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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:21 PM
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Senator Coburn Will Filibuster War Bill Unless Paid For
Senator Tom Coburn, a Republican from Oklahoma, is committed to opposing a supplemental spending bill that includes $33.5 billion to escalate war in Afghanistan, unless the funds to pay for it are found.

On May 10th Senator Coburn wrote to his colleagues asking for their support for an amendment that would offset the new spending in this bill with cuts elsewhere. I spoke on Monday with Senator Coburn's communications director John Hart who assured me that Coburn intends to oppose the supplemental spending bill unless such an amendment is passed.

Hart said that Senator Coburn's position is that our nation is spending way beyond our means, that Congress has been violating PAYGO rules frequently (statutory rules requiring that all spending be paid for with new revenue or offsetting cuts). Hart said that Senator Coburn has frequently put holds on bills and believes this is justified in the current instance, regardless of whether he's been completely consistent in the past. The PAYGO statute makes an exception for supplemental war spending, but -- as Coburn points out -- this spending blatently violates the spirit of PAYGO.

Coburn, Hart said, wants to give the Democrats a chance to pay for the war, something that some leading Democrats have said in the past year that they want to do. Senator Carl Levin and House Appropriations Chairman David Obey said six months ago that they would not pass any more war funding without creating a "war tax" to pay for it; they proposed legislation to do just that. Chairman Obey and President Obama are also among those who have previously vowed not to use "emergency" supplemental spending bills anymore.

Hart mentioned "a lot of waste in the Department of Defense" as a place to look for offsets, itself a remarkable position to hear a Republican senator promoting. More remarkable will be seeing a Republican filibuster of a bill that includes war funding, even if it is funding to escalate, rather than to maintain, a war, and even if the opposition is based purely on financial policy. Most members of Congress who speak against wars, usually Democrats, tend to fund the wars they "oppose" on the grounds that not to do so is to "oppose the troops." Republicans in the House dismissed this criticism last June when they all voted against the previous war supplemental. Coburn dismissed it as well in his May 10th letter, printed in full below:

May 10, 2010

Dear Colleague,

I appreciate your support for the effort to pay for the $18 billion cost of H.R. 4851, the Continuing Extension Act of 2010 approved by the Senate earlier this month. I am once again asking for your support to pay for the cost of legislation expected to be considered by Congress in the coming weeks.

The Senate is expected to consider yet another "emergency" spending bill in the coming weeks. The bill could cost as much as $70 billion and will contain the annual supplemental war appropriations as well as tens of billions of dollars for a variety of other unrelated purposes, none of which will be paid for with reductions in other federal spending. Without question, we must fully meet the needs of our military men and women with the equipment and supplies they need to win and return home. But we must do so responsibly, by offsetting the full cost of the war efforts with cuts to lower-priority federal spending.

As you know, on February 12, 2010, President Obama signed into law the Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act (PAYGO). In the weeks following its enactment, the Senate has repeatedly ignored the spirit of PAYGO by borrowing $173 billion to cover the costs of new spending rather than paying for it by cutting lower priority spending. Just over a year ago, the national debt was $10.6 trillion. Today, it is $12.9 trillion, and every American owes more than $41,000.

With the federal government borrowing 43 cents for every dollar we spend, our spending is on an unsustainable course. I will, therefore, do everything I can to ensure Congress pays for the annual supplemental spending bill and plan to offer an amendment to offset the full amount of the legislation. I am open to all offset suggestions and would appreciate your support when the pay for amendment is put before the Senate for a vote.

Time and time again, Congress waits until the last minute to consider important legislation and then declares the billions of dollars in costs as “emergency” as a way to avoid making the tough decisions required to pay for the price tag. Congress can continue to borrow billions of dollars by declaring a bill an emergency to avoid paying for it today, but eventually the cost must be paid. Our nation’s $12.9 trillion debt is endangering our financial recovery, the future of our children and grandchildren who will be left paying for the bills we are incurring today, our national security, and the very freedoms of men and women in uniform are fighting to protect and preserve. That is why the real “emergency spending” is this type of irresponsible spending that is creating a true emergency for the future of our nation.

Again, I appreciate your support in the past and I hope I can count on you again as I do whatever I can to help restore fiscal discipline in Washington by forcing Congress to pay for the costs of all new spending.

Sincere Regards,
Tom A Coburn, M.D.
U.S. Senator



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LLStarks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:23 PM
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1. *deleted*
Edited on Mon May-17-10 01:44 PM by LLStarks
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:23 PM
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2. Coburn is my Senator and this is one of the very, very few times I feel he represents me.
Edited on Mon May-17-10 01:24 PM by AndyA
And after the scathing treatment he got on Rachel Maddow's show, he's got to be careful about appearing to be a hypocrite (again) by voting for war that isn't paid for after he's complained so much and pulled so many stunts on the issue.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:40 PM
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8. you have to thank him
and yes he's inconsistent and partisan and opposes spending for good things to

but this needs to be encouraged in a big way
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LiberalArkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:28 PM
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3. Sounds like a brave man
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 05:49 PM
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54. Oh for fuck's sake! A brave man would have raised the issue of an unfunded war when ...
it was a Repuke president trying to fight a war "off-budget". "Brave man" my ass!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:31 PM
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4. Here's where you can find the money
Raise taxes by a couple percent on everyone making whatever Coburn makes as a Senator and up. Also, raise taxes on capital gains above $10,000 to the full federal income tax rate.

You're brave, Mr. Coburn, but are you brave enough to tax your fatcat benefactors? Or are you just borrowing a page from the Arlen Specter School of Political Grandstanding?
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 03:22 PM
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39. Nailed the neocon bastard.
Grandstanding. Notice that he demands cuts instead of taxes. Do away with social security to fund slaughter. That's the republican way.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 03:26 PM
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40. I'd get behind cutting the Pentagon's budget by oh say HALF.
The Military Industrial Complex is the biggest horde of welfare queens on the planet.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:32 PM
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5. Much as it pains me to say it, I'm with him on this one.
Raise taxes to pay for the war. Make it a separate line item on everyone's paycheck. Watch how quickly Republicans end their support for the war.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:38 PM
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6. I can agree, but
Funny how he only became so concerned after it was a democrat in the White House.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:42 PM
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10. that's gonna be obvious to everybody i suspect
but it's still better lat than never

lieberman is only chairman who will use subpoenas and he's still an ass, but we need congress to have the subpoena power

of course everything is determined by parties, but what can we do except push for the right things when they come along
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:47 PM
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11. What is he proposing?
Is he proposing a funding source or a program cut? I suspect not, because he wants to make it uncomfortable for the democrats and the administration. Which is precisely why he didn't when Bush was around.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:05 PM
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18. Tom Coburn ...

Any political capital you give Tom Coburn will come back and bite you square in the ass.

Count on it.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:06 PM
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20. And funny how many Democrats became unconcerned at the same time
Hell...at least he is espousing some common sense that could motivate those on the right to turn against the war.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:28 PM
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25. "he is espousing some common sense that could motivate those on the right to turn against the war"
Yeah, that'll happen.

So if and when Republicans are again in the majority, you'll accept this "common sense" funding approach?

They'll cut services and fund war, but hey, it's paid for.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:31 PM
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28. Or we can just let the war go on perpetually and borrow the costs from our grandchildren
Because that seems to be the "liberal" approach...


But you and I both know that either option isn't the ultimate alternative I advocate.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:43 PM
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33. I'll give ya that one
I've been waiting for SOMEONE on the left to push some sorta funding "mitigation" package. We could have repealed the Bush tax cuts for example on the top 1%. Oh, no, "Cadillac" taxes, that's the way to go.
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 03:20 PM
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38. He did this when Bush was in office.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 03:31 PM
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41. Really?
The Senate ignored President Bush's veto threat yesterday and easily passed a $109 billion emergency spending bill for war and hurricane recovery costs that also brimmed with favors for farmers, the fishing industry, and the states of Hawaii and Rhode Island.

<...>

The Senate bill would provide $70.9 billion to the military to pay for personnel, operation and maintenance, and procurement costs, along with diplomatic efforts such as democracy-building programs. The Senate more than doubled a $58 million request for peacekeeping assistance in Sudan, providing $173 million.

Bush requested $19.8 billion in hurricane-related assistance, and the Senate responded with $28.9 billion -- adding projects large and small. Most of the money would go to flood-control projects, levee repairs, relief for residents and community rebuilding.

Coburn had singled out several of the hurricane-related projects as not urgently needed, but he had formidable foes: Appropriations Committee Chairman Thad Cochran (R-Miss.) and Trent Lott (R-Miss.), the former Senate majority leader, whose house in Pascagoula was destroyed in the storm.

Military pay and disaster aid.

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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 03:38 PM
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42. Same thing he is doing here.
You apparently wanted the taxpayers to pay for Trent Lott's house. Give him a contribution yourself if you feel that bad about it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 03:58 PM
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44. Yes, it's the same thing:
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 06:35 PM
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45. Since you feel sorry for Lott how much did you give him to repair his house?
It certainly would be hypocrisy if you didn't.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 08:03 PM
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48. Lott's house was the only one destroyed? n/t
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4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 03:48 PM
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43. Not funny, standard (R) MO
Under the guise of 'fiscal responsibility', they do all they can to strap down Democratic presidents ability to fund anything. Not that I'm defending the war, but we could have used more of this attitude years ago.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:40 PM
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7. +1000
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 06:35 PM
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56. Except that he would say that we shouldn't raise taxes either
He would say cut social programs that give money to lazy people.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:42 PM
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9. "As you know, on February 12, 2010, President Obama signed into law the Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act"
Yes, and every Republican voted against it

NAYs ---40
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Wicker (R-MS)

Typical hypocritical assholes.

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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:47 PM
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12. Excellent point
Edited on Mon May-17-10 01:47 PM by zipplewrath
And I hope someone brings this up with him.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:54 PM
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13. coburn thinks it's a way around the budget
and he is pushing for the spirit of paying for spending even though that bill has a giant loophole you can drive a war through
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:04 PM
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17. "he is pushing for the spirit of paying for spending "
He voted against PAYGO.

"coburn thinks it's a way around the budget"

The budget he opposed?

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:01 PM
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15. I thought the law was a bad idea then unless you applied it to war funding
So...heh....no biggie to me.


Pay-Go is a great idea, but a shitty law....a shittier one in times of a large recession.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 01:59 PM
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14. Great!
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:02 PM
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16. For the first time in my life I can agree with something Coburn has said or done.
Edited on Mon May-17-10 02:25 PM by unhappycamper
As long as we don't give up our social security net. . . . Yo Dems


Social programs are off the table.

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elmerdem Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:05 PM
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19. He's an opportunistic
piece of what is wrong with the system. Just because this may result in something that we like, don't make the mistake of calling one of the most arrogant hypocritical republicans in the senate 'brave'.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:10 PM
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21. It's good that a Senator publicly admits that War must take money from other initiatives. We've
been underfunding every positive aspect of Government to fund the increasingly misnamed Defense Dept with half of our admitted budget. My only question is why isn't it a Democrat who does this?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:20 PM
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22. Democrats were saying these things
It helped many get elected.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:24 PM
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23. That's right.
Edited on Mon May-17-10 02:25 PM by ProSense
The Dems' new slogan should be: As long as we can pay for war, it's okay.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:26 PM
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24. This war isn't ok period
Edited on Mon May-17-10 02:26 PM by Oregone
The funding angle is merely a tactic used to appeal to conservatives to rethink the value and cost of the conflict. Apparently though, it was only a tactic some employed to get elected.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:31 PM
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27. Really?
"The funding angle is merely a tactic used to appeal to conservatives to rethink the value and cost of the conflict."

This is Coburn's motive? Really?

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:34 PM
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29. Did I say this was Coburn's motives?
I was talking in the context of how Democrats have employed it in the past.

Coburn is using this as a tactic to save his ass and go up against the Democrats.

I give two fucks, because I don't care about the big political picture if its best results will not manifest in sane foreign policy. Whatever has to happen to end the war the quickest, with the least bloodshed is fine with me. And if that means more power for Coburn...that "chess match" doesn't concern me
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:42 PM
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32. "Coburn is using this as a tactic to save his ass and go up against the Democrats."
Edited on Mon May-17-10 02:43 PM by ProSense
"Whatever has to happen to end the war the quickest, with the least bloodshed is fine with me. And if that means more power for Coburn...that "chess match" doesn't concern me"

Coburn suggesting the Democrats find a way to fund it will do that?

"Power for Coburn"?

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:48 PM
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34. Maybe it will....maybe it wont (beats doing nothing IMO)
Making *politicians* choose between funding death by cutting social programs or ending a war just might have an impact, even if thats not his implicit intention.

Its a damn great question to bring up....that of sacrifice. Should our society sacrifice anything in time of war? And if the answer is "no", then I would suggest the war is not worth it period.

And if politicians do not think the war justifies slashing a program, or losing their seat because they have done so, then by all means, its a great incentive to make those public servants rethink continuing this war
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:30 PM
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26. His "anti" votes must be getting all confused in his head.
Republicans LOVE war. The more the better, the longer the better. Cost is no barrier if they can keep killing people. Does he realize he's now siding with us lefties?
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FBI_Un_Sub Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:36 PM
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30. One of the very few times
that I agree with Tom Coburn.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:36 PM
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31. ...just like he filibustered the bu$h* war funding, right?
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judesedit Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:57 PM
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35. My words exactly. We didn't hear a peep when Bush and Cheney PLANNED a year before 9/11 to START a
war in Iraq that was UNPAID for, killing 100,000 innocent men, women and children. Now did we? Colburn's credibility is about a -100%.
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judesedit Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 02:59 PM
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36. Coburn = incumbent = bye bye
Yea!!!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 03:01 PM
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37. Don't trust him
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 08:51 PM
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49. Well duh, he is both a Senator and a Republican - two strikes
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 07:14 PM
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46. Wow! It's hard to believe that his hypocritical, lying, Republican POS is getting kudos
from some on DU.

Sure, I'm against the wars, too. But, Coburn isn't---not really.

He's against this DEMOCRATIC president waging an unpaid-for war. Bush's war of choice was just dandy with this morally challenged ass-wipe. Every time W blew in his ear, Coburn was in the back seat with his skirt up and his panties off before you could say "WMD".

Coburn has Cheney's morals and Palin's intelligence.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 10:21 PM
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51. +1
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haele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 08:01 PM
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47. So, now he does this. Didn't he rubber-stamp Shrub's budgets and supplementals?
When a republican wants it, it's all good - "how many zeros do you want on the check?" But let a Democrat even consider something similar, and it's "damn it, no - let's see what's in your wallet first..."

He may be saying "the right thing" now, but he's still a damn hypocrite.

Haele
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 09:34 PM
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50. My problem with this is...
I have a good idea where he'd want to get the money to pay for the war

Cut social programs and gut social security
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-10 11:06 PM
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52. See! Not all Republicans are bad! Some can be quire sensible!
However, if you take away the entitlements of people who have
no other way to survive, we will have violence from simply
people having to choose between risk and starvation... not a
smart move.  Nor would it be smart to take away funds from the
drug addicts, if you want to keep your purse visible when you
go downtown...... just saying.. the desperate are paid and
cared for due to safety reasons for our citizens. 
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 05:06 PM
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53. Coburn-He was For it before he was Against it. He's FOS nt
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 05:50 PM
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55. I'm sure he sent a similar letter during Bush's initiation of these wars, right?
nt
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 06:50 PM
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57. geez yeah it really sucks
when a republican finally does something good because the president is a democrat

but the democrats all falling in line and supporting the crimes they claimed to oppose, well hey that's just part of supporting the emperor
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