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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:36 AM
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Mojave cross at center of court fight reported stolen
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/11/mojave-cross-at-center-of-court-fight-reported-stolen/?hpt=T2

A war memorial shaped like a cross that has been at the center of a Supreme Court fight has been torn down by vandals from its remote desert perch, its caretakers said Tuesday.

Veterans groups that have been fighting for years to keep the cross on national park land say the 6-foot-tall metal structure was removed Sunday night from Sunrise Rock in a lonely stretch of the Mojave National Preserve.

The high court on April 28 ruled the cross did not violate the constitutional separation of church and state. The American Civil Liberties Union, which had brought the original lawsuit to have the cross removed, has promised to continue the court fight.

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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:36 AM
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1. Perhaps it ascended?
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:46 AM
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7. Maybe the Rapture happened, and we didn't notice???? n/t
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:37 AM
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2. I disagree with the ruling, but that's just wrong
:grr:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:38 AM
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3. good riddance ....
Edited on Tue May-11-10 11:39 AM by mike_c
I love that park, and the mojave in general. That christian death/torture symbol was deeply disturbing in such a beautiful setting.

on edit: it's the people's land-- if someone could legally litter the place with it, then IMO someone else was just as justified picking up the trash.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:38 AM
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4. Maybe someone wanted to put it on the ceiling over their "love bed".
You never know.

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:39 AM
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5. "Could it have been a black-ops caper by Satan (R)." - Church Lady
Edited on Tue May-11-10 11:41 AM by SpiralHawk
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 02:11 PM
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13. Isn't he a bit busy helping the Bruins in the Playoffs?
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:45 AM
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6. Too bad. You do realize that now they'll move a giant 400 foot chrome cross,
a mobile touch-down Jesus, a monument to the Ten Commandments, and a bust of Reagan to the site.
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:52 AM
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10. Jesus Christ on a Trailer Hitch.....
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:49 AM
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8. Found!
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:49 AM
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9. It's hovering over Area 51 right now!
Check the webcam!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 11:54 AM
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11. That's fucked up
Whoever stole it is morally no better than the clowns who fire-bombed two medical marijuana clinics in Montana.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4375841&mesg_id=4375841

If you lose, you lose. If you don't play by the rules, you aren't entitled to any prizes.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 01:35 PM
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12. it's litter on public land...
...so in my book, whoever took it is morally no worse than anyone else who picks up the garbage people leave behind.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 02:12 PM
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14. You saying so doesn't make it so - And the courts have ruled that the cross can stay
Either you work inside the system or you are no better than any other outlaw.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 02:20 PM
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16. that's not really the case, I think....
Edited on Tue May-11-10 02:23 PM by mike_c
Congress dodged the issue by enacting a law specifically to transfer the cross and the ground immediately under it to the VFW, so that it would be on private rather than public land. That legislation was challenged and the land transfer has not yet occurred, I believe.

In any event, the cross is still on Mojave NP land, not VFW land yet, and that makes it xtian litter in my book. I applaud whomever cleaned it up.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-10 02:15 PM
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15. "A war memorial shaped like a cross"
:rofl:

Hoo boy, what a locution!
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