agents didn't bring records to the trail, which made them vulnerable on cross examination. Casey's two secretaries admitted that Casey kept secrets from them, which rendered their testimony questionable in the minds of jurors.

Prosecutors did not introduce into evidence Gregg's datebook, which has the word `beach' penned on the October 18 weekend, or the four computerized White House memoranda that he sent from and received in his office on October 20. Thus the jury became preoccupied with the questions raised by the defense about the alleged date of the photograph. Three jurors later admitted that their `doubt' about the photograph was the main reason they had acquitted Brenneke.

Despite the litany of Brenneke's inconsistencies, October Surprise supporters touted his acquittal as proof of his veracity. Sick says: `Brenneke had the courage of his conviction in taking on the U.S. government on three key allegations , and he was acquitted. . . . The evidence on George Bush not being in Paris is less persuasive than that of Donald Gregg. The way Bush has dealt with this is very suspicious. There is not a single shred of evidence that Bush was where he said he was.' `Frontline' embraced Brenneke's trail defense that the weather conditions on the Delaware shore on October 20, 1980, were incompatible with the Gregg photo, claiming that `U.S. government documents show the weather was cold and cloudy that weekend on the Delaware shore.' In fact, detailed hourly weather maps of that weekend from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration show that on Sunday afternoon weather conditions were compatible with the picture Gregg produced.

`Frontline,' Sick, and October Surprise conspiracy supporters also rely on the `eyewitness testimony' of Brenneke's good friend Rupp. Weeks after Sick published his op-ed piece, in which he indirectly cited Brenneke and Rupp (though not by name), when questioned by reporters skeptical about Brenneke's credibility, he disclaimed any reliance on him. Rupp, however, was still a primary source. He has maintained that his involvement in a loan fraud, which led to the collapse of the Aurora Bank in Colorado in 1985, was actually due to the CIA, for whom he said he was working, as part of a `national security operation' related to Iran-contra.

Like Bani-Sadr and Brenneke, Rupp's sudden recall of the October Surprise came about belatedly. Only after his conviction for bank fraud, Rupp began telling newspapers and TV stations that he flew Casey to Paris on October 18, 1980, and insisted that Bush was present on the tarmac at the French airport. There are numerous inconsistencies in Rupp's account. He was unable to produce any proof that he worked for the CIA, and the plane he said he piloted to Paris that weekend, according to leasing company records, was actually parked in California. Furthermore, Rupp's passport (and Brenneke's too, for that matter) shows no exit from the United States or entry into France in October 1980. Rupp told reporters he didn't know who his passengers were at the time of the flight to Paris. He claims only to have recognized the `Old Professor' six years later when Casey was shown `testifying on television' about the Iran-contra scandal (a dubious detail, seeing that Casey had a stroke a day before the televised hearings). Rupp also said it was only years later that he recognized the `tall man with the crooked eyes'--the person at the Paris airport--as George Bush. Is it conceivable that Rupp would not have recognized Bush or Casey when he saw them? After all, he claims to be a long-time CIA employee and pilot--and Bush was head of the CIA four years before. Moreover, Brenneke says that Rupp was one of `Casey's favorite pilots.'

As for the allegations about Bush's presence in Paris on October 19 and 20, Secret Service records and contemporaneous news accounts of Bush's speeches show indisputably that he is publicly accounted for almost hourly--in numerous campaign stops--from October 15 through the late evening of October 18. On Sunday morning, October 19, according to information obtained by Gordon Crovitz of the Wall Street Journal, Bush had a private lunch with Judge Potter Stewart at the Chevy Chase Country Club. And Secret Service records show that agents went to the club to provide protection for Bush that Sunday morning. On the evening of October 19 Bush spoke to at a campaign event at the Washington Hilton, which is substantiated by newspaper accounts. On Monday, October 20, according to a schedule released by the White House and confirmed by newspaper and wire service reports, Bush campaigned the entire day in several cities in Connecticut.

When confronted with this information, October Surprise buffs either claim that the Secret Service records were fabricated or maintain that Bush could have flown to Paris on the Concorde and technically returned eight hours later. But it he did fly via Concorde (or any other high-speed plane), it conflicts with all of the statements made by Rupp and Brenneke, who said that Bush and Casey had flown to Paris on October 18 on a BAC-111. Nor is it compatible with any of the statements made by the other key sources used by `Frontline' and Sick.

By any measure of honest reporting, the October Surprise conspiracy should have died long ago. But like a version of the child's game `telephone,' the story had taken on a life of its own, changing and expanding as it went from source to source. More and more `eyewitnesses' began emerging who often appropriated elements of the conspiracy, swapped lies among themselves or were prodded by journalists, and then wove new tales inserting themselves as minor or major characters. Though Bani-Sadr has consistently claimed to have his own proof of the conspiracy, for his book his only evidence was excerpts from Brenneke's court statements in the Rupp hearing. An October Surprise cult emerged, fueled by entrepreneurial journalists who had made the allegations into a lucrative cottage industry. PBS's `Frontline' documentary, for example, cost about $200,000 to $250,000 to produce, paid partially by taxpayer funds.

`Frontline' touted Brenneke's acquittal on perjury charges, declaring that `the government tried and failed to prove that William Casey was not in Paris.' `Frontline' and Sick did not tell the public about Brenneke's numerous misstatements, discrepancies, and prevarications, which cast doubt on the credibility of the entire October Surprise scenario. On `Frontline' Brenneke said again that Gregg and Casey traveled secretly to Paris in October 1980. (Allen has produced a videotape of his October 19 appearance on `Meet the Press,' so his name did not come up this time.) But Brenneke changed his story once again. In September 1988 he testified that he did not play a role in the transfer of $40 million in weapons to Iran: on `Frontline' he said that he was instructed by Casey at the meeting to launder the $40 million through a Mexican bank and that he did so.

Rather than rely exclusively on Brenneke, Sick and `Frontline' featured new sources who they said `confirmed' each other's accounts. These included Hoshang Lavi, Ari Ben-Menashe, and Jamshid Hashemi. Lavi, an Iranian-born arms dealer, claimed he was the unidentified Iranian emissary who met with Allen, McFarlane, and Silberman in Washington in early October 1980 at the L'Enfant Plaza Hotel. `Frontline' quoted Lavi as saying that he witnessed Khomeini's representatives being allowed to enter NATO bases in Europe and `pick whatever they want' for shipment back to Iran.

What `Frontline' and Sick did not reveal was the following: (1) Lavi's claim to have met the three Reagan supporters has been denied by McFarlane, Allen, and Silberman. (2) The only independent record of Lavi's meeting with anyone in 1980 are memoranda from the John Anderson campaign showing that he approached Anderson campaign officials on October 2 offering to secure the release of the hostages if the United States would unfreeze Iranian assets and provide F-14 spare parts. The campaign referred him to the State Department. (3) Lavi implied that he was acting on behalf of Bani-Sadr, but the State Department, according to 1980 department documents, found that he `had no authority to speak on behalf of Bani-Sadr,' that he was a `self-appointed middleman' who was trying to broker a deal by going back to each party showing he had lined them up, and that `Lavi was a thoroughly disreputable character.' (4) American and European defense and intelligence officials say it is ludicrous to believe that Iranians were escorted to NATO bases to play a military version of `supermarket sweep.' (5) Since 1988, when Lavi was `discovered' by Honegger, he has made a series of unsubstantiated allegations, including that Customs Service agents assassinated an informant (Cyrus Hashemi) by pumping poison gas into his hospital room.

Even more than Lavi, `Frontline' and Sick relied heavily on the statements of Ari Ben-Menashe, an October Surprise source who only surfaced in 1990. `Frontline' described Ben-Menashe as a `former Israeli intelligence officer' and aired his claim to be `one of half a dozen Israelis sent to Paris at Casey's request to help coordinate arms deliveries' to Iran. `Frontline' reported that Ben-Menashe `saw a man believed to be Bush' in Paris. Sick used Ben-Menashe as one of his major sources in proving that the October Surprise happened, that Casey was a key participant, and that Israel shipped weapons as part of the `deal.'

Apparently emboldened by the acceptance of his allegations on `Frontline' and by Sick, last spring Ben-Menashe told several Australian newspapers and In These Times that he saw Bush arrive at a meeting on October 17 or 18, 1980, at a `top-floor conference room' in Paris, shake hands with Mehdi Karrubi, a leading Iranian cleric, and `close the door.' But none of the other `eyewitnesses' and `sources' had ever mentioned Ben-Menashe's presence in Paris or that of any other Israelis, or of Mehdi Karrubi. Moreover, all of the reported sightings of Bush took place on October 19 or 20--not on October 17 or 18. Ben-Menashe has also claimed that Israel shipped more than $82 billion in arms to Iran since 1980--more than thirty-five times Israel's defense imports and domestic weapons production!

In an interview with In These Times last April, Ben-Menashe claimed that it was he--not Lavi--who met to discuss the hostages in early October at the L'Enfant Plaza Hotel with Allen, McFarlane, and Silberman.

Without providing any evidence--despite repeated promises to reporters and to congressional officials to hand over `documents'--Ben-Menashe has belatedly become a key insider on other topical issues. He has claimed to have detailed inside knowledge of the Inslaw case. He said that he met many times with Robert Gates in Chile and the United States, and even that he transferred a suitcase containing $16 million to Gates at one point. (The CIA and the National Security Council provided documents to the Senate Intelligence Committee showing that Gates was meeting elsewhere at the time of every meeting cited by Ben-Menashe.) Ben-Menashe has said that McFarlane was a paid Israeli agent since 1978, had received `millions of dollars' from Israel, and was the secret `Mr. X' in the Jonathan Pollard spy case. He even says that the United States, through Israel, shipped `billions of dollars of arms' to Iraq. He has become an `expert' on Israel's nuclear program--despite the fact that he never had any connection to it. He has claimed that in 1981 he planted the homing device at the Osirak reactor before it was bombed by Israeli planes, but records show he wasn't out of the country then. He has told Israelis and journalists that he was even offered to be head of the Mossad, Israel's secret intelligence service, but that he declined.

Sympathetic reporters uncritically portray Ben-Menashe as a `senior Israeli intelligence officer' and a `national security adviser' and `special emissary' to Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir. In a recent interview, Sick said: `I am satisfied that Ben-Menashe knows a great deal. He has told me three or four things that I was able to corroborate. He told me he was an officer in a sigint unit. I have made no attempt to corroborate any of his other information .' Seymour Hersh's new book, The Samson Option, which describes Israel's nuclear program and intelligence activities, uses Ben-Menashe as the primary source. Hersh said in an interview that Ben-Menashe was in sigint, that he was a `key player,' and that `the Israelis want to hurt him bad' for his leaks of high-level classified information. But Hersh didn't interview Ben-Menashe until April, and he told The New York Times that he did not go to Israel to investigate Ben-Menashe's allegations or credibility. Hersh claims, incorrectly, that he would have been subject to Israeli censorship. What's more, according to U.S. and Israeli government documents and officials, Ben-Menashe was never in sigint, and the Israelis have never even attempted to initiate legal proceedings against Ben-Menashe, an act they would have obviously pursued if he were the source of important leaks. The closest access Ben-Menashe ever had to intelligence was his work as a low-level translator for the Israel Defense Forces External Relations Department from 1977 through 1987. Contrary to Hersh's assertion that the department is one of the most sensitive branches of military intelligence, it is in fact, compared with other branches, one of the most insignificant.

Ben-Menashe's responsibilities included translating letters and reports between the Israeli military and foreign military attaches. They did not include any translations of cables, though Israeli officials acknowledge that he did have access to minimally classified information, including a report in 1986 prepared for the United States discussing Israel's request to replenish weapons that it supplied to Iran as part of the Iran-contra operation. This alerted him to Israeli involvement in the affair, and to Iran's desperate search for weapons.

Like others before him, Ben Menashe's recall of the October Surprise came about belatedly--after he was arrested in 1989, imprisoned for a year, tried, and ultimately acquitted in 1990 on charges of illegally trying to export planes to Iran. According to his own letter of resignation, he left in 1987 because he had not received a promotion in many years. (Ben-Menashe has told reporters that he was fired for leaking a covert operation.) His personnel file notes that he was denied a special security clearance at one point because he was considered `delusional.' It also says that he had begun trying to peddle weapons in scams in Chile (where he impersonated an Israeli embassy official), Singapore, and Sri Lanka (where he impersonated a Hebrew University professor). Since 1987 he has periodically charged foreigners with being Mossad agents, without any evidence. The most recent and notorious of these claims, which appears in Hersh's new book, it against media giant Robert Maxwell, who has sued.

In 1989 Ben-Menashe was arrested in California along with two Americans. A U.S. Customs agent, posing as a buyer for Iran, tape-recorded some of the conversations in which the men offered to ship the military transport planes to Iran, using a false end-user certificate, for $12 million apiece. Ben-Menashe was going to obtain the transport planes from Israel. The trial of Ben-Menashe and one of the Americans was held in 1990 in New York (the other was tried in California); Ben-Menashe was eventually acquitted. Most of the evidence that the prosecution introduced was directed against his co-defendant, and the evidence submitted against Ben-Menashe was insufficient to convict him.

Yet the court records and information provided by prosecutors show how wildly inconsistent Ben-Menashe's story has been. In 1988 he told a Time reporter that he was involved in a `secret operation' to free American hostages in Lebanon by arranging the sale of planes to Iran through Israel. But a short while later Ben-Menashe told a U.S. Customs undercover agent that since 1987 he had been `self-employed as a journalist and a translator and a political writer doing a lot of traveling * * * that he had no ties with the Ministry of Defense.' the undercover agent also testified that Ben-Menashe revealed to him that he was trying to obtain planes from Israel to be sold to an arms buyer. At pretrial, however, Ben-Menashe told attorneys that he became involved in plane sales to Iran because he wanted to expose Israel's covert operations. Ben-Menashe said he was acting as an `undercover journalist gathering information for a book' to `expose the ugly role of Israel and the United States in weapons sales.'

During and after the trial, Ben-Menashe contends that he was one of the leading intelligence agents in Israel: Ben-Menashe's lawyer told the court that only three people in Israel were `privy to what was going on with Iran-contra'--Shamir, Israeli counterterrorism official Amiram Nir, and Ben-Menashe. Ben-Menashe claimed that Shamir dispatched him personally to carry out an operation to investigate who was trying to sell planes to Iran. According to sworn affidavits, Israeli officials in the office of the prime minister, including Shamir himself, never heard of Ben-Menashe.

Despite his brazen claims of being a `senior intelligence officer,' Ben-Menashe went to extraordinary lengths to prevent the prosecution from obtaining his personnel records. He refused to sign a waiver authorizing the Israeli government to release his records to the U.S. court, telling his lawyers and the prosecutor that to do so would constitute a violation of the `Official Secrets Act in Israel,' punishable `by death.' In fact, there is no such thing as an `Official Secrets Act' in Israel, and there is no death penalty for releasing classified information--nor for that matter has Israel ever invoked its death penalty, with the notable exception of the execution of Adolf Eichmann. The judge compelled Ben-Menashe to sign the waiver. The records were then produced, which showed he was just a translator.

As a final defense, Ben-Menashe supporters claim that he must be credible because he knew of the Israel arms sales to Iran before they became public. But Israeli officials note that this knowledge can be explained both by his work translating letters to the United States in 1986 and by the fact that rumors of Israeli arms sales to Iran had circulated routinely throughout the Israeli Ministry of Defense. Ben-Menashe supporters also cite the numerous trips abroad he made from 1980 through 1987, evidence, they claim, that he was a secret agent. Yet his trips were on non-paid leave, and were recorded in his civilian passport. He never possessed a diplomatic passport as he claimed.

The last `new' primary source used by `Front-line' and Sick was Jamshid Hashemi, an Iranian middleman. His account added a new dimension to the October Surprise: he claimed that, in addition to the meetings in Paris in October 1980, there were earlier meetings in July and August of 1980, which Casey attended and at which the `deal' was actually made to delay release of the hostages.

In interviews on `Frontline' and with Sick, Jamshid said that in July 1980 he and his brother Cyrus (who died in 1986) met secretly in Madrid with Casey, a `senior CIA officer,' and Iranian cleric Mehdi Karrubi. Jamshid said that Casey urged that `the Iranians hold the hostages until after the election,' and that he, Cyrus, and Karrubi attended a second meeting with Casey in August in Madrid, where `Karrubi expressed acceptance ... the hostages would be released after Carter's defeat.' In his op-ed piece, Sick accepted uncritically Jamshid's claims that he and his brother helped put the final touches on an agreement between Casey and Iran that weapons would be supplied if Iran delayed the release of the hostages.

Missing from Sick's and `Frontline's' recounting are revelations of Cyrus's and Jamshid's backgrounds that show their credibility problems to be even worse than those of Brenneke and Ben-Menashe.

Cyrus Hashemi was a typical Iranian middleman, trying to marry up business deals between Iran and other countries by inflating his importance to each side. According to declassified CIA documents and American intelligence officials, in early 1980 he offered his services to the Carter administration in getting the hostages released in return for spare parts for Iran. His lawyer, former Attorney General Elliot Richardson, put him in touch with the State Department. During the abortive attempt to free the hostages in April 1980, Cyrus offered to organize assistance from supporters in Tehran. The State Department even supplied him with funds, through the CIA, to assist him. But Cyrus failed to demonstrate that he had any connections in Tehran, and the CIA concluded that `his offers were part of a scam.' All contact was dropped with Cyrus.

Cyrus was only one of several self-anointed Iranian intermediaries who purported to speak for Iran in dangling the freedom of the hostages in exchange for military weapons. Sick himself observed as much several years ago, in a chapter for the 1985 Council of Foreign Relations Anthology American Hostages in Iran: The Conduct of a Crisis: `Throughout the late summer and fall of 1980, the Carter administration had been approached by private individuals claiming to speak for Iranian authorities ... the evidence strongly suggested that these were private entrepreneurs who saw the possibility of some lucrative business for themselves.'

In mid-1984 Cyrus, Jamshid, and a third brother, Reza, were indicted for their illegal efforts from October 21, 1980, through November 1981 to ship tens of millions of dollars of military equipment to Iran. After learning about the Hashemis' secret contacts with Iranian arms procurement officials in September 1980, FBI agents wiretapped Cyrus's office and temporary apartment in Manhattan. According to a transcript of one conversation on October 21, 1980, Cyrus and several Americans discussed plans to fulfill a request from Iranian officials for Cyrus (who had told them that he could obtain badly needed weapons) to arrange the exporting of arms. In the conversations Cyrus admitted that the project was illegal and suggested various ways of avoiding detection. That was the day after Brenneke had said Cyrus was in Paris meeting with Casey. In a subsequent interview with ABC's `Nightline,' Jamshid made another startling claim; that starting up in August 1980, after the deal' was concluded with Casey, tens of millions of dollars of American-made weapons were shipped by boat to Iran from Israel. No evidence exists to support the claim, but if it is true, why would the Hashemis have worked so feverishly to obtain weapons in October through what they knew were illegal means?

Reza pleaded guilty, but Cyrus and Jamshid fled to Europe to avoid arrest. Cyrus retained several lawyers, including Richardson, who asked Casey, unsuccessfully, for special dispensation for his client in light of his earlier `assistance' to the United States in 1980, referring to his secret work with the State Department. When that failed, Cyrus attempted, again unsuccessfully, to negotiate for charges against him to be dropped in return for his cooperation in interceding with Iranian officials to secure the release of the hostages in Lebanon. Throughout this period neither Cyrus nor Reza nor Jamshid ever revealed to their attorneys or to U.S. government officials their alleged secret meetings with Casey in 1980. Is it conceivable that these men, who were desperate to get the charges against them dropped and were threatening, according to memorandums of conversations between Justice and CIA officials at the time, to reveal anything they knew, would not have threatened to disclose the most damaging information they possessed--a secret deal between Casey and Iran in 1980?

According to court records, in 1985 Cyrus, still a fugitive from justice, became involved with a group of international arms dealers, including Americans and Israelis, trying to sell arms to Iran. Cyrus then asked his attorney to relay to the Justice Department his offer to serve as an informant in the arms transaction in return for dropping the charges. The U.S. government agreed only to be `lenient' with Cyrus. He accepted. Soon thereafter the Customs agents, as part of a giant sting operation, began working with Cyrus overseas and in the United States to record secretly his conversations with the arms dealers.

Cyrus died on July 21, 1986, in London. A coroner's report attributed his death to a virulent strain of leukemia, which had been diagnosed only days before. A U.S. Customs Service agent attended the autopsy and concurred in its conclusions. Nevertheless, Hashemi's supporters, including attorney William Kunstler (who represents one of the arms dealers) and `Frontline's Parry have stated that his death was `mysterious,' that Cyrus was murdered to shut him up about what he knew about the October Surprise, and that the U.S. government has covered up his murder. Kunstler, who says that `there are suspicious needle pricks on both elbows' about the case, points out the The Village Voice is seriously considering paying for an exhumation. If anyone had in incentive to kill Cyrus, however, it was the arms dealers. After all, it was Cyrus's death that forced the government to drop its case against these men.

On July 20, after Sick and `Frontline' had aired Jamshid's charges, ABC's `Nightline' picked up on them. In an off-camera interview Jamshid described the meetings in Madrid at which the deal was allegedly arranged. At the first of them, which he said covered two consecutive days in `late July,' Casey and two unidentified Americans first proposed the deal to Mehdi Karrubi, a `close associate' of Khomeini. The Hashemis allegedly served as interpreters. According to Jamshid, the parties met in Madrid again two weeks later, when Karrubi conveyed khomeini's approved of Casey's offer. `Nightline' and The Financial Times of London investigated Jamshid's charges and claimed to have found evidence that corroborated the story.

Among the `evidence' was the fact that hotel records indicate a Jamshid Halaj and an A. Hashemi checked into the Madrid Plaza in late July, and an Ali Balnean in August. These names allegedly confirmed Jamshid's recollection that he and his brother often used aliases. Jamshid even furnished `Nightline' with a business card using the name Ali Balnean. (`Nightline' also said that the name Robert Gray was in the hotel records. Robert Gray is a Washington public relations executive who served as Casey's top deputy in the 1980 campaign. He supplied `Nightline' with his passport, which indicated that he had not left the country in July or August 1980.) Even if one were to believe that the records were not altered with the Hashemis running around the globe attempting to broker arms deals it would hardly be surprising that they had been in Madrid during the tie Jamshid is talking about. Casey, however, was not.

`Nightline' said that Hashemi's accounts of the meetings were supported by the fact that William Casey was unaccounted for in the public record between August 8 and August 13, as well as July 27 to July 29. It is true that Casey was absent from the public record for a week in August, but it is surely more likely that he was busy with the Reagan campaign than flying off to Madrid. `Nightline' offered more `evidence' in support of the July absence: an unrelated article from The New York Times on July 30, 1980, about the complaints of a right-to-life group over Bush's selection as vice president, quoting a Reagan spokesman as saying Casey would deal with the group, `when he returns from his trip abroad . (In a side note, `Nightline' did report that Jamshid Hashemi said Bush did not attend the alleged October Paris meetings as claimed by a number of others.)

However, `Nightline' had failed to find out that Casey was not in Madrid, but in London, at the Anglo-American Conference on the Second World War. So at the end of an unrelated show a week later, having been contacted by some of those who had attended the conference with Casey, `Nightline' provided a brief update on their previous report. They said that it has been confirmed that Casey had presented a paper on special operations in France during World War II on the morning of July 29, and showed a picture of Casey with some others taken at a reception on the evening of July 28. Ted Koppel said this would leave July 27 and early on July 28 for Casey to have met in Madrid (it is a ninety-minute flight from Madrid to London.

But `Nightline' was wrong again. Jonathan Chadwick, the secretary of the British planning committee for the conference, showed us documents from the conference, which chart the attendance of each participant at each session as well as their accommodations. Casey is not only accounted for in the evening of July 28 and the morning of July 29, but also for the night of July 27 and all day, except for a brief absence, on July 28. This makes Jamshid's story of two consecutive days of meetings impossible.

Not surprising, after the `Frontline' and Sick airing of the October Surprise, new `sources' emerged to tell of their dealings with Bush and Casey. Gunther `Russ' Russbacker claimed that he was the `smoking gun' in the October Surprise conspiracy. He told Marc Cooper of The Village Voice, in a story published this past August, that as instructed by his `big boss' at the CIA, he--along with `co-pilot' Richard Brenneke--flew Bush and Gregg back and forth to Paris in October 1980. What's more, Russbacker claimed that he flew back to the United States in a SR-71 supersonic high altitude spy plane in a flight that lasted ninety minutes. `Sitting next to me was George Bush, `throughout the flight.

Russbacher gave his interview to The Village Voice from prison, where he is serving a twenty-one-month sentence for impersonating a federal officer. Yes, he too claims that he was framed by the CIA to shut him up. But he would not be silenced. And as noted by the Voice, Russbacher `has already become a sought-after guest on the radio talk show circuit (from a phone inside the prison) and his story has elicited queries from ABC `Nightline,' NBC, CBS, The New York Times, Newsday, USA Today, San Diego Union, San Jose Mercury News, Dallas Morning News, and other publications.'

The Voice revealed that Russbacher had a lengthy relationship with federal authorities, going back to 1965 when he was arrested for impersonating a U.S. marshal, to his army desertion in 1967, his false claim that he was an Army major, and his escape from prison in 1975. In 1987 he pleaded guilty to securities fraud.

For believers in the October Surprise, no doubt there are other `sources' out there, waiting to provide their own testimony. Yet the story has finally begun to unravel--and at least one star witness seems to have caught himself in his own web of lies. The Voice, which had been a proponent of the conspiracy, published a piece in September declaring that Brenneke `was nowhere near the alleged conspirators' meetings in Madrid and Paris in 1980, where he claims he helped Republican big-wigs negotiate a secret hostage deal behind Jimmy Carter's back.' The author, Frank Snepp, had obtained Brenneke's diaries and credit card receipts, which showed that between 1980 and 1982 Brenneke `was never away from his favorite Portland restaurants and shopping malls for more than a few days at a time'--despite his sworn testimony that he personally flew planeloads of arms to Iran for `four to five weeks at a time' and his claim to have met with Bush, Gregg, and Iranian intermediaries during the same period.

Brenneke had originally given his financial documents to a writer named Peggy Adler Robohm after she signed a contract with Brenneke and his agent last year to write his story. Initially an ardent believer in Brenneke, after scrutinizing his personal records Robohm found credit card bills and personal calendar notations that showed indisputably that he had lied, and she volunteered her information to Snepp. Snepp, who had reported Brenneke's allegations as truthful for ABC News for several years, now admits that his `apparent October Surprise fabrications undercut the credibility of everything he touched.' He also concedes that Brenneke's own letters `trace the evolution of his public allegations, showing how tips from journalists and other sources prompted him to change this or that date, or modify a particular story line.'

Still, cospiratorialists are not easily dissuaded. Although Snepp no longer believes that Bush or Gregg went to Paris in October 1980, he believes that Casey met with Iranian officials in Madrid in July 1980 to negotiate a secret deal with the Iranians. As for Brenneke, Snepp questions whether he was deliberately planted to `sidetrack and sabotage the investigation.' Nevertheless, it is important to note that despite the irrefutable evidence that Brenneke never participated in any meetings, none of the other key sources has ever disassociated himself from Brenneke.

Meanwhile, with Brenneke largely discredited, Ben-Menashe has emerged as the main source. The October issue of Esquire features an article by Craig Unger that rehashes many of the earlier allegations and Ben-Menashe's most fantastic stories about the conspiracy. Not to be outdone, Newsweek has hired Unger to be a special consultant to help promote its own October Surprise investigation, although it recently published a piece raising serious questions about Ben-Menashe's credibility.

Bani-Sadr himself seems to be tripping over misstatements he has made over the past several years. In an interview with The New Republic in September 1991 at his home in Versailles, he recanted key allegations. Asked whether he still affirmed his charge in Playboy that Bush led the American side in secret Paris meetings with the Iranians and at least three arms dealers whom he also named, Bani-Sadr said, `No, that information had been given to me. So I gave the information so that it could be checked to see if they were there. For me, their presence does not matter. I have never guaranteed that those people were really those who had negotiated.'

Pressed on his allegation in his book and in Playboy about Bush's presence in Paris, which he had said came from `intelligence,' Bani-Sadr now backed away: `I have always repeated that I wasn't sure.' He went on to say: `As a matter of fact, I am a sociologist. I do not deal with names; I deal with relations. And morally also I cannot really say if these people or other people were there because I am not sure. . . . I received names from Iran and I transmitted them; some proved to be true through research and others did not.' Still, Bani-Sadr had a novel explanation for why he had raised the Bush charge: `It is said that Bush himself and his entourage initiated this information so they could later refute it and brand it all lies.'

In the end, October Surprise believers point to their final fall-back argument: Casey was capable of doing anything. Indeed, Casey was capable of doing a lot of nasty things--as demonstrated by the Iran-contra disclosures. But no evidence has ever emerged that shows Casey at a secret meeting in Madrid or involved in any scheme to delay the release of the hostages.

On October 20, the very day that Brenneke and Ben-Menashe claim that Casey was in Paris, campaign records show that Casey had an 8 a.m. appointment at the Metropolitan Club in Washington and that he had two other appointments that day. Moreover, Richard Allen's personal telephone log shows that Casey made a telephone call to him on October 20 at 7:30 a.m., which Allen recalls as being local.

Proponents of the October Surprise theory, including Sick, cite as circumstantial evidence of a Reagan-Khomeini deal the facts that promising negotiations with the Carter administration in the fall of 1980 were broken off and that the Iranians dropped arms from their list of demands. Even here, however, the events do not support the conclusion. According to all accounts of the crisis, far from breaking off, the negotiations continued intensely through January. In September 1980 Khomeini sent his associate Sadegh Tabatabai to meet with the American negotiator, Warren Christopher, in Germany. `The first meetings were very promising,' Christopher told The Los Angeles Times in October 1988. Tabatabai presented a set of moderate demands, including a U.S. non-intervention commitment, the unfreezing of Iranian assets in the United States, and the return of the Shah's wealth to Iran. In addition, Tabatabai asked for the delivery of some $350 million in arms and other military equipment that the Shah had purchased. Although Sick and other conspiratorialists remain surprised at the dropping of this demand, Christopher, who should know, notes: `I discouraged it, and it never came back. . . .' As he explained to The Los Angeles Times, `The issue of arms stayed on the table only briefly, I think they were just testing us.'

In September 1980 Iraq invaded Iran. The Iraqi invasion preoccupied the Iranians, interrupting the negotiations. It was not until November 2, after they had stabilized the front, that the Iranians were able to return to the negotiating table. It was too late to reach a deal before the November 4 election. Both Christopher and Lloyd Cutler, counsel to President Carter accept this explanation. As Christopher said: `It is an interesting question why the promising meetings we had in September ended so abruptly. . . . But I've always felt that the outbreak of the war seemed a sufficient explanation.' In an op-ed piece in The New York Times, Cutler wrote that it was not until later in the fall that Hashemi Rafsanjani consolidated power, and any earlier deal would have made him vulnerable to attack from the more radical, anti-U.S. mullahs, including Bani-Sadr, who opposed the January deal with Carter as being too favorable to the United States. It was for this reason also that the Iranians rejected an October 11 offer from President Carter to provide, in exchange for the release of hostages, $150 million in arms that had been purchased by the Shah but held in the United States after the revolution. The release was in fact delayed, but it was done so unilaterally by the Iranians for their own motives--not least their enmity for Carter.

One of Sick's and `Frontline's major claims is that Israel served as a conduit for weapons immediately after release of the hostages. Yet none of their sources even remotely agrees on what arms were allegedly traded as a result of a deal, or how they were traded. Ben-Menashe's assertion that Israel sold $82 billion in arms to Iran over six years, mostly transported by plane, is contradicted by Jamshid Hashemi's statement that his brother arranged for the shipment of $150 million in arms by boat in four round trips from Israel to Iran between August 1980 and January 1981. Houshang Lavi declared that he witnessed Iranian officials select arms on NATO bases in 1981, and Richard Brenneke claimed that he laundered $40 million to Iran for arms purchases. And Bani-Sadr can't even get his own story straight. In In These Times he said that Iran received between $50 million and $100 million in arms during his administration. In his book and in our interview, however, Bani-Sadr denied that any large arms shipments were received when he was president, and that those promised as a result of the 1980 `deal' are continuing today.

Israel did in fact deliver arms, most probably with Reagan administration approval, in February 1981. However, State Department documents and interviews with Israeli and U.S. intelligence officials show that the amount was no more than $70 million. Moreover, the shipments were anything but an aberration. They were the resumption of what had been Israeli policy toward Iran prior to the crisis and the arms embargo, a policy that had often diverged from American interests. Israel had even continued some shipments during the embargo, but when Prime Minister Begin retroactively asked President Carter for his approval, Carter angrily refused, and no more equipment was traded. Shipments were resumed only after Carter himself, as part of a final agreement before he left office, lifted most sanctions on Iran on January 19, 1981.

Meanwhile, Sick has plunged even further into the depths of conspiracy. Several journalists say that earlier this year he told them that Gates was part of the October Surprise in 1980, and that the Senate Intelligence Committee chairman, David Boren, would not investigate because he was being `blackmailed' by the White House, which threatened to leak derogatory allegations about his personal life. According to Sick: `I never said I had personal knowledge of that. It was being told to me by other journalists.' As for the bigger story, Sick says: `The whole October Surprise was a professionally managed covert action, and I'm frankly surprised that I have as much evidence as I do.'

Sick's stubborn perpetuation of the story is all the more surprising given the scorn with which he greeted the Repbulicans' allegations in 1980 that Carter was planning an `October Surprise' to win the election. Six years ago, writing in the Council of Foreign Relations anthology, he declared: `In the last few months before the presidential elections, there were spurious reports that the Carter administration was planning a spectacular military operation against Iran. This so-called `October Surprise' allegedly would be intended to win votes for the president. The story was a total fabrication. It was promptly denied by the White House, and a number of responsible newspapers refused to print it. Nevertheless, the story received widespread attention and soon developed a life of its own.'

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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 10:30 AM
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227. this country is corrupt to its core
nothing about our government is legitimate.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 10:35 AM
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228. I thought so at the time
I was 18 in 1980 and could see right through it.

The timing was just way too convenient. Hell, the incoming Reagan admin :puke: crowed about it. "We did what JC couldn't do!"

It really did smell that it was designed to make Jimmy Carter look bad. I felt so sorry for him. He had worked diligently and in good faith to try to get them released. Then here comes slimy old RR and his posse of miscreants to "save the day."

:puke: I was sort of a middle of the roader then. That act put me on the path to liberalism permanently. If they are lying about this, what else have they/are they lying about?
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 10:57 AM
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230. President Carter believed in Sustainable Economic and Sustainable Energy Policies.
And, frankly, it is a miracle that the man is living today.

I knew it stunk to high heaven at the time it was going down.

I never realized how terrible we would become in NOT ever returning to a common sense approach to these.

:cry:
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:18 AM
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231. Looks like someone from the early eighties owes me $50
PS - You do realize this is treason, right?
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241. kick
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