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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:36 AM
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Apple won't take iPad buyer's cash
Apple won't take iPad buyer's cash


Apple wants your money -- just not the paper kind as one Bay Area woman discovered recently while trying to buy an iPad.

Diane Campbell, who is disabled on a fixed income, saved up enough cash for an iPad, according to ABC7 consumer reporter Michael Finney. She was about to plunk down $600 greenbacks at the Palo Alto Apple store for the new tablet computer when she was reportedly told the store would not accept cash. Stunned, she walked away iPad-less and with a backpack full of cash.

In fact, Apple's iPad purchase policy states the company only takes two forms of plastic that Campbell doesn't have: credit or debit cards. In other words, dollars won't work, neither will gift cards:


"iPad purchases are limited to 2 per customer and must be purchased with a Credit Card or Debit Card only."

A store clerk reportedly told Campbell the rule is meant to prevent people from buying iPads and reselling them in foreign markets. But this CNN story on a Hong Kong trader shows how some have sidestepped the policy. Campbell just wants to be able to download guitar song instructions and assures the Apple chief her purchase is legit:



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/scavenger/detail?entry_id=63811&tsp=1#ixzz0oIdjC7VI


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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:38 AM
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1. that's bullshit! i say go take your money elsewhere and buy something else.
cash should be acceptable. the only reason i could think to use a credit or debit card is that you can have buyer protection or something like that. but it's bullshit the REQUIRE it.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:49 AM
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13. I had a jewelry store refuse cash for a purchase about 20 years ago.
The store clerk couldn't give me a reason other than it was "company policy". I went somewhere else.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:41 AM
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2. Not honoring legal tender is legal? How?
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:44 AM
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6. The notes may say on them...
"This Note is Legal Tender for all Debts, Public and Private," but it unfortunately doesn't mean that the Seller of goods has to accept it as a form of payment.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 06:27 AM
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114. Actually it does,
There are reams of statutes out there stating that cash must be accepted, period. Most people, like this woman, cave or walk away. Rather they should press the issue, insist on the business taking the legal tender of the land.

Being on a cash only basis myself, I've run across this one before. If you threaten to get a lawyer involved, the business backs down because they know they don't have a legal leg to stand on.
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jpljr77 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:48 AM
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11. Apple has the right to refuse a transaction
In this case, they are refusing a transaction based on the payment method, the same way a store that does not have a card scanner de facto refuses card transactions. It's also the same as a store not willing to accept $20 in pennies for a purchase...they can simply refuse to make the sale.

So it's perfectly legal. Is it advisable? Not in my opinion. But they calculated (correctly, I would think) that 99.9% of their potential iPad customers are "banked," so they put that policy in place.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:56 AM
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20. To me it fits perfectly with the cynical Apple culture
and their whole marketing mindset. It is who they are, and who they are is not pretty.
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jpljr77 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:02 PM
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30. THAT I agree with. They are exclusionary and "premium" by design
Edited on Tue May-18-10 12:04 PM by jpljr77
in their current marketing and merchandising strategy, and that's ironic and sad given that the company's early years were driven by a desire to spread personal computing to everyone.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 04:33 PM
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103. Yep....They always have been Assholes. Even in the old days they..
...treated their employees like cattle. Their whole bullshit overprice stuff is a joke.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:53 PM
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87. Don't bet on the legality of refusing cash.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 03:16 PM
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95. There is no legal obligation to accept cash for anything.
Even debt.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:55 AM
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19. Was she there to pay a debt? No.

If you owe someone a debt, then you may satisfy that debt by tendering US dollars in satisfaction of that debt (unless the agreement specified otherwise).

She was not indebted to Apple, and they do not have to accept payment in cash.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:38 PM
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83. Even if someone owes you a debt you don't have to accept cash n/t
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:32 AM
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116. If you seek a judgment and then try to collect upon it you'll be forced to accept cash.
In satisfaction of the judgment. We can contract that I am to be paid in fruit loops, of course.
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:03 PM
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33. Update from the article about it being legal or not....
snip...

**UPDATE**: Many of you have been asking about cash being "legal tender" and whether Apple is breaking the law. As Finney points out, the U.S. Treasury Department states Apple has a right to refuse greenbacks:

There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/scavenger/detail?entry_id=63811&tsp=1#ixzz0oIkNZPum



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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 06:16 PM
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109. I wonder how many of us asked.
So if we aren't slaves to a large bank, we can't buy Apple?
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:41 AM
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3. It's the 'eBay policy.' Most cell carriers do this with 'hot' devices. Apple does this with iPhones.
Edited on Tue May-18-10 11:44 AM by onehandle
And now iPads. It's so consumers won't be outbought by mass purchasers running to eBay.

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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:44 AM
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7. Can't mass purchasers use credit cards?
I'm missing how this policy prevents mass buying for foreign markets??

:shrug:
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:34 PM
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47. At a 2 per customer limit, they'd have to have a load of credit cards.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:16 PM
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69. Wouldn't the two-per rule be enough by itself?
A cash buyer would still need to visit a ton of stores. Seems silly.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:49 AM
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12. grrrr, ebay! their blockage of other forms of payment really was sickening to discover.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:42 AM
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4. "This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private"
That's what it says on my money.

This is absolutely ridiculous, I'm surprised Apple's management would think this is a good plan.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:55 AM
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18. It isn't a debt though :) (nt)
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:56 AM
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21. Yes - did she owe Apple a debt? /nt
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:33 PM
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81. That doesn't mean what you think it does. n/t
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:42 AM
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5. Is Apple insane?
Excuses don't get much more pathetic than that.
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dems_rightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:58 AM
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25. Oviously so N/T
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:54 PM
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57. That's why they aren't selling any Ipads
:eyes:

:rofl:
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:45 AM
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8. How is that legal ? n/t
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:51 AM
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14. Simple. They don't have to sell it to you...
if they don't like your form of payment.
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:53 AM
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16. Can I tell the IRS I don't like getting my refund in Dollars ? , I prefer Euros ?
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brendan120678 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:57 AM
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22. No because that's not a sale of goods.
In your scenario, the IRS (Federal Government) is the Debtor - they owe you.
Therefore, the "All debts, public and private" applies.

In the apple store, Apple is selling you a tangible product, IF you abide by their terms of sale. If you can't abide by their terms of sale, they will refuse to sell their item.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:57 AM
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24. IRS = Federal Government. Apple = Private Company.
Different rules.
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jpljr77 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:58 AM
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26. That's an Apples/Oranges comparison there, pardon the pun n/t
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:31 PM
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80. No but you can refuse to cash the check if you want n/t
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:57 AM
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23. Applebucks are probably right around the corner
Edited on Tue May-18-10 12:05 PM by tridim
One Applebuck can be purchased for $1.49, credit card only.

Followed soon by Applepower and Applevision which requires special glasses to view Apple screens.

Anyone can purchase Applespecs, but only with Applebucks or a Apple approved credit card.

Apple is starting to suck, hard.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:54 PM
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88. Watch.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:47 AM
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9. c'mon apple - stop the surge to the implanted chip for cryin' out loud! take her damn money...
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:27 PM
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110. + 1
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:47 AM
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10. yeah, I'm gonna buy a product from a company that wants to dictate HOW I make purchases
ENJOY those toys, dumbasses :rofl:

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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:53 AM
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15. That is just un-American
the tea baggers should boycott Apple and pass a law to nationalize Apple. It is the American thing to do.

Tea Baggers unite......un-American business here
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:54 AM
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17. I'd say I'm not going to buy one now
but, I fear, I never was.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:59 AM
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27. Could she get one of those prepaid "green dot" mastercards?
It acts like a prepaid debit card. I know someone who has used them for just such an occasion.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:02 PM
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29. Those cards are a scam..
http://www.onlineverif.com/?go=pages/posts/posts&id=17289

So IMO, they are perfect for Apple (scam) transactions.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:09 PM
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38. I showed Green Dot the door last year
Edited on Tue May-18-10 12:13 PM by rocktivity
when they stopped instant posting of online payments and purchases. Account Now is much nicer--it's tied to a checking account, and they take direct deposit.

:headbang:
rocktivity
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:02 PM
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31. She can get a debit card from a bank, even with bad credit.
Sheesh! Go to the bank.

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:01 PM
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28. geez, I didn't realize that
that is stupid from a business stand point.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:02 PM
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32. What's to stop you from reselling something you bought on a card--the paper trail?
Edited on Tue May-18-10 12:05 PM by rocktivity
Is giving them away as gifts still okay?

She should have gotten someone to buy two on a card and "sell" her one.

:crazy:
rocktivity
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:07 PM
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37. They track the number of purchases with the card #. Cell phone companies do this too.
And not just with Apple products.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 05:33 AM
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113. and they can (and probably do) get MORE info on you
so they can add you to their database of customers they can spam with email & mailers:(

If the woman wants it badly enough, all she has to do is give the cash to a friend who has a card, and then have them buy it "for" her:)
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:03 PM
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34. Perhaps this is to prevent "undocumented immigrants" from getting them.
Why does Apple hate undocumented immigrants?

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:03 PM
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It's the new way.
Soon, everyone will be the same. I wouldn't be surprised if someone in Congress submits legislation to codify it, in the name of National Security.

My bet's on KAPO Joe Lieberman.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:03 PM
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35. the i-Pad is just a portal for consuming product

The thing needs a slot to put your card in, for that is what it is, a portable point of purchase device.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:10 PM
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39. They're not much different than a cell phone.
A few years from now, they'll be giving them away for free, if you sign up for a 24-month app plan.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:06 PM
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36. Although the story is a little goofy (i.e. "backpack full of cash") - Apple is idiots
for not letting people just buy the damn thing without all their rules.

Really, I'm surprised with how Apple usually has such good customer service and stuff but lately with this and with the stolen iphone thing they're really looking like scumbags lately.

and all this for such a useless device to begin with - she should just spend her money on a netbook.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:14 PM
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40. Apple are 'scumbags' because their property was stolen?
The records of the theft were unsealed late last week. It made it clear that the thieves and the blog who dealt in stolen goods are in big, big trouble.

Steve Jobs called personally to ask for the prototype back and they thumbed their noses at him.

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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:33 PM
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75. No, they *look* like scumbags because of how they handled the stolen iPhone.
Once the website review was released the damage had already been done. Therefore, Apple had 2 options:

1. go with it and use the hype and publicity to their advantage and just shrug it off for now until it is actually released. Then, quietly go after the people responsible when the news dies down a little bit.

2. act like the angry old man on the block who threatens to call the cops on you for trespassing because you walk through the corner of his yard. They had the cops beating down doors, they've threatened lawsuits against even the roommates of the guy because they didn't turn him in and stuff. Calm down Apple guys and get a publicist rather than proving how big and powerful you are when it was one of your own guys who was dumb enough to leave his iphone to get stolen anyways. I'm not saying it's ok to steal the iPhone but it is the equivalent of leaving a bag with $5,000 in it on the table so that guys got to take a lot of the blame.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 03:17 PM
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96. You probably need to know the facts of the story before you form an opinion.
... because none of that shit ever happened!
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:19 PM
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41. I'm just surprised she doesn't have a debit card
I would never want to walk around with that much cash on me.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:29 PM
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44. I think this was a setup to 'make' a story. Anyone can get a debit card. nt
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:36 PM
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48. Exactly.
I'm thinking the same. I don't have credit cards, but I do use my debit card religiously. I just wouldn't want to walk around with that much cash either.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:21 PM
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42. After thinking about this more I think this story is FAKE to just point out Apple's stupid policy.
...and the disabled woman is just the pawn to make Apple look bad.

Really, someone who is disabled and on a fixed income really thinks they need an iPad that badly and she doesn't have a credit or debit card to use?

The iPad really isn't that great of a device - since it won't take the place of your computer or your phone - so while I'm happy that someone who is disabled has saved up her cash to buy an iPad and is using her descretionary (sp?) income however she would like, the odds that she is really interested in an iPad are miniscule at best.

See, it says she wants to "download guitar song instructions" - which the iPad is too small to be useful for anyways. She can't print them from the iPad and even my 15.6" laptop has too small of a screen to show an entire screen worth of guitar instructions for a full song without scrolling. She would never actually be able to play the guitar because ever couple of lines she would have to scroll the tiny browser to see more of the song.

I'm calling bunk. The story is stupid and Apple's policy is stupid.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:25 PM
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43. It's an old story. Apple does this for iPhones too. And anyone can get a debit card.
Edited on Tue May-18-10 12:26 PM by onehandle
Go to the bank!

This 'news' has been 'reported' many times just to 'shock' people.

Cell phone carriers with 'hot devices' do this with other brands too. But it's only reported when it's Apple.

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d_r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:46 PM
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53. Not everybody can get a debit card
They do a credit check before you can open a checking account.

When I got out of grad school and got my first job they wouldn't give me one because I had bad credit score from student loans coming due before the school sent out the deferment forms. It had happened two or three times so they showed as late payments, and I didn't have a lot of other credit history so bam I had a low score. I was a brand new faculty member at a big 10 university, and I had went to the credit union for the university, because that seemed like the thing to do. The lady took my information and went to run the credit score. I'll never forget, she came back and said "you are a new employee of the university?" I said "yes" she said "are you coded as staff or laborer?" Then she took back the ATM card that she had already given me. I said I can't even have an ATM card? And she said that I couldn't with my credit score, because even an ATM card that didn't have the debit card on it would be like giving me little loans every time I used the ATM.

Not everybody can even have a checking account. Why do you think they have check cashing places? (Not just pay-day advance, but check cashing). Why do you think some folks pay with money orders?
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:59 PM
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60. So you think people carry around backpacks full of cash like in the story??
$600 wouldn't even fill up a freakin' back pack!

I'm not saying it wasn't possible, just improbable that she desires the iPad so much and doesn't even have a debit or credit card.
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d_r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:05 PM
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61. I don't really get the backpack thing
Yeah, 600 ought to go in a pocket
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:08 PM
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62. or purse or fanny pack or European carryall or wallet or......
whatever.

Maybe she saved up dollar bills and her disability doesn't allow her to stack things so her only option was to shove this massive wad of dollars into her backpack. Just trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. Maybe she's a stripper so that's why there were so many dollar bills??? :)
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #53
78. NetSpend. Anyone can get a debit card. I costs $2-5 to put money on it though
Depending on where you go, and usually $10 to get one (most check cashing places offer NetSpend).
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:52 PM
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55. I bought my IPOD using cash
so I call bunk on this
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:28 PM
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79. But the story was about the iPad, not the iPod. nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #79
89. And I am willing to bet
that if I walked into the Mac store this afternoon and offered to pay 600 for it, cash... they'd sell it. I am also willing to bet that if I walked to oh Best Buy and I offered to buy it cash, they'd sell it. Same goes for the PX... I call BS on this.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:29 PM
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45. Wonder if Apple will accept chickens? n/t
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:31 PM
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46. "guitar song instructions"... also known as "music"
Something tells me that this reporter wasn't in band in school.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #46
51. I think they're referring to guitar tablature which
will be incredibly hard for this lady to see on her tiny iPad screen while she's playing the guitar anyways.
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FreeJoe Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:37 PM
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49. My guess
My guess is that Apple makes most of its profit on iPads from purchases made on the device (songs, apps, etc). People without credit cards or debit cards don't have an easy way to make purchases on the device. That makes them unprofitable customers. Apple would rather sell the iPad to someone that makes them more money. Rather than admit that they don't want people that won't be shopping on the iPad buying them, they make up a cover story.

It's no different than their fear of Flash allowing people to run flash apps without going through their online store. Instead of just coming out and saying that Flash would be problematic for their business model, they told people that they weren't allowing people the choice of running Flash on iPads because they were better off not having the choice.

Apple makes awesome products, but they're so controlling that it gives me the creeps.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:37 PM
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50. This is all about control and just wait until it seeps into other parts of the economy
Apple is doing this because it wants to control what happens with the device after the customer buys it.

I'm sorry to say that I can envision a time when other purchases will be subject to the same restrictions. Just like those grocery club cards. What about when retailers stop accepting cash for alcohol so that they can "trace" who is buying it.

I'm not sure I want everything in my home to be part of someone else's database to use as they will.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 11:27 PM
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111. + 1
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:37 PM
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52. She should've just gone to Best Buy.
They sells iPads and accept cash.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:49 PM
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54. Aren't there laws about acceptance of legal tender?
And don't they mean not just acceptance of dollars, but of acceptance of the physical dollars that the Treasury prints?

In any case, this only strengthens my resolve to not purchase from Apple.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. That doesn't apply here
Stores are free to accept or not accept cash.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #54
58. Sheesh, if McDonalds doesn't have to accept more than a 20 why does Apple have to take a 600?
:shrug:
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #54
97. There is no legal requirement for a store to accept cash.
There is no legal requirement for a store to even accept dollars.
A store could demand all payment in gold or even chickens.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 12:59 PM
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59. Between the puritanical app restrictions, the war on Flash, the illegal home raids, and now this
I don't know, I think Steve Jobs has lost it.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:09 PM
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63. You got your talking points down.
Good boy! Bite that Apple!
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:11 PM
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64. oh.. did I forget the unexplainable laptop fires?
:)
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:15 PM
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67. Dude! Your Dell's on fire.
Edited on Tue May-18-10 01:51 PM by onehandle
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:16 PM
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68. You can be forgiven for that.
Edited on Tue May-18-10 01:19 PM by Touchdown
Dell had burning batteries too. We'll send you a Windows sticker for your car, and an XBox gift card for the marketplace, which is nothing like Apple's app store, even though we don't allow openly gay people to play our games and have gay usernames, we're still better and they're poop!
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:13 PM
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65. I would suggest that she just donate $600 to DU, but then my odds would be lower.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:20 PM
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71. Does DU accept cash?
I imagine if an envelope stuffed with greenbacks showed up in the mail, DU wouldn't send it back. However, the information about donations does not mention cash.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:15 PM
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66. She probably failed to look cool enough, too nt
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:17 PM
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70. Easy fix - go to a grocery store, get a VISA gift card, then go back
Seriously - this isn't that big of a problem!!
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:21 PM
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72. Nothing new
They've had this policy around for the iPhone as well.

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Barking Spider Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:22 PM
Response to Original message
73. She could send me a money order
I'll get one with my educational discount and ship it to her. Even with the money order fee, shipping costs, and my transaction fee of a burger and a Coke, she'll still end up ahead.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:26 PM
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74. I shop there all the time. They don't have cash registers.
The Sales kids (and they are kids) carry around iPhones equipped with card readers and e-mail us our reciepts. It's really quick and efficient. Kind of like Sonic girls without the coin pumps and roller skates.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. The cash registers are hidden in some of the desks.
I purchased some iPad accessories with cash for my Dad's birthday and they were happy to accept it and gave us change like normal from one of the hidden desk cash registers. Even printed out a receipt for us.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 01:35 PM
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77. I bought a netbook at Best Buy with cash. I guess that makes iBaby iJesus cry. -nt
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #77
93. So she can buy her iJesus at Best Buy.
Edited on Tue May-18-10 03:19 PM by Touchdown
They sells them there too. :eyes:

You bought a netbook. Poor thing! :rofl:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #93
98. Wow. Were you hired by Apple's competitors to act as a stereotypical Apple fanatic...
Edited on Tue May-18-10 03:59 PM by Commie Pinko Dirtbag
...and therefore make Apple look bad?

"You bought a netbook. Poor thing!"

Wow.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #98
102. No, Pot & Kettle.
But I'm not at all surprised to see you in this thread.:hi:

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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:37 PM
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82. No business has to accept cash ever. (FAQ question from US treasury)
http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq/currency/legal-tender.shtml

I thought that United States currency was legal tender for all debts. Some businesses or governmental agencies say that they will only accept checks, money orders or credit cards as payment, and others will only accept currency notes in denominations of $20 or smaller. Isn't this illegal?

Answer The pertinent portion of law that applies to your question is the Coinage Act of 1965, specifically Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," which states: "United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."

This statute means that all United States money as identified above are a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy.


When you think about it it makes perfect sense. Otherwise someone could bring a dumptruck of nickles to a house closing and you would be obligated to accept it as payment for a debt.

Every single payphone is in violation of the law (they don't take dollar bills or pennies) as is ever soda machine.

Not apple is a dumbass for having a no cash policy but it is perfectly legal.
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dsn Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:38 PM
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84. Even a Walmart Money Card would work here...
Thinking out loud...do Apple Stores accept cash for anything? I know if I was running Apple's retail division I wouldn't want to; for a retailer, cash has drawbacks. You've got to have a local bank account so you can deposit it, you run the risk of your employees getting robbed on the way to the night depository, and there's always the everpresent problem of a dishonest employee skimming the till. Electronic money--debit and credit--has none of those problems.

So let's see...take the claimed "backpack full of cash" (can you imagine getting six hundred one-dollar bills in payment?) to a bank, the local Ace Cash Express store or Walmart, buy a prepaid Visa card and go get your computer. How hard is that?
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:42 PM
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85. No business is required to take cash.
I'm not applauding the store's actions (in fact I think they stink) but they are within the law there.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:52 PM
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86. Well. Apparently the Federal govt has been literal-minded about "debt", so Apple is
Edited on Tue May-18-10 03:00 PM by WinkyDink
within its ignorant rights.

I think this case wil open many eyes other than mine.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:59 PM
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91. Nope, it's legal. (citation)
"There is.....no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy."

http://www.ustreas.gov/education/faq/currency/legal-tender.shtml
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 02:57 PM
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90. I paid for my Imac in cash at Best Buy. They were happy to take my money.
This story pisses me off because I thought Apple was better than that.

A cashless society is what the powers that be would love so they can track our every move!
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 03:02 PM
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92. "the powers that be " Apple is part of the "the powers that be".
Why do you think they control the apps store. Not allow flash to be used on their products.

They are building a tightly controlled ecosystem where all the profit, information, power flows back to Apple.

With enough marketshare they can force developers and consumers to comply. Sort of like Wallmart of information services.
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 03:15 PM
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94. This story pisses you off. It makes me think it's fake?
Who carries a wad of cash in a backpack? And can they get any more sympathy points by making her disabled?

It's all too convenient. What's next? If you eat Apple's tacos, will maggots strat growing in your gums?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #90
99. Perhaps the no cash BS happens only at Apple stores.
And you're right about the tracking.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 04:04 PM
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100. Ok, I am definitely going to build a new PC instead of buying a new Mac Pro.
I have been an avid Apple user since my first Apple IIe, but that is about to change for good. :hi:


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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 04:09 PM
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101. Fuck Apple then, they think they are the shit and don't need cash?
Fuck their arrogence, samsung will come out with something better or LG will. Either way that was a total dick move and they suck even more for it.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #101
105. DUers are so cute when they get all righteously angry and stuff!
And this reply applies to many of the replies here, not just yours.

Tesha
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 05:28 AM
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112. Well it is kinda stupid not to take money...but hey that is just me.
I don't have billions and can't afford to act like an arrogent prick over money. Hit a nerve did I?
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 04:54 PM
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104. The chicken based economy is coming
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #104
106. I'll take my change in drumsticks.
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 05:42 PM
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107. Why not dye each iPad's finger purple instead?
That way when two of their fingers were dyed, they would be ineligible to buy any more iPads... If it's good enough for the Iraqis, it's good enough for Apple buyers...

(and this way the seller couldn't monitory your credit transactions which they have no business intruding into)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/scavenger/detail?en...
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winter trees Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-10 05:42 PM
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108. I am sorry...Could you please explain why this would prevent selling in a foreign market?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #108
115. Even though this user is tombstoned, this question makes sense.
I think the idea is, if a Taliban fighter is caught with an iPad, check the serial number, see who bought it, and haul their ass to Gitmo. Or something like that.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:34 AM
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117. Presumably, they'll refuse to sell a third iPad to the same CC #. Nothing more complex than that.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 10:17 PM
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118. Apple reverses its no-cash payment policy for iPads
Apple stepped up to the plate Wednesday, responding to a 7 On Your Side report about a woman who tried to buy an iPad using her carefully saved up money, only to be told she could not pay with cash. The story caused outcry all across the country...

"About a month ago, we said we'd like you to use a credit card when you buy your iPad, and that was the best way we could think of to make sure that people only bought two per individual," said (an Apple senior vice president). "And then it came to our attention that Diane (Campbell)...was very interested in buying an iPad with cash, and we made a decision today to change that."

...As of today, anyone can pay for an iPad with cash as long as they set up their Apple account at the store. Apple accounts are needed for the iPad anyway...

(T)wo employees from Apple visited her home Wednesday and brought her a brand new iPad for free...

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/7_on_your_side&id=7451437&tsp=1

:party:
rocktivity
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-10 11:10 PM
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119. Anyone or any company can choose acceptable forms of payment
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