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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:24 PM
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Blind woman abandoned on airplane
A blind woman from Vancouver Island is not sure she'll ever fly alone again after she was forgotten by flight attendants and locked in a deserted plane at Chicago's O'Hare Airport.

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The 18-year-old was born blind and this was her third time flying by herself, so she thought she was familiar with some of the routines.

"I was instructed by the flight attendant to wait until everybody else got off the plane," said Cabot, 18, in an interview with CBC News from Jacksonville.

"That's what they tell me every time so I didn't think anything of it."

She said she heard the other passengers leave and then the unmistakable sound of the aircraft door being sealed shut.

"And then, just complete silence. And I started calling out with no response."

That's when she realized she was alone, she said. She had no idea how to open the plane's door or whether that would be a safe thing to do.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/05/13/bc-blind-woman-plane-cabot.html#ixzz0o2Vn5JNC
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:25 PM
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1. I hope she peed all over the pilots seat n/t
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:27 PM
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2. ...
:scared:
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:27 PM
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3. Why did they not do a walkthrough?
I can see leaving your laptop in your seat, but this was a PERSON.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 06:38 PM
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22. Maybe person charged with walkthrough met a hot prospect en route?
In a rush to get somewhere else?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 06:43 PM
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23. Ah, United airlines. They make life such hell for employees, employees are maxed out too often
Mad employees = bad customer relations, but United just doesn't get it about job stress and customer relations.

There has long been a site for employees to vent, and employees/passengers to get a bit of info on rights at http://untied.com Always an interesting bunch of info and blown whistles.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:28 PM
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4. Love the lying apology that was issued
"We apologized to Ms. Cabot for the delay in providing her an escort, and have taken action with our employees and vendors at O'Hare to ensure this does not happen again,"

'Scuse me, it wasn't a delay in providing her an escort that's the problem, it's that you completely forgot about her and locked her onboard an empty plane you dumbfucks.
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:32 PM
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10. No, no. It was a delay. The maintenance crew was to be her escort.
snip...
She said she was stuck for 10 minutes, uncertain what to do, but was found by a maintenance crew that happened to enter the aircraft.



Yea, Yea, That's the ticket.


:sarcasm:


Poor girl. She must have been scared to death.

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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:43 PM
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13. The people that vacuum the carpet, replenish the barf bags & take out the trash.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:46 PM
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15. Hell, if it was me, I would have gone up to the pilot's cabin
And started flipping switches until I either got the radio going or fired the plane itself up. That would have gotten their attention.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:27 PM
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26. She is blind. She was afraid to touch the door. I can emphasize.
She has never seen a picture of a cockpit, much less know what to do if she reached it.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:29 PM
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5. Holy crap! That is unforgiveable...!! Why wasn't she let off FIRST!!???
Edited on Sat May-15-10 05:30 PM by BrklynLiberal
"Her family complained about the incident to United Airlines, which gave Cabot a $250 voucher for future travel."

They must be F***in kidding!! Why should she EVER step foot on another United plane again. I hope she sues their asses off!!
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:31 PM
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9. +1,000,000
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 06:45 PM
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24. People who need assistance are usually first on, last off
The human stampede as people push and shove to deplane is no place for anyone needing some help.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:29 PM
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6. Given the airlines today, I'm not surprised, not at all... n/t
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:29 PM
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7. United Airlines Statement
What kind of crap is this?

"We apologized to Ms. Cabot for the delay in providing her an escort, and have taken action with our employees and vendors at O'Hare to ensure this does not happen again," the statement said.


Locking her in a plane obviously = "delay in providing an escort".

I hope the family sues the daylights out of them based on this response alone.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:34 PM
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11. Wouldn't she have to prove harm
for a viable suit? It was awful that the airline did this to her but I don't see where she was substantively harmed.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:41 PM
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12. Correct

10 minutes of being locked in the plane. Unless she's developed a treated condition as a result, there's not much to sue over
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:45 PM
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14. I am not an attorney, but I would think there would be SOME negligence involved
What if it had been an unattended child waiting for an escort?

I hope they have some redress.

Poor girl.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 06:20 PM
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17. but negligence itself is not (as I understand it ) actionable unless it results in harm
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:28 PM
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27. PTSD. Whatever. Find something.
Edited on Sat May-15-10 08:28 PM by Ruby the Liberal
They should be accountable.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:48 AM
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38. look, they screwed up. but this is hardly the crime of the century
and their apology sucked, but I don't see that 10 minutes alone on an empty plane on the tarmac is grounds for a suit unless this young woman can prove damages. And that will be nigh on impossible. I don't think she should sue. I very much doubt she'd prevail.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 03:50 PM
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41. Accountable for what?
It was scary, but she was fine. Nobody was hurt.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 05:30 PM
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8. I'm glad it didn't last longer than 10 minutes.
That had to be a terrifying experience.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 06:17 PM
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16. Law-suit city!
I hope United is stung big time on this one.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 06:22 PM
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18. unlikely. Unless she can prove harm
like she developed PTSD or something, she doesn't have a case. Yes, the airline screwed up, but a law suit over it seems pretty ridiculous.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 06:25 PM
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19. I agree,
but this is the kind of case where you hope the airline has enough sense to decide on its own to provide some sort of compensation.
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 07:40 PM
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25. Maybe so..
Perhaps monies lost from a lawsuit would ensure this kind of thing dosen't happen again. :shrug:
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katzenjammers Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 06:34 PM
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21. What a crappy society this would be if we couldn't sue someone every time we're inconvenienced.
...
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:34 PM
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30. Locking a blind person on a plane is an 'inconvenience' to you?
Please define negligence...
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:56 PM
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32. Negligence
Duty, breach, causation, damages

All four elements must be proven to successfully bring a suit for negligence.

Duty - carrier had a duty to the passenger

Breach - that duty was breached

Causation - the breach was the direct (or proximate in some cases) cause of the ensuing damages

Damages - the passenger suffered specific harm in some way, monetary, physical or psychological


Well, she doesn't seem to have suffered monetary harm. If she suffered physical harm, it would be fairly straightforward. If she has suffered psychological harm, it's more problematical and more difficult to prove that a span of ten minutes could result in significant psychological harm.

I feel terrible for the girl too and think United sucks for not doing more to make amends but you can't just sue because you're pissed off - you need to have actually suffered damages. The court's are clogged enough as it is.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:58 PM
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33. Thanks
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katzenjammers Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 03:56 PM
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43. What part of unfortunate oversight is too abstruse for you?
Jesus, some of the people here are behaving like the airline DELIBERATELY went out of its way to terrify this kid...that's just goofy. People make mistakes, that doesn't automatically justify lawsuits...aren't we supposed to be AGAINST that kind of shit???

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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:33 PM
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29. They offered $250 off a future flight
How much you wanna bet it came with "drop it" conditions?
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katzenjammers Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 06:32 PM
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20. How terrible! I mean, we all know blind people are helpless without constant attention.
:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 08:31 PM
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katzenjammers Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 03:42 PM
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40. I was told this forum was a refuge for progressive and intelligent people.
Apparently my friend lied to me.

Yeah, let's just treat every 'challenged' person as a helpless invalid who can't ever deal with a little discomfort.

If that's a rule to be a member here, I sure as hell don't want any part of it.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:28 PM
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50. Bye
"can't ever deal with a little discomfort."

Not quite the same as being locked in an aircraft.

You goose and duck.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:31 PM
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51. SHE WAS LOCKED ALONE ON A PLANE. BLIND.
Edited on Sun May-16-10 04:32 PM by WinkyDink
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:36 PM
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53. Who cares? (That's to your "don't want any part of " DU.)
Edited on Sun May-16-10 04:37 PM by WinkyDink
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 09:01 PM
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34. Perhaps you are helpless without attention? (nt)
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 03:58 PM
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45. I think you nailed it!
:rofl:
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 11:54 PM
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36. Did you read the part about the flight attendants instructing her to wait?
She followed their request. How does that make her helpless?

:shrug:
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katzenjammers Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 03:53 PM
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42. My 'helpless' comment was meant to be in jest. My 38 year old son blind since age 5
flies and is told the same thing normally. He has very good hearing and knows when the other passengers have left the area of his seat. There is, I believe, more to this story...blind people are NOT helpless and I think there are people here who want us to treat them as if they were. To the extent there was a breakdown in communication, I find it virtually inconceivable that this young lady would freak out after a few minutes of relative silence without taking some action. Perhaps she lacks the skills to function the way most blind folks mainly take for granted...
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:08 PM
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46. "Perhaps she lacks the skills to function the way most blind folks mainly take for granted..."
There you go --a valid reason why THIS blind person may have needed assistance even though your son would have managed just fine.

She's only 18 and may have lead a far more sheltered life than your son and other blind people who were provided with the supports necessary to learn how to function independently.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:34 PM
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52. Why are you coming down so hard on a blind 18-yr-old girl in a UNIQUE situation?
HOW DO YOU OR YOUR SON KNOW HOW HE WOULD HAVE REACTED?????
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katzenjammers Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:08 PM
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54. I didn't mean to 'come down' on her. The story QUOTED her as saying
"That's what they tell me every time so I didn't think anything of it."

That seems to indicate she considers herself a reasonably well seasoned traveler, EVEN for a blind person. "Every TIME"??? Would she even say that if she was uncomfortable?...I don't think so.

Nobody here seems able to respond to my question...why should we treat 'blind' people as being more or less helpless? Isn't that the very OPPOSITE of how progressive Democrats are putatively required to think????????????

I feel like I'm in Alice's Wonderland here...


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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 06:13 PM
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55. Please understand, you're a low post count newbie,
so any poorly thought out posts will result in a pig-pile-on.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-10 09:11 PM
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35. Sounds to me like she needed a cell phone...
...if she had a cell phone on her she could have called someone. She could have called United, or the airport she was at, or the local police for assistance.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:44 AM
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37. K&R
United Airlines is the only company that I am aware of, which seems to actively hate their customers -- and yet at the same time they are somehow able to remain in business.

- Their company motto should say: "United Airlines: we don't give a shit what you think, either give us your money or fuck off!!!"


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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 03:56 PM
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44. why does a blind person have to be the last to leave the plane?
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:16 PM
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47. The noise and jostling
can be fairly disorienting. We always wait until concerts are fairly emptied out before we leave with my little sister because people bumping her in ways that we might not even notice can throw her senses off.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:18 PM
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48. Oh, I see. Thanks for the info.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-10 04:21 PM
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49. Sounds like someone missed that last item on the check list.

And they only gave her $250 and a lame apology for "delayed" escort.

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