New light shed on Kent State killings

[Elmore Furth]

I know that the Washington Times is a mouthpiece of the moonies and a right wing rag but here is an 'interesting' story which may also be total crap.

Tuesday May 4, 2010

Previously undisclosed FBI documents suggest that the Kent State antiwar protests were more meticulously planned than originally thought and that one or more gunshots may have been fired at embattled Ohio National Guardsmen before their killings of four students and woundings of at least nine others on that searing day in May 1970.

An exhaustive review later concluded that this unrest on the streets — the worst in Kent's history — was "not an organized riot or a planned protest."

But the FBI's investigation swiftly uncovered reliable evidence that suggested otherwise. Among the strongest was a pre-dawn conversation — never before reported — between two unnamed men overheard inside a campus lounge later that night. Their discussion was witnessed by the girlfriend of a Kent State student and conveyed up the FBI chain of command 15 days later.

Yet the declassified FBI files show the FBI already had developed credible evidence suggesting that there was indeed a sniper and that one or more shots may have been fired at the guardsmen first.



New light shed on Kent State killings

[Blue-Jay]

1. Sounds like bullshit to me.

Yeah, let's blame the hippies. Get that shit out of here.

[Ron Green]

2. I vote "total crap."

Consider the source.

[NutmegYankee]

3. A "sniper" still doesn't justify randomly firing into a crowd.

And that presumes this isn't just someones imagination run amok.

[tkmorris]

4. What a load of bollox

There is absolutely nothing new here. It is a tired rehashing of a theory that was deemed false at the time, and there is nothing here which changes that.

Did you happen to notice this was a Fox News correspondent with a book to sell?

[madmax]

12. +1 Four Dead In OHIO nt

[fishwax]

16. "a Fox News correspondent with a book to sell"

That's a pretty clear indictment of his credibility :)

[Walk away]

5. I doubt very much that if this were true it would have been covered up for forty years...

This is just garbage from the FOXnews of news papers.

This post actually makes me sick. Who will ever forget the sight of dead, unarmed children? I am sorry I read it.

[Bosso 63]

6. Why would they have kept that a secret?

Was the FBI protecting the image of the students? I find that very unlikely, but I do find it interesting that this "new information" would be released now,and makes me wonder about the motivation. I was in kindergarten at the time, but I think someone is trying to re-write history.

[Walk away]

11. Next thing you know they'll have Richard Nixon doing triage on the victims.

:tinfoilhat:

[Jackpine Radical]

18. What, haven't you ever heard of the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy?

J. Edgar Hoover was a communist, covering up for those dirty &^(* hippies.

[EFerrari]

7. I vote total crap.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

8. I heard 77 of the guardsmen were cut down in their prime... while they

were peacefully trying to save the students from themselves. BULLSHIT.

[lunatica]

9. That's fabricated

First of all the National Guard shouldn't have even been there because it was a very peaceful gathering. The gathering itself was more spontaneous than anything else. No one was rioting or threatening the National Guard. There was no need for any shooting of any kind.

[jimshoes]

10. Total shit

Had there been a sniper shot fired that day it would have been been reported within hours, no minutes of finding out. This is a fabrication like so many others to muddy the waters of history. I'm not buying it.

[William Z. Foster]

13. absolute bullshit

Now, what was it about that article that led you to believe there was something valuable about it, or that it was worth sharing?

What did you find interesting about this story?

[Webster Green]

14. Bullshit!

That is simply not true. Nobody shot at the guardsmen.

[fishwax]

15. total crap is a good bet

[FBI_Un_Sub]

17. Total BS

My family is from Cleveland, and I was driving from Akron to Pittsburgh when WAKR broke into regular broadcasting with the initial report. Allison Krauss' father was a professional colleague, and Sandy Scheur's father had been sponsored for US citizenship by my mom's family. Our family lawyer took Scheuer v. Rhodes all the way up to Scotus. Based on what I have heard over 40 years this is total cowpattie.

If the FBI had "anything" they would have prosecuted. This goes directly to JEdgar's long held biases and prejudices.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

24. Dear FBI_Un_Sub,

Sir, I am honored to make your acquaintance over the internet.

My dad was from Ashtabula and his brother lived in Cuyahoga Falls, but Dad had left in the 1930s.

I was in high school when Kent State happened and of course it scared all of us.

I remember Dad saw the two page Black and white photospread in LIFE magazine of the troops on the hill, about the time they started shooting.

There was a man in a suit, and Dad said that that man (assuming he was the CO) had just dropped his arm in a FIRE gesture command.

Not having been in the military I would not have noticed that.

[Scuba]

19. Huh? "pre-dawn conversation...

...pre-dawn conversation — never before reported — between two unnamed men overheard inside a campus lounge later that night"... well, was it pre-dawn or later that night? Where is the Guardsman with a bullet wound?

"Got to get down to it
Soldiers are gunning us down"

[alphafemale]

20. How is this any "new light?"

There were rumors that shots were heard even at the time I think.

Explanations ranged from fabrication - to one of the kids actually having a starters pistol but the NG already knew this as he had openly fired it in the air several times - to firecrackers - to the shots came from another group that was not part of the group on campus - to the reports of shots fired before the carnage were made up after the fact.

Take your pick.

[tishaLA]

21. Hoover's FBI finding evidence to besmirch peace activists?

Yeah. Utter bullshit.

[aquart]

22. NOT TRUE.

The point of peaceful protest, MLK/Gandhi-inspired protest, is you make yourself heard in your numbers not your bullets.

We shut down the nation's colleges within hours. If there had been snipers we would have been spreading warning to watch out for them. THERE WERE NO SNIPERS. Nobody was thinking in terms of guns on our side.

We were, however, peacefully and in real terror, discussing how to make a Molotov cocktail. Because if they had decided to shoot us, we were not going to make it easy. But no armed move was made against us in any way whatsoever.

The smartest thing the Nixon administration ever did was to get real quiet and amiable after Kent State.

If sheltered commuter-school darlings like me and my friends were discussing defense, the country was days away from burning down.

[suffragette]

23. This article is so bizarre and misleading

Not surprising for a report in the WA Times written by a Fox reporter.
The 1st paragraph tries to connect the protesters and supposed "gunshots fired" by juxtaposing them in a sentence - FAIL.

On page 2, Rosen identifies someone who he reports had a gun at Kent State. Was it one of the protestors he has tried to implicate earlier. Um, no.

It also turned out that the FBI had its own informant and agent-provocateur roaming the crowd, a part-time Kent State student named Terry Norman, who had a camera. Mr. Norman also was armed with a snub-nosed revolver that FBI ballistics tests, first declassified in 1977, concluded had indeed been discharged on that day.


So, is he saying an FBI agent-provocateur started these tragic events? :crazy:

Hard to tell in this poorly written piece of crap.

[WeDidIt]

25. Got a more credible source than the Moonie Times?

:eyes:

[DailyGrind51]

26. This is unmittigated crap, the national guard fired the first and only shots that day!

[NNN0LHI]

27. Washington Times? Maybe we should see what Newsmax has to say about this?

[LiberalAndProud]

28. My goodness, the bullshit in this story is stinky.

[Crabby Appleton]

29. Hearing shots that didn't sound like an M-1?

note the guardsman on the left.