Can you hear us now, Rahm?

[Union Yes]

What was it? "Fuck the Left." or something like that.

[mmonk]

1. He's tone deaf

and dreaming about running Chicago. He hears, but in a different tone.

[Name removed]

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[zenprole]

97. I have a dream

Come, now. Please, settle down. Everyone get a grip with both hands.

The dream of every Third World country is to be free of foreign influence. Some idle speculation about Rahm Emanuel's true loyalties shouldn't ruffle any feathers. If anyone really wanted to offend DU, they'd point out there isn't an opposition party in the US.

[tavalon]

107. Not these days

Yeah, back in November of 2008, you would have been pilloried. Obama's run to the right has opened a lot of eyes.

I never blamed Nader for what happened in 2000. That said, his contention that the two parties are the same never really resonated with me. It's starting to make sense. The only difference I'm seeing these days is that the Republicans are batshit insane but both sides are fully beholden to their corporate masters.

[mmonk]

112. May I ask what are you talking about?

[zenprole]

144. Ministry of Truth

Yes, you may ask and I'll even tell you.

That's my post that DU's thought police deleted earlier today. The gist of this thread is snarking Rahm Emanuel and I jumped the shark by speculating that it's not about his stance within the Democratic Party or even the American polity, but him very much flying his own flag and that it may not have stars and stripes on it.

Here's to you reading this before the TP swing through again.

[dchill]

2. I believe he thinks we're...

ree-tards. Whatever that means.

[socialist_n_TN]

11. Yep. Apparently the "retards" have spoken.......

and pretty damn loudly at that. At least in the Democratic primaries. If we can keep it up and win the general elections, that will make an even BIGGER statement.

[tavalon]

21. And that is where we need to make our voices heard

It serves us not one whit to destroy Democrats in the general election because then we get the batshit crazy Repub. This was perfect and we will defeat Blanche Lincoln and then we will defeat the Repug running there, can't remember his name and don't really care.

[leftynyc]

36. Oh for Heavens sake

If you're going to trash the guy, at least get it right. He said running Dems against other Dems was a retarded idea. He didn't call anyone retards. The fact he doesn't do anything his boss doesn't want him to do is continually ignored around here.

[Capn Sunshine]

43. beat me to it

it's a lot easier to bitch and moan than accept the reality of political expediency.
I hate Rahm as much as the next guy, but the projection around here really gets old.

[liberation]

86. I don't think "projection" means what you want it to mean in this case....

[TroglodyteScholar]

Nevermind that...the term itself makes it MUCH easier to dismiss a legitimate gripe. n/t

[kenfrequed]

50. Rahm has a record prior to Obama.

He has a record for pushing DLC conservadems in races and pushing progressives out of races. I had an intense dislike for him prior to his becoming COS for Obama.

[leftynyc]

59. I'm talking about Tues elections

He supported who his boss told him to. He fought for who his boss told him to. And throughout his tenure as COS, he's done nothing that his boss hasn't told him to do. Yet you'll still see this board blame Rahm for any non-progressive stance taken thinking he's in charge. He's not.

[kenfrequed]

61. Of course

Advisors and chief staff positions never have any effect on a presidents decisions and they have no control whatsoever over who he sees and what opinions and polls make it to his desk.

You are creating an absurd argument based on the idea that he has no affect on the administration whatsoever.

Yes Obama backed Spector, as I have stated elsewhere it was a part of a deal that was no doubt struck. But pretending Rahm, who seems to have nothing but antipathy for progressives and the 'democratic wing' of the Democratic party is not supportable.

[leftynyc]

159. When positions are taken by the administration

It's coming directly from the President. His advisors do just that - advise. Rahm is entitled to his positions - just as you are. But when it comes from the White House, blaming Rahm is stupid.

[defendandprotect]

62. So you're saying it is Pres. Obama who is dictating the "non-progressive" stance to Rahm....?

[tavalon]

95. Well, he isn't blameless for sure,

but he didn't openly mock the base.

[robinlynne]

116. Thank-you.

[defendandprotect]

148. Maybe the question is ... "Did Obama ever reprimand Rahm for that comment?" . . .

And, since neither of us is in the White House, how do we know what Obama does

or doesn't do in private?

[leftynyc]

158. No- I'm saying

that any non-progressive stance taken by this administration is dictated by the President, not his chief of staff.

[pundaint]

140. You are correct. I don't get those who are so infatuated with a campaign image that they would

rather believe the leader of the free world was being run by a staffer than to just see what's going on.

[defendandprotect]

150. DLC/Rahm represents corporate power and interests in co-opting the Dem Party . . .

and he is in the White House at Pres. Obama's invitation!!

Meanwhile, not too long ago, Rep. John Conyers made clear that "the only one

that Obama listens to is Rahm Emmanuel" --

DLC is corporate poisoning of the Democratic Party and it should be stamped out --

not coddled!

[sabrina 1]

54. True, that is what he said but everyone knows what Rahm

and Obama think of the base now. Excluding them while including moronic Republicans in policy decisions as important as HC reform was more than enough to alert the base that they are on their own.

So, people went to work. Halter basically an unknown outside his own state, was backed by the base against the Party-backed and endorsed Blanche Lincoln.

Same thing with Sestak. Now on to removing Jane Harman, another DLC favorite.

Activists told them that they would work to remove the DLCers from DC but Rahm et al thought they knew better.

They have taken over this party and do not represent ordinary democrats, they represent corporations.

So much for all the operatives talking about 'the left' throwing in the towel and staying home, or 'so you want Palin to win etc. etc.'.

Any party that throws away its base, will have no influence on the base.

I believe OFA finally remembered who helped win the 2008 election and asked them to come out and help again. That appeal fell on deaf ears for the most part. They wanted us to help screw ourselves once again. 'Fool me once' etc was the message. I hope someone heard it.

[havocmom]

56. If we could recommend a reply...

yours would be on the greatest page in no time.

[sabrina 1]

57. Thank you, I hope that we don't see anymore of those

ridiculous accusations that the 'left' wants Palin in 2012, but then again, if we see them, we have something to point out to them now! Lol!

Maybe they'll get it finally and we won't have to waste time explaining it anymore?

Jane Harman, here we come! Lol! :hi:

[Union Yes]

120. +1 nt

[leftynyc]

60. I understand

So why wasn't the thread titled "Can you hear us now Barack"?

[sabrina 1]

138. Well, I think maybe because while we know that Rahm

doesn't do anything without the approval of Barack, Rahm has been publicly insulting to the base. Obama has been more subtle in his disapproval. Even his apology for his 'it is retarded to hold primaries' comment, was NOT made to the people he aimed it at, but only for his use of the word 'retarded'. Good he got that, but he didn't get anything else.

[defendandprotect]

63. +1000%

[Enthusiast]

73. Once again, Sabrina. nt

[WatchWhatISay]

82. Yes, Im getting to be a fan, too.

[saracat]

89. +1million And if the message of Mass , NJ and Pa as well as AK

is NOT heeded, they may stay home in 2012.

[tavalon]

100. I ditched OFA a while back so it definitely fell on deaf ears in my case

But it would have anyway. I'm not stupid. The Obama administration created a movement and they had progressive activists ready and waiting to help them. Then they ignored us, mocked us and shunned us. They can get us back in a heartbeat but they haven't made a single move to apologize so we're creating our own momentum, sans Obama. It's really too bad they squandered our good will in this way.

[Union Yes]

119. High five. Way to tell it like it is!

:fistbump:

:hi:

[dchill]

58. Gee, sorry - I believed the quote that I saw...

from ABC News:

"White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel's verbal indiscretion -- referring to some liberal activists as "f**king retarded" -- has shined a spotlight on just how pervasive the R-word is in American conversation, and how offensive it can be for millions of Americans."

Now, maybe Diane Sawyer is full of crap, but maybe so are you. All I know is that I am, sometimes, but I don't think this is one of them. And Rahm doesn't seem to get it that Specter and Lincoln aren't exactly credible in their roles as Democrats.

And, it's his "boss" who is the intended recipient of our message. I think I got it right.

[wryter2000]

137. ABC got it wrong

He said the strategy was the R word. I don't know if ABC was ignorant, lazy, or stirring the pot. Probably all three.

That being said, I'm no fan of his and not defending him. I hope Landrieu and B. Nelson are watching what happened to Lincoln yesterday. Especially Nelson. :mad:

[leftynyc]

161. Thta fact that Sawyer is full of crap

is besides the point. She got the quote wrong and that was hashed out months ago.

[dotymed]

72. But really

it wasn't "dems against dems." It was Progressives against dems. Democrats used to be progressive. Most are now corporate "dems" which is about 1 degree of difference between republican. Maybe that doesn't reach Rahm or Obamas definition of "retarded."

[LiberalLovinLug]

78. Primaries are always about Dems vs. Dems

You know that wasn't the issue. It was the idea of grass roots Democratic voters going out of their way to back true liberal candidates instead of the DLC approved corporate rubber stampers that Rahm is shoving down our throats. Yes with Obama's approval I'm sure, but Obama isn't the one that denigrated and insulted the left base.

Unfortunately Obama has been, from early on I gather, swamped with DLC good ole boys, who have convinced him to veer right and to snub progressive ideas that he himself championed early on in his career. It's pretty obvious the theme is: move to the right even before you start bargaining to "throw them off". They will be forced to come to some kind of agreement when you indicate you will move even further to the right for them. But as Rahm and Obama are getting ready to touch their toes, surprise surprise, the Party of No earns its name once again.

But its almost as if they have positioned themselves and now they don't have a plan B. I think deep down Rahm knows he made a tactical, if not moral, error, and he is pissed whenever someone on the left reminds him of that, and so he just lashes out with name-calling and digs his heels in a little further.

[leftynyc]

162. So whose fault is it

That the administration has taken a more rightward stance than progressives would like? People here like to blame Rahm. I blame the President. YOu seem to think he's under the influence of others and dosn't really feel the same way as Rahm. I don't know that to be true.

[bobburgster]

85. Thanks, you took the words right out of my mouth.

:yourock:

[liberation]

88. That would be nice, except that is not what happened...

He did call liberal activists present "fucking retarded" for daring not kiss the ass of the conservative Dems he loves so much:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703808904575025030384695158.html


Maybe you are one those so misspells "centrist" as "leftist" It seems to be a common mistake around here. But no matter how you try to spin, the "victim" here is not Mr. Emmanuel. In fact anyone, who works as the Chief of Staff of the president, has to be monumentally out-of-touch with what is going on, in order to trash part of the Dem base like that... at their face.

[tavalon]

110. We know. At least most of us know

But Rahm and Karl are created from the same cloth. In other words, I'm mad at Obama but I thoroughly dislike Rahm (and have since his days in Congress) so I pillory him any chance I get. I hope to eventually help Obama get a clue by four and part of what is necessary is to run off the DLCers who surround Obama (I know, he has that gene, too. But Obama shares something with President Clinton. He's a savvy, savvy politician and if we can truly get his ear, he will move back toward the left, as he did as a candidate). Obama has forgotten who got him elected. Rahm never even understood who got his boss elected.

[laughingliberal]

3. He's too busy. He's got a DINO to prop up in a run off election in AR. nt

[tavalon]

23. I think he's heading back to Chicago

At least he will be if Obama has a lick of sense. And despite my frustration with many of Obama's decisions, he has more than a few licks of sense. He's a savvy politician and hopefully Rahm won't be able to spin his way out of this.

I know it won't happen, but here's a magnificent fantasy. Obama sends Rahm packing and replaces him with:















Wait for it....................................................













Howard Dean!!! :woohoo:

A girl can dream, can't she?

[peace frog]

55. Dream on, tavalon

We all know the Obama admin will never acknowledge Howard Dean as anything but an annoyance.

But hey, I'll dream a little dream with you. Loves me some Dr. Dean.

[Carolina]

164. Exactly, peace frog!

Obama never gave Dr. Dean any credit or recognition for the winning 50 state strategy or the use of the internet which Dean initiated in 2003-2004. Instead he cozied up even more to Rahm who had persisted in the losing Clinton strategy of targeting only the big Democratic states!

Obama chose Rahm, Geithner, Summers, Salazar... and those selections show his true persona. Rahm speaks for Obama!

[bvar22]

64. Yeah...real "savvy"...

Going onstage with his arm around a "Republican" (Specter), loudly professing his "love" of Specter, and doing everything but actually kissing him....and THEN running away like a scared wimp when the polls turned...
real "savvy" that.

[Enthusiast]

74. A dream I could embrace! nt

[Radical Activist]

122. If Rahm is going to be replaced

I hope it's with someone who's progressive and effective. That ain't Dean.

[tavalon]

126. LOL

It won't be Dean, unfortunately. But Dean isn't progressive and effective? What color is the sky in your world? Did you happen to miss the 50 state strategy that mobilized a hugely untapped force to give the White House to Obama not to mention all those Democratic House and Senate wins? Do you think Rahm had anything to do with that? Have I inundated you with enough questions yet?

[Radical Activist]

128. 2008 had little to do with Dean.

The 50 state strategy was nice and and it probably helped a little in '06. Obama took over the DNC completely for the 2008 election. They even moved the HQ to Chicago and put Obama's people in charge. Obama's team had a community organizing style of campaigning that was far more sophisticated and effective than Dean putting a few organizers in non-competitive states. No one gives Dean much credit outside of his little personality cult.
And no it wasn't Rahm. It was Plouffe and Axlerod, either of whom could organize circles around Dean and Trippi.

[tavalon]

129. Thank you for not crediting Rahm

Yes, Plouffe and Axelrod were pivotal in creating the movement. And I think Dean helped with the mobilizing as well. I can give credit where credit is due, it just isn't due in Rahm's case.

[defendandprotect]

153. 50 State is a Dean concept . . . vs Rahm failure to contest nationwide . . .

Over decades, I've been shocked at the many races where no Dem ran!!



In fact, one of the really aggravating ones was the New Gingrich race where

Dems could have taken him out -- however, Gephardt and Tip O'Neill liked the

fact that Newt supported salary increases for Congress and they didn't oppose him!!

How did that work out for Dems???

Yikes!!

We have that story compliments of the female Senator from Colorado . . .

Pat Schroeder -- in her book --

[defendandprotect]

151. Now that I like . . .!!! Especially the Howard Dean part . . .!!!

:)

[Nite Owl]

4. Not a good night for

the White House.

[MadBadger]

6. Maybe in Arkansas, but I think they are fine with the results in PA

I think ultimately they will be fine with things. The WH got Specter to switch in the first place, used his votes to their advantage. They endorsed him, because that was part of the deal. They did an ad, but never appeared at a campaign stop with him (though that pissed off the PA establishment). In the end, the candidate with the best chance to win was elected. And the Dems won another special election.

[zipplewrath]

44. Where do you get your info

I'm curious how they "got him to switch" for a vote in March, when he had to switch in the fall to have any chance in the democratic primary at all. I'm curious how that switch causes such an "all out" effort on their part (TV, personal appearances, OFA messages, robo calls, from BOTH of them) for a primary. Is this "deal" written down? Because it's the best deal that a senator ever got for doing what he had to do anyway.

[saracat]

92. Only in bizzarro world is the WH happy to lose the race they endorsed

and campaigned for. It can be read as nothing but a slap in the face to the WH. As is the runoff in AK. As is the GOP victory in Mass. But the message keeps being ignored.

[Bozita]

5. best.OP.title.ever.!

[Name removed]

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[FrenchieCat]

8. Oh yeah......the strawman,

or the whipping boy! :rofl:


I'll be working to get a conservadem in the Senate from KY!



Politics: THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE!

NOT THE ART OF STANDING IN FRONT OF THE WISHING WELL!

[WeDidIt]

31. I'll help you get the KY Conservadem in

but I want to help one Conservadem in Arkansas defeat another conservadem, then get the winning conservadem to win in November.

The guy who won Murtha's seat will have to be a bit more to the right than Murtha to insure he holds onto the seat in November.

And Sestak may sound pretty liberal now, but every left leaning Congressman who wins a Senate seat ultimately moves to the right to appeal to a state-wide constituency as opposed to a simple Congressional district's constituency.

[liberation]

96. Of course you will... the real "surprise" would have been you supporting a liberal.

Duuuuuh.

[donco6]

104. Whenever I hear that quote, I barf.

WHENEVER A commentator declares that "politics is the art of the possible," I'm on my guard. What I'm being told, I suspect, is to accept apparent present conditions as immutable facts of life, and to trim my goals accordingly. I'm being told to let injustices stand.

Like all banalities, the familiar dictum contains an obvious truth. To be politically effective, you have to be able to distinguish between your desires and realities on the ground, between aspirations and resources.

But like most banalities, it begs more questions than it answers. How is "the possible" defined? Where are its limits drawn? Who draws them? Theoretically, the possible is an elastic and speculative category. But the dictum draws no distinctions between the immediately unlikely and the ultimately impossible, takes no notice of the infinite and shifting gradations between them, and of the impact of human agency in shifting an outcome from one category to another.

http://socialistworker.org/2010/02/10/the-art-of-the-possible

[Raine]

9. He'd better hear us now or he'll hear us

even louder in Novemember! :evilgrin:

[Union Yes]

10. +1000000! nt

[defendandprotect]

67. By 2012, we need a true liberal/progressive Dem candidate . . .

My daughter just told me the other day how upset they are -- Boston, again --

She's unwilling to vote for Obama again!!

Same with my son . . . who has just been laid off!

[Individualist]

12. K&R

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. You mean hear you supporting conservative dems like Sestak?

Looks like he hears you loud and clear.

[socialist_n_TN]

16. He was more left than Specter AND..........

Most polls I've seen show he's a better candidate against Toomey. He's not the perfect candidate for an old lefty like me, but he's better than the guy he was running against.

[lonestarnot]

19. Spector was the one time long term pug. Stetak was just elected.

:eyes:

[tavalon]

24. Your point is?

[Luminous Animal]

46. Not near as conservative as Spector.

http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=58333

[sabrina 1]

65. Sestak has a good voting record on many issues important

to democrats, like the war, gun control, women's rights etc.

He's definitely a huge improvement over Rahm's favorite, Specter! We'll get there, don't worry!

[kenfrequed]

101. So Spector to Sestac wasn't a move to the left?

I mean the guy isn't Wellstone, but are you suggesting that there wasn't a decision on the part of those in the primary to support a more progressive candidate?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

111. I think he's something of a move to the left. Yet still a conservative dem.

So does it make an awful lot of the purists pretty big hypocrites? Yup.

[girl gone mad]

130. Or maybe it means they aren't actually "purists"..

as you like to define and belittle them.

They are simply progressives who want better than having to settle for horrible, beholden, status quo candidates.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

132. I agree, I don't think they're purists.

I think they, like Limbaugh, want Obama to lose. And they're grasping at straws on the notion that this is a loss for Obama.

[treestar]

156. Like Sestak?

[kenfrequed]

142. that is nonsense.

Ok, so the so called "purists" (and I hate that meme completely) shouldn't celebrate evrey move to the more progressive side of the street?

I think accusing them of hypocracy for it is kind of misplaced and misinformed. Because we hold our elected officials feet to the fire when they dissappoint or fail to live up to the standards does not, and did not, mean that we do not celebrate when we put in candidates that we expect to do better than their predecessors.

Actually I think you need to justify that statement.

[treestar]

157. Will this love affair with Sestak last longer than Obama's?

This just cracks me up. If he's not progressive enough himself, what then?

[TheWebHead]

14. remember this is a primary

and the wings of either side can vote in ways that work against their own best interests in November... I doubt any news that came out tonight would change Rahm's view in that regard.

[tavalon]

25. Well, then he's a fucking retard*

*Just throwing his words about the left back at him.

[laughingliberal]

75. +1000 nt

[fadedrose]

15. Rahm doesn't understand that "lefties" put his boss in the WH...

"Leftovers" who keep dreaming of what might have been if Dean had won...

The DLC has their nasty grip on the WH staff..

[Union Yes]

20. In so may ways, lefties were his boss' grassroots support during the campaign..

volunteering, phonebanks, door-knocking etc.

:fistbump:

[lark]

68. And what do we get as payback for all that work

Repug lite policy and a swift kick in the rear

[laughingliberal]

76. " And what do we get as payback for all that work?"

16 months of corporate fellating Dems on their knees to the corporate overlords while the people languish and they plot to destroy our barely there social safety nets.

[Change Happens]

39. +1000

[Carolina]

165. "The DLC has their nasty grip on the WH staff..."

But Obama chose that staff! He chose Rahm, Clinton (who helped create the DLC!), Geithner, Summers, Salazar... So we were the fools. Obama was ALWAYS a DLCer; he just wore fake progressive clothes while campaigning!

[Bluebear]

17. +

[FarLeftFist]

18. We can purge moderates too.

[Vincardog]

71. WE don't have to purge real moderates just the CORPORATIST and FASCISTS

[tavalon]

22. Yeah, Rahm, just how retarded do you think we are NOW?

It's time for you to head back to Chicago. Our President needs a better adviser than you. I know the two of you are friends, but don't worry, I'm sure he'll still send you birthday and holiday cards. I'd say I'll miss you but I'm not that polite and besides, I don't like to lie.

It was a pretty damn good night for progressives.

[tavalon]

26. Hey, everybody, could we put this at the top of the Greatest Page

Would that I could recommend it more than once.

[rhett o rick]

27. Dont be too quick to count Rahm out. Cant Spector run as an Independent like dipshit Joe did? nm

[tavalon]

28. Nope, State rules don't allow for it

But at least he was gracious.

[Union Yes]

30. Thanks for adding that. I had no idea of that rule. Interesting.

:fistbump:

[rhett o rick]

45. Thank you. I didnt know CT was different. nm

[tbyg52]

115. Good! That was the first thing that occurred to me. nt

[Union Yes]

29. Judging by Arlen's concession speech last night, I'd say no. He won't.

I think he'll get a presidental appointment instead. Perhaps an ambassador. Unless he feels ready to retire. Arlen is getting up there in years. I just don't see him going the independent LIEberman route.

No harm in asking though.

:hi:

[rpannier]

155. At 80, he might want to take a break or if he takes an Ambassador role

Probably something not too tiring (Iraq, Lebanon, Greece)

Stress can cause a recurrence of cancer.

If his wife is still around, I'd guess retirement
Every spouse of an elected official sacrifices a lot.
And they are owed by the spouse that held office, some time out of the spotlight

If she's not still alive, then he'll probably want to keep busy

[laughingliberal]

77. Just to be clear...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8367537

[Jefferson23]

32. Obama hopefully will hear, I think Rahm does hear but ignores.

Arlen has already stated that he will help Sestak, the seat must remain Democrat.

[realFedUp]

33. A non-reaction reaction

I think Obama's non-reaction reaction to many things speaks
volumes about the way he intends staying in office...like
Republicans have been doing for many years, saying the opposite
of what's true or not saying anything at all.

Get some balls Obama. You weren't ready on day one and frankly
you weren't the change this country needs.

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. "and frankly you weren't the change this country needs"

:thumbsup:

[MissDeeds]

40. +1

You nailed it.

[Carolina]

166. Touche!

I'm real fed up, Fed Up, too. All the talk on this thread... but the bottom line is Obama chose who he wanted. He chose DLCers like Rahm and Clinton (one of the DLC founders!). He chose Geithner ans Summers...

[jgraz]

35. I just hope his boss is listening.

Time for Rahm to run for mayor.

[Union Yes]

38. Yep, I hope so too.

I'm a Chicago resident and I'm willing to sacrifice my beloved city just to get him out of the WH.

:fistbump:

:hi:

[freddie mertz]

37. Maybe he hears a distant drumbeat.

But is only going to get louder!

:patriot: :rofl: :headbang: :nuke:

[Union Yes]

41. Oh so true!

:fistbump:

:hi:

[bigwillq]

42. YES HE CAN!

But will he listen?????

[NewJeffCT]

47. I hope they've heard us, but the media is spinning it as a repudiation

of Obama...

[mvd]

49. Makes me so disgusted

I go to the Comcast.net page and what do I see? "Dems in Danger?" Really, I thought we just won an important special election!! But since we won, the media treats it like it's no big deal.

Definitely fear for what Comcast will do to NBC/MSNBC.

[kenfrequed]

102. Comcast has it in for the Democratic party

They are out to get them because of Net Neutrality.

[metapunditedgy]

51. That may not be so bad. What should Obama's response be

to this "repudiation"?

[girl gone mad]

131. It is a repudiation of Obama..

and the milquetoast corporatist path he has chosen.

[me b zola]

48. K and fucking R

:kick:

[Captain Hilts]

52. It's the president who should be listening. nt

[Name removed]

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[Union Yes]

70. I agree. I think this has his attention. nt

[Catherina]

66. Rec'd but Rahm's not the problem.

It's not like Rahm is forcing himself on Obama.

Obama's the one who needs to take notice.

[Missy Vixen]

69. They don't care

After all, someone said it yesterday: Obama and Emanuel know that the Republicans will put up a choice that makes Sarah Palin look smart and articulate, we'll get the fear fear fear fear GIVE MONEY GIVE MONEY GIVE MONEY drumbeat (starting any second now!), and we'll hold our nose and vote for the "Democrat".

They both know they have nothing to worry about. Even more, the money will come rolling in.

:eyes:

[haydukelives]

79. Effing retards on the left

are pissed off

[harun]

80. Our suits aren't as nice as Goldman Sach's, but we pay attention and we vote.

[liberation]

99. Yeah, but GS pays real money...

... what is the DLC gonna buy with all the attention we pay? They gots bills to pay, mansions to maintain, yachts to commission. You know all that stuff that rich people do, and which costs a pretty penny.

:-)

[davidwparker]

81. +1

I was laughing my butt off when the royalty at the WH watched as PA went to a real (D).

I heard they are trying to clear the path in NY for Hildebrand or whatever her name is.

[DearAbby]

84. OH HELL YES!.......Adding my voice........n/t

[DailyGrind51]

87. Relax, he will probably become the next Mayor of Chicago!

Riot batons and all!

[tavalon]

93. And for that, I'm very sorry to Chicago

but all I can say, as a former resident of Texas, we all have to take our idiots back occasionally.

[DailyGrind51]

98. "W" and Richie Daley were great buddies, when the former stopped in town a few years ago!

I would have given anything to record their dinner conversation at the Norwood Restaurant, since both can't seem to navigate the English language!

[Radical Activist]

123. Not if Tom Dart runs against him. n/t

[DailyGrind51]

163. Tom Dart would get my vote, but Rahm would have Party backing.

[Arkana]

90. Rahm sez: "For liberals, you guys don't seem inclined to reading comprehension."

"Also, I'm sure none of you folks have EVER been guilty of over-the-top reactions to anything when you're frustrated. Never. Nope."

[tavalon]

94. Terri sez: "Rahm, you're held to a higher standard and

you consistently don't come even close to meeting it."

I like the quote game. Let's keep playing it!

[Arkana]

103. Rahm sez: "I'm still human and am allowed to have human reactions to things that frustrate me."

"I'd think Democrats of all stripes would know frustration in some form."

[tavalon]

106. Terri sez: "Rahm, you need a less stressful job, then. I hear Chicago might be looking for a mayor."

[Union Yes]

113. I'll sacrifice my beloved city of Chicago if it means taking Rahm off the WH's hands.

Begrudgingly, of course. May even whine, piss, and moan about it. :rofl:

Rahm has brought nothing good to the Obama Admin. If it means he's gotta be mayor of Chitown to get him out of the WH, so be it. I may even volunteer for Rahm's mayoral run.

:patriot:

:hi:

[tavalon]

114. Whoe! Volunteering for him is a bit further than I would go

Way to take one for the team!

[laughingliberal]

124. Let's all send him recordings of Sinatra's "Chicago."

Maybe it will make him nostalgic for home.

[tavalon]

91. Thank you to all the fine people who placed this on the front page

where it most certainly belongs.

[tavalon]

105. This was fun, however, I would like to steal your opening line sort of

I would like to start a post with "Can you hear us now, OFA?" They've lost scores of supporters and it didn't have to be that way. They can still win us back but they need to help the Obama administration understand that even if self identified progressives are a small amount of the overall Democrats, when people are polled on progressive attitudes, the numbers are much higher and even include some self identified Republicans! So, basically, the OFA needs to understand that we are their base and they need to woo us back. It's been a long 17 months but it's only 6 months until the midterms. A clue by four is desperately needed. Yesterday should have been that clue by four, but I think we need to spell it out to them and I would like to send out the clarion call to my fellow DUers to bring the message home to OFA.

[rudy23]

108. My moderate & conservative friends are turned off by Obama's failure to keep his word to his base.

It's not like they're celebrating his moves to the right and center. They're judging him for it.

[tavalon]

109. Yes

[WillyT]

117. HUGE K & R !!!

:applause:

Bravo!!!

:kick:

[Bluebear]

118. hearty k/r

[Radical Activist]

121. Fucking A. n/t

[rucky]

125. Proud to be a "fucking retard"!

:hi:

[tavalon]

127. I just realized you're from Chicago

You do realize I'm lobbying to send Rahm back there, right? You'll be taking a big one for the team.

[Union Yes]

134. Yep =)

I'm the guy from reply 113.;-)

:hi:

[tavalon]

135. You're also the guy who has your thread second on the Front Page

You rock.

[PopSixSquish]

133. BTW - Rahm Recruited Joe Sestak Initially in 2006 for Congress

I doubt he's that upset that Arlen lost...

[Jakes Progress]

136. Rahm has no loyalty to anyone he recruited.

Bottom line.

[Dinger]

139. Rec # 245!

[phleshdef]

141. Us? You are in Chicago. You had jack shit to do with yesterday. LOL.

[Union Yes]

149. Umm I donated money to Sestak and Halter. nt

[watajob]

143. Just remember...

what Will Rogers said: "I belong to no organized political party. I'm a Democrat." Rest easy. Our fearless leaders could fuck up a wet dream.

[rudy23]

145. Easy--I wouldn't go that far. We have some fine Democratic leaders, they're just on the sidelines.

I wish Obama would listen to them more often. Maybe he will--that's the point of my criticism. Still holding on to hope.

[Drunken Irishman]

146. I don't know. What'd you do?

You certainly didn't help advance a liberal candidate. Sestak was recruited by Rahm back in 2006 and is pretty hawkish and fairly moderate. Critz is even more conservative than either Specter or Sestak. So I'm actually not sure what he was supposed to hear.

Or are you talking about that race in Arkansas? Maybe. But why not wait until your chickens hatch before counting. That race isn't over until it's over and Lincoln still could win.

[unkachuck]

147. K&R....n/t

[TK421]

152. Rahm doesn't care and he told me to tell you to go fuck yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!@@#@$

edited to add: and he will FUCKING END YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RandomThoughts]

160. I don't think he said that.

That would justify him getting knocked down. It has anger and claims of self importance in it.

[donheld]

154. k & R

[Dinger]

167. Thursday Night Kick From Da Ding (nt)

[Dinger]

168. Friday Night Kick From Da Ding (nt)

[Dinger]

169. Saturday Afternoon Kick:)