Do anti-illegals want the police and military to drag families out of their homes to deport?

[Mojeoux]

Is this what they are saying between the lines, that they want mass raids and buses of people getting dumped in Mexico?

Do they want them dragged from schools and work sites all over the country?

This would be brutal,crazy and horrific.

Do they just not think through their ideas, or is this what they really want?

[tularetom]

1. It's probably even worse than that

A lot of them want them lined up against a wall and shot.

[Catshrink]

4. That's what the loons post in the comments section on articles

on the Arizona Republics website. It's all "shoot first, ask questions later." I can't tell you how many times I've alerted on posts that use racial slurs. They do delete those.

[Mojeoux]

9. That's how they talk.

scary.
They say that shit about liberals too.

[MODem75]

12. Yep, I hear them often talk about putting mines on the border, shooting anyone that comes across.

It's just a matter of time before Missouri passes this law. There are so many racists here it makes me sick.

[Raine]

18. Yup,they have ceased to be human to them

they're responsible for all this country's problems and they would just as well have them killed. :-( It makes me sick. :cry:

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. The only thing I have ever heard them say

is "Which part of illegal do you NOT understand?"

Not really an answer to your question. Sorry.

[Bluebear]

3. That sounds like a mild version of what their fantasy probably is

[niceypoo]

5. Yes, this is the goal

Harass brown people until they dont come back. In the Dominican Republic the government will drive around, forced loading up everyone they come across who looks Haitian. They then drive them to the border and frog march them across, regardless of wether they are Dominican citizens or not. This is the goal in Arizona.

[izquierdista]

6. They want 'lebensraum'

I'm sure they have a precedent in mind. When the Jews were sent off to concentration camps, ethnic Germans from the East had lots of houses to choose from. I'm convinced that they have thought it through and come to the same conclusion.

[Mojeoux]

30. I've never thought of that. That people want to take the property that undocumented

people own.
Someone mentioned the witch trials.

Women who were single that owned property were regularly accused by relatives and people with obvious greedy and negative incentives.

This post has creeped me out. I am sorry to hear about Missouri.

I've lived in New Mexico and California for the past 40 years and Spanish people lived here over a century before white Europeans moved here.

Arizona is populated with many original Spanish families.

People forget that and think all Latinos are some kind of immigrant.

[Dems to Win]

7. Let's start with the lawbreakers in state and local jails

The SF sheriff was being interviewed on the radio last week and said that last year, San Francisco notified ICE of 12,000 foreign nationals lacking valid visas in the local jail were available to be picked up. ICE actually came and picked up 1,200.

10% of the people, who have no right to be in the US, who've been convicted of crimes and were ready for release were picked up for deportation by ICE. ONLY 10%!!!

90% of the illegal residents who had committed crimes in SF were released into the city.

Just imagine how much safer poor neighborhoods would be if the gangbangers illegally in the country were deported when found to have committed a crime. Most of the people living in those poor neighborhoods terrorized by gangs are Latino.

Anyone convicted of DUI should be deported if a foreign national without a valid visa. But they are not, because ICE won't pick them up from local jails.

I welcome legal immigrants. But in order to continue to be a country that welcomes legal immigrants, the federal government MUST enforce the immigration laws. Let's start by deporting the obvious troublemakers -- the ones who commit crimes in our communities.

[Mojeoux]

8. This makes sense DemWin

Perfect sense. Why the hell don't violent criminals get deported?
WTF???

Not just guys with no US id, but people who are committing crimes, people convicted of crimes should be in their home country, in jail.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

11. I agreewith getting the bad eggs out immediately

[EFerrari]

29. Immigrants don't commit more crimes than any other group,

if anything, undocumented immigrants stay as far into the shadows as possible. Plus, study after study shows that police stop black and brown people 8-10 times more frequently than white people. It's fine to say deport lawbreakers but the reality of our racist criminal justice system isn't that simple.

There are a lot of pretty helpless people that get picked up who don't complain about their bad arrests because they are afraid of deportation.

The more you impose immigration duties on local law enforcement, the more often, not less often, this will happen.

[WolverineDG]

10. yes that is precisely what they want nt

[RobertPlant]

13. if they did that it would be called the gestapo n/t

[Mojeoux]

14. Illegal immigrant does't mean "Criminal," despite what they say.

I don't believe in parole for certain sexual offenses.
I am hard nosed about safety for kids and vulnerable people.

I hear about people criminally exploiting illegals all the time.
Sexual slavery, slave labor house keeping, babysitting are just few of the ways these people are used.

I do think that if a person has been convicted of a violent crime (not just being an illegal immigrant) they should be deported.

[political_Dem]

15. Like the "Know-Nothings" they are, their ideas area dangerous and venturing on genocide.

That's why I will never be truly convinced that this entire movement is only based on undocumented workers crossing the border. It says a lot about race more that some care to admit.

P.S. Language is especially the case when this issue is discussed. A century ago, the n-word was used in print and by the intelligencia when describing Black people. Today, "illegal(s)" takes the same place. That's why I find the word, "illegal(s)" rather problematic in its use in print, broadcasting and common speech. I rather wince whenever people use it around me, despite the fact that First Amendment rights are in order.

[Mojeoux]

19. I guess "undocumented" ?

I think If the American Corporations stopped out-sourcing and we became a manufacturing power again, this issue would have less viciousness.

[political_Dem]

21. On the account of the American corporations, I would certainly hope so.

As for the use of of the word "illegal(s)": it ultimately is down to the decision of the speaker whether their conscience sits well with the usage of such a word to describe a group of people--especially when putting this in context with other racial pejoratives in the past. That's all.

For the most part, most people won't care and will fight bitterly to use this term.

To be honest, I don't think that a lot folks think about how the word "illegals" is used because it has been echoed by politicians, public figureheads and popular culture. There is nothing benign whenever this word is used--especially when it is attached with violence, aggression and oppression.

In this matter, I've voiced my feelings about using this word. I do not ever presume to be the "Word Police". I don't want to be.

But, this is just food for thought for people to ponder the context of how this word is used and to whom it describes.

[Mojeoux]

34. Thumbs Up to You PD

I agree and I take what you say to heart.

Also the word "illegal" falls onto that stupid,

"What part of 'illegal don't you understand?"

[UndertheOcean]

16. That is the gist of their wet dreams , yes ...

[SoCalDem]

17. in a word... yes.. n/t

[MIprogressive1]

20. Yup, a kid in my class said that they broke the law coming here

and that they don't deserve to stay because they knowingly broke the law. Repukes have no compassion!

[havocmom]

22. History channel show on witches in history mentioned the accusations in times of plagues

Societies seem to need scapegoats.

It hit me, watching that program, that is what's going on now. Bad time, societal unrest, people in power need to focus masses on scapegoats, lest they turn on the people in charge and actually hold them responsible for bad times.

We are seeing irrational mob mentality spreading. There are easily identifiable groups of people who make easy (albeit, unfair) targets, just like in the 'olden days'. And times now are not good.

Things that make me go 'hmmmmmm'

[Mojeoux]

23. If we elected Obama, that means that racism doesn't rule Right? nt

[havocmom]

24. One would think, but it seems to have stirred up a lot of the latents

We may have had enough non-racists to win in 08 (and frankly, that surprised me) but seems the number of racists is not as low as we thought.

Hard times brings more fear and the GOP has been nurturing both fear AND hard times for years, as a means to an end. They created this mob and it seems the mob now controls the creator.

There seem to be some people who think they can go back to the days when (white) men were men, women were intimidated and people of color were just not considered human. As the American worker falls closer to Third World status, the real rulers will need scapegoats to point to as the problem, lest people notice who is really getting all the cream while the rest of us scramble for spoiled milk.

[Mojeoux]

32. I agree with you that this new millennium racism is insidious.

Just since Obama was elected, the crazy health care rallies and the whack-ass "birther" and teabag movement has exposed racism that I never thought would dare to show it's ugly face.

I would like to see a photo shop chop of the faces of the people screaming at the little black kids after the "Brown vs. The Board of Education," and the teabag screamers of today.
Their facial expressions and body language are the same.

[krabigirl]

26. Yep. Also, it's easier to blame others than to look at what they may have done...

I know far too many people who spent wildly and took out huge heloc s during the housing boom...many of theseeople blame "illegals" for their economic woes.

[havocmom]

27. Yeah, but worse that taking out more loan than they should have was bad voting

Too many voters just didn't pay attention for too long and we ended up with the government they deserve. Sadly, we all get robbed by the sociopaths at the top of the food chain. And they are the same people who want us to focus on the scapegoats instead of noticing how THEY fucked us and the economy.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

25. I can't wait to see a Mexican American in the White House!

Someday it will happen and when it does, Arizona better watch out.

[Mojeoux]

28. The Governor of New Mexico is smart and "disarming."

The presence of a winner, and great ideas.

To be disarming is a talent.

I see a future for him.

[EFerrari]

31. A Look at the Forces Behind the Anti-Immigrant Movement

We take a look at the forces behind the anti-immigrant movement with journalist Max Blumenthal of The Nation. Blumenthal says the ideas for the movement "did not come from a vacuum and they’re not necessarily a rational response to a crisis. They come from the white nationalist movement, a movement that seeks to maintain what they consider the white character of then United States."

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/5/2/a_look_at_the_forces_behind

Fyi

[William Z. Foster]

33. yes, of course

That is exactly what people want, and it is exactly what is already happening.