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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:11 PM
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Viva! el Cinco de Mayo!
2 links and a bit of history on this day of celebration and partying. Living in the northern tier, our town still celebrates in various ways. Now, off to make guacamole and turn on the music!

http://clnet.ucla.edu/cinco.html
Cinco de Mayo is a date of great importance for the Mexican and Chicano communities. It marks the victory of the Mexican Army over the French at the Battle of Puebla. Althought the Mexican army was eventually defeated, the "Batalla de Puebla" came to represent a symbol of Mexican unity and patriotism. With this victory, Mexico demonstrated to the world that Mexico and all of Latin America were willing to defend themselves of any foreign intervention. Especially those from imperialist states bent on world conquest.

Cinco de Mayo's history has its roots in the French Occupation of Mexico. The French occupation took shape in the aftermath of the Mexican-American War of 1846-48. With this war, Mexico entered a period of national crisis during the 1850's. Years of not only fighting the Americans but also a Civil War, had left Mexico devastated and bankrupt. On July 17, 1861, President Benito Juarez issued a moratorium in which all foreign debt payments would be suspended for a brief period of two years, with the promise that after this period, payments would resume.

The English, Spanish and French refused to allow president Juarez to do this, and instead decided to invade Mexico and get payments by whatever means necessary. The Spanish and English eventually withdrew, but the French refused to leave. Their intention was to create an Empire in Mexico under Napoleon III. Some have argued that the true French occupation was a response to growing American power and to the Monroe Doctrine (America for the Americans). Napoleon III believed that if the United States was allowed to prosper indescriminantly, it would eventually become a power in and of itself. In 1862, the French army began its advance. Under General Ignacio Zaragoza, 5,000 ill-equipped Mestizo and Zapotec Indians defeated the French army in what came to be known as the "Batalla de Puebla" on the fifth of May.

In the United States, the "Batalla de Puebla" came to be known as simply "5 de Mayo" and unfortunately, many people wrongly equate it with Mexican Independence which was on September 16, 1810, nearly a fifty year difference. Over, the years Cinco de Mayo has become very commercialized and many people see this holiday as a time for fun and dance. Oddly enough, Cinco de Mayo has become more of Chicano holiday than a Mexican one. Cinco de Mayo is celebrated on a much larger scale here in the United States than it is in Mexico. People of Mexican descent in the United States celebrate this significant day by having parades, mariachi music, folklorico dancing and other types of festive activities.




http://www.vivacincodemayo.org/history.htm
The 5th of May is not Mexican Independence Day, but it should be! And Cinco de Mayo is not an American holiday, but it should be. Mexico declared its independence from mother Spain on midnight, the 15th of September, 1810. And it took 11 years before the first Spanish soldiers were told and forced to leave Mexico. So, why Cinco de Mayo? And why should Americans savor this day as well? Because 4,000 Mexican soldiers smashed the French and traitor Mexican army of 8,000 at Puebla, Mexico, 100 miles east of Mexico City on the morning of May 5, 1862.
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When the battle was over, many French were killed or wounded and their cavalry was being chased by Diaz' superb horsemen miles away. The Mexicans had won a great victory that kept Napoleon III from supplying the confederate rebels for another year, allowing the United States to build the greatest army the world had ever seen. This grand army smashed the Confederates at Gettysburg just 14 months after the battle of Puebla, essentially ending the Civil War.

Union forces were then rushed to the Texas/Mexican border under General Phil Sheridan, who made sure that the Mexicans got all the weapons and ammunition they needed to expel the French. American soldiers were discharged with their uniforms and rifles if they promised to join the Mexican Army to fight the French. The American Legion of Honor marched in the Victory Parade in Mexico, City.

It might be a historical stretch to credit the survival of the United States to those brave 4,000 Mexicans who faced an army twice as large in 1862. But who knows? In gratitude, thousands of Mexicans crossed the border after Pearl Harbor to join the U.S. Armed Forces. As recently as the Persian Gulf War, Mexicans flooded American consulates with phone calls, trying to join up and fight another war for America.

Mexicans, you see, never forget who their friends are, and neither do Americans. That's why Cinco de Mayo is such a party -- A party that celebrates freedom and liberty. There are two ideals which Mexicans and Americans have fought shoulder to shoulder to protect, ever since the 5th of May, 1862. VIVA! el CINCO DE MAYO!!
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:24 PM
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1. Let's hear it for resistance to occupation! I think most Mexicans refuse to
fight in wars of imperialism, such as the the wars against Iraq.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:53 PM
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5. You're closer to the truth than you realize
Edited on Sat May-05-07 12:57 PM by Xipe Totec
The aftermath of Cinco de Mayo (Emperor Maximilian I of Mexico):

So how did they come to be pitted in a struggle that could only be resolved by the extermination of one or the other? Wags have referred to Archduke Maximilian as an "archdupel" -- a well-intentioned man who took on an imperial mission after having been gulled by scheming manipulators into believing that he would be ruling over a population that genuinely adored him.

Who were these men who lured Maximilian to his doom? They were a group of hardline conservatives in exile because their faction had been defeated in the bloody Reform War of 1857-60, which saw the triumph of Liberal forces under Juárez. These emigrés dreamed of a social order in Mexico where the power of the Church and the big landowners, emasculated by Juárez and his followers, would once more be dominant.

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While propagandists hostile to Maximilian have depicted him as a haughty princeling who attempted to impose himself on the Mexican people, this picture is completely inaccurate. "A Hapsburg," (Maximilian) said sternly to Gutiérrez, "never usurps a throne." He requested a written document reflecting the desire of a representative majority of the Mexican nation.

Gutiérrez and his associates then launched a Potemkin operation designed to deceive the gullible archduke. In May 1863 French troops had driven (Mexican president) Juárez out of Mexico City. (A leading ally of Mexico's conservatives was French Emperor Napoleon III.) General Forey, the French commander, promptly convoked a puppet "Supreme Council" of conservatives and they issued a "spontaneous" call for Maximilian to come and rule Mexico.

Does this sound vaguely similar to our present occupation in Iraq? :think:



The ironies go further still:

Since the imperial couple (Maximilian and Carlota) never had children, their enemies charged that Maximilian was impotent and Carlota barren. Neither of these charges is true. Maximilian had an Indian mistress in Cuernavaca and, according to contemporary historians, she gave birth to a boy in 1866. As for Carlota, she was having an affair with a Belgian officer in Maximilian's army, Colonel Alfred van der Smissens, and was pregnant when she went to Europe to plead her husband's cause. A boy was born and French patriots have reason to wish that Carlota had either miscarried or aborted. Her illegitimate son grew up to be General Maxime Weygand, who surrendered the French armies to Hitler in 1940 and paved the way for the collaborationist Vichy regime.




http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/history/jtuck/jtmaximilian.html


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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:29 PM
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2. Thanks for the primer
We put our Mexican Flag up today
Why not we put an Irish flag out on St Pat's?
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 01:10 PM
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9. I thought the Irish flag was up 24x7
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 01:28 PM
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10. I loved the movie
and, actually met a guy from that town the last time I was in Mexico.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:32 PM
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3. Thank you so much for this.
I'm pretty sure I never got this in school.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:53 PM
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4. I used to think Mexican Independence day, but it is even more interesting than that.
OK, Mexico's independence is important, but I find Cinco de Mayo reason more interesting. Wish I was in an area where more was happening, managed to be in souther tier 1 yr for it, was very cool.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 12:57 PM
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6. Pout...
I'm STILL pregnant and can't have a margaretta.

:(
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 01:00 PM
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7. Yeah, lemon slushie just isn't the same.
When do you pop? Hope things are going well for you.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 01:01 PM
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8. K&R.
Happy Cinco de Mayo!
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 04:16 PM
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11. A Thoughtful Texas Anglo's Perspective...
I approve of celebrating Cinco de Mayo. Resisting and defeating a foreign army is a very big deal. The French Empire was seen as the second strongest foreign military power in the 1860's.

I do not understand the rising hostility to celebrating Cinco de Mayo here in my home state. Do the immigrant-bashers want to ban St. Patrick's Day? Do they want to do away entirely with Columbus Day? Do they want to pretend that Texas' very large Mexican-descended minority doesn't exist?

Are the xenophobes trying to peddle a line that great deeds done by the Texas-born don't count if they're done outside of Texas? Are the xenophobes trying to convince us that Eisenhower's Texas birth doesn't count because Ike was President in Washington, DC? Are the xenophobes trying to convince us that Admiral Chester Nimitz' Texas birth doesn't count or that his deeds in World War II ought to be ignored.

Mexican general Ignacio de Zaragosa was Texas-born, with roots as deep in Texas history as many of the Anglo "Johnnies Come Lately" who've joined the so-called "Minutemen" or put themselves on the Savage Weiner's mailing list.

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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 06:16 PM
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12. I'm enjoying my Cinco de Mayo margarita right now.
All red blooded Americans love ethnic holidays especially if they involve drinking large quantities of alcohol.

Viva Mexico!
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 06:37 PM
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13. Cinco de Mayo story
Back in 1998, Mr 'pede and I went to a family reunion sorta thing, aunt's 90th birthday. After getting into Austin about 11 AM we decided to stop at the Capitol plus have some lunch before heading to reunion HQ on Lake Travis. I'd been before but he hadn't (being from Connecticut and all). So, we arrive in the rotunda at the same time a tour group is starting off. We stand on the edge, halfway listening to the girl in charge, when she mentions Cinco de Mayo and says it's "Mexican Independence Day." So I whisper to hubby that no it's not. Didn't whisper enough because everybody looks at me and I say that May 5 is the date of the battle of Puebla back in the 1860's when Austrian Archduke Maximillian, with his lovely bride Carlotta, was running Mexico and the Mexicans were fighting the French. Well, she heard me and said something like, would you like to conduct this tour? Course, now everyone is wondering just who is this Maximillian guy and what are the Austrians and French doing in Mexico. We slunk off in another direction, don't think I was up to a lecture on Mexican history. I don't like to fly and had boarded the plane in Tampa after a couple of Bloody's, reinforced with some Dewar's in flight.
And, yes, Mr 'pede loves to fly and he was doing the driving.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 06:39 PM
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14. Too funny, happy Cinco de Mayo
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 04:50 PM
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19. Something like that happened to me in Yosemite.
A ranger was giving one of those great lectures and he starts off by asking if anyone had read or studied anything about Native American culture. I blew it and raised my hand. And he asked me if I wanted to do the presentation.

:blush:

Never again. I know NOTHING. lol
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 06:40 PM
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15. So, why does the cinco have only 2 recs?
lol

:hi:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 12:01 PM
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18. Really. I was expecting at LEAST a cinco.
:hi:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-05-07 07:19 PM
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16. So, we celebrate a Mexican holiday? I was born on Guy Fawkes Day; I'll expect some fireworks!
Edited on Sat May-05-07 07:20 PM by WinkyDink
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 11:42 AM
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17. The same argument could be made about Christmas! lol
What about solidarity with people fighting for democracy? :)
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 06:40 PM
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20.  I'm a big fan of Bastille Day, personally.
And I'm not even kidding.
Was in Paris once then; the tri-colored contrails of the jets flying overhead were impressive!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-06-07 07:10 PM
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21. The day I was in Paris, the Louvre was closed
for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception. Argh!
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