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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 10:49 AM
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Will oil reach Loop Current? read this and hold your breath


http://www.marconews.com/news/2010/may/07/weekend-research-may-help-show-if-when-oil-spill-m/


The technological eyes keeping track of the oil slick that has been sloshing around the northern Gulf of Mexico might not be 20/20, scientists say.

The ooze has washed onto a chain of islands off Louisiana and has come perilously close to getting caught up in the mighty Loop Current that could carry the mess southward, some 200 miles offshore of Naples, before skirting the Florida Keys and pushing up the East Coast.

But scientists say they are worried that disaster also could be spreading below the Gulf surface and out of the view of spill trackers.

“We don’t know whether there is a big subsurface plume lying out there waiting to get entrained (in the Loop Current),” University of Miami oceanographer Nick Shay said. “That’s a big question. We just don’t know.”

-snip-

A NOAA Hurricane Hunter aircraft, which usually flies into the monster storms to collect data, is scheduled today to drop temperature probes into the slick to see whether it has found its way into warm eddies that swirl off the Loop Current.

The exploratory flyovers from MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa could be a run-up to further Hurricane Hunter flights that would drop more elaborate probes into the slick to draw a sort of subsurface oil map, said Shay, who is setting up the flights.

Another NOAA turbo-prop plane from Mobile, Ala., will fly over the spill to provide information about the thickness and density of the oil at the surface.

-snip-

For example, the Loop Current runs as deep as 3,000 feet and would carry deeper oil more slowly than at the surface, oceanographers say.

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If the oil is deep enough, it could encounter a sort of speed bump along the Loop Current. As the current emerges from the Gulf and makes a turn into the Florida Straits, it moves over a sill that is shallower than the Gulf. Oil deeper than the sill might have a hard time getting over the hump, Ortner said.

“It could be there for years at great depth,” he said.

There’s plenty to worry about back at the surface, too.

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The Loop Current isn’t completely predictable though, shaking off eddies and growing tendrils, University of South Florida oceanographer Robert Weisberg said.

“The oil doesn’t have to go to the Loop Current, the Loop Current can go to the oil,” Weisberg said.

That appeared to be exactly what happened earlier this week when an arm of the Loop Current came within about 20 miles of the spill but missed grabbing hold, he said.

On Friday, another spill watcher reported that a water-oil mixture is caught up in a clockwise eddy between Louisiana and the Loop Current.

That action is pulling the spill to the southwest and out of the Loop Current, according to Roffer’s Ocean Fishing Forecasting Service, in Melbourne.

But, according to Roffer’s analysis, an eddy on the northwestern side of the Loop Current is moving north and could pull the slick toward the current.

-snip-

“If we have a hurricane, all bets are off,” Weisberg said.

-snip-

Besides the continental shelf, Southwest Florida has a sort of double insurance policy some call the Forbidden Zone.

It was discovered in the late 1990s as part of a study funded by the U.S. Minerals Management Service to assess the risk of an oil spill in the Gulf.

Scientists dropped more than 340 drifters into nearshore waters and tracked them for a year to see where they would go.

The drifters went all over the place, but they didn’t venture into an area offshore of Southwest Florida.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:21 AM
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1. I'm amazed DUers are not responding much to this article

??
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 04:08 PM
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22. we have nothing to say, the gulf is fucked, that is all
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Dr Morbius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:22 AM
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2. I've been holding my breath since this began two weeks ago.
I'm really going to need to breathe soon. I harbor hope for this containment bell.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:25 AM
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4. Yes, but it won't bring back what's already been leaked.
And I'm not all that hopeful in something which BP says is going to work since this has never been tested. They've not been doing so hot in the honesty and integrity department.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:57 AM
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12. BP is putting on a good front, they don't want to be forced to close
down this rig, they don't want to lose this lease. They will continue to put on the front until they get this contained, then they will fuck the environment and the citizens.

Look at their track record. In 2005 the Texas Oil Refinery explosion killed 15 workers and injured more than 170 others. They are still litigating that tragedy and during the course of the litigation the public has learned that BP knew it was poisoning the air and the environment.

I can smell the oil and the slick is still miles offshore.

We have no idea what the environmental impact of the chemicals they are using to break up the oil slick will be on the waterways, the marshes and the marine life and water fowls. They are being allowed to use it because "if we don't see the oil it can't hurt us" mentality.

And as others have pointed out, we have no idea as to how much is below the surface.

The Obama Administration screwed up, they gave BP that "categorical exclusion" to commence drilling with Deepwater Horizon despite the fact that it failed to produce the federally mandated impact study and they didn't require one of the most trustworthy (and expensive) shut off valves. They let them cut corners, there was a rush to begin this drilling and look where that got us.

The administration has to admit its failings and has to make every effort to not let those failings continue through this process. Unfortunately, they are screwing up. The Coast Guard has several containment vessels that have not been used in the Gulf, they are just now being sent to the area. 2 weeks too late in my book (and not sure how long they will take to get here).



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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 12:09 PM
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14. Where are you? You can actually smell it?
:-(
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 01:21 PM
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16. MS Gulf Coast
Yes, you can smell it. Especially when the humidity is high and the air is still or the winds are gently blowing in from the south.

:(
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 01:55 PM
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17. Let us know how it goes. I've never been to the MS Gulf coast--
there are barrier islands, no?
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 03:49 PM
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20. Yes, gorgeous barrier islands.
Ship Island




Cat Island




Horn Island



Deer Island



Petit Bois Island



Round Island






http://www.dmr.state.ms.us/Coastal-Ecology/GEMS/GEMS-properties.htm
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 04:05 PM
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21. They're beautiful!
Thanks for taking the time to post those pics!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 07:08 PM
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24. aren't they.
*sigh*

our barrier islands are not inhabited. A few may have ranger cabins, but for the most part they are left wild, they are maintained so the wildlife can flourish, to protect our ecosystem.


Alabama's barrier island, Dauphin Island, is now reporting tar balls washing ashore. Dauphin Island is inhabited.

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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 07:47 PM
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27. I don't know what to say.
I'm so angry and frustrated that I don't know what to say.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 04:09 PM
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23. petit bois, means little woods
so it is the island of the little woods
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:23 AM
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3. As a Floridian I'm really holding my breath about hurricane season.
Have a bad feeling that it's going to drudge up some nasty shit on our shores. :(
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:26 AM
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5. K&R...n/t
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:31 AM
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6. biggest disaster of my lifetime..possibilities for destruction unfathomable
yet one of the solutions was to dump more toxic chemicals into water they've already screwed up..or SET IT ON FIRE...we're fucking doomed...
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:31 AM
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7. underwater effects:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:35 AM
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8. This is the first time I saw this thread and it's very scary
The fact that there will be, not that there may be, hidden factors that could surface many years from now to create more doom is quite fearful. It also sounds like it's only luck that keeps this spewing oil from being worse right now. There are factors in this crisis that will inevitably lead to more destruction in time. It's as if BP opened the Pandora's box of ecological disaster. We have no idea what's going to happen, but it will be very bad. We tinker with Nature as if we are its master and that's never true.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:37 AM
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9. Temperature
The oil coming up from 5,000 feet deep is cooler than the surface water.
Most of the oil will never reach the surface. It is emulsified (mixed with water) and may never be seen by human eyes.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:40 AM
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10. I live on Clearwater Beach..our locals have been saying we may be spared..but nothing will spare us
if we get a hurricane..in Aug-Nov..yes we have the continental Shelf that may..may.. spare us..but the fish and birds and wildlife will not be so lucky..and the fish and birds could bring in trouble with contamination..for our waters nonetheless..

But these are all guesses..nothing is SURE..and it won't save Key West or the Gulf Stream that will carry this shit all the way up to Maine!
And all the lies and lies and lies these bastards have told so far..I don't believe a fucking thing any of them says!

Local fishermen have been on our Local TAMPA news and have said the grouper swim 600 ft down in the water and that the Oil has first migrated to the bottom where the fish live and swim..they said the Grouper may be destroyed for a very long time..I will believe the fishermen first before any of the BP and our government liars and bastards!
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:46 AM
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11. There is another greatest article that says it has hit it. nt
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 11:57 AM
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13. It could go around the world and land on the beaches in San Diego...
We really don't know.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 01:18 PM
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15. If this wasn't enough,
the Hurricane experts are predicting a very active season, due to changes in El Nino. We are so screwn!
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 02:15 PM
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18. Here is my post from Friday. Article says it HAS reached the Loop Current.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 03:27 PM
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19. what does this mean > drifters?
Scientists dropped more than 340 drifters into nearshore waters and tracked them for a year to see where they would go.

The drifters went all over the place, but they didn’t venture into an area offshore of Southwest Florida.
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-10 09:43 PM
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25. Some kind of floats that drift with the current to mark it's course I would guess??
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 09:59 AM
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26. kicking back to pg. 1
nt
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