Why is BP permitted, still, to be in charge of stopping the leak?

[tekisui]

How many times do they get to fail and/or make the disaster worse?

Absolutely make BP pay for all of it. Stopping the leak, the clean-up and the future health problems.

But, for christ's sake, are they even capable of stopping it? Should they be allowed to be the people to stop the leak?

[havocmom]

1. but but but, they have such brilliant solutions

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8310446

We need to start sending golf balls and old tires to their corporate headquarters RIGHT NOW!!!1!!

[tabatha]

2. Because if someone else tries and fails

they can sue them.

[madmax]

3. Because

All of the Marx brothers and the Three Stooges are dead.

[DJ13]

4. Because business does things best

Come on, didnt you read about the economics wisdom of Ronald Reagan?

I know most everyone in DC believes it.

[brewens]

5. I was wondering if they could sort of reverse their containment

dome idea? Like putting the small end of a funnel into the opening then sealing that off.

[AllentownJake]

6. Because the solution takes 90 days or nuking the seabed

and the government is perfectly happy to let BP dance around pretending they are trying to stop it while the real solution is put into place.

Setting off a nuke on the seabed is not going to be a pleasant thing, and if the government takes over, that is what will happen, they'd rather let BP dance till the only other thing that will work is put into place.

[tekisui]

11. My worry is that their 'fixing' might make it worse.

[AllentownJake]

12. Probably

They are pretty desperate right now and it appears the government is incompetent.

[GreenStormCloud]

7. They have the equipment and the expertise, such as it is.

I suppose you could send in a bunch of amateurs who know nothing about the subject. It would likely make you feel good, as if you had punished BP, but things would get worse.

Where are you going to find the specialized engineers who know about deep sea drilling, except in the oil industry? Do you think a Renaissance Poety major, or a Native American Studies major is going to be able to do better?

[ShamelessHussy]

9. yeah, they are such experts that not only did they unleash a WMD, but they can't even make it stop

they definitely need to be on scene, contributing to the effort, but I certainly don't think they should be at the helm any longer.

[GreenStormCloud]

41. Who should be in charge?

I has to ber someone with real knowledge of deep-sea drilling. Outside of the oil industry, where will you find such a knowledgeable person?

[DireStrike]

56. From other companies most likely.

And industry veterans.

All final decisions should be made by someone other than BP, who doesn't have a financial interest in anything besides stopping the gusher ASAP.

[GreenStormCloud]

58. How will those contracts to other companies be made? No bid? N/T

[DireStrike]

59. Probably, that seems in vogue these days with our government. -nt-

[havocmom]

16. They are talking golf balls and old pieces of tires now, for gods sake

That's equipment and expertise?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/10/1622878/bps-next-plan-for-oil-spill-includes.html

[AllentownJake]

17. Yes BP appears to know what they are doing

:rofl:

Send your golf balls to the gulf to save the Dolphins...Let me know when the government is sending the nuke to the seabed.

[havocmom]

28. A poetry major may have pointed out the folly of creating the chance of making a mess you can't fix

being a poet, I feel pretty confident a poet would have been a help.

[GreenStormCloud]

42. So when are you going to the gulf to cap the well?

Do you think composing a sonnet will reduce the oil flow?

You are implying that they made the mess deliberately. Do you really think that?

[havocmom]

45. I am stating that businesses who only hear their own choir do not avert enough trouble

A sonnet, well placed and widely received might have inspired enough thinking outside the corporate box that someone might have asked the questions: What if it breaks? Do we have reliable solutions to the problems we may cause?

I am STATING, not implying that most industries do not think enough. They DO something because it can be done and will bring quick money. They IGNORE considering consequences and seems damned few even consider that they don't know it all.

Poetry can generally expand thinking. Are you implying that BIG OIL should go on thinking as they do?

[GreenStormCloud]

53. The OP was about fixing the problem, not about if the well should have been done.

So tell me how iambic pentameter is going to FIX the well.

My point was that the only place where you can find the people with the specialized knowledge and experience needed to stop it is in the oil industry.

[rhett o rick]

32. Without any kind of oversight they will make the situation worse. They already used tons

of toxic dispersant to get the oil off the surface. This will do untold additional damage. BP will make decision for their own best interest and not the environment or the public.

[GreenStormCloud]

43. Their best interest is to get the well controlled.

They are losing loads of money as that oil escaped. And it is a huge PR black eye.

[rhett o rick]

51. Of course. But they will do anything, including more damage to the environment to improve their

image and bottom line. They are spreading tons of toxic dispersant to get the oil off the surface and out of sight. Did they clear that with anyone? That most likely will do more environmental damage. I couldnt do that, but they can.

[cbdo2007]

8. yeah, I'm sure everyone else is lining up to get involved in this mess....

[tekisui]

10. Good point. Sad that we all suffer for it.

[shedevil69taz]

13. So who would you suggest be "allowed"

to try and stop the leak? The federal goverment doesn't have the expertise in matters such as this like the Oil Companies do, who can afford to retain the best people because they pay them the most.

Would you require some other company with a similar expertise to use their resourses to attempt it?

[tekisui]

15. Maybe quit with the long shots that are worsening the problem?

Someone needs to be over BP, stopping them from more fuck-ups. At this point, we can't afford any more ineptness.

[cbdo2007]

21. That's the problem - no one has any better ideas of ways to do it for free.

Yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of companies who'll do it for a sh*tload of money, like Billion$$$$$$ of dollars, but still they woudl be trying the same stuff BP is trying. It's like when Apollo 13 was in trouble in space...there really, literally, are only a few ideas that they've come up with (keep in mind this stuff has probably never even been tested) so I'm sure they're really trying.

[AllentownJake]

23. That is because they know

They can't stop it without another rig or a nuclear bomb.

Are they trying, I'm guessing they'll try anything at this point while they wait for the government to nuke it or for the rig to get there.

[shedevil69taz]

22. That would be fine

if those that were "over" them could come up with alternate solutions, so far has anyone said that BP have rejected an idea that they put forth to them out of hand without even considering it?

[gravity]

25. BP hasn't done any fuck ups since the disaster

Their approach has been very cautious because they don't want to make matters worst.

[tekisui]

29. I consider the chemical dispersant worse.

When the ball shot doesn't work, that will be worse. If they cut the pipe, that will be worse.

[gravity]

33. Because you are an expert on this

How do you know it will be worst?

[tekisui]

35. If the junk pile doesn't work,

we've just added a landfill to the ocean. If they cut the pipe the flow rate increases and it will be even harder to cap. The kink in the pipe, slowing the flow, is the only thing we have going for us right now.

[gravity]

37. They already know that

and are exercising extreme caution when doing anything to fix it. They said it is going to be the end of next week because they are analyzing the risks involved.

The chemical dispersant was tested in smaller batches before being and is constantly being monitored by the EPA for the effects on the environment.

[pnwmom]

34. It's not ineptness if the task is virtually impossible.

The problem is beyond anything any oil company has ever coped with before. Figuring out how to solve it involves a lot of guesswork and trial and error.

Bottom line, we shouldn't be allowing drilling this risky.

[tekisui]

36. Exactly.

We are stuck with no good options.

[gravity]

26. The government would just contract the job out to the same people

at the taxpayers expense.

[AnArmyVeteran]

44. Rush Limblah could be lowered to plug the leak. He's bigger than the containment dome...

At least he would serve some purpose in this world.

[Canuckistanian]

14. Good point

Someone said that BP was responsible for not stopping the damage of the Exxon Valdez as well.

Now they're running the show trying to stop the gusher AND in charge of hiring the cleanup crew?

NO. The federal govt. should step in, decide who's best to stop the disaster and then CHARGE BP for the costs. ALL OF THEM.

[tekisui]

18. I agree.

[ultracase24]

19. Well, they want to shoot golf balls in now

along with other rubbish:eyes:
This oil spill could very much shut down the entire tourism and fishing industry in the south.
BP should be held criminally liable, with the CEO, Board of Director's and top investors doing prison time. Their safety record is disturbing.

[Strelnikov_]

20. ..

[RKP5637]

24. The ones that go first will take all of the blame and heat 'till the real solution

has had time to be prepared/implemented. Then the final solution will be a hero's welcome.

If the gov. were to take over now, they would assume all of the blame immediately. Additionally, let BP bear the cost from the beginning. I'm no expert here, but I would not be surprised to see nuking it by the gov. the final solution.

[AllentownJake]

27. Politically the Government just can't go in there and nuke it

That has to be a last resort type of solution.

We are probably going to see it nuked.

[rhett o rick]

30. Did you forget what country you live in? Who would make them clean up the mess?

This disaster is a very clear example of who is running whom. BP can do whatever it wants and there is no one to stop them. They recently sprayed tons and tons of a extremely toxic dispersing agents to get the oil off the surface. Was this the best solution for the environment. It was probably much worse for the environment than the oil alone, but who's to stop them.

[Ozymanithrax]

31. They caused it. They are responsible for it. They are paying the money to stop it.

They havn't been found guilty of anything.

The moment somebody else steps in, they will walk off and be free to continue.

[kentuck]

38. Because they are not trying to stop the leak...

They are trying to fix the leak so they can continue pumping oil. There is a difference.

[CLANG]

39. Most people run away from a ticking bomb as fast as they can!

[Travis_0004]

40. Nuclear weapons

One small nuke down there, and we can have this problem fixed 3 hours from now.

[havocmom]

46. How does that work? Really, I would like the thing explained so we can understand.

Keep hearing about it, but never read any details or even general explanation of what it would do to the situation. Am genuinely curious as to the basics of what it would do to solve the problem.

[GreenStormCloud]

54. It would pinch the pipe closed.

The idea is to set it off a calculated distance from the well. It would be best if the nuke were a few hundred feet underground. The nuke would create a small underground pressure wave that would collapse the well and seal it off. The pressure wave would be small as a seismic event, but would be huge locally. A question is how close is the site to other wells. It could possibly blow the cap of of other wells if it is too close to them.

[havocmom]

55. Sounds like the chance of unintended consequences might be worth serious consideration

But, no, all the experts have probably considered everything that might not go as planned.

Just like BP and all the expert contractors did just before this thing went real real bad. :shrug:

[GreenStormCloud]

60. No human endeavour is 100% certain.

If you wait for absolute certainty, you will wait forever.

[ShortnFiery]

47. A coast guard Admiral stated that it would take THREE MONTHS to dig a competing

hole/well. Have they started that PROVEN remedy yet? Or is it just more experimentation?

We should get started on digging that competing well?

[Javaman]

48. Because of the government takes it over, they own it.

as long as BP is in "charge", they take the heat.

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[JustABozoOnThisBus]

50. I dunno. He wasn't much help stopping the Icelandic volcano ...

Can the military just take over BP? Or do we have to conquer Britain first?

And would the military be able to stop the leak? Maybe nuke the well, to turn all that sand into glass.

Besides, we have the Department of Homeland Security on the case, so we should all feel better about the leak.

:hi:

[snooper2]

52. Maybe he should command BP to drain that section of the ocean

so the busted casing is easier to get to...


Or, Maybe President Obama should have a bunch of our nuclear subs travel in a circle formation with a huge tarp, travel to gusher and cover it. Then BP can run a pipe to the tarp and capture the oil.

[donheld]

57. Who should be in charge of this?