Now we all should be mad.

[zeemike]

I know that this is mother's day and I should be posting something nice to the woman of this world who really deserve it

But watching Joe Lieberman on the tube this AM just pissed me off and I feel the need to rant...and this is what I would like to say to him.
Joe you arrogant bastard you or no other person or institution or president himself does not have the right to take away ANYONE'S citizenship. And your suggestion that we do start that ship you have violated the very principle of our constitution and have impeached yourself as far as I am concerned....I owe you no respect at all.

When citizenship is granted it is forever....do you get that concept?...It is permanent and the only one in the whole world that can revoke it is the one that owns it.....So STFU you piece of shit.
There, Now if feel better.

And what I would say to my liberal friends is that this should be a bright line in the sand to all of us....should they seriously try to do something like that we MUST stand up and say no...because once they have mined under the walls they collapse and the way is open for the rule of power.

[slackmaster]

1. We already knew that Lieberman is an ass. Turn off your TV.

Go call your mom if you can.

[tjwash]

2. Good, we will start with Joe...

Funny how this is all coming from a politician with questionable loyalty to the USA. Or at least split loyalty, which is the same thing.

[Cassandra]

4. Not so much split loyalty as...

believing that whatever Likud wants is good for Israel and the US.

[movonne]

7. I have come to believe that joe finds Israel is his number one

country...and we are a means of keeping Israel safe...

[Cassandra]

3. A naturalized citizen's citizenship can be revoked...

but only after conviction or other proof that they lied on their application about a serious crime. I'm not sure if it applies to crimes committed elsewhere before they got here, or here as well.

[zeemike]

5. And that is to the point.

That only after they are given the same treatment under the law that we all enjoy...and that is what they want to take away.

[Synicus Maximus]

6. Actually US citizenship can currently be revolked

http://www.richw.org/dualcit/law.html#LossCit



Loss of citizenship (INA § 349, 8 USC § 1481)
Section 349 of the INA <8 USC § 1481> specifies several conditions under which US citizenship may be lost. These include:

* becoming a naturalized citizen of another country, or declaring allegiance to another country, after reaching age 18;

* serving as an officer in a foreign country's military service, or serving in the armed forces of a country which is engaged in hostilities against the US;

* working for a foreign government (e.g., in political office or as a civil servant);

* formally renouncing one's US citizenship before duly authorized US officials; or

* committing treason against, or attempting or conspiring to overthrow the government of, the US.

The primary effect of recent developments in the US regarding dual citizenship has been to add the requirement that loss of citizenship can only result when the person in question intended to give up his citizenship. At one time, the mere performance of the above (or certain other) acts was enough to cause loss of US citizenship; however, the Supreme Court overturned this concept in the Afroyim and Terrazas cases, and Congress amended the law in 1986 to require that loss of citizenship would result only when a potentially "expatriating" (citizenship-losing) action was performed voluntarily and "with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality".

On 16 April 1990, the State Department adopted a new policy on dual citizenship, under which US citizens who perform one of the potentially expatriating acts listed above are normally presumed not to have done so with intent to give up US citizenship. Thus, the overwhelming majority of loss-of-citizenship cases nowadays will involve people who have explicitly indicated to US consular officials that they want to give up their US citizenship.

[zeemike]

8. Thanks for that.

But they want the citizenship taken away so that they will not have to give them the rights under law.
Then they can say you are no longer a citizen so we can treat you any way we want and you have no recourse and no protections under our law.
At least that is how Joe meant it to work.