When did Apple become uncool?

[Elmore Furth]

Don't drink the Kool-Aid

It's hard to remember a time when Apple wasn't the coolest company on the planet. In 1984, the company made its voice heard with a groundbreaking Super Bowl ad that launched the Macintosh to the world.

But the tide is clearly changing, and Apple is finding itself increasingly on the defensive against allegations that it has become stodgy, overbearing, mean-spirited, and even uncool.

It's hard to determine exactly when and where Apple lost its groove. Was it when the company brought the hammer down on iPhone tinkerers, "bricking" jailbroken iPhones? Was it when the company began threatening to delete applications from the app store because it didn't like how they were developed? Or when it asked the cops to raid the house of a blogger who wrote about an unreleased product? Or when a Pulitzer Prize winner's cartoon was banned from the app store? Or when Apple's "no nipples on your iPhone" policy led an edgy fashion magazine to dub its censored iPad version the "Iran Edition?"

And Apple may actually be even worse than Redmond. Consider the Gestapo tactics of firing overly chatty employees and, in perhaps the dumbest move from the company ever, sending a team of cops to break down the door of a Gizmodo blogger and seize his computers, all over a misplaced cell phone. Apple prizes its secrecy — a tactic that has been incredibly successful at building buzz and placing free media stories for years — but now that secrecy has turned mean-spirited, the business equivalent of the old man yelling at kids to get out of his yard. (If you don't believe me, check out some of the replies that Steve Jobs sends when people email him.)

When did Apple become uncool?

[SpiralHawk]

1. "When did cool become, um, uncool?" - Steeley Mike (R)

[MattBaggins]

2. Apple was never cool.

[ncteechur]

94. ALWAYS been way cooler than Microsoft.

[TampaAnimus2010]

135. It became uncool from the start...

Trying to maintain its grip on hardware cost it the PC market till this day. When you could go the store and buy a component from any one of a zillion producers, go home and slap it into your PC, it was great. Apple on the other hand forced you to come to them and buy their more expensive hardware - and they got their hat handed to them.

Today, they want to protect the masses from porn and become the moral filter for the world. Ill take my android phone thank you very much and if I want to download porn on it, then it's no ones business but mine. Just wait till the good android tablets starting hitting the market in the next 6 months and can do pretty much anything the IPad can do... cheaper... and without the moral police looking over your shoulder.

[flamingdem]

3. They are not that uncool after selling 1 million I-Pads in under a month

they are just successful corporate aholes.

[Moochy]

4. when they released the colored iMacs

those things were so goofy.

:yoiks:

Apple ][ was their last cool product... :+

[RC]

8. I still have my Apple ][e, monitor, disk drives...

4 meg 6502 and a meg of memory, Clock.
I could run all of Appleworks from memory
It was a screamer in its day.

[Moochy]

11. Nice!

My dad brought home an apple 2 plus back in the day, endless fun! I remember being so excited when we got a display card for the new apple ]
Also we had an external hard drive... but it could not be seen by the apple OS, because the disk system was not supported except in ProDOS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Apple_II_family

[RC]

16. I had an Apple ][+ before that and I did the wire for the proper shift key function.

My ]I was quite proficient in basic and wrote an inventory control program for work on it.

[Dappleganger]

24. Still running our old Cube as a music server.

Maxed out the memory, hard drive and threw in a better video card. It's quite easy to work on and replace parts as needed, although they are becoming quite difficult to find. I have another Cube on hand just for parts.

[Posteritatis]

36. When I was doing my undergrad they issued comps to the history profs...

All of them, more or less independent of whether they wanted them (or already had them), around my second-last year there. In the interest of being frugal (ha!), they all got iMacs.

One of my profs was an incredibly oldschool type - his office, through the time I was there, looked more or less identical to the way it would have looked in 1985. Or 1925, for that matter. He drew the short straw or something; one day I was going down the hall and saw him in his office, glaring at the bright pink iMac parked on his desk and providing about 75% of the available color in the room.

I'm still trying to figure out how wrong it was to be as amused as I was...

[donheld]

5. Apple is still very cool!

[tularetom]

6. When they started working for the shareholders instead of the users

I don't care, I'm a shareholder as well as a user. :shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. Me too and I had no idea apple was now uncool

:shrug:

[Blue-Jay]

7. I've never understood the Mac/PC wars.

Me, I prefer a PC, but that's what I'm used to. I do like the fact that PCs are easier to work on. If my hard drive takes a dump, I can just slap another drive in there and be done with it. Macs? They're pretty.

[Dreamer Tatum]

10. Apple doesn't really make computers anymore

They make electronic entertainment devices.

[Touchdown]

49. That is just a really dumb thing to say.

:eyes:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

It's inaccurate because the Macs are still real computers.

But they probably want everything to be like iPads and iPhones.

And frankly, nowadays when people think of Apple they mostly think about iPads and iPhones. The Macs are kinda overshadowed.

So Dreamer Tatum's post is, although factually incorrect, understandable. Not dumb at all.

[Touchdown]

78. Ah! I see. Sort of like Glenn Beck saying "SOCIALISM/NAZIS!"

and repeating the lie often enough "makes it understandable. Not dumb at all."

I get it! A lie is not really a lie, but 'understandable'.:hi:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

83. Well, maybe the poster was disingenuous and conveniently "forgot" the Macs.

And maybe not.

Once again, I like to give people the benefit of doubt. Even you. (But that one was exhausted four or five posts ago.)

[Touchdown]

95. Your in an Apple thread. Those that come here have no doubt.

Only brazen opinions they pass off as facts.

[misanthrope]

154. Apple's still the standard in media industries**nm

**

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. And I've owned Macs only for nearly 20 years

and I've never had a problem with a hard drive. Or with any other parts of my apple computers. :shrug:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

84. The dickishness isn't happening in the Macs, but in the iPhones and iPads.

See #18 and #68.

[Touchdown]

91. And I don't feel dicked around.

I use all 3 of their "assholish" products and their "dickish" store too. I just live, and feel pretty damn free. Now those Camera Vans hiding in blind spots shooting pics of drivers going 3 miles over... Apple should really do something about those guys.

[proud2BlibKansan]

109. 2 iPhones and an iPad and no problems at all

:shrug:

[Touchdown]

115. But you just don't know your iLife isn't whole without the Baby Shaker App.

... which in reality is all a red herring. If Apple changed their approval policies Tomorrow (or never had them in the first place), they would find something else to hate Apple over.

This has never been about Electronic freedom, walled gardens, open standards, or any of those other BS excuses. This is about wanting Apple to DIE painfully, horribly, and for Steve Jobs to get mugged in an alley and have his new pancreas torn from him so he will die horribly as well. The iPad was just that Hindenburg to make Apple DIE SCREAMING. Then it started selling and now the Apple haters are going all teabag on us.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

156. Generalization FAIL

"This has never been about Electronic freedom, walled gardens, open standards, or any of those other BS excuses."

Maybe for some people who hate Apple irrationally, yes. Not for me. To me, openness and freedom to tinker are the litmus test. We Linux people tend to be like that.

[Touchdown]

158. Using message board cliches FAIL!

Try to have an original insult, Einstein!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

162. You only read subject lines, don't you? Try addressing the body of the post. -nt

[Touchdown]

165. Body of your post is irrelevant.

I deny your superiority as a human or intelligant being because of Linux. You use a different operating system. That is all. Any other baggage you add to it just tells me you're selling something.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

166. I wasn't implying any of that, but hey, if the shoe fits...

[Touchdown]

168. Find my shoe!

I do not add any baggage to being an Apple user. I'm merely defending my use of it and fighting back against the questioning of my intelligence because I do.

[alfredo]

86. Art and commerce. Apple became the tool of choice by artist and publishers.

The PC became the province of the bean counter office worker and gamer. There's always been tension between those two worlds.


Apple is upsetting the apple cart and everyone is freaking out.

[Odin2005]

9. When they showed themselves to be Just Another Corporation.

[Iggo]

12. Apple is The Man, and The Man ain't cool.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

17. They have always wanted to be the MAN, and now they are

[Marr]

13. I've only recently started thinking they were uncool.

It was when they got fat enough to throw their weight around and act like Microsoft, basically.

[Arkana]

14. When they became the new Microsoft

and started to feel that shafting their customers by making every music, movie, and book file playable on Apple products only (thus forcing anyone with iTunes to buy an iPod).

[gmoney]

102. Huzza whatnow?

You don't have to buy anything from the Apple store to use iTunes. Works great on regular MP3s. And it's a pretty easy workaround to convert purchased songs to MP3 if you want to use them on your Zune or whatnot.

I think a lot of the restrictions are due to licensing agreements with the copyright holders.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

114. The serious restrictions have nothing to do with outside copyrights

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. When oh when will the stupid OS wars stop?

Get over it people, don't matter who slaps what corporate logo, they are all made the same and they are TOOLS.

GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

18. Its not about the OS wars for me, its their post sales restrictions they insist on

You can not create and sell an app without their approval. Users pay more than they should and then do not have full rights to their hardware. Its started with the bricking of iPhones and has gotten worse from there. You should read the developers agreement!

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. All the apps I have on my iPhone and iPad are free

What user costs are you referring to?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

38. I did not say user costs, its post purchase control by Apple

You cannot load any app you want onto it since they are strictly controlled by Apple. Try and write your own one...

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

74. THIS. It's NOT about the Macs.

People saying "but my Mac this", "but my Mac that", are completely missing the point, being either uninformed or disingenuous. I like to give people the benefit of doubt so I'll assume uninformed.

[nadinbrzezinski]

150. And your point?

Microsoft does the same shit for the X-Box, as well as the Sony for their gaming rigs, did I mention the WII?

It is the bidness model. You don't like it, USE LINUX.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

23. Apple already lost the OS war

In fact, Apple got its ass kicked BADLY in the OS wars. It's now essentially a race between Windows and Linux.

The OP's story is about Apple's treatment of customers, developers, employees, etc. Apple is a bad company with a richly deserved reputation for thuggish tactics and poor corporate behavior. And it's all excused because it's a profitable company.

[Touchdown]

56. The only OS wars are in the small heads of immature users...

who are interested in fighting imagined corporate battles by proxy. Microsoft makes and sells the most Mac software, and they have been doing that since 1984.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

68. Actually, the current evil by Apple isn't in the Macs.

It's in the iPhones and iPads. It's them who have the post-sale restrictions mentioned. The Macs (SO FAR) act like normal computers.

But I won't buy them. Generic PCs with Linux do everything I need.

[Touchdown]

75. I just wonder if you can come up with a more inflammatory term.

"Evil" is just so vanilla and wishy washy. How do you really feel?:eyes:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

85. You're right, I was lazy. The more accurate term would be "dickish". Or perhaps "assholish".

Or even better, "control freakish".

[Touchdown]

89. Laughing my ass off! It's as if Apple cause the oil platform explosion.

Insanity! :rofl:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

153. And flipping somebody the bird isn't the My Lai massacre.

Does that mean one shouldn't call people who flip others off dicks?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

113. Actually evil just about covers their post sales control of hardware they no longer own

[Touchdown]

116. If you say so.

:rofl: I'm surrounded by them!:tinfoilhat:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

117. Clearly my comments are pointed at the iPhone/iPad

They gave up controlling the Mac environment shortly after it came out.

[Touchdown]

119. No. Clearly I have it figured out.

It has nothing to do with anything related to open sourcing, app stores, draconian development rules, tight control of their product's image, or any of the other red herrings that you guys come up with.

Be honest. If Apple was to change their policies and do a complete 180 on the product image control, which is characterized so ominously as "Lockdown", you and the rest of the Apple haters wouldn't blink an eye in bitching about something else they did.

This is all about Apple being the big monster that just can't be killed, and it's eating you up! It's about Steve Jobs defying God's wrath and needing to be mugged in an alley, and a knife taken to extract his transplanted pancreas so that it may be given to a nice Windows developer instead.

This is about hating Apple. Everything else you talk about is windows dressing.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

120. I see you got the clairvoyancy app on your iPad

I am FOSS guy...Apple was actually almost a good guy, which MS has NEVER been, until the iPhone. With it they lodged themselves firmly on the dark side. Jobs' latest statements show that he is at least as much of a egomaniac than anyone in Redmond.

Maintaining control of a product after you sell it is what Monsanto does with their GM seeds. Apple is now in that camp as well.

Keep drinking that Kupertino Kool Aid...

[Touchdown]

122. Projection of your delusions doesn't help you.

There is no dark side or light side of computer companies. There is only FOSS and their apocalyptic language of some imagined outrage they can't make a buck off of.

How much money did you or FOSS spend on development of the iPad? iPhone? Nothing? What makes you think you're entitled to own it's future?

And... my entire previous response to you was a full bullseye! FOSS my ass! You said "Kupertino Kool Aide" ... it's the Apple Hater's Godwin's Law. You are nothing but a hater.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

123. Why is Steve Job's allowed to control the use of H/W Apple no longer owns?

To be fair, Sony's latest PS version is doing the same thing. Another company progressives should avoid if possible.

[Touchdown]

125. Apple never stops owning it.

They are blamed when something goes wrong with it (Like Flash killing the processes. You think any user would blame Adobe for that?). The future sales of anything they have are directly tied to the image the public holds of that product (Titanic was a good movie... until it made it's first $500Billion... then it became a POS). They spent billions of dollars developing their latest thing (iPad), which has rumored to have been in development for almost a decade, and they are supposed to just turn it over to a bunch of hackers to ruin it and it's future because they want to add Baby Shaker,Buggy Flash Plug In that isn't made for touch screens, or cannibalize phone service off of somebody else's network... None of which anybody in the FOSS paid a dime to develop.

This isn't about users being restricted on what they can do. It's about a bunch of App developers with an over-developed sense of entitlement wanting to claim ownership of a product they put nothing into, just so they can make a fucking buck without following someone else's rules. You want that? Make an iPad derivative yourself!

Although I am with you and do not agree with the strict rules for app makers Apple has imposed or the puritanical stance their taking on adult content, I am also loathe to say that they are worse than Monsanto or BP, because of the existence of the app store or they have an approval policy that should be relaxed. That's just pure hatred.

Don't try to claim the mantle of progressivism with this weak angle. The irrational tone this thread has taken by most of the anti-Apple posters is decidedly un-hinged and tea-baggy as anything in a GD "Palin" thread.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

130. Legally they no longer own it, but they still control its use

Its not about who is making a buck on it this week...its who is controlling what another paid for. Its pretty basic. The Monsanto comparison is on point. Apple is insisting on controlling something they no longer own. Its not like they have licensed or leased it to us.

They did not spend billions on it, look at their financial statements.

I agree that Flash suck in a touch environment, but that should be my choice as the owner/user.

I as an owner, with no one making a buck, am not allowed to write my own apps for hardware I own without permission from Apple. How does that square with any sort of ethical behavior?

You are the one being strident here and doing the name calling. Look in the mirror when you say tea baggy.

[Touchdown]

139. Legally? You are so full of it!

Legally, it's theirs. They own the patent. They own the design. They own the name. They own the right to sell it to whomever they wish. They also are legally able to dictate who makes software for their machine. Legally!!! Look up Nintendo vs. Namco/Tengen case in 1991 if you think it's wrong.

As an owner of your hardware, you can do anything you want with it. You can make your own software without Apple's knowledge or approval, provided you know how to do it, which the instructions for doing so is easy to find. What you can't do is sell it to others without Apple approving of it's compatibility first.

You have no choice in Flash. It doesn't work on portable devices. NONE OF THEM! What you are seeing on Droids and Palms is Flash Lite, which only converts video and is NOT full Flash. In order for you to have a choice, Adobe must make a Flash that actually works on portable devices. As of yet, they can't.

You called me a Kool Aide Drinker. You started the name calling with your convenient fall back insult. You want to be taken seriously, then you stop playing the fanboi card. Teabaggy is an adverb, so no name calling there, only descriptive action.

[cliffordu]

127. Apparently you know nothing of the nearly identical nature of the

Linux OS and OSX.

Apparently.
But that's OK - Both linux and OSX are vastly superior to anything M$ has ever put out.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

133. Apparently, you know nothing at all about me

I know plenty about OSX and its origins in the BSD and Linux world (yea, Jobs stole an OS, how inventive of him), and I've been using Linux since it was command line only. Apparently, you like to make assumptions based on your own smug opinion of yourself. Apparently.

Windows destroyed Apple in the OS wars and the evidence is in the market share. I didn't say anything about the quality, or lack thereof, of each Operating System. Again, that was you making an assumption. Apparently.

[cliffordu]

137. If you were me, you'd be awesome, too.

Apparently.

[Touchdown]

144. Talk about smug.

The other one isn't credential bragging like you are.

I almost came in my pants when I heard you've been using Linux since the command line days! That's such a turn on!:rofl:

[cliffordu]

148. Yep - I popped a little chubby over that one myself....

:rofl:

[Davis_X_Machina]

19. Apple is the Red Sox...

..who were cool, so long as they were losers. After 2004, not so much.

[KatyMan]

80. Nah, everybody....

and I mean everybody that doesn't live in the northeast or work for ESPN either hates or couldn't care less about the Sawx (or the Cubs).

[MisterP]

20. I think it's when they created a 10-mile dome, built a town inside, and legally adopted an infant so

that they could stream his life 24/7


then again, there's this: http://www.cracked.com/article_18377_5-reasons-you-should-be-scared-apple.html (note: many of the replies are "corporate malfeasance is for YOUR protection")

[Forrest Greene]

22. The Question Is Pointless

When Miles Davis died in 1991, he took cool with him.

[Book Lover]

60. Winnah! (nm)

[Dappleganger]

25. My brother-in-law just made the switch over to Mac, he's part-owner of a software company.

You can read about the switch on his blog here: http://paulgustavson.blogspot.com/

[Elwood P Dowd]

32. I like this part as it's similar to what my friends say when they dumped Windows PCs for Apple.

"In fact, the MacBook has not stalled, crashed or burned yet. Unfortunately, I can't say that for my Windows box. In fact, if you compare the last 8 days of the MacBook with the last 8 days of the Windows box - MacBook wins hands down. Compare this."

Windows 7 Dell Notebook:
- # Outlook App "Not Responding" hour glass moments = 10 x (at least)
- # Outlook App Crashes = 4 x
- # Sleep wake ups that resulted in an undesired full "reboot" = 2 x
- Time it takes to come out "sleep" = 12 seconds
- Time it takes to fully boot up and load firefox = 2+ minutes

MacBook Pro:
- # Apps "Not Responding" hour glass moments = 0
- # App Crashes = 0
- # Sleep wake ups that resulted in an undesired full reboot = 0
- Time it takes to come out of sleep = 2 seconds (some times instantaneously)
- Time it takes to full boot up and load safari = don't know yet - I haven't shut it down complete yet.

[Dappleganger]

33. Let me tell you, he has been very anti-Apple over the years.

I have been working on him to make the switch for a decade. He's seen all of my project demonstrations, I've done work at his home so he can see how things have evolved over the years. They do have about a half dozen Macs in their office (which employes about 225 people) but they are adding more this year.

If there is anything negative to be said about the comparison, I trust him to say it because he's given such grief about the PC vs. Mac issue for so long.

He really hasn't begun using Keynote much yet for presentations, but when he makes that switch he's going to love it!

[Call Me Wesley]

27. iPad is ordered,

iPhone's right next to me and this post was made on an iMac.

Now I could say the same thing like:

'I have a blackberry, Windows 7 and am happy.'

What's the big deal? Some people prefer one or the other. Apple's a private corporation. If they want to protect their items by all measures, that's their right. And you can watch a lot of porn on your iPhone if you want to.

And, call me Gestapo, but I helped to kill the iMussolini app from iTunes. I guess this makes me pretty uncool, too.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. Got my iPad for Mothers Day

I'm posting on it now. I love it.

[Dappleganger]

30. How is the typing?

Dh is thinking of getting one for work (replacing his Touch).

[proud2BlibKansan]

43. Excellent!

Keyboard is perfect size!

[Call Me Wesley]

34. They're coming out here May, 28.

I'm looking forward to it. :hi:

I just don't get the rivalry or bashing. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I was using PCs for all the years before I changed to the iMac. There's pros and cons on both.

[proud2BlibKansan]

66. For a lightweight computer to read email and surf the net, the iPad can't be beat

It's also terrific for watching podcasts.

I wouldn't want this to be my only computer but it's much easier to walk out of the house carrying this than a laptop.

[tammywammy]

96. I got an iPhone for admin day

I love it. :)

I have a friend that got the iPad and he really likes it so far. It replaced a smaller netbook he used to take to class for notes.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

31. when they became "the man" , i would say the ipod started it but the iphone did it in

people love the underdog, and apple no longer is

[Jakes Progress]

35. About the time conservativism became popular.

[Taitertots]

37. Was it when they started charging 2-4 times as much for laptops?

I was going to buy a Mac book, but realized to get the same performance I'd have to pay more than double the cost of the Dell I ended up buying.

[proud2BlibKansan]

44. Actually the Mac laptops I have owned perform better and last longer

making them worth the higher cost.

[Taitertots]

47. My PC laptops are just as fast, and I have not had any problems with them

Did they last twice as long? Did they perform twice as good?

[proud2BlibKansan]

64. Hubby and I both purchased laptops at the same time

Mine was a Mac and his was a Dell.

Three years later his Dell has been dead for over a year and he has a new Mac. My Mac is still going strong, no problems. So bang for the buck in our family has been better with Macs.

[Taitertots]

71. Well, everything I've ever seen contradicts that

With all my PC computers lasting until I wanted to upgrade. Considering I paid less than 1/2 what your mac computers cost and got equal or better performance I'd say PC gave me much better bang for my bucks.

[Elwood P Dowd]

81. My sister has gone through two cheap Dell laptops the past five years.

She keeps refusing to buy a Mac because Steve Jobs and Al Gore are Democrats. Will probably buy even another Dell because Michael Dell has given millions to the republican party. "Dell is a good christian conservative company" she says. Go figure.

[jxnmsdemguy65]

98. Dell is Jewish nt

[Raschel]

100. So if you have two Dell laptops you have three websites?

[Elwood P Dowd]

101. Fox News didn't tell her. All she knows is that they give $$$ to repukes.

I hear that shit from her all the time........."good christian company"...."good christian politician".....She even thinks Limbaugh is a "good christian".

[Touchdown]

104. The Farmer screws his Dells

"The farmer in the dell." You know! :hide:

[KonaKane]

39. It was a job decision.

I started with Macs, back in the early 90s. Being involved in media, they were da shizznit at the time for graphics, publishing and music production. Then at the end of the 90s, Windows came into its own and doing media in either one was about the same. So because more programs were available for Windows at the time, I switched to PC. Now, for some reason or another, Apple has pulled ahead in the media game and has become the platform of choice for graphics, music and film production. So, I just purchased my new Mac system with Logic Audio 9 (bye bye, Cubase) because the overwhelming majority of my clients require me to be working with an Apple based system for their media projects.

It's just a work thing.

[frustrated_lefty]

40. Never understood the apple fanboys

The Mac OS used to be extremely glitchy, crashing if you looked at it wrong. The software I use for work is designed for pc. I want my phone to be a phone, not a multi-tasking monkey on my shoulder. The I-Pad strikes me as one of the most idiotic things of all time, designed for relatively wealthy, self-indulgent gas-bags.

I'll stick with my "un-cool" pc, thank you. It does what I want, and that's what I bought it for.

[Elwood P Dowd]

42. Mac OS is glitchy? Has it been 20 years since you even used one?

I've owned 5 Macs since the 1990s and never had trouble with any of them crashing.

Are you insinuating that all the DUers who purchased an iPad are "self-indulgent gas-bags"? You complain about Apple fanboys and then post somehting like this? Give me a break! Apple haters are just as bad, and sometimes worse, as the most rabid fanboys.

[proud2BlibKansan]

45. Well I'm not the least bit wealthy

but if you want to call me a self-indulgent gas bag, go right ahead. I really don't care what someone on the inter tubes thinks of me.

[alfredo]

134. Macs start off at $599. That is not expensive. It isn't something that will

end up in the dumpster after a couple years.

My wife is now on an 11 year old iMac. It hasn't had a lick of trouble. My Mac Mini sold for $799 back in early 2008. I put another gig of memory in it a few months ago.

BTW, you can get a Mac for under $250, the iPod Touch.

[Touchdown]

50. You project more than a multiplex.

:rofl:

[Codeine]

151. Ohhh, SNAP!

I like that one! :rofl:

[earth mom]

41. I don't have a problem with Apple trying to control their product.

Many of those apps were downright disgusting and foul and I don't want to see them when I'm looking to buy something for my ipod touch.

Let someone else come up with another product for their disgusting shit-it's a free country as they say!

[Sherman A1]

46. I will let you know when it happens, but I don't see it doing so for a very, very

long time.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

48. The first second they said they were cool.

[Touchdown]

53. Can you look up that statement for me? I seemed to have missed that event

... and Google is in cahoots with Apple and refuses to search for it.:shrug:

[ProdigalJunkMail]

55. how about when they started

advertising their stuff as 'magical?' what a joke...magical? really?

sP

[Touchdown]

57. I'm not buying your rationalizing again.

Give me a link to a credible source, or admit your pulling that out of your ass!

'Magical' is an adjective that has many meanings... in some respects, the iPad is just that... especially since nobody else can make something like it that works nearly as well or is as fun to use. HP killed their "Slate" and MS killed their "Courier" in less than a month after the iPad was released. It wasn't because the iPad is a POS, and they had better machines that can do Flash (in fact, they couldn't get Flash to work).

[ProdigalJunkMail]

58. um...apple's homepage during the whole iPad release craze

called it magical...and you know it. stop asking for a source...

rationalization? no...they are just marketing their stuff as magical...that's all...

ok...here's your link for the magical crap...

http://www.apple.com/ipad/ it's that big fucking word under iPad on the left...i bet you can find it.

sP

[Touchdown]

62. Well don't you think your just clever. I ask about where they said "Cool"

and you make 'magical' a synonym. You claimed they publicly called themselves 'Cool'. When, and where did they do that? Links please!

If MS and HP can't even come close to making a viable alternative to an iPad, forcing them to dump the projects, then in some hyperbolic way, it is magical.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

67. I think someone ELSE should be responding to your request

for a link to 'cool'...I never mentioned it...

sP

[Touchdown]

69. Oh' you're right.

I didn't notice you were a buttinski

[ProdigalJunkMail]

70. forgive me for intruding on your obviously private conversation

cause you have NEVER inserted yourself into a conversation...ever...

sP

[Touchdown]

73. ...

:rofl:

So sensitive! It was actually my mistake for not checking the poster names, but then you Apple bashers sound all alike with your tired arguments that have no basis in reality, so I can be forgiven for making the assumption.:hi:

[ProdigalJunkMail]

77. reality...give it a try sometime...

i think to advertise your product as 'magical' is pretty juvenile...i would be just as perturbed by a PC manufacturer doing it. Look, Apple makes nice stuff. It's sexy. And works well for what it does. I will just never understand why people will pay such a premium for the name brand Apple. The OS is nice...they don't really make a lot of the hardware any more (drives, processors)...if Macs did what I need for close to the same price I might purchase one...but the 'art' of Apple doesn't hold enough appeal for me to shell out the extra bucks. Now, when iPad v.2 comes out...if they have made some changes...I might go so far as to buy one. Then, I will invite you over for a beer and a tutorial...you choose the beer...

sP

[Touchdown]

88. It's a plan!

I just don't agree on the "cost" issue thing though. Specs on paper can't really be compared.

Yes, I will give you the up front costs of buying a Mac is more, but in the long term, the costs even out. More reliability, a more efficient OS so the equal specs on RAM actually makes OSX faster than Windows7 (case in point- the iPad's A4 chip is a dual core 256meg processor... and it's still lightening fast), the free, actually useable software that comes with Macs, the OS updates that are a fraction of the cost of MS's offerings, the peace of mind that viruses are rare, if ever, and the added cost of anti-viral software is usually spent on food instead. Yeah, they look good, but your paying for more than the looks, and unless you've actually used one for any length of time, it's impossible to convey that to you.

Spec sheet for spec sheet cannot be compared when OSes use those spec;d hardware so differently. In pure processing, 2 Gigs of Ram in OSX is faster than 3.5Gigs in Windows7. And that's just the RAM. Optimized software, clock speed, hard drive writing/accessing are all done differently in OSX than in Windows, so the specs on paper are not comparable.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

90. ok...I'll come to you...

Denver is one of my favorite towns... we can trash Bill Gates while I am there... I am pretty good at that too... and I MET him while not having the chance to meet Steve J.

forgive me for being a tool... i just love to bitch about stuff sometimes and you were willing to play along...thanks.

sP

[Touchdown]

92. Ok, big confession time.

I never really trashed Gates. In fact I think he's pretty cool for giving all that money for disease prevention in Africa. Ballmer on the other hand.:rofl:

[lazarus]

131. Windows 7 is faster

on Mac's own equipment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=242x31005

I really don't care about Mac vs PC. I have had zero problems with my Win7 laptop, so see no need to spend three times the money for a Macbook. Others have had horrible times with PCs and think it's worth the money. No skin off my back.

Where Apple is going to jump the shark is with iAds. They'll be backtracking on that one fast. You'll be using your shiny new iPad, and suddenly an ad will appear that you have to interact with before you get your iPad back. Yeah, that'll go over well.

[Touchdown]

142. Google is doing the same thing with Android.

... but apparently that escapes the hater's radar. And yes, the "outrageous cost" canard is a hater's argument. Find a hobby!

[Touchdown]

51. Yeah, cause everybody knows that shaking babies is ultra-cool!

:eyes:

[ProdigalJunkMail]

54. what in the fuck are you yammering about??? babies? n/t

[Touchdown]

59. An app that Apple pulled from the store.

It simulated shaking a baby. They pulled it after consumer pressure convenced them it was in real bad taste... then they were criticized for doing it by those channelling Mel Gibson, screaming "FREEDOM!"

[ProdigalJunkMail]

61. tacky...yep...something we agree on...

i don't know if they should have pulled it though unless something was wrong with the code. people have a right to be tacky...even shitty...

sP

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

152. I see you're eager to reply to everything I post here... except post #79, just above.

I wonder why.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

163. I mean, below. -nt

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

79. Neither Microsoft nor Linux can prevent PCs from running baby-shaking apps.

Ditto for Google and Android phones.

For that matter, neither does Apple for Mac computers (as opposed to iPads and iPhones).

Anybody can develop an app for anything and distribute it in any way they please, and people can run them on their non-mother-may-I computers and tablets and cellphones.

Does that make them evil? Or uncool?

[Touchdown]

167. Replied. Happy now?

It tok 27 hours to jail break the iPad. iPhone's have been that way for more than a year. You want your adolescent apps, you have a way of doing it, and I don't see Apple throwing you in a gulag over it.

Evil? Really?
Is Apple...
Poisoning our water supply?
Tainting our meat?
Polluting our air?
Dumping sewage into our rivers?
Bribing congress for special favors?
Getting bailouts because they're too big to fail?
Gambling with other people's pension funds?
Spewing oil into the Gulf of Mexico?
Using a levy-broken flood as an excuse to displace poor people?
Losing a pallet load of cash?
Slaughtering entire villages of Iraqis?

What is your definition of "evil", honestly?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

170. Ah, jailbreaking. The process Apple goes to great lengths to punish you for.

Evil? Evil is like hot. Only because there's such a thing as molten lava, doesn't mean Arizona shouldn't be called "hot".

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

132. I never actually figured out how they got the real baby into the phone.

I hope apple let it out.

[Lyric]

52. They were never cool to begin with?

:shrug:

[eShirl]

63. Never was cool, but neither was Microsoft.

They both have, and have had, their own niches of suck.

Linus Torvalds, on the other hand, is so cool that nobody knows who he is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds

[Touchdown]

65. It wasn't a "mis-placed cellphone". It was stolen property.

That the Gizmodo boy purchased knowing it was stolen. Apple does not own the cops, and they didn't send cops anywhere. The cops did that on their own, and this "freedom of the press" BS is just silly justifications for being caught buying stolen goods.

Coolness has nothing to do with the police investigating a felony by seizing computers.

The Yahoo author is a lying little twerp, who's link trolling.

[Canuckistanian]

72. I never thought they were cool

Sure, they had good ideas, but their secrecy, exclusivity and price were way overblown for me to consider buying one of their products.

I want stuff to have functionality at a low price. And it's got to have flexibility.

Apple products have NEVER had that.

[rucky]

76. As soon as the guy on the ad started dating Drew Barrymore.

[miyazaki]

82. after jobs and woz left the garage. n/t

[Generic Brad]

87. Apple became uncool as soon as I bought one

I am the ultimate corporate buzz kill.

[depakid]

93. LOL

Sounds familiar.

[eShirl]

108. +1

[X_Digger]

97. 1984 was a cautionary tale, Steve, not a user manual.

You'd think the company that used the idea to introduce the mac would understand that.

[Touchdown]

105. Really? Room 101/O'Brien 1984? That one?

They run an online store for hardware they also make, and they seek to guide the image their products have. Yeah, that's indistinguishable from a torturing, party run police state where the main character gets a bullet in the back of the head.

Insanity!:rofl:

[X_Digger]

107. So it was good enough for their commercial..

.. but when the comparison goes the other way, "Of course there's no comparison! Don't be ridiculous!"

*snort*

[Touchdown]

112. It was an advertisement. Yours is an allegation alluding to actual tyrrany.

You never heard of hyperbole in advertising?

Are you still outraged by people squeezing the Charmin?

[X_Digger]

138. Struck a nerve, eh?

The 'we will control your devices' line doesn't smell so sweet when turned about, does it?

[Touchdown]

140. In order to strike a nerve, you'd have to say something reality based.

Try again.

[NashVegas]

99. When People Who Couldn't Do Business W/Jobs Got Pissed And Started a PR War

It happens on a regular basis, the latest flare-up is Adobe freaking out because the new gear won't support Flash.

[Touchdown]

106. Flash won't work on any portable device.

It isn't ready for prime time yet. It's just that Google, HP, Nokia and others aren't as honest about it as Jobs is.

[KittyWampus]

103. WTF is this, anyway HIGHSCHOOL? I don't care about coolness. Just whether my computer works.

[KonaKane]

110. It's amazing that operating systems have become the next political parties.

sheesh.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

124. Its never was about the OS, at least for me. Apple really wasnt on the dark side unitl the iPhone

That is when they started controlling which apps you could run on hardware they no longer owned. Sort of like Monsanto and GM seeds

[Touchdown]

126. The Monsanto analogy is false.

I'm more inclined to see it as Apple sells you a nice house in a clean neighborhood, and some shyster developer comes along and wants to put an old Camaro on cinder blocks in your front yard.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

128. So Apple is just a HOA for the iPad then...

Developers as shysters...thats truly amusing.

[Touchdown]

143. You don't have the high ground on this.

Claiming it is what's truly amazing.

[KonaKane]

141. For me it's just about what works best for the job. Pragmatism.

.

[Sultana]

111. Apple is forever cool

[Touchdown]

118. When IBM released the G5 processor. That thing ran too hot.

... that they couldn't put it into any of the Powerbooks. The G5's problems as well as delays developing it's replacement facilitated Apple's migration to Intel chips in the mid-2000s.

[bamacrat]

121. Still cool and in the personal electronics world will always be the coolest.

Protecting the quality and security of your product is not uncool.

[smalll]

129. When conspicuous consumption by people with money to burn became uncool?

(Um, the economy?)

Especially when the consumption is most conspicuous amongst the most gratingly nasally smug, gentrifying, $5-a-coffee pseduo-"creative" overpaid hipster/yupster trendsluts?

Sayin'.

[Orsino]

136. Companies aren't cool--but products and commercials occasionally persuade us otherwise. n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

145. Apple was cool? Buying ANYTHING because others think it's cool guarantees your uncoolness.

Gee I wanna pay double for a computer because some of my friends think it's cool!

Um... Okay.

[Initech]

147. Totally agree!!

Buying shit doesn't guarantee your coolness at all, it just means you spend money.

[slackmaster]

146. In about 1983, when they decided to go the proprietary route rather than open

[panzerfaust]

149. Yep. When the Mac came out was thinking of buying one - till I discovered that

simply opening the case would void the Apple warranty.

Am pretty sure that the first computer I built up was in either 82 or 83. Did not care Beans for Apple's attitude then, or now: But then, have never been one of the 'rest of us'

[RedCappedBandit]

155. My macbook was the worst performing computer I've ever owned

My iPod frustrated me to no end on many levels, from its physical design to being forced to use the garbage software iTunes.

That, combined with the fact that they're pricier than alternatives for no real reason, solidified my decision to not support Apple anymore.
Plus, I like the freedom associated with PCs.. I'd much rather build my own than pay for a name, be it dell or apple or whatever.

[TommyO]

159. Using EFi-X you can build your own computer and run OS-X on it

http://art-studios.net/goods/86

[Statistical]

161. Maybe even get sued by Apple too! Yeah! n/t

[TommyO]

173. It hasn't happened in the 18 months that EFi-X has been around

That said, I do own a "real" Mac Pro, but if this one needs replacing, I would consider building a decent i7 box using EFi-X and my very legal copy of OS-X 10.6.

[Statistical]

174. You don't own OS X 10.6. You never have and never will.

Just like nobody owns a copy of windows.

You have a license to install and use OS X on hardware supplied by Apple. Violation of that license is grounds for a lawsuit.
Clearly stated in the EULA which you agreed to when you opened the software and then agreed again when installing.

[TommyO]

175. And the chances of Apple filing suit against individual users is slim to none

[Statistical]

176. Chances of RIAA filing suit against people downloading songs is slim to..

er wait.

[Romulox]

157. Bought an Ipad for the wife, and another one for mom for mom's day.

I use both an Iphone and a Vista laptop on a daily basis, my games machine runs 7, and I type this on an Imac w/ Snow Leopard/ Xp Pro.

I also own a 360, a PS3, and a Wii! :wow:

[greencharlie]

160. just another corporate bully. nt

[CreekDog]

164. Sounds like the author and OP don't actually know what "cool" means

Because "cool" is not likable and "cool" doesn't mean you're nice.

Apple is "cool" because they make products their own way and set the standard for their competitors, not the other way around.

You may not like them for perhaps some very valid reasons --a lot of us wished they allowed clones of their products.

A lot of us wish their phones could be used on other networks.

A lot of us wish Itunes wasn't so limiting.

And yet, I can't think of a competing product that does what these devices do better than the Apple one (that did it first!)

And in terms of computing, all I know is that when I was younger, whether it was writing a paper or producing a map, all I needed to know was my specialty --I didn't need to know anything about computers. However on a PC, I needed to divert my attention from my specialty to know windows, or DOS or whatever --all to produce the inferior output that they produced.

Apple is "cool" by any measure because they do things well and for those who don't like them --they don't really care.

[WeDidIt]

169. The answer to that quesiton is super simple

January 3, 1977.

[TerribleLarryDingle]

171. What is up with peoples brand worship?

Do you buy products because you think they work well of because you think the company is cool? I have both PCs and Macs both serve their purpose and I could really give two shits how cool or uncool either are. I just never understood "Brand Loyalty".

[Jennicut]

172. All corporations end up being in love with greed over producing the product.

What is so special about Apple's case?