The dome has landed...

[SidDithers]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8668753.stm

A giant concrete-and-steel funnel has been placed over a blown-out oil well at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico in a bid to contain oil leaking from it.

The oil firm, BP, said it might take up to 12 hours for the containment device to settle in place, but that everything appeared to be going as planned.

It is hoped it will be able to collect as much as 85% of the oil and begin funnelling it to ships above by Monday.

This is good news.

Sid

[SidDithers]

1. Link to AP story...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gIXWYBTpLtSayJtg41LKXpxSxVPAD9FIA2NG5

A BP-chartered vessel lowered a 100-ton concrete-and-steel vault onto a ruptured well in the Gulf of Mexico on Friday, an important step in a delicate and unprecedented attempt to stop most of the gushing crude fouling the sea.

Underwater robots guided the 40-foot-tall box into place. Now that the contraption is on the seafloor, workers will need at least 12 hours to let it settle and make sure it's stable before the robots can hook up a pipe and hose that will funnel the oil up to a tanker.

"It appears to be going exactly as we hoped," BP spokesman Bill Salvin told The Associated Press on Friday afternoon, shortly after the four-story device hit the seafloor. "Still lots of challenges ahead, but this is very good progress."

By Sunday, the box the size of a house could be capturing up to 85 percent of the oil. So far about 3 million gallons have leaked in an environmental crisis that has been unfolding since a deepwater drilling platform exploded April 20, sending toxic oil toward a shoreline of marshes, shipping channels, fishing grounds and beaches. Eleven workers were killed in the accident.

Sid

[BeFree]

47. About f'n time

Amazing they didn't have this in their plans to start with.

Guess it would have cut into profits, eh?

[lonestarnot]

2. CNN is reporting that it's not in place yet.

:shrug:

[lonestarnot]

4. Also not the size of a house, unless it's a 4 story house.

:shrug:

[SidDithers]

5. Reuters is reporting it as down too...

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6430AR20100508?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

The four-story structure, the best short-term hope of controlling the spewing crude, was lowered to the seabed almost one mile below the surface in an attempt to funnel the escaping oil to a surface tanker.

posted at 9:54 pm EDT. Maybe CNN is still a few hours behind?

Sid

[lonestarnot]

11. CNN said something about being put in place around midnight. Google news

said down but not set in place yet. I want them to fucking hurry up!

[SidDithers]

12. Me too :)...nt

Sid

[lonestarnot]

15. here's a link to what I've been blathering about.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/05/07/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?iref=24hours

[SidDithers]

16. Got it. Thanks for posting that...nt

Sid

[tekisui]

9. As I read it, it is in place, but not attached to a pipe, yet.

Now that the contraption is on the seafloor, workers will need at least 12 hours to let it settle and make sure it's stable before undersea robots can hook up a pipe and hose that will funnel the oil up to a tanker.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jiumTOLf3f7WF4W_dtlNyHallMmw

[SidDithers]

10. Yeah...

I think they said Sunday or maybe even Monday before it's operational.

Fingers crossed. :)

Sid

[tekisui]

3. Yeah. Not out of the woods, but it will be a good temporary lessening

of the leak (if it works). They still have one more leak to cap, and then hope that they hold until the relief well is drilled.

[SidDithers]

7. Agreed...

if they can't stop the oil, controlling it is the next best thing.

Sid

[lonestarnot]

13. I'll take any fuckingthing that will slow it down, just so they don't make it worse. I'm nervous

about the whole fucking thing as their stupidity is looking to be the cause in the first place. I hope they have the smartest motherfucker in the room working on it.

[MattBaggins]

48. Unfortunately they haven't called me yet

[kentauros]

6. What I'd love to see is video of them connecting the pipes

to the funnel by robot 'hands'. Especially since oil should be coming out that center pipe as they connect it, unless there's a simple valve in place. I would guess not, though, or pressure would build up inside the containment funnel. But they also have to connect the outer pipe for warm-water circulation.

I wonder if the NASA channel might show some of it...

[lonestarnot]

14. Me too, like a space landing.

[XOKCowboy]

17. You KNOW that there is video. Just hope that it's "leaked" soon...

Sorry for the pun.

[lonestarnot]

18. midnight eastern time crap will be in place.

[seabeyond]

8. this is good news. now i am wishin.... ok ship sailed, that they did this way back

when

but this is good news.

[PassingFair]

19. Here's a picture of it:

[Blue-Jay]

25. That's not it.

THIS is it!

[Ishoutandscream2]

68. LOL to you and Passingfair!

[DCBob]

20. I'm confused.. if the dome is sitting on the bottom then it must be on top of the damaged pipe..

and since this dome weighs tons then it likely would seal off the pipe and stop the other smaller leak. Right??

[Beetwasher]

22. I Was Thinking The Same Thing

Unless they think it won't sever the pipe, but just push it down into the muck. But then wouldn't it be a risk to capsize the dome? The dome could never be level with one edge sitting on top of a section of the pipe.

[DCBob]

23. Yeah, since the pipe must be very strong and the pressure very high then..

maybe its just pressed down into the seabed muck and remains intact. But I suspect that is one thing they are watching closely now to see if that indeed happens as they expect.

[Blues Heron]

27. I think the dome has a slot cut in one side to admit the pipe. nt

[DCBob]

30. yeah, that would work but tricky getting it placed just right.

I guess having the robots there would help with that.

[Beetwasher]

39. The ultimate video game

Can u imagine? Think of all the factors involved.

[Beetwasher]

38. Ahh! of course,duh

But, wow! That is going to be very tricky to align!

[TheMadMonk]

24. Um, not soda straws. Pipes are designed to withstand thousands...

...of pound/sq inch.

[flyarm]

28. not with sand in it! eom

[tekisui]

31. I found this helpful:

BILOXI, Miss. — Underwater robots maneuvered a mammoth white containment dome over a leaking oil well 5,000 feet below the surface of the Gulf of Mexico on Friday as environmentalists, fishermen and hoteliers waited to see if the unprecedented effort would contain this region's 17-day-long ecological disaster.

Engineers hoped to thread a slot in the dome over the well's main leaking pipe, then let the dome sink into the mud, creating a water-tight seal. After that, engineers planned to hook a pipeline to it and pump the oil it collects into a waiting barge.

If it works as designed, engineers say the dome, really a 78-ton box with a pyramid on the top, should collect about 85 percent of the estimated 210,000 gallons spewing daily from the well.

However, many things could go wrong.

"This hasn't been done before and it will undoubtedly have some complications but we are committed to making this work,'' said Doug Suttles, the chief operating officer of British Petroleum, the London-based company that owns the leaking well.

The most daunting part of the process will entail pumping warm water down the hose to keep the oil fluid in the chilly seawater, Suttles said. At that depth and pressure, ice crystals can form that make it harder to pump.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/07/93772/gulf-coast-holds-its-breath-as.html#ixzz0nJaKwbX1

[SidDithers]

40. Good link...

thanks for adding it to the thread.

Sid

[DCBob]

96. That explains it very well. I had not seen those details anywhere else..

thanks.

[SidDithers]

36. There's a slot in the side of the dome that fits over the pipe...

so that the pipe is able to enter the dome. Once the pipe is connected at the top of the dome, a tanker at the surface will begin pumping out the contents of the dome, including the oil spewing from the pipe.

It does nothing to stop the leak at the source, but it helps to control where the oil goes.

Sid

[Statistical]

45. They are sealing the end leak first. Maybe this image will help.

[Beetwasher]

21. Kick For Hopin'

n/t

[flyarm]

26. la de fucking da..and you will know it is not leaking oil from the sides how??

Oh yeah..you won't!

And you will be kept thinking all is well right??

Well groups in Fla now claim that the fuckers who did this to our gulf have been lying from the get go..and this has most likely been leaking ( or more like gushing ) the equivelent of the Valdez every 3 days!..

so now you want to believe these lying fuckers who have hired the Biggest and best PR people in DC from the get go..and they won't let reporters fly over the oil..and they have kept environ and conservation groups as far away as possible..with the help of our government, I might add...

well you believe what you think you need to, to sleep at night..

and those of us on the Gulf will keep picking up dead birds, and fish on our coast line and live with breathing the shit in our air from this..and we will beg you a differ!

[cherokeeprogressive]

32. I have to say I can't agree with the groups in Florida and their claim relative to the Exxon Valdez.

The Valdez spilled 10.8 million gallons. The oil well in the gulf blew out 18 days ago. 10.8 million gallons x 6 means those groups are claiming that 65 million gallons have been spilled so far.

Can't see it.

[flyarm]

33. no you can't see it..they are keeping reporters out! and You can't see what is under the water! You

are right about one thing..you fucking can't see it..but it will be felt for decades and decades and decades..and we inn Fla will be living with it at least that long!

So you just sleep well..but don't eat the fish or shellfish..it will keep you up at night and with all kinds of illnesses!

We will just get those illnesses by just breathing our air!

Gives me all kinds of warm fuzzies wondering what the fuck we were breathing last week!!

It killed a shit load of our birds!!

[cherokeeprogressive]

34. Three questions:

Are you also claiming that 65 million gallons have leaked so far?

and

Doesn't oil float on top of water?

finally

Can you give me a link to whatever groups are making the 65 million gallon claim? I'd like to see what they're basing that on.

[BeFree]

50. How much oil, then? Eh?

Oil does float on water, under normal circumstances.

If spilled on top, like tankers do, then it floats.

In this case the oil is being gushered at 5,000 feet deep. Think of it as one of the smokers (underwater volcanoes) from which its ejaculations are greatly dispersed.

Not only that, they have been putting soap into the oil at 5,000 feet deep.
Soap on the surface, too, which makes the oil and water mix. Creating an emulsion, which can't be scooped up as easily as floating oil.

****************

Why doesn't the government tell us just how much oil has escaped?
Why are you having to ask? Why don't you know?

[flyarm]

51. Maybe this will answer some of your questions.,because the truth is being hidden from us ..perhaps?

as it has from the get go!!

And no..not all of the oil floats on the top..we have been told by our Local Fla news that a shit load of the oils is flowing under the water surface and no one knows exactly how much!

But one thing is for sure..BP and our government are covering up how much they do know is flowing under the water's surface!

and maybe you need to look up who has and is in bed with BP..and it sure as hell is not just repukes!
See my link at the bottom..remember Dashle who was working for and with Obama, to get him into office..while helping to steal the votes of the florida Primaries and stole our Fla delegates..You may not remember..but we Floridians sure as fuck do..and being one such former Fla elected delegate..I will never forget what was done to our delegation!! and by who.........seems Dashle was in bed with Christine Whitman..remember Christine "THE AIR IS FUCKING SAFE AT GROUND ZERO" Whitman...and now Leon Panetta the New Chief of the CIA..well it seems greed knows no bounds..and makes strange bedfellows?? Or perhaps it is time people wake the fuck up and realize there are no two parties in this nation..but one big party with a huge damn money pot in the middle and they do not invite we the people to their party or table..they just fuck us ..for their greed and $$$$$$$$$$...

Read the full article at:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/237298

or see it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8261946

Spill, Baby, Spill: Christine Whitman, Tom Daschle & Leon Panetta got on BP's payroll in 2007

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NASA Satellite Images Show Gulf Oil Spill Size Larger Than Florida

Credit http://NASA.GOV Download the original satellite image and Google Earth KML file used to create the overlay at http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/subsets/?subset=AERONET_WaveCIS_Site_CSI_6.2010121.terra.1km.

Clicking on the KML file from the NASA site launches Google Earth and overlays the photos from the NASA satellite as shown below. It is immediately apparent that the Gulf oil spill size is much larger than projected and way beyond that of official government reports or any news that the main stream media is reporting.

Screen shot of overlay of NASA satellite image taken May 1st, 2010 in Google Earth with edge of oil slick outlined.

After taking a screen shoot of the Google Earth screen I outlined the area of the Gulf oil spill size and then filled the outlined area using Paint.Net.



ABC News is the first main stream news organization showing a more accurate display of the true size of the oil spill matching the overlay above. Notice that bottom half of the spill. which is clearly in the NASA satellite photos is not in the ABC simulation.

Within hours of this post several oceanographer’s have stepped forward and admit that as the satellite images show, the Gulf Oil Spill is now in the Gulf Loop current, which has prompted the HUGE warning on the Huffington Post that the Gulf oil spill will hit Gulf Loop Current and then Florida Keys in 24 hours and hence the Gulf Stream.

Why are they hiding the truth?

This is the information age the entire world has access to satellite images. For example, from yahoo news:

Mississippi state officials said Monday that the oil had advanced 20 miles closer to the coast since Sunday. However, they said Coast Guard officials assured them that they’d get at least 72 hours notice before the oil threatens the coastline.

And whatever happened to the lowball 1,000 barrel per day estimate? Luckily SkyTruth debunked that and the government quickly revised their numbers to 5,000 barrels per day and made several marine scientists come forward with estimates of 25,000 barrels plus per day.

University of Miami oceanographer Nick Shay tells us that the oil spill has already entered the Loop Current. The loop current pushes into the Gulf in a clockwise swirl, spilling into the Straits of Florida through the Keys and then back north in the Gulf Stream up the Atlantic coast.

Robert Weisberg , an oceanographer at the University of South Florida, says the bulk of the spill is now only 30 miles north of the Loop current and estimates that the oil spill will hit North Caroline in as little as two weeks.



NASA Satellite Image of Gulf Oil Spill on May 6th.

It is beginning to seem that reports of a massive government cover-up of the size and extent of the Gulf oil spill are not as far fetched as once thought.



NASA Satellite Images Show Gulf Oil Spill Size Larger Than Florida

see maps and satellite photo's at link!!!!

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/05/03/nasa-satellite-images-show-gulf-oil-spill-larger-florida/

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do go to link and check out the satellite photo's and the changes being shown the public..

NASA MODIS/Aqua satellite image of Gulf oil spill taken May 7, 2010. Notice that only the thickest parts of the spill are now visible and the area circled is far away from land. Several news reports today show massive amounts of oil along the coasts in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama but where is all of the oil in the NASA photo?
How could all of that oil just disappear in less than 24 hours?
Yesterday’s NASA Photo:


Government Doctoring NASA Gulf Oil Spill Satellite Images?

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/05/07/government-doctoring-nasa-gulf-oil-spill-satellite-images/
Government supplied information about the Gulf oil Spill is getting even more shoddy.

First they totally low balled the amount of oil coming out of the spill. First they said it was 1,000 barrels a day. Then, thanks to SkyTruth, the estimate was revised to 5,000 barrels a day. Finally, thanks to a leaked government memo, BP was forced to admit to congress that the amount of oil leaking into the Gulf of Mexico could be up to 60,000 barrels- or 1 million gallons – a day.

Then there are the huge discrepancies of the location and size of the spill. Government reports and forecasts provided by NOAA seem to be very inaccurate. The reports just don’t match up with the NASA satellite imagery and eyewitness reports of the spill, such as videos and photos.

It seems that the cover up of the size of the oil spill has gone even further. Now it seems, in order to give the NOAA reports creditability, the Government is apparently doctoring NASA satellite images of the Gulf oil spill.

Compare today’s NASA MODIS/Aqua Gulf oil spill satellite image with a satellite image taken from the International Space Station yesterday.


Satellite Photo of Gulf oil spill taken from International Space Station May 6th.
Where did all of the oil in the Gulf of Mexico go? It’s overrunning a huge area of the Gulf in photo taken from the International Space Station just yesterday, but in today’s NASA satellite image all of the oil seems to have magically disappeared.

Why are NASA Images now being taken with less detail?
NASA satellite images are now being taken from a much further distance, which appears to have been done to hide much of the detail revealed in early satellite images. While the new photos now provide a much larger view it also means a much lower resolution per square mile. That means the areas the Gulf of Mexico with a thinner layer of oil will no longer appear in the NASA satellite images. This seems to be another tactic to hide the extent of the oil spill.

For example, see the close-up which provides a much more detail of the extent of the Gulf oil spill below?



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The environmental whistleblowers at SkyTruth debunked earlier lowball estimates from the government and BP and a recently leaked memo revealed that the whistle blowers calculations that over 1 million gallons of oil per day are leaking into the Gulf of Mexico are indeed correct. The calculations state that the Gulf Oil Spill is larger than Exxon Valdez Spill.

Gulf Oil Spill Larger than Exxon Valdez Spill
Calculations by oceanographer Ian MacDonald of SkyTruth show that the spill is leaking 26,500 barrels or 1,113,000 gallons of oil per day. The calculations show the amount of oil have topped the amount leaked in Exxon Valdez Spill on Saturday May 1st, 2001.

The calculations by MacDonald states that 12.2 million gallons of oil have already leaked into the Gulf of Mexico which is 1.2 million more than the 11 million gallons leaked in the Exxon Valdez spill.

Even at this rate, we are still only half way to the worse case scenario in which a fully unconstrained leak could gusher as much as 2 million gallons (150,000 barrels) per day. Experts are warning that even at the current rate of flow the oil spill will reach catastrophic proportions when the oil spill reaches the Gulf Stream. Experts now warned that is not a matter of if but when the oil slick will make its way up the East Coast according to Yahoo news.

“The spill and the spreading is getting so much faster and expanding much quicker than they estimated,” said Hans Graber, executive director of the university’s Center for Southeastern Tropical Advanced Remote Sensing. “Clearly, in the last couple of days, there was a big change in the size.”

“It will be on the East Coast of Florida in almost no time,” Graber said. “I don’t think we can prevent that. It’s more of a question of when rather than if.”

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2010/05/01/gulf-oil-spill-larger-than-exxon-valdez-spill/


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Spill, Baby, Spill: Christine Whitman, Tom Daschle & Leon Panetta got on BP's payroll in 2007

Posted by Better Believe It


They went to work for BP in 2007 as advisors. They are shocked and surprised by the offshore oil rig explosion. After all, they were certainly impressed by BP's sterling safety record. And the company CEO flew them out over the Gulf of Mexico on a helicopter in 2008 to demonstrate the oil giants safeguards.

What in the world could ever suggest to Whitman, Daschle and Panetta that BP had major safety problems? They obviously never read or heard anything negative about BP's safety record in the mass media. And how in the world would they find the time to read that stuff? They were far too busy taking helicopter trips and counting their money from BP. BBI




Spill, Baby, Spill
By Michael Isikoff, Ian Yarett and Matthew Philips | NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated May 10, 2010

BP has been trying hard to burnish its public image in recent years after being hit with a pair of environmental disasters, including a fatal refinery explosion in Texas and a pipeline leak in Alaska. One major step was to announce, in 2007, that it had hired a high-powered advisory board that included former EPA director Christine Todd Whitman, former Senate majority leader Tom Daschle, and Leon Panetta, who were each paid $120,000 a year. (Panetta left when he became President Obama's CIA director.) Two years ago the oil giant's chief executive, Robert Malone, flew board members out to the Gulf of Mexico on a helicopter to demonstrate the safeguards surrounding BP's advanced drilling technology. "We got a sense they were really committed to ensuring they got it right," Whitman told NEWSWEEK.

Now BP, formerly known as British Petroleum, finds itself blamed for what could prove to be the worst oil spill in U.S. history. And only weeks after Obama announced an ambitious plan to open up more U.S. offshore waters to oil drilling, shunting aside environmental concerns from his own Democratic Party, his administration is facing a comeuppance from hell. "There was a lot of wishful thinking, I guess," says Villy Kourafalou, a scientist at the University of Miami's Rosensteil School of Marine and Atmospheric Science. "The new technologies were said to be so wonderful that we'd never have an oil spill again." Rep. Frank Pallone (D-N.J.), who had sought to block the expanded drilling, says the oil and gas industry was pushing this idea hard. "They said, 'We'll never have a repeat of Santa Barbara,'?" referring to the 1969 rig explosion off the California coast. Both the Bush and Obama administrations "were buying the line that the technology was fine," Pallone adds.

BP pressed hard to make that point in D.C. Its PR efforts included payments of $16 million last year to a battery of Washington lobbyists, among them the firm of Tony Podesta, the brother of former Obama transition chief John Podesta. Last fall, after the U.S. Interior Department proposed tighter federal regulation of oil companies' environmental programs, David Rainey, BP's vice president for Gulf of Mexico exploration, told Congress that the proposal was unnecessary. "I think we need to remember," he said, that offshore drilling "has been going on for the last 50 years, and it has been going on in a way that is both safe and protective of the environment."

Read the full article at:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/237298

[SidDithers]

37. You're right. They should do nothing...

just let the oil keep spilling unchecked into the Gulf.

Sid

[flyarm]

55. nothing is no option..but the truth would damn well help! Of that we are getting almost nothing!

millions of us live on the Gulf..and we will be living with the consequences of this for the rest of our lifetimes and the lifetimes of our children and grandchildren!

Don't you want to know what the fuck you are eating?? and how much it was exposed and to what it was exposed..a huge amount of the USA and world food sources come out of that Gulf!..and the currents and gulf Stream will effect the entire Gulf and East coast as well as Europe..when this goes through the gulf stream.

This not only effects the environment..it will effect our food sources and the air we breathe!

The reality is..BP and our government are in major cover up mode..and feeding us placebo's!

[lonestarnot]

44. No one here believes a fucking word they say.

:shrug:

[tranche]

66. You'll know because of math.

[Nikki Stone1]

29. Unrec

Love, Nikki. :)

[SidDithers]

35. Maybe I should go trolling for recs at another board...

"Please K&R my post at DU" :rofl:

Naw, nobody's that pathetic, right?

Sid

[IDemo]

41. Good news, but a couple of things bear repeating

As the link says, the dome isn't 100% effective: at the quoted 85% recovery rate, that would leave 750 barrels of the estimated 5,000 barrels daily still leaking. That's 31,500 gallons, still a significant amount and assuming the actual flow wasn't greater.

Secondly, the dome placement isn't part of an effort to 'connect the pipes', at least not directly. Unless you picture a tanker(s) stationed for several years to capture the output, nothing short of completely capping the leak is a solution.

[SidDithers]

43. You're right...

the dome over this source of the leak is only to contain and control the oil, which is much easier to do at the source than at the surface. It does nothing to stop the oil from gushing. But, once in place, there will be a pipe connected to the dome, rising to a tanker at the surface, which will collect the oil/water mixture pumped from inside the dome.

Secondly, if this works, they're currently contructing another dome to place over the second leak site (the third was capped earlier in the week). That will, again, help to reduce oil spilling unchecked into the Gulf waters.

Lastly, this dome, and the potential other one, are only temporary measures to help prevent the existing spill from getting bigger. They'll remain in place while the second drilling rig is drilling a relief well which will hopefully allow the gushing well to be capped, and the oil flow to stop. That process is estimated to take 2-3 months.

Sid

[IDemo]

49. I know there will be a pipe connected to the dome

But it sounded as if some believe the connection will be made directly to the damaged pipe. My mistake if not.

[Statistical]

46. A drill ship will be collecting oil and gas for next 90+ days.

The final solution is still to drill a relief well.

The purpose of this is to simply reduce amount of oil spilled while we wait 90+ days for relief well and final cap.

[flyarm]

53. this has never been done before at that depth..and will you know how much they can really capture..

no you won't ...and since BP and our government has done nothing but lie to this point and cover up....I expect nothing more now!

Here let me give you a fake pill..you swallow it..and if you believe it will help you..it just might......

Placebo effect.....

Just keep believing the liars that lie..and you may believe everything is just aok.........you go right ahead..but the rest of us will live in reality.

edit to add..this is not directed at you IDemo..but to those who want to believe in Fairytales and the fairy godmother..!

see my post #51

[Catshrink]

42. When I hear "the dome has arrived" I think of this:

D'oooooooooooooome!!

[lib2DaBone]

52. It will catch 85% or 170,000 gallons... oil is leaking 200,000 gallons a day....

... <taking off shoes and socks.. counting on toes..>

..That means 30,000 gallons a day STILL LEAKING in the oceans?

[flyarm]

54. and that is if..a big if..this thing works..and it has never been done at that depth before..

that is the rosiest scenario..and that is if any of these bastards are even close to telling the truth..of which very little truth has been told thus far!

Placebo........more and more lies are exposed each day..and even that is little as BP and our government are in the cover up of their lifetimes! And paying big bucks to cover up ..

[jus_the_facts]

56. Apparently it's easier to have hope that BP and the gov't will take care of this...

....eventhough they're the ones that caused this disaster in the first place...just have blind faith they will fix it and you must endure the flames because you have the audacity to question the powers that be.......and the band played on.......... :nopity:

[flyarm]

58. blind faith and blind obedience..nothing more dangerous to all of us!

and dangerouus to our democracy!

and the very food and water and air we breathe.

There is some major ass covering rigght now..and the powers want you to believe it is separated by two party's of government..they don't want you to know they all drink from the same cup!

[jus_the_facts]

63. Exactly....it's a symphony of destruction....

:evilfrown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq8i2i2ZRHA

[slackmaster]

57. That would be a big improvement

:hi:

[flyarm]

59. and how will you ever know how much was captured..oh yeah..you won't!

see my post #51 and actually read it..and go to the links..even the satellites are being scrubbed from space..of the real pictures and the size of this leak and what it has penetrated of the Gulf.

Scientists are being kept at bay by BP ..and environmentalists are being kept away, as is any real reporting as reporters aren't even flying over the shit..

In our local news in St Pete Fla..the enviorn people are pissed as hell because they have been lied to and keep being deflected by the BP whores...and being kept away from the truth and facts in the water and on land!

[slackmaster]

60. That's what they're hoping you'll believe

[flyarm]

61. I don't have to hope or believe any shit..all i have to do is walk in my backyard ..the Beaches of

the Gulf and see daily the dead birds and fish floating in from the Gulf! Or seeing Black over the gulf of Mexico..my backyard! Or the stench of rotten onions and then chemicals (Turpentine smell) I smelled for 4-5 days last week..that was breathed by me and millions of other people from Clearwater Fla down to Ft Meyers, Fla.. over a 3 hour drive south!!

And we are very south of the leak ..

save your blind obedience for someone else..I live in reality.

Come join me documenting the dead birds and calling in our local aquarium to come pick them up for study and autopsy..from our pristine beaches..come before the beaches are covered with tar balls..I am training my mind to remember how lovely this is and could have been for future generations!

We are lucky..we may be spared because of the Continental Shelf off Clearwater and Tampa bay....but the rest of the Gulf towns and cities...Key West.and the incredible fishing there...and the Atlantic Coasts up to Maine ..may not be so lucky!

so keep up your smug little antidotes..but let me warn you ..stay away from shell fish and deep water fish..you might end up glowing.........;-)

[Statistical]

62. What does that have to do with 80% reduction in oil flow?

Even the remaining 20% will still kill birds and fish. It just means less birds & fish killed.

It seems some people want this to be the end of the Gulf.

[flyarm]

64. How do you know how much will be contained????? YOU DON"T !

I could tell you 90 % will be contained..or 100%..or the government could..and how will you know any damn difference??????? YOU can't ..

I would love to sell you some beach front property ...real cheap,...that tommorrow will be covered with oil tar balls!

and a shit load of those tar balls will remain on the bottom of the water you swim in..

Our local fishermen have been on Local Fla TV saying most of the oil has migrated and will continue to migrate to the sea floor where many of the fish we eat live..thise fish are now destroyed.

Like grouper?? a huge Fla food staple....don't eat it when the supply from before the spill runs out!! Just a warning ...

[Statistical]

65. So they shouldn't do anything?

BP has a very large financial reason to stop/slow the oil. I am not talking about caring about the planet or animals.

I am talking about cold hard greed $$$$$. Less oil = less cleanup costs.

The idea that they wouldn't intentionally fail in order to allow more oil into the Gulf is silly.

Tinfoil on aisle 6 please!

[flyarm]

67. They might as well be..their little placebo has failed..see link here,,,,,,,,

Cofferdam fails, BP looking for solutions
By DONNA MELTON - [e-mail]

The cofferdam BP had hoped would cap the leaking well in the Gulf now sits beside the flow of oil as experts scramble to find a way to stop ice crystals from forming inside the 125-ton box.

BP Chief Operating Officer Doug Suttles said today the cofferdam was removed from the leak and placed 600 feet away from the leak source “in a safe location while we evaluate options,” Suttles said.

The hydrates, which make the cofferdam buoyant, resemble slush and in large quantities also prevents oil from being funneled through the dome to the surface, Suttles said.
The containment vessel is lowered into the Gulf of Mexico at the site of the Deepwater Horizon rig collapse, Thursday, May 6, 2010. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

http://www.sunherald.com/2010/05/07/2165420/cofferdam-f...

be sure to read the words in this link.. “in a safe location while we evaluate options,”


Many of us were warning about this..it had never been done at this depth..and now, as many of us have warned others ..it has failed ..but those of us on the Gulf were told the likelyhood of this working were slim to none!

But don't listen to us..wtf do we know eh?? It is only our fucking backyards!

[Name removed]

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[flyarm]

75. can you read??.. THE DOME FAILED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COMPREHENSION PROBLEMS???????

THE DOME FAILED..READ THAT SLOWLY IF YOU MUST.. the dome failed!

As many of us warned it would because we have heard it over and over on our local news that the probability was... it would fail..but you are not getting that on the cable news networks..that is why many of us were making the warnings..cabeash?????????

IT FAILED!!!!

Cofferdam fails, BP looking for solutions
By DONNA MELTON - [e-mail]

The cofferdam BP had hoped would cap the leaking well in the Gulf now sits beside the flow of oil as experts scramble to find a way to stop ice crystals from forming inside the 125-ton box.

BP Chief Operating Officer Doug Suttles said today the cofferdam was removed from the leak and placed 600 feet away from the leak source “in a safe location while we evaluate options,” Suttles said.

The hydrates, which make the cofferdam buoyant, resemble slush and in large quantities also prevents oil from being funneled through the dome to the surface, Suttles said.
The containment vessel is lowered into the Gulf of Mexico at the site of the Deepwater Horizon rig collapse, Thursday, May 6, 2010. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

http://www.sunherald.com/2010/05/07/2165420/cofferdam-f ...

be sure to read the words in this link.. “in a safe location while we evaluate options,”

[SidDithers]

78. The options they're evaluating...

are different ways to try to keep hydrates from forming.

If you think they've given up, and are abandoning the idea of the dome to capture leaking oil, you're the one with comprehension problems.

Suttles also said "I wouldn't say it's failed yet,"

Sit

[steve2470]

69. Oil catcher dome hits snag near leak site: BP exec

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6471YL20100508?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

(Reuters) - BP Plc hit a snag in its efforts to lower a giant containment dome to trap oil from a blown-out Gulf of Mexico oil well on the sea floor that could take two days to troubleshoot, a BP executive said on Saturday.


BP engineers encountered flammable hydrate formations while lowering the four-story structure onto the leak, said Doug Suttles, the company's chief operating officer.

"I wouldn't say it's failed yet," Suttles said.

<end of article>

[flyarm]

70. thanks..read my post just above yours..I have it posted there as well!! more info there, #67 .

[SidDithers]

72. Hope they can work out the snags...

thanks for posting the update.

Sid

[flyarm]

81. there are no SNAGS,..they moved it from the main leak ..because it wouldn't work..they moved it ok??

can you read the ariticles.....

there are no snags..it FAILED!! as many many experts predicted it would!

THE DOME FAILED..READ THAT SLOWLY IF YOU MUST.. the dome failed!

As many of us warned it would because we have heard it over and over on our local news that the probability was... it would fail..but you are not getting that on the cable news networks..that is why many of us were making the warnings..cabeash?????????

IT FAILED!!!!

Cofferdam fails, BP looking for solutions
By DONNA MELTON - [e-mail]

The cofferdam BP had hoped would cap the leaking well in the Gulf now sits beside the flow of oil as experts scramble to find a way to stop ice crystals from forming inside the 125-ton box.

BP Chief Operating Officer Doug Suttles said today the cofferdam was removed from the leak and placed 600 feet away from the leak source “in a safe location while we evaluate options,” Suttles said.

The hydrates, which make the cofferdam buoyant, resemble slush and in large quantities also prevents oil from being funneled through the dome to the surface, Suttles said.
The containment vessel is lowered into the Gulf of Mexico at the site of the Deepwater Horizon rig collapse, Thursday, May 6, 2010. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)

http://www.sunherald.com/2010/05/07/2165420/cofferdam-f ...

be sure to read the words in this link.. “in a safe location while we evaluate options,”

[SidDithers]

85. Point to where BP has abandoned the idea of the dome...

it hasn't failed until they stop trying to make it work.

Sid

[flyarm]

88. they moved it off the well!! ..600 ft off the leak!!!!!!!!!!!! go read it! eom

[flyarm]

89. GO READ MERH"S THREAD ..and read the comments..

I wont reply to you again..you obviously don't want to read ..or know the truth!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8296977#8297009

[SidDithers]

91. You're dead fucking wrong...

it hasn't failed until they stop trying to make it work.

They've moved it off the well, and will move it back when they've got a way to stop the formation of hydrates.

Sid

[flyarm]

93. whatever.........

seems the B people were wrong too..and our government was wrong as well for allowing the drilling this deep in the Gulf..and it seems the regulators were wrong..as they didn't do their damn jobs..and it seems Dashle and Panetta and Whitman were wrong for taking money from the whores and criminals of BP and it seems even Obama was wrong taking money from these pigs..( the most amount of money I mught add) and we all know and knew the repigs were wrong..

so now you think I am dead wrong..whatever..........lol..you got me laughing my ass off now!


:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :shrug: :nuke: :nuke: :wow: :wow: :wow: :puffpiece: :puffpiece: :puffpiece: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[SidDithers]

94. Thought you were done replying to me...

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0817889720100508

The dome is now resting on the ocean floor about 200 metres (660 ft) from the leak source, and it could take 48 hours or more to find a workaround, Suttles said.

Those could include using hot water to heat up the hydrates at the ocean floor, or using hydrocarbons like methanol to thin them out, Suttles said.

Here, I've got a smilie for you too:



Sid

[ShortnFiery]

73. Dare I say that the mere notion that this contraption would work was *a pipe dream* from

the onset.

Remember that the Coast Guard Officials claimed that it will take at least three months to cap.

However, two days later "the powers that be" came through with this FANTASY.

Don't hold your breath for this to "do the trick" because there's no one trick that's going to cap this geyser. Only the hard task of drilling a competing hole and harnessing that monster. HOPEFULLY. :(

[flyarm]

80. yes as they were saying on our local Tv Broadcasts on the Gulf in Fla..hence we were giving warnings

here..many experts on our local news were basiically calling it a placebo..but some here at DU want to believe in Pipe dreams and fantasy.. it seems..and ignore reality.

Boy would I like to sell some of them Tooth fairy pillows!!

Or globs of Oil and tell them it is the black gold they have always wanted!!

WOW..gullible isn't the word for it!!

and these suckers have the nerve to call others liars or names...

I become more amazed every day at DU anymore!

Blind obedience seems to be the meme here now!!

Thanks ShortnFiery..for always being a truth teller..seems there are fewer and fewer these days!

[merh]

74. The dome failed.

:(

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8296977

[ShortnFiery]

76. We should not be deep sea drilling at all. There's not enough knowledge as to how to

harness the geysers under THAT MUCH SEA WATER.

WORLDWIDE EPIC FAIL on the oil cartels' part as well as the paid-off and gutless politicians who believed their lies.

[NotThisTime]

82. I just want to know WHY they honestly thought this could never happen and never planned for it

Seriously, how do you do something this serious and A. not think this event will ever happen and B. not at least have some idea how to stop it if it does happen AT THIS DEPTH....

I don't know who in their right mind would do this just hoping the rig would never collapse.... that's the epic fail and it just cascades from there.

[flyarm]

86. It's called " Greasing pockets" by people who want to own all the power..and it isn't one party over

the other..there are no two parties..that is a grand illusion..there is one party with one big money pot..and you are not invited to their party!

There have been every kind of warnings that this could happen..every candidate that comes into Fla is questioned of their stance on this..the dems pandered to the environ people..and primised no drilling..or they could not get dem votes..and Yes Obama promised in Fla no new drilling..but then went back against his own promises.

How does this work for you..remember Dashle who pushed Obama during our primaries..working with Whitman..the lady who lied about the air quality at Ground zero in NY?? Can i tickle your memory..she lied and people died and keep dying!! And that is just one example..

and these bastards were advisors making $120,000....from BP and now we face the death of the Gulf Of Mexico..and the possibilitty of the oil going up the Atlantic Ocean from the Florida Keys to Maine............oh and guess it is a coinsidence that BP wasn't audited last year??????? Oh and Obama got the most $$$ from BP..but they all got their damn pockets greased..both parties..( 2 parties my ass!)


Spill, Baby, Spill
By Michael Isikoff, Ian Yarett and Matthew Philips | NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated May 10, 2010

BP has been trying hard to burnish its public image in recent years after being hit with a pair of environmental disasters, including a fatal refinery explosion in Texas and a pipeline leak in Alaska. One major step was to announce, in 2007, that it had hired a high-powered advisory board that included former EPA director Christine Todd Whitman, former Senate majority leader Tom Daschle, and Leon Panetta, who were each paid $120,000 a year. (Panetta left when he became President Obama's CIA director.) Two years ago the oil giant's chief executive, Robert Malone, flew board members out to the Gulf of Mexico on a helicopter to demonstrate the safeguards surrounding BP's advanced drilling technology. "We got a sense they were really committed to ensuring they got it right," Whitman told NEWSWEEK.

Now BP, formerly known as British Petroleum, finds itself blamed for what could prove to be the worst oil spill in U.S. history. And only weeks after Obama announced an ambitious plan to open up more U.S. offshore waters to oil drilling, shunting aside environmental concerns from his own Democratic Party, his administration is facing a comeuppance from hell. "There was a lot of wishful thinking, I guess," says Villy Kourafalou, a scientist at the University of Miami's Rosensteil School of Marine and Atmospheric Science. "The new technologies were said to be so wonderful that we'd never have an oil spill again." Rep. Frank Pallone (D-N.J.), who had sought to block the expanded drilling, says the oil and gas industry was pushing this idea hard. "They said, 'We'll never have a repeat of Santa Barbara,'?" referring to the 1969 rig explosion off the California coast. Both the Bush and Obama administrations "were buying the line that the technology was fine," Pallone adds.

BP pressed hard to make that point in D.C. Its PR efforts included payments of $16 million last year to a battery of Washington lobbyists, among them the firm of Tony Podesta, the brother of former Obama transition chief John Podesta. Last fall, after the U.S. Interior Department proposed tighter federal regulation of oil companies' environmental programs, David Rainey, BP's vice president for Gulf of Mexico exploration, told Congress that the proposal was unnecessary. "I think we need to remember," he said, that offshore drilling "has been going on for the last 50 years, and it has been going on in a way that is both safe and protective of the environment."

Read the full article at:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/237298

[Greyhound]

77. Yes it is. n/t

[ShortnFiery]

79. + Mother Nature gives the arrogant excuses for humanity this PROFANE sign ====>

Mother Nature asserts her absolute authority.

The moral of this tragedy: Don't drill oil geysers that you can NOT cap quickly. :eyes:

[SidDithers]

83. The reality of this situation is that there already is a gusher of oil on the ocean floor...

Preventing all future offshore drilling - not a bad idea at all IMO, still wont stop the oil from flowing out of this blown wellhead.

The cheerleading that an effort to contain the spill has run into problems is fucking disgusting.

Sid

[ShortnFiery]

95. I'm not cheerleading, only reporting the FACT that the Coast Guard said from the onset: NO quick fix

If you choose to believe in BP fantasy tales, that's your decision.

NONE of what they say about this contraption is going to pan out ... we were told this before, yet we must believe in Divine Intervention?

Sorry, I believe God helps those who help themselves.

[Greyhound]

84. I agree. But if this works, we've dodged a bullet and it is up to us to ensure

that it cannot happen again.

[flyarm]

87. it didn't work..it failed..and has been moved off of the well! IT FAILED!!!!!!!!!!!!

go read Merh's thread and make sure to read all the comments.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8296977#8297009

[Gin]

90. I was thinking that if this thing was in place and worked ...the

pipe would be connected to the top like a chimney....putting it in the side 5000 feet down seems impossible....if it even gets put back over the gusher for a second try.

It's all so sad for earth and all of us. Hope the gov in VA is watching...he keeps repeating he is in favor of offshore drilling.

[flyarm]

92. the water is so cold there were ice crystals forming..this has never been done at this depth and

most experts said they didn't think it had a chance of working.

it is the depth many airline planes fly at ..only down instead of up..and under the water with sand ........and now ice crystals.

[merh]

97. Sid

A professor from University of Southern Mississippi who has been studying methane for over 10 years was on the local news and said that methane hydrate crystals take 4 things to form, pressure, the methane, the water and the cold temperature. He said to defeat them you change the formula. He said pumping warm sea water or steam into the dome would change the temperature and not
allow them to form.

http://www.wlox.com/Global/story.asp?S=12451357

The professor said he believes that is something that the BP folks will try.

There is still a chance the dome will work after all.

[SidDithers]

98. Thank you for the civil discussion, merh...

I admit I got too emotional with the other poster upthread, but my point remains the same. The dome has not failed....yet. They've suffered a setback, but are working on a way to overcome the problem. They'll apply their prospective solution to the problem when they try again.

Thanks for the update.

Sid

[merh]

99. I do understand the frustration

believe me, I do understand and I want that dome to work. They have to stop those leaks. I was so hoping the dome would work from the get go and I am quite relieved to know that there is something that can be done to melt or do away with those crystals. Like the professor said, it won't be easy but it can be managed.

Thank you for keeping up with this and for caring about it.

m.