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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:52 AM
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A state of persistent and permanent war? securing the world via neverending conflict
well, this certainly assures the multinational corporations a continuing profit via wars and more wars
May 14, 2010 8:41 PM
The world is in an “era of persistent conflict” because of ideological struggles that are exacerbated by several global trends, the Chief of Staff of the Army said Friday in Colorado Springs.

That means the United States should expect protracted military actions that look far different from the tank wars of the past, Gen. George Casey Jr. told more than 1,000 people attending the annual Armed Forces luncheon at The Broadmoor.













http://www.gazette.com/articles/warns-98834-conflict-world.html
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:54 AM
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1. yay! "we have always been at war with east asia -- or somebody -"
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:55 AM
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3. You're wrong - it's Eurasia.
:eyes:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 12:49 PM
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21. "or somebody..."
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:54 AM
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2. “era of persistent conflict”
the gift that keeps on giving..
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:55 AM
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4. the empire marches on whilst the people starve
how very ROMAN of them.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 09:04 AM
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5. Bah ! Everyone knows Democratic-Run Endless Wars Rock!!!
Democrats, fuck yeah!!! :headbang:
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 09:17 AM
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6. What they heard and what he said...
"...and the Army must move more quickly to provide the tools soldiers need."

Translation: "I own stock in several arms manufacturing conglomerates."

"But the No. 1 priority, he said, is taking care of soldiers and their families."

Translation: Forget what I just said about an "era of persistent conflict" and "protracted military actions".

"It takes two to three years to recover from a combat deployment... "

Translation: "Generals can't be generals without lots of troops to order around. And I've got a boat payment".

"Casey said globalization has sometimes deepened the gap between the haves and the have-nots, and the have-not countries have become fertile ground for recruiting terrorists."

Translation: "Brown people still have some stuff left we can use. And now they've figured out how to seriously fuck with us."

“The two trends that worry me the most are weapons of mass destruction in the hands of terrorists” and the ability of terrorists to find safe havens..."

Translation: "There is a general consensus among brown people that there is a way to seriously fuck us up, and they kinda like it."

"...the U.S. military must help vulnerable countries secure their “elements of power...” "

Translation: "We need to help them secure the power we give them."





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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 09:22 AM
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7. If you're a hammer everything looks like a nail
The US seems to be a military power that sees only wars. That's tragic.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 09:34 AM
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8. with the absence of moral leadership that lives up to its own alleged christian values, we will have
endless military industrial complex welfare $$$ raising wars.

Some elected officials only have 9 commandments in their training manuals.

Msongs
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 09:51 AM
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10. Thou shall not kill *
*unless it is profitable.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 09:50 AM
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9. It has always been about $$$. At least, since 1963.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 09:53 AM
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11. Please stop criticizing the Forever War while our team is conducting it. In due time,
the evil side will take power and we can joyously resume criticizing that which we have recently been supporting.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 09:54 AM
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12. It will only end when the USA goes bankrupt ...which is not unlikely.
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Zix Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 09:55 AM
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13. Hope! Change! Chess! Ponies! Purists! etc nt
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:08 AM
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14. The US Empire: All 'war', All the Time.
:( :puke:

It makes me incredibly sad to know that I'm paying for this. :argh:
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FBI_Un_Sub Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:31 AM
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15. Will be the state of our foreign policy until we break our petroleum addiction
As long as we import well over half of our petroleum and remain emotionally committed to "turnpike cruisers" and discourage urban living (See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x340292 and http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x247188, and we are pushing our quest for oil deeper and deeper underground where we can't control misadventures as we plow through Afghanistan (the graveyard of empires) to protect oil pipelines.

Our addiction to oil will keep us in a state of persistent and permanent war.

Give Peace A Chance -- eat locavore and bike to work.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 10:33 AM
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16. and yet plastic comes from petroleum also
how much plastic is used in this country from packaging to bags? everything.

but green energy? hemp? biodegradable bags? biodegradable packaging?

we arent even attempting to pursue it.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:09 AM
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18. & The US military is the largest purchaser of oil in the world.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:07 AM
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17. This is certainly the central problem of U.S. democracy--the failure to demobilize
after WW II and the takeover of our government by war profiteers whose interests are served and whose pockets are lined by the Forever War--Korea blending into Vietnam blending into Cambodia/Laos blending into U.S. funded proxy wars and installation of bloody dictators in Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Nicaragua, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and throughout Latin America and Africa, blending into "mutually assured destruction," blending into 'little wars' like Panama and Grenada, big wars like Gulf War I, the U.S. "war on drugs," and finally, full scale invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan and sneaky occupations of Colombia and Honduras.

What is all this FOR? Not for you and me and most U.S. citizens. It is a self-perpetuating, blood-soaked juggernaut to enrich the rich, at our expense and the expense and lives of other peoples.

That IS the central problem in the U.S. But how to solve it involves another set of problems having to do with the fundamentals of democracy--for instance, the loss of transparency in our vote counting system--the takeover of all vote counting in the U.S. by rightwing-connected electronic voting machine corporations, using 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY code to tabulate our votes, with virtually no audit/recount controls. This EASY capability of fiddling every election in the U.S. now resides largely with ONE far rightwing-connected corporation--ES&S, which just bought out Diebold and thus achieved an 80% monopoly over the U.S. voting machine 'market.' Until we rid ourselves of these 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines--which is still doable (since power over voting systems still resides at the local/state level, where ordinary people have some potential influence)--we cannot even begin to address other critically needed reforms, such as cutting the war budget down to true defensive posture or busting corpo-fascist media monopolies.

The takeover of vote counting by rightwing corporations was fast-tracked across the U.S. during the 2002 to 2004 period and is closely related to accelerating the Forever War and bending it to corporate resource purposes. Nearly 60% of the American people opposed the invasion of Iraq, for instance (Feb. '03, all polls) and this peace-minded, progressive majority had to be overcome. We really need to understand the WHY of these things--of privatized, 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting and corpo-fascist, lying, propagandistic 'news' monopolies--in order to devise remedies and organize people to implement remedies. We desperately need to "connect the dots." Just a for instance, the initial funder and major investor in ES&S was Howard Ahmanson, a reclusive, far rightwing billionaire who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon foundation which promotes the death penalty for homosexuals. THAT is who has been 'counting' the votes on ballot propositions against gays and lesbians!

The Forever War is wrong, wrong, WRONG! It is anti-democratic, grievously inhumane and ruinous to most Americans. We are seeing the ruinous part in this Great Depression. And we have seen some of the blowback on the grievously inhumane part and will likely see more. As to the anti-democratic part, we not only see its impact here, in policy that favors multinational corporations and disfavors or completely ignores the interests of most Americans, no matter who is president, we see it in U.S. attacks on truly democratic countries, like Venezuela, while it lards $7 BILLION in military aid on Colombia--a country with the second worst human rights record on earth.

How to END the Forever War? The answer is how to restore democracy. Step no. 1: Restore the bottom line of democracy--vote counting that everyone can SEE and understand.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:15 AM
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19. It's been that way since 22 November 1963.
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The Damned Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 12:08 PM
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20. Wasn't that the Germans' WWII philosophy?
That a state of perpetual warfare benefits a country?
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