If God spoke to humans...

[kentuck]

"I gave you a lush, green earth with fruit when you hungered - with clear water to drink - with enough fish to feed the world. And what did you do with it?

You took your bulldozers and cut away the most beautiful mountaintops, in search of coal and energy. You cut holes in the mountain sides and made roads up to them and pushed the most wonderful trees and shrubs over the hillside.

And you took the oil and gasoline from underneath our lush earth to feed your automobiles and airplanes. Your smoke and fumes blocked the natural sunlight that was set on a timer. The glaciers started melting. First will come your floods and then will come your hot, dry deserts, just as it has with all those civilizations before you. And you thought you were so special??

And you went out into the clear waters to look for this gas and oil. And you kept drilling deeper and deeper into the body on which we all live and breathe. And you started taking out the lifeblood of our planet, the precious oil. Until one day, you went too far. The needle and the damage done.

Like a volcano, the oil gushed from the earth into the clear waters. There was nothing no one could do. The fish that could feed the hungry people were killed by the murky dark waters. That's two strikes mother fuckers! One more and you are out."

[GoneOffShore]

1. Which god?

No need to posit one when none exists.

Just look at the natural world and ask those questions as a human.

[Chulanowa]

2. Because it only matters if dad will spank you when he gets home

I mean, duh.

[kentuck]

4. Interesting point..

But then, it would be a different post. It's just difficult for how some of the more simple-minded could visualize a human creating oil under the ocean with the lush green earth above and the clear waters. Somehow, humans just can't do it justice...

[DailyGrind51]

22. That's your opinion, leave the poster the right to his or hers!

[msongs]

3. umm it's ALL god's will so god is to blame. typical god, blame others for his/her choices lol nt

[kentuck]

5. You said that.

Not anyone else.

[Juche]

6. He should've explained germ theory to us

That really, really could've helped us out. If Jesus, Mohammed, Abraham, Zarathusa, Krishna were all talking to God on a 2 way radio, you'd assume he would've bothered to explain basic sanitation and hygiene to them.

"Psssst, hey. You guys want to save a few billion lives? Wash your hands after you go to the bathroom"

But no. Nothing we can use. No agricultural information. No info on germ theory. No info on metallurgy. Just tons of contradictory 'do as I say' parables.

[kentuck]

7. So that is where your old "free will" doctrine comes from ?

Because the humans were so simple, and could not grasp anything but the reality of their times, God probably knew it would be a waste of time to tell the mighty humans anything at all. They would only laugh at him? After all, they were creatures that could only be taught by experience, not thru the spoken or written word? Some would never learn the lesson and would be doomed.

[Juche]

19. I don't agree

If I was omnipotent and had 2 way communication with historical humans, I would've explained basic medicine, science and agriculture to them. It would've dramatically changed the course of human events.

[jberryhill]

27. Or, better yet, don't create the pathogens in the first place

Why would God "warn" us to stay away from the lovingly created E Coli bacteria?

[skeptical cynic]

8. God has been speaking to humans...

...through George Carlin.

[gateley]

16. Don't tell that to the C Street residents. nt

[vixengrl]

9. I wish people didn't need an external source to put it all together--

We are organisms that evolved on exactly one planet, which by definition meets our requirements for living. However, we evolved under only a certain set of global circumstances, in an ecological niche suitable to our adaptation, and while we can continue to adapt to a changing environment via technology--we can't modify our physical selves in such a way as to remain impervious to the radical changes we are wreaking on our environment. Natural selection is generally adequate for producing biological "winners", but if we are interested in our own species' survival, we need to recognize that the planet could do without our asses. We would be ceding territory to rats and cockroaches if we continue on our present course.

If we want mankind to survive, we need to adapt via our behaviors. We need to act like a successful species, not like a caged animal with no choice but to shit where it eats. We need to think locally. and act with the globe in mind. We need to learn from our history when it comes to disasters like this Gulf gusher. And we need to get real about what our real resources are--solar. Wind. Geothermal. Better building techniques. We have these massive brains as a courtesy of the survival routines we needed to survive the Ice Age--we might as well use this inheritance to survive our man-made catastrophe right now.

[kentuck]

11. Well said !

I think you should make this an individual post on its own.

[pundaint]

13. We can't, there's no profit in it, and we are evolving into corporations now. People? They don't

matter, even to them.

[Newest Reality]

10. And ....

"Strange! that you should not have suspected years ago--centuries, ages, eons, ago!--for you have existed, companionless, through all the eternities.

Strange, indeed, that you should not have suspected that your universe and its contents were only dreams, visions, fiction!

Strange, because they are so frankly and hysterically insane--like all dreams: a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice and invented hell--mouths mercy and invented hell--mouths Golden Rules, and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him!"
— Mark Twain

My version inspired by MT:

And God finished creating the Universe and thought, "Well, that's nice but I'm a lone." Being so incredibly smart beyond anything imaginable, He though of creating someone else. Being so infinite and vast, not just one someone, but a whole bunch of them. They would be able to think, know, do, and create too, he thought.

So, he created human beings in his image. Being all loving and good and kind and such, he would create them just to experience all he had created. Since he really liked what he had already made and declared it good, he figured, "Hey, why not make it even better? I have no limits and can do anything I want to, so I've got a great idea" He thundered.

He made humans to simply enjoy everything in his creation in as many creative ways that were infinitely possible. Everything they did and encountered would be met with joy, awe, surprise, and what would someday be called a "rush". Now, he thought they might get a little bored with that after a while, so he decided to create a challenge, since there was going to be no downside to this and they would not need to compare their utter and endless happiness with a contrast or absence, he made and endless series of levels of bliss they could climb. Being God, that spiraling stairway of wonder could go on forever, step by step. Since God felt blissful all the time and needed nothing for Himself, he figured He would stay true to form with his most impressive and complex of creations.

So, God made tow of the most perfect humans without sin or disease or death, and started with a male and a female, but he figured they might come up with other combination of sexes and different ways to play with sexuality. Then, he placed them on a perfect sphere of natural beauty that was brimming with amazing animals and all kinds of places and things to discover and explore, (since He could never run out of new ides). He sprinkled interesting things to find like mushrooms and plants that would enhance their senses and thinking and make the beauty and communion even more intense and He would enjoy their experience and enjoyment as it unfolded.

Then, just like He planned, (being so perfect and never making mistakes) he created a wonderful system of games and puzzles and artifacts that they could seek and combine to graduate from level to level, upward and onward in an infinite Universe of stunning and fulfilling possibilities forever and ever, Amen.

And God looked upon what he had made and said, "COOL! I think I will give that a try myself. I really LOVE these creatures and I bet they will LOVE me, too. That looks like fun. Good thing I didn't do that Garden idea and all those ridiculous, nasty rules."

[kentuck]

14. That dang old Mark Twain !

He always knew what to say. :-)

[truedelphi]

21. Thank you for posting this.

MT offers a lot of inspiration to the rest of us mere mortals.

[yowzayowzayowza]

12. Sorry, Gawd beat us to this phukup too:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/04/100426-asphalt-volcanoes-domes-california-underwater/

[Bryn]

15. People who've had near death experiences ...

I started reading their stories from this site www.nderf.org out of curiosity and also some books while ago.

I find it interesting that so many of them (approx. 95% of them) came back with messages from The Other Side that it is very important to take care of Earth as well as animals. That Earth is our school, for us to have life experiences, to help others, to love more. They also say beauty out there is nothing compared to here and that they no longer find money important. That for them, it is a life changing experience, they can not be same, but change for better. It doesn't matter what religion or lack of it.

Let's say if their experiences were real then can you imagine how humans have destroyed Earth out of greed, hunger for money?

[gateley]

17. I remember hearing Kimberly Sharp Clark telling a story about discussing an

NDE with an atheist. The report is as you say -- take care of the earth and take care of each other. Love. No mention of God or Jesus, so KSC kept prodding her (because she was a Christian and was hoping the experience had changed the atheist). Really? You didn't learn ANYTHING else? And the experiencer said "Well, yes. I learned it doesn't matter if the dishes are in the sink if somebody comes to visit." Like the others, she learned what really matters, and what doesn't.

Regardless of whether their experiences are real (and I happen to believe they are), the lessons they learned are lessons I wish we all could learn without flatlining.

It's always about the money. It breaks my heart. I think most of us will come to that realization on our death beds, by then it'll be too late. Can you imagine the remorse and regret?

[Bryn]

18. That story is very similar to what I read ...

One guy who had NDE said that God's love is unconditional ... pure and true and that one didn't have to accept Jesus in order to enter heaven. God never meant it that way. Others have said that messages they got weren't same as taught in churches or Sunday School (maybe few of them like to help each other, love, etc.) Churches today are too involved in politics, tell people to give money or they'll go to hell or they tell you to give money to get more back like give $100, get $1,000 back. Another NDE guy said that he was told that those preachers who did that were wrong.

I do believe their experiences are true because they make so much more sense to me.

I really like this book by David L. Oakford called "Journey ... Through The World of Spirit God, Gaia, and Guardian Angels". He wrote about his NDE he had many years ago that he never forgot. Again messages he got were strongly stressed on how important it was to respect Earth.

It's a shame that so many Christians that I know don't understand this. They think it's okay to destroy the earth since end is near anyway. They are even excited whenever something bad happens (like earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.) Ann Coulter once said "God gave us the right to rape the earth". They got it wrong, wrong, wrong. We have moral obligations to do what's right...join organizations that fight to protect earth, nature, forest, wildlife, etc.

I am horrified about this gushing oil.

[gateley]

20. I think we're PART of the earth's eco system. Might as well just pour that oil

down all our throats.

[BeFree]

25. Souls? Soles?

Are we one, or are we all that is?

Separate, or enjoined?

What are we, and wtf are we doing here?

We got a lot of smart non-believers here, surely they have all the answers?

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Thanks for these posts, yall, just what i needed this morning.

[rucky]

28. Meanwhile, I'm listening to a Joel Osteen tape in my in-laws' car...

about how Joel prayed for a good parking spot at the mall, and got one!

[Motown_Johnny]

23. There was nothing no one could do.

God's grammar sucks

[hobbit709]

24. It would say "It's YOYO time. Now STFU and quit bothering me"

[jberryhill]

26. Hey, God, Why Did You Put The Oil There?

What a messed up deity you are. You put gobs of coal and oil where it is hard to get at, knowing full well that we'd try to get it.

You need a basic parenting course where they'd teach you to lock up hazardous substances where the kids can't get at it.

And, btw, would you mind holding off on the earthquakes, volcanoes, hurricanes and diseases for a while? Thanks a bunch.