This is what is WRONG : "BP OK's Costner's oil-cleaning device"

[Are_grits_groceries]

BP doesn't own the Gulf or the water. Why in the hell do they get final approval about what type of device can clean it up???

Somebody in the government needs to slap the shite out of them. I know there are a lot of scientists in universities and other places who could quickly have made a decision about this device. They could have run tests to determine if it was effective. In addition, they wouldn't have ties to BP.

I read about this device days ago. Did somebody break away from a busy schedule to give it a run?

I don't know why BP is in charge of anything more complex than a cleaning a litter box right now. (My kittehs just said 'MEH.")

They won't let scientists in.
They won't let scientists study the break with undersea equipment.
The WH itself put out a false press release about a ship being in the area doing research on the Gulf.
They wouldn't a scientists reveal the results of a turtle necropsy.
NOAA is trying to ignore findings by reputable scientists about the water in the Gulf and the size of the spill. They are calling into question and punishing the scientists themselves which is damaging to their reputations at the least.

I don't know WTF is going on. It stinks to high heaven. Some of the problems make me ask what in the hell were they using to drill that well? A turtle necropsy should reveal some type of oil which would be no surprise. Do they have their minions scuttling up and down all the beaches collecting dead turtles? It makes no sense because somebody will get one of the top secret carcasses and check it.

Press release info: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/18/gulf-oil-spill-government_n_580815.html
Turtle Necropsies: Public barred from turtle necropsies
http://www.sunherald.com/2010/05/03/2149750/public-barred-from-turtle-necropsies.html

This has gone beyond FUBAR and into some as yet to be determined phrase and acronym.

It also is apparent that the government is working hand and hand with BP in whatever shenanigans they are up to.

Napolitano said the government wasn't prepared for deep water drilling problems. Well they could certainly find reputable, independent people who could advise them on a lot of the shite that is going on.

If you think I am spinning a conspiracy or whatever out of whole cloth, then explain all the facts I listed above. It may not be a conspiracy, but it isn't normal.

WHAT. THE. F***. IS. GOING. ON. ?????????????

[ejpoeta]

1. my thinking is that if you are not prepared for deep water drilling problems, then you are not

ready for deep water drilling. period! if you don't have a tested and proven plan in place to fix a 'spill' or other problem that occurs, then you have no business doing any drilling or anything else. when there is a plane crash, they ground all planes like the one that crashed and perform inspections on said planes to make sure they are all ok. all drilling should be stopped and all the oil rigs should be checked to make sure all safety precautions are being met. and if there is some $500,000 failsafe that BP or transocean or whoever was in charge of this decided they didn't need that would have prevented this mess or at least minimized it, then it should be required on anything that anyone does with regards to oil drilling.

[RandomThoughts]

3. How would being prepared help in quarterly profits?

But to be honest, they probably were trusting in voices that just tell them what to do, happens after people sell out. That is why so many groups think they are doing God's work, because they are hearing spiritual voices. However there are two sides, and many can't tell the difference, they just think power means it is good.

And now that those voices are being broken up, they are either without guidance, or being guided to do bad stuff from bad side. Or they are being giving delusions with fear or a delusion with some other thing like aliens, or pet doctrine, some might even have delusions of having some kind of power themselves. That would be my guess on it.

[RandomThoughts]

2. shrug

Who knows, but at least we are hearing about how messed up it is. I agree BP should not be in charge of such things. But at least we are hearing a little about it, if the stories are true.

Like them not letting reporters on a beach? And having coast guard follow there orders?

If profit motive is responsible for safety or environment what do they do, worry about profit and PR, they would do the same thing in clean up.

That is why profit motive can not set social policy, it really is pretty simple. It has been made complicated to hide that simple part, so that people can have an excuse to do the profit skimming for the few that sell out.


:shrug:


You know, when you see injustice on a huge level, there is two ways to handle it. Just destroy the injustice, but eventually it goes around or everything gets destroyed, or you correct things. One is nihilism, the other is correcting things.

But it is really hard not to just want much of the stuff just squashed, that is the exact thought of those that want population reduction, or people not in their group to die.

So you have to realize that and not go to that side, but try to correct things, even though you know all the mess ups are trying to get you to join the destruction thoughts.

So you have to count to 10, and keep thinking on better ways and justice, and that is not always easy.

[Are_grits_groceries]

6. Please.

I have counted to ten so many times about things regarding this gusher that I am doing it in different languages now.

I also want to correct things. If you would tell me how, I would like to know what they are. It is apparent that listening to people isn't high on their list. When I voted for change, I didn't expect a turn in this direction.

As far as knowing a little, people who should know a lot are being shut out. If I am too lowly to inform, reputable scientists certainly aren't. If they were being brought in, I would feel better. I would unless they were required to sign a nondisclosure agreement.

I am not proposing putting on a red shirt and taking to the streets. I am trying to think of effective solutions. What I can think of has been tried or is being ignored.

I would bloody well send inspectors to every deep water rig for a surprise inspection to see what has gone on there. By now, they may have anticipated this and taken appropriate measures to hide what they can.

I readily admit to taking off like a bottle rocket. However, I don't act until I have landed and am thinking carefully about the problem. I know not do anything on my first impulse. I have found that to be counterproductive.

I may want too much action by people besides BP. However, I don't see any action that isn't linked to BP. It is all suspect. This course also does not bode well for other problems in other areas. Because of the handling of this disaster, I don't trust much that's said. That isn't any way to inspire confidence in the government overall.

[RandomThoughts]

7. You ask the question within the context of your thoughts.

For profit kicking millions of people out of houses, lowering population, wars, starvation, disease, non of that was more important then profit, why would cleaning up an oil spill be more important, or accurate reporting on it?

The one thing we have, is most people are more good then bad, and many good people are working on problems. Although there are many that sold out and are on a continual bad phone also.


Personally I have been on strike for most of the last decade.

Have not been driving a car, rarely buying anything, and been fighting with every thought I can. I do have a beer occasionally when I can afford it, and even went to work a couple times just to see if things had changed a few years ago.

Not that I am saying that is a best path, nor recommending that path to people, anyone can find something they can do. What not to buy, what not to respect. And speak to friends about what you feel is happening. And many people in jobs can make much difference from where ever they do work.

I wont turn to violence or destruction, and they actually laugh at both that and about someone in my situation having no money. I live off a donated room and board. And without financial security relationships would not be fair to ladies, so again it is not what I recommend as a best choice of life, but I also have seen some things that are really wonderful. And it matches parts of my skill set, although not because I am better or anything, nor is it something to brag on, just best thing I could think of. But things can be done by anyone by just speaking up, and thining and feeling on many things.

The only thing I could think of was to not join their way of life, and try to express my thoughts on the topics, if people stopped giving them perks by thinking money means more then other things in life the problem would be fixed pretty quick.

[Karenina]

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[Richard Steele]

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[Karenina]

8. BTW, here's Costner's machine...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x465315

[merkins]

9. It's Insanity. It's Facism. It's Wrong.

K&R