Abortion foes capitalize on health care law

[saracat]

What a surprise!


Abortion foes capitalize on health care law
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_overhaul_abortion

Abortion opponents fought passage of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul to the bitter end, and now that it's the law, they're using it to limit coverage by private insurers.

An obscure part of the law allows states to restrict abortion coverage by private plans operating in new insurance markets. Capitalizing on that language, abortion foes have succeeded in passing bans that, in some cases, go beyond federal statutes.

"We don't consider elective abortion to be health care, so we don't think it's a bad thing for fewer private insurance companies to cover it," said Mary Harned, attorney for Americans United for Life, a national organization that wrote a model law for the states.

[dkf]

1. This is Bert Stupids legacy. What a creep.

[Viking12]

2. Where are the teabaggers opposing this? Shouldn't they be yelling, "get the govt of my health care"

[saracat]

4. And again people unrecc information? Geez. Folks need to know this!

With many of the states passing such egregious anti-choice legislation this is important to know.We cannot turn a blind eye to this. Unless of course choice isn't an important issue anymore. With many womenunable to getnecessary abortions in some states and birth control now under fire ,I would hope that is not the case.

[waiting for hope]

3. This is going to come back and bite

them on the ass come November. The main reason I joined the dem party when I turned 18 because it was the party that protected a woman's right to choose. Sadly, I guess that is gone now.

Here is the complete link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_overhaul_abortion

K&R

[saracat]

6. Thanks. I fixed it on the OP too. Can you believe people would unrec this?

Women really are expendable aren't they? I remember a time on DU this would have provoked outrage and people would fight back.

[Bluebear]

11. "Our side" did it so it's all OK.

[Nikki Stone1]

21. Yes I can.

Lots of kiddies with no idea about issues.

[jp11]

8. It doesn't make abortion illegal so the party hasn't changed on that

A woman can still get an abortion she just couldn't use the insurance paid for by taxpayers to cover it as I understand this. This is not a reverse on the legality of abortion anywhere just on the coverage aspect of it, which as I understand was something that kind of couldn't be avoided since republicans are against it the only way to get the bill done was to add in BS policies to limit or deny covering abortions.

To me 'this is going to come back and bite them on the ass come november' means voters are going to choose republicans who by in large are against abortion, are the reason these provisions are in place in the first place, and are not going to fight for a woman's right to choose, huh? OR it means they are going to vote for independents who will likely lose and take the democrat in the race with them by splitting the ticket, which again delivers the victory to the republican how does either of those situations help a woman's right to choose, that isn't in jeopardy?

[waiting for hope]

9. Page 50 0f the Dem Platform:

http://www.democrats.org/a/party/platform.html

Choice

The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.

The Democratic Party also strongly supports access to comprehensive affordable family planning services and age-appropriate sex education which empower people to make informed choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions.

The Democratic Party also strongly supports a woman's decision to have a child by ensuring access to and availability of programs for pre- and post-natal health care, parenting skills, income support, and caring adoption programs.

Keeping it legal does not mean that women will have access - which goes against the very principal laid out in the platform. Spin it all you want, but having limited and or no access because it isn't affordable makes keeping it legal irrelevant.

[saracat]

13. We have quite a few Pro-Life democrats despite our platform and

those Democrats vote against choice. Many women may choose to sit home rather than vote for them>I would NEVER vote for an anti choice Dem. And while it appears that most GOP are anti-choice, there are some who are pro-choice andthey are beginning to make louder noises about it. Barabara and Laura Bush for exemple and Libby Dole.We may very well see more of this.
There is a Democratic Legislative Candidate in my state who is a female and has voted with the GOP to usher in some of the most restrictive anti-choice legislation in the nation and my local party is 100% behind her because they think it "helps" in an Hispanic district.If she lived in my district, I would vote against her.I wouldn't vote GOP but I wouldn't vote for her, or encourage anyone else to.

[ChiciB1]

16. Well, If ONE Were To Think Deeper It May Very Well Put These Right

in jeopardy!! If said exchanges adopt certain policies and the exchanges are the ONLY coverage a person can afford, it seems to me that it WILL compromise this situation to some extent!

Even going further, will doctors then have to use different "coding" such as one used for a D&C to be able to offer insurance covered abortions? THEN it would be up to the doctor himself as to what he is willing to do. Already I have one doctor who has decided not to take ANY health care and requires cash payments. Since he was already out of my network and I only see him for refill medications, he now only requires me to see him every 3 months instead of every month. Since the cost is only $90.00 a visit, it works for me right now. However, his other patients who see him for other things are charged $250.00 a visit.

I'm not exactly sure how much coverage or how good the coverage will be from ANY exchanges given that I don't fully comprehend ALL of the HCR Bill. I freely admit that I'm still NOT SURE about the exchanges because the HCR Bill went through SO VERY MANY dips and dives up to the final product! I wonder what the REAL percentage of people out there who really do understand all of it!

So given that THIS abortion run around is rearing it's head and states are willing to take it upon themselves to alter certain coverage, what will be coming down the pike next??

But then, I'm not one who fully supports the final bill, perhaps now with even more dissatisfaction! If Florida elects Rubio I can easily see what will happen here! Frankly I've made a decision that IF Meek can't win, then I will HAVE to support "Chawlie" myself!

Not that Meek is anything other than a DLC type himself, it could be that perhaps Crist may be to the left of Meek too!

[saracat]

23. But many do not want to look deeper ChiiB1! They are told something is

trivial, or won't matter and they BELIEVE it.

[ChiciB1]

25. Exactly!! An All Too Come Happenstance Anymore! Which Of Course Is WHY

we're in the mess we're in! I've been butting my head against the wall for more years than most people I know personally. I've even been tagged the "go to" political person in my family which says volumes because even I know there's more depth than I can provide on many issues.

I've been disgusted by the APATHY I'm seeing for way too long now, and have said so over and over! I wanted REVOLUTION to begin long ago, but was told I'm foolish! All I know for sure right now is that too many people have gotten away with too much, most of it concerning LACK OF REGULATION!!!

Some of us have been in the trenches for so long that we are just about worn out. I know you have been attacked many times here, and I myself have too! It's like a dying breed or something, but what we see replacing it is something akin to "hero worship" right or wrong!

I once thought that when "the mess" got down to the level where it ACTUALLY impacted a person's life that THEN there would be a real call for accounting or resolution! But what did we get? TEA-BAGGERS!!

I'm sure you and I both could go on and on, but the bottom line seems to be that NOT paying attention DOES matter to some of us. But for all too many they simply follow some slogan, half baked idea or of late, mostly what Palin, Limpballs, Beck, Bachmann and the like spew forth like a GOD-AWFUL oil spill! And then we have our very own Democrats who sell us down the river!!!

Yeah, got a bit long winded, but I just can't help myself!!

[booley]

5. How are these people even called pro-life?

They were perfectly fine with the millions suffering and dying for lack of health insurance.

But now that it's been forced on them, they will use it as excuse to deny women even when terminating would medically necessary?

How much life has been harmed because of these people's policies?

[saracat]

7. Pro-Life actually means Pro-Profit in this case and they are only pro-life before birth.

Once people are born they are expected to provide well to do parents for themselves or be considered lazy and negligent.You have an obligation to choose good money genetics!

[sabrina 1]

14. When the hypocrites on the right, including the rightwing of

the Democratic Party actually become pro-life as they claim to be, which means anti-war and pro a Universal Healthcare System I will pay attention to what they have to say.

But it is always the 'merchants of death' who claim to be pro-life.

I will never forget the photos of the Iraq War showing a dead, pregnant Iraqi woman. Her grieving husband had made two coffins, one for her, one for the baby. The War Supporters cheered on this carnage while demanding an end to abortion.

Sick is too kind a word for a society so into death and destruction and violence, who places so much emphasis on this one issue.

[Bluebear]

10. Thank you, Bart Stupak.

[freddie mertz]

12. Outrageous and sickening.

I suspected there would be a loophole like this.

Another massive FAIL in that wretched Frankenstein of a bill.

[jgraz]

15. K&R

[cornermouse]

17. K & R

[Greyhound]

18. K&R. Hope for Change.

[Nikki Stone1]

19. They can't make it illegal, so they are making it impossible to get.

The party has thrown us under the bus.

[riderinthestorm]

30. Impossible to get for the poor and lower middle class, women in underserved areas

who can't travel the increasingly long distances to find abortion services even if they can afford it, those who are on federal plans for various reasons (disability etc.).... I could go on and on but that circle of abortion services denial and/or lack of coverage to pay for the service is expanding and Obama's HCR compromises have been a part of that.

As before Roe v. Wade, we're going to see back alley abortions again, mark my words. Only the rich will be able to afford a safe abortion, and many, many women are going to be tragically harmed by this.

K & R.

[ChiciB1]

31. It DOES Seem As Though We're Going Backward Somehow... Just The

other day Obama was talking about IPads, IPods, Tweating & Texting as being something "out of touch" with real learning. I did feel some support for what he said, but there IS NO stopping cyber progress, and of all people I thought he knew the fact to be true.

I just don't know how all of this will pan out once HCR really starts to percolate, because I think as always Insurance Co's, Pharma and other conglomerates are going to keep this type of thing going on. Picking away a loop holes in the bill, as they've been able to do with their income tax returns. The powerful have this knack for sliding under the radar, or around it and sometimes right through it. And with all this GREAT regulation that has (ummmmmm) been put in place, "we the people" got our National Health Care we certainly wanted and deserved.

Yes, this ride is yet to be upon us and I wonder how inventive they'll get when it's all said and done. Going to re-visit I hear... I'm not holding my breath though.

:shrug:

[foxfeet]

20. K&R

[laughingliberal]

22. K & R for visibility. eom

[AllentownJake]

24. Just like immigration

When you show the enemy weakness, they will capitalize.

Chessmaster? HA.

[Spheric]

26. K&R /nt

[BlueIris]

27. K&R. nt

[Nikki Stone1]

28. .

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[Eg-ptiangirl]

29. This abortion discussions should be stopped

It is the pregnant womans decision not any one else. Personal issues should't be everyones concern.

[flyarm]

32. Thanks for the info! K&R ..where the hell is NOW and NARAL?? crickets..

where is Emily's list?

Well it will damn well be crickets from me when they want money!

I just got a survey from Emily's list in Fla and I wrote all over the form and gave them a boat load of shit for all that has gone down now under a D president and congress..and told them no more money from me..if they continue to support the shit that has now been shoved down our throats from a democratic government!

Where is Planned Parenthood?

Oh I know where they are ..they are polishing their " hope and change " trophy's!

They can all stick it up their proverbial...@$$...you know what.. as far as this former member of those organizations goes!

I may never vote again..because there is one party in this country with one money pot in the middle and they all shit in that one pot!!...and that "ONE PARTY" does not represent me! Or my democratic principles and values and what i have spent a lifetime fighting for !

Thanks for the heads up on this..it is just one more piece of shit that has been served to us on a platter!

[saracat]

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[saracat]

33. I ask myself that as well.How on earth can they justify going backwards?

And we are. None of the states would have "dared" attempt to pass the some of their egregious anti -choice legislation even twenty years ago! And as we were warned, even birth control is under attack.Pharmacists don't have to fill your prescriptions if it violates their own opinion, no matter what the medical reason for your prescription! Miscarriage can be considered a crime in Utah and everyone is just watching and the Feds have nothing to say. Hell, its an election year.Can't rock the boat. What if the GOP won't vote for you?(And they won't no matter what they say)

[progressoid]

34. WE WIN!!

oh, wait.



nevermind.