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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:26 PM
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Saul on Ice



“Right now they're frozen, festering in apathy, leading what Thoreau called 'lives of quiet desperation.' They're oppressed by taxation and inflation, poisoned by pollution, terrorized by urban crime, frightened by the new youth culture, baffled by the computerized world around them. They've worked all their lives to get their own little house in the suburbs, their color TV, their two cars, and now the good life seems to have turned to ashes in their mouths. Their personal lives are generally unfulfilling, their jobs unsatisfying, they've succumbed to tranquilizers and pep pills, they drown their anxieties in alcohol, they feel trapped in long-term endurance marriages or escape into guilt-ridden divorces. They're losing their kids and they're losing their dreams. They're alienated, depersonalized, without any feeling of participation in the political process, and they feel rejected and hopeless.... All their old values seem to have deserted them, leaving them rudderless in a sea of social chaos. Believe me, this is good organizational material.”
--Saul Alinsky; 1968

I joined DU on December 29, 2003. It was a day that stood out for me for several reasons. Among them, Patrick Fitzgerald had been assigned to head the investigation of the “Plame Scandal,” and a web site known as Truth Out had featured a solid article by Will Pitt about the Bush administration's exposure of the CIA agent who's husband had called them out on their “yellow cake” lies.

One of my associates had brought this forum to my attention, assuring me that it was read by a wide variety of “non-members,” including a few decent journalists. It seemed a good place to advance some of the truths about the Plame scandal that the “mainstream” media either would not, or could not, report upon. Thus, in the first couple of years that I participated in discussions here, DU's old-timers may recall that my primary focus was on what informally became known as the “Plame Threads.” In my opinion, that series of threads was as good as anything on this or any other internet forum. There was information put forward in them that was reported several years later in the mainstream media, although the Plame Threads would be best verified by the public release of court documents that the media only dared to hint at.

In those days, I came to see that the loose-knit DU community included many, many talented and insightful people who were active participants in a wide-range of discussions. More, many people here were experienced in the art of “community organizing.” This forum had a wide range of people from the progressive- and liberal left, including a significant number who were representative of grass roots activists to the left of the Democratic Party. And, although I've never felt that the forum harnessed its full potential for serious grass roots organizing and coordinating efforts, there have been a number of examples of where it has served as a solid resource.

Since the 2008 elections, on a national level, the progressive-liberal wing of the Democratic Party has found that many – if not most – of those same politicians that welcomed our donations and votes during the campaign season, have failed to follow through on promises to work to advance anything that even remotely resembles a progressive-liberal value. Certainly, we could all agree that it would take years of hard work to repair the severe damage done by the Bush-Cheney administration. But, 18 months after those historic elections, that hard work remains untouched.

In those same 18 months, a form of social rabies known as the “Tea Bag Party” has become relatively organized, although its irrational thought patterns rely upon the mainstream media to provide it structure. Politicians and pundits frequently equate the Tea Bag Party with what they incorrectly and dishonestly call “the Far Left.” More, without question, the majority of those corporate puppet politicians pay far, far more attention to the rabid right, than to the progressive-liberal left.

So long as we invest our energies by merely expressing anger and frustration on an internet forum, we will not effect any meaningful change. Instead, we will live lives of “loud” but meaningless desperation. And that's a pity.

If one does not believe that the progressive-liberal left has the potential to actually organize and effect change, take a few days to simply read an internet site called “Democratic Underground.” There are still many intelligent and capable grass roots activists here. The truth is, if there were not, the opposition would not invest the energy it does to disrupt those serious and meaningful discussions that do take place here. But they do, often successfully, and that's a shame.

I can't speak for anyone else – and I'd refuse to, even if somehow I could – but I will say that at the same time that I'm not participating actively on this forum to the extent that I once did (and would enjoy doing so again), I am busy on other grass-roots level community organizing. And I hope that others from the progressive-liberal left are, as well.

Peace and Justice,
H2O Man
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:29 PM
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1. thank you H2O
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:08 PM
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4. And thank you!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:34 PM
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2. Hey man, good to see yah
and I get exactly what you said.

My latest was to give 20 to the community clinics in the name of Keith's dad...

I know I have to get to more basic local stuff... just need to find the energy between family emergencies

And yes, I know excuses are like...

:hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:25 PM
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6. One of the good things
about community/grass roots organizing and activity is that it can allow individuals time to step back, and deal with family emergencies. No person can be active 24/7, for 52 weeks a year. It's important to live our lives, too.

At my age, of course, I probably require more "down time" than most! My time is best spent, I think, in advising the new generation of community organizers/activists on some of their options. Funny how the big cycle works.
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 07:34 PM
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3. Thanks for that. nt.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:29 PM
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7. Thank you! n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:23 PM
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5. You know the adage of putting one's hand in the bucket of water?
...It's from a poem:



There Is No Indispensable Man

Sometime when you're feeling important;
Sometime when your ego's in bloom
Sometime when you take it for granted
You're the best qualified in the room,

Sometime when you feel that your going
Would leave an unfillable hole,
Just follow these simple instructions
And see how they humble your soul;

Take a bucket and fill it with water,
Put your hand in it up to the wrist,
Pull it out and the hole that's remaining
Is a measure of how you will be missed.

You can splash all you wish when you enter,
You may stir up the water galore,
But stop and you'll find that in no time
It looks quite the same as before.

The moral of this quaint example
Is do just the best that you can,
Be proud of yourself but remember,
There's no indispensable man.

-- Saxon N. White Kessinger



The idea is that the bucket of water looks the same before as after -- that one's passing is of no real consequence. Well, that may sound good in Basic Training or for salesmen fighting over the Glengarry Glen Ross leads, but it isn't true in the real world, on so many levels, from the quantum to the personal to the cosmic. Consider (going from memory) Zen:

The pupil asked, "Master, how can I change the universe?"
The master lifted his finger.


People who think are different after reading one of your posts. Same goes a good number of DUers, including more than a few who've been banned over the years. What sets them apart is their readers become better informed. There are infinitely more changes, as well. Readers who try and figure them out for themselves know. For another thing, thanks to You, H20 Man, I am a better man.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:47 PM
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8. Thanks!
I surely do appreciate that.

Recently, some people approached me about a legal case from Texas (imagine that!), which appears to involve gross injustice. I've been becoming involved in that effort, doing research on the case history/trial transcripts. I'm hoping to help an individual out of a hole. It's the type of thing that isn't going to change a corrupt system, of course, but by lifting a finger, we can change a life.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:55 PM
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9. Texas?
Which part? If it's in the Panhandle I might know some people.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 05:17 AM
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12. I'll send some information.
At this point, I refer select cases to Rubin's group. We may need a "local" attorney to assist the fellow who appears unable to get any positive results.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 01:39 PM
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21. Love This Post
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:08 PM
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10. Do you mean we (DU) was trapped by tea party when we lost Will?
I am devastated by this
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 08:30 AM
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16. I can't comment
on any single instance, as it is in violation of the rules here, and would be reason to lock this thread. I am, however, making reference to a general tone that has become all too common on the internet, including DU -- which I still consider to be the most interesting web site, with the greatest potential for progressive-liberal grass roots activists.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 10:27 PM
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11. Wonderful post, H2O
But I expect nothing less from you.

:-)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 08:32 AM
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17. Thank you.
It's a simple message that I attempt to communicate here, every so often. Sometimes, my efforts are better -- likely when I quote someone far smarter than myself!
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 08:46 AM
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18. Engagement of grassroots can come from both sides
My state representatives recently held a joint phone Townhall meeting.
My Congressperson held one a few weeks later.

It was a great idea by them, reach out to constituents who might have difficulty going to a traditional town hall on a weekday and engage them in participatory democracy.

They are all progressive Democrats and, as a participant in both of these, I think they went quite well and I appreciate that extra effort by them in reaching out to us. It's an additional method I think more should consider.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 05:31 AM
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13. Must read
Thanks H2O Man. :fistbump:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 06:00 AM
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14. Words without deeds fall short.
I look at that organized madness that is the "tea party" backed by big dollars and have seen the damage done (recently to our school system here). I'm helping retake the school board locally (hopefully). But everything is coming at us fast and furious and every direction. I had a meeting last week with an environmental group to make sure no offshore drilling is ahead for our state's national seashore. I'm helping a campaign against the party insider for Senate. Now I'm having to take time out and write letters requesting a rejection of Elena Kagan. Without big money backing, this is a daunting task. I still have to try and make money for my family in an economy that hasn't fully recovered at the local level and feel stretched. I'm glad you are fighting the good fight.

Thanks for what you are doing to better lives.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 06:39 AM
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15. I have learned a lot by being part of DU and know
that the lessons learned here have made me more active in my community. I already was to an extent when I started posting here in 2005 but now I am more focused, more informed and most importantly for me - I feel part of a larger community of activists doing the same. I don't post here as often anymore... tending to lurk and read more than anything. But this is still my favorite place on the internet to get news, laughs and the inside scoop.

Glad you are doing well.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 08:48 AM
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19. bump
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 01:38 PM
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20. "a form of social rabies known as the “Tea Bag Party” ...Good One!
At a dinner last night I heard...."I'm fed up with all of them, they're all corrupt or megalomaniacs". The discussion happened to be about Bloomberg an d the changes he is trying to force on the city. Turns out that strong supporters of his feel like I do so I'm wondering how long NYers, not exactly known for their patience, put up with him before he gets his butt kicked, especially when info os being traded about his lies. AAA even did an article about his changes with the point being made that 'saying it doesn't make it so'.. I'd say the same about Christie in NJ. All politics is local, so they keep saying so it starts there.
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Beringia Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 02:18 PM
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22. pretty picture n/t
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