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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:23 PM
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Fox News pulls fake data straight from their ass: "Immigrants responsible for 2,000 deaths annually"
Fox News grotesquely smears immigrants by blaming them for over 2,000 deaths annually -- based on wild speculation

By David Neiwert Friday May 07, 2010 12:00pm



http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/fox-news-grotesquely-smears-immigran

Remember how Lou Dobbs got in trouble for touting phony statistics linking immigration to leprosy?

Well now Fox News is doing the same thing -- with only a slightly different angle>

Yesterday on Fox & Friends, Gretchen Carlson interviewed a fellow named Ed Kowalski, who is a board member of the group 9/11 Families for a Secure America, about Arizona's new police-state immigration law. It produced this exchange:

Carlson: According to you, politicians seem to be more concerned about the illegals' rights than the rights of the Americans, some of whom end up dead.

Kowalski: That's correct, that's correct. As best as we can estimate, 2,200 Americans a year are murdered by criminal illegal aliens. That number is staggering.

Several times the chryon read: "FSM: 2,158 Killed By Illegals Every Year."

It's a completely phony statistic. As Media Matters explains:

The immigrant murder rate cited by Fox News is based on a 2005 Human Events article by Mac Johnson. In the article, Johnson said he attempted to locate statistics on "illegal alien murders" but was told "that no one kept track" of those numbers. Johnson then "arrived at my own approximation of the number," which he called "crude." After admitting that "the murder rate among illegal aliens in America is unknown," Johnson assumed that the rate at which "illegal aliens" murder would remain consistent with murder rates from the immigrant's home country.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:27 PM
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1. wow, that's bad statistical reasoning
that's like the idiot who estimated aids deaths in the gay community by counting obits in local publications
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:28 PM
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2. knr
derp derp.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:47 PM
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6. K&R... dee dee dee!


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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:33 PM
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3. Faux made up numbers about "Illegals" not "Immigrants"
Not defending faux, but they clearly are saying "illegals" not "immigrants."
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Robbie88 Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:38 PM
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4. K&R
Unfortunately the right wing in this country seems to have little desire for fact checking, so I'm sure that we will hear this mythical statistic tossed around as fact by American conservatives in the coming weeks...
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 02:42 PM
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5. I estimate that Gretchen Carlson has had sex with 3,968 different species.
And Ed Kowalski is not one of those species.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:02 PM
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9. Bad stat
There aren't that many species that would sink so low. Even Komodo dragons have standards.
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Coco2 Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:01 PM
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7. illegal immigrant murder rates in TX
The murder and attempted murder rates involving illegal immigrants is quite a bit higher than other groups here in Texas. THe reason being bandied about is that most of these murders involve mexican gangs and drugs. However there is some evidence that the now unemployed illegals are being recruited by the drug gangs, so things may get worse. Who knows.
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wcast Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 04:59 PM
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12. Link Please
N/T
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:01 PM
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8. From their anuses
Which are on their faces.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 03:57 PM
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10. And we know Gretchen knows how to Google, because she told us
that's where she went to find the definition of "ignoramus".



(I'm sure she does not see the irony.)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 04:16 PM
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11. White people kill at least 4500 Americans a year! I don't care if they're here legally or not!
Send them back to Yurp! Let's save lives!
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-10 05:01 PM
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13. Probably a hell of a lot more than that
seeing as how Murdoch, whose Faux Noise helped whip up yet another war frenzy in this country, is himself an immigrant; in fact, he only secured U.S. citizenship in order to circumvent U.S. law prohbiting ownership of broadcast media by foreigners!
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