If you advocate jailtime, beheadings, whatever for BP executives, what about drunk drivers?

[newtothegame]

We advocate involuntary manslaughter at most for those who WILLFULLY get behind the wheel drunk and kill an entire family, yet we want to behead people in the offices at an oil company? :shrug:

[Rabrrrrrr]

1. Jail for BP, execution for drunk (and texting/cell-phoning) drivers.

[Vincardog]

2. drunk drivers are already prosecuted. Where is the justice for Drunk on Power executives?

[Fla_Democrat]

3. c'mon now, be fair

the same people would advocate for beheadings for drunk drivers, litter bugs, people who turn right on red.. as long as they were CEO's :evilgrin:

it's not the what, it's the who.

[CC]

4. I advocate for longer jail times for drunk drivers

and even more for serial drunks drivers and if they kill someone it should be homicide. In this day and age they know they could kill and just ignore it. Spending an hour and a half awake, aware, crushed, upside down in a car then dieing is just as brutal and painful a death as any murder. Having a car land on you while you are on your couch watching TV, crushing and burning you is just as invasive and painful and any home invasion that leads to death. They also leave the same grief, anger, pain and questions as any other kind of homicide.

When corporations have all the rights of person-hood then those leading corporations should be held liable and suffer the same consequences as any individual person. This includes jail time for bad decisions that impact the individual. Especially when it involves causing death.

[blueamy66]

11. Jail obviously doesn't work.

Look at the stats.

How about rehab and therapy?

[CC]

12. Unfortunately I am a stat on the victim side.

Rehab them while in jail. So far seems to of worked for the guy that killed my son. But then again he was sorry from the get go. The guy that killed a friend's son around the same time still doesn't see what the problem is or why it is his fault. The other difference, the driver killed my son served 5 years in prison with alcohol counseling and AA available in prison and took advantage of it. The guy killed HC's son got 3 months work release then probation. He has been caught driving under the influence, without insurance, without a license, without valid tags repeatedly since and is still out and about. All that separates you from him or someone like him is a yellow line. They keep sending him to rehab, it keeps failing. Maybe when he kills another kid (J was 15 and walking) they will decide to lock him up for a few years.
I look at it this way, at least as long as they are locked up they aren't driving.

[blueamy66]

19. I guess that I am a victim as well.

Not to take anything away from your experiences...not at all.

My brother repeatedly drove while drunk. They sent him to MADD, jail and the state sponsored "drinking classes". Nothing worked. He needed intensive therapy, of which none was available. My father needed some education too, so to not enable him.

Anyway, he drank himself to death at 35.

Something needs to change. Alcoholics and drug addicts are SICK. We need to find out what works for each case individually...not lump everyone into the same class, sending them to the same worthless state sponsored shit.

I am sorry for your loss. I am sorry for your friend's loss. And I'm sure that nothing that is written on a forum will change your mind.

I hope that you find peace.

[CC]

23. Actually you are

and I hope have found peace with it too. I have found peace and forgiveness but it doesn't stop me from working hard to prevent other deaths. I have participated in enough meetings, conferences, etc. to know there is no one answer to the problem and no one size fits all solution. It is very sad to sit with drug and alcohol counselors and learn how hard it is on everyone and how hard it is to get to recovery and stay with it. So many I have talked to are strong proponents of jail time for DUI even for first time offenders.

[Odin2005]

5. Reckless homicide of 1 or 2 people verus the premeditated rape and murder of Earth?

[noiretextatique]

6. the problem is: the wealthy can buy their way out of anything

including a drunk driving conviction. it's regular people who end up in jail.

[Xipe Totec]

7. A lot of drunk drivers self administer decapitation nt

[Forkboy]

8. Personally, I don't advocate the death penalty for anyone.

Be it BP execs or drunk drivers.

[Edweird]

9. I'm ok with that. I think the punishment meted out for vehicular violence

is woefully inadequate. People literally get away with murder.

[depakid]

14. 10 to 20+ years is woefully inadequate?

I guess looking at this thread, it's no surprise that the US has the world's largest and most expensive prison system that ending up bankrupting many states.

But hey, gotta have that pound and pound of flesh- gotta satiate that outrage, no matter what the cost.

[Edweird]

20. It's rarely that much. Many deaths only result in a traffic ticket - if that.

Like I said - people literally get away with murder.

[damntexdem]

10. No, not drunk drivers -- they might be so drunk they'd miss the BP executives.

;-)

[flvegan]

13. Beheadings, or executions in general are for emotionally driven idiots.

That don't understand economics or punishment.

[underseasurveyor]

15. God I would never wish to see BP execs jailed or beheaded

But by via remote cameras, many of them cuz I want to watch from every angle possible.... I want to watch as these people stuffed into the pipe to plug it:evilgrin: Yep that'll do'er for me... THEN I might be satisfied..maybe:-)
FUCKERS! These people are every bit as greedy and evil as the bush/cheneys ever were and still are.

Now drunk driving.... Sitting in jail for a long long time seems fitting enough.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. "we" want to behead people?

Really? Wow. Who knew!

:shrug:

[readmoreoften]

17. It's called "faulty analogy." And it's a logical fallacy generally taught in high schools.

Apparently not yours.

[Sherman A1]

18. +1, Agreed & Well Said!

[Dr Morbius]

22. Um, while I agree with your larger point, I don't think it's taught in most high schools.

More's the pity, actually.

[branders seine]

21. drunk driving laws are a scam