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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:30 AM
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BUSH ADMIN - Warned Of "Spectacular, Multiple & Simultaneous Attacks" & Did NOTHING! (Robert Parry)
Edited on Mon May-07-07 07:40 AM by kpete
Tenet-Bush Pre-9/11 'Small Talk'

By Robert Parry
May 6, 2007


In late August 2001, when aggressive presidential action might have changed the course of U.S. history, CIA Director George Tenet made a special trip to Crawford, Texas, to get George W. Bush to focus on an imminent threat of a spectacular al-Qaeda attack only to have the conversation descend into meaningless small talk.

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Rich B. told Rice that the attack will be “spectacular” and designed to inflict heavy casualties against U.S. targets, Tenet wrote.

“Attack preparations have been made,” Rich B. said about al-Qaeda’s plans. “Multiple and simultaneous attacks are possible, and they will occur with little or no warning.”

When Rice asked what needed to be done, the CIA’s Black responded, “This country needs to go on a war footing now.” The CIA officials sought approval for broad covert-action authority that had been languishing since March, Tenet wrote.

Despite the July 10 briefing, other senior Bush administration officials continued to pooh-pooh the seriousness of the al-Qaeda threat. Two leading neoconservatives at the Pentagon – Stephen Cambone and Paul Wolfowitz – suggested that the CIA might be falling for a disinformation campaign, Tenet wrote.


more at:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/050607.html
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:31 AM
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1. Of course they did nothing
How else were they going to get what they wanted?
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 06:52 PM
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59. How else would W be handed his "trifecta?"
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SleeplessinSoCal Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 02:40 AM
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103. They wanted and got "a new Pearl Harbor"
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 08:36 AM
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110. Absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.
This was what they had been waiting for, and it has forever since changed this country for the worse...
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:34 AM
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2. I'm beginning to wonder if the sole purpose for the war on Iraq
was to cover this up. While the war is a criminal enterprise, far worse would be the fact that the President and his people had been warned about 9/11 and did nothing.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:36 AM
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4. Rec'd. Interesting possibility, though PNAC was
Edited on Mon May-07-07 07:37 AM by babylonsister
gunning for Iraq since the 90s. Oil won out over common sense.
But they sure did need to distract from all the mistakes made.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 06:09 PM
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53. Yes, the Iraq War was (and is) multi-purpose
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:39 AM
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5. But the intention to attack Iraq predated 9-11.
In fact, the infamous PNAC paper was musing about the value of a "Pearl Harbor" event as a precipitant of an attack on Iraq in the 90's. I have to think that the plot is deeper than a simple coverup of a bungle. More like they did nothing because they didn't want to interfere with the unfolding of their new Pearl Harbor.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:10 PM
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65. Here's what bothers me about that

Turn the clock back to the 1992 elections and you find things like "If the economy does not improve, or gets worse, then it will help the Democrats in the elections."

Making an observation such as that does not mean that the Democrats are actively working to MAKE the economy go sour, or that the Democrats WANT the economy to go sour.

The PNAC paper is premised on the position that the US consumes a disproportionate share of the world's resources in order to maintain its standard of living.

We see plenty of people on DU who don't want foreigners to "take our jobs" or who otherwise see international trade as a threat.

Now, either we find some path toward global equity, or we maintain US domination of world resources, but we can't have both. The PNAC'ers are of the "maintain domination" opinion, and the paper sets forth that it would be hard to justify the requisite exercise of force without a precipitating and justifying event. That does not mean they were planning one or facilitating one.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #65
106. >That does not mean they were planning one or facilitating one.
It does not rule out that they were planning or facilitating one. All of the other evidence, including inaction on the warnings received, needs to be considered to make such a judgement.

Bill
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 02:38 AM
Response to Reply #5
102. Yep.
The whole incompetence/willful ignorance angle popping up recently with all the Tenet disclosures is just a limited hangout.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #2
7. They had plenty to hide
And they still don't want to discuss WTC 7. Six years of silence...



(No plane hit WTC 7, by the way.)



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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:06 AM
Response to Reply #7
10. But the north wall of WTC1 did...
:shrug:
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #10
14. How do you know? How come the $600,000 FEMA report
didn't say so? FEMA ignored the reports of structural
damage to WTC7--presumably because they were all over
the map. One guy said a 20-story gash, another said
a three-story hole, and another said it was a bulge in the
SW corner between 10 and 13--but if this photo from
NYPD is genuine and shows what some claim it does, there
is no SW corner between 10 and 13.

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #14
61. ...because I have it on videotape.
Edited on Mon May-07-07 07:03 PM by Cooley Hurd
:)

On edit: that pic of wtc7 doesn't show its south face, which is what the north face of wtc1 hit.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #61
86. Your video does not show the north wall of WTC1 hitting WTC7.
Edited on Mon May-07-07 09:49 PM by petgoat
Telephoto lenses have a way of foreshortening, so a shot of a pitcher's
back make it look like he's standing right in front of the batter.

Sorry--you have a videotape of an optical illusion.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 05:59 AM
Response to Reply #86
104. No, because photographic evidence shows the north wall of wtc1...
...came down like a tree, smashing a swath thru wtc5 and into wtc7. I've presented all of this in previous posts, but those who the truth is a threat to their worldview will always be blind, so I'm not going to waste my time a second time posting it again.:hi:
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #104
107. Oh, I see. The old "I already presented this evidence" gambit.
Now when I go to the trouble to write up a body of evidence
and put my photos on youtube and all that, I'll present that
stuff over and over and over ad nauseum.

But you're a different animal, I see.

Not a very credible animal, but a different one.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #107
114. Do a search in the 9/11 forum under my DU name...
;)
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #114
118. Do it yourself. Don't make claims you're not prepared to back up. nt
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #118
120. Ummmmkay...
:eyes:
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #10
19. So? Look at the damage to the uncollapsed WTC 3 building
It was hammered by huge pieces of the tower and was on fire.

Yet somehow, someway, it managed to remain standing despite extreme damage.





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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #19
36. Ah, but then WTC3 didn't have the SEC offices in it that WTC7
had, did it?

Nor did it have the CIA office, the D0D office, the Secret Service
office, or Rudy's bulletproof bombproof emergency command bunker.

So why would WTC3 fall down?
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #36
51. Who benefited from the lack of SEC investigations?
Hmmmm.

It damned sure wasn't Osama.

But someone benefited. And someone (else?) was going to benefit from all the put options.

If you listen closely you can hear the OCT crumble....
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #19
62. Different design than wtc5 & 7...
:shrug:
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #62
90. WTC7 had the unique structure of the transfer trusses bridging
and cantilevering over an electrical substation, which makes
its falling-down-the-elevator-shaft straight down collapse all
the more bizarre.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #62
112. Special pleading is not allowed
OCTers like to say that the buildings that collapsed had "special" or "unique" designs.

No they didn't. They were steel-framed buildings designed to withstand all of the loads, both gravitational and non-gravitational, that every building must face.





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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:32 AM
Response to Reply #2
11. Allowing this to happen, and maybe helping it happen made Iraq possible
PNAC needed their "Pearl Harbor" attack to launch their bid for world domination.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #2
22. more likely it's the other way around
the purpose of 9/11 was to cover up the real reasons for invading Iraq
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Chipster Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #2
28. Why Isn't That Credible?
Why isn't it credible that the purpose of the war in Iraq was to cover up that Bush was warned about 911 and did nothing?

We know that Bush knew that the New Orleans levees would breach, and we know that he did nothing with that information, when he could have saved at least lives if not property if he would have contacted Louisiana officials. So, in another life-threatening circumstance, Bush did nothing. That isn't benign neglect; it's CRIMINALneglect.

Knowing about 911 and doing nothing would have been treasonous and impeachable.

I'd quibble with the thought that it was the sole purpose of the Iraq invasion, though. The interests of PNAC and the oilboyz also played a part.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #28
67. It is more credible than the other way around
It is true that 9-11 made Iraq possible, but just barely. It was not a good excuse. It was a blatant lie. Everybody with half a brain knew there was no link to Saddam. 9-11 was emphatically not a plausible justification of attacking to go into Iraq.

Bush could have had his Iraq war without 9-11. It was only a matter of demonizing Saddam and his mighty frightful WMDs.

Meanwhile, 9-11 made plenty of OTHER things possible, such as the PATRIOT act I and II, NSA wiretaps, lots and lots of other things. Iraq may have been a diversion not from Bush's complicity in 9-11 (or not only that), but mainly from what he was doing domestically. "War on terror" is a great catchphrase but isn't very war-like, you know? It's merely a slogan. There's nothing like a real war, with troops in harm's way, to keep peoples' mouths shut about civil rights or about a proper ionvestigation into 9-11.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #2
45. I think, rather, that they allowed the attacks to happen through doing nothing to justify going into
Iraq and then, later, into Iran (the grand prize for the neocons)
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #45
81. I think they were & are totally incompetent but also planned to go to Iraq somehow &
911 provided the perfect opportunity. Go after al Qaeda in Afghanistan and while the sheeple are scared about 911, go after Saddam and "easy targets" in Iraq. One of which BigOil-Cheney thought was the massive oil reserves.

I am so tired of these criminals still running the country and the war with no end in sight. :cry: They have ruined us and must be brought to justice.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #2
54. No. The purpose of 9/11 was to get the war on Iraq.
And the Patriot Act. And HAVA, the Prevent Americans from Voting Or Having Their Votes Counted Act.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. 9/11 was the Reichstag Fire of America.
Read up on it. Hitler blamed it on his enemies but he is thought to have directed it. Like a false flag operation.
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #57
80. Makes sense since the Bush family was in Bed with Hitler!
October 17, 2006,Will be remembered as the Enabling day of the 21st Century!
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures..."
~Adolf Hitler, March 23, 1933, before the German Parliament (Reichstag) as he urged them to pass his "Enabling Act"

Got Fascism Yet?


http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bush-nazilinkconfirmed.htm

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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:36 AM
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3. This is huge....and it looks even worse now as we look back but
I do not forgive Tenet. The more he talks up his book the more I want him indicted for not warning the American people by quitting and getting this on the news docket. The president's stupidity should have been front and center in 2001 and maybe we could have avoided the war in Iraq and concentrated on Osama.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:41 AM
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6. The attacks were the perfect excuse to execute their long standing plans.
No wonder bushilini wasn't startled to hear the news about the attacks while sitting in the Florida classroom listening to the reading of "The Pet Goat", he already knew the attacks were coming.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #6
25. Andrew Card's reaction is even more telling, IMO
he whispers "America is under attack" into the Commander-in-chief's ear, and DOES NOT WAIT FOR A RESPONSE from him.

Bush just sitting there is bad enough. Card knowing that he would just sit there is even worse
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #25
55. Unless what he really said was "It's started."
Which would require no response.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. exactly!
I don't know what he said, but it damned sure wasn't "America is under attack", unl;ess he is the most clueless incompetent chief of staff in all of human history

he KNEW there would be no response
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #25
66. You assume we know
Edited on Mon May-07-07 07:35 PM by marekjed
what Card really said to Bush. We will never know was was actually said.

Question: are such events routinely videotaped (non-professionally)? Does it require permission? Because, if you believe MIHOP like I do, you have to wonder if we were meant to see Bush embracing My Pet Goat while NYC was burning.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #66
92. What if Card said "77 and 93 are late. Stall half an hour."?
That leaves Bush sitting there on pins and needles going
"What's happening? Am I being set up?"
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #92
111. Sounds about right to me (nt)
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #25
94. EXACTLY!!!
seriously, you're going to walk up to him, instead of pulling him away IMMEDIATELY, but, say, ok, he DOES go up to whisper this in his ears - "America is under attack" and walks offffff? HUH? No way he does this w/o looking at Bush to make sure he understands what Card is telling him, unless, he was just telling him "it's begun" in code...

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- check it out, top '08 stuff
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blondie58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:49 AM
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8. this is inexcusable
Heads should roll.

Thanks for posting this, kpete.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:55 AM
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9. MIHOP or LIHOP
'Made it happen on purpose' or 'let it happen on purpose' - doesn't matter does it as the outcome was the same. It gave *co momentum to go to Iraq where they had wanted to go since 1991. Rumsfeld was talking about war with Iraq on 9/12/01 for chrissakes.

Raise your hand if you don't think *co was responsible for 9/11. IMO, the matter of degree is only item to be debated. We need new investigations into the many remaining outstanding questions about that event. Who benefited from this crime? Oil prices skyrocketed so oil execs and stockholders made a bundle, *co has a blank check to trash the constitution and the bill of rights and gained more power than than any previous admin in US history. Halliburton has made billions so far and who has a vested interest in that company I wonder.

IMPEACH. INDICT. IMPRISON

:mad:
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #9
16. MIHOP or LIHOP
I like the way David Kubiak puts it:

" LIHOP was treason, MIHOP was treason, so we really didn't care if we hung the bastards with a six or twelve foot rope as long as all the relevant feet twitched in the air."

http://911conspiracy.blogspot.com/2005/09/david-kubiak-responds-to-nico-haupt.html
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #16
17. I agree.
I just want the punishment of these criminals to happen in my lifetime. I want what they planned and did made public and I want policies and procedures put in place so it won't happen again.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #16
26. Well said.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #16
69. There is a difference though
LIHOP is treason, but keeps the story, the myth, of 19 hijackers directed by OBL intact. Bush takes the fall, while the real plotters laugh all the way to the bank. Oh wait, they ARE the bank.

I really think the story is "My Pet Scapegoat". In Sarasota Bush was hung out to dry, in preparation maybe for what we are now hoping (if we dare hope at all) is going to happen: the media finally getting smart about Bush's incompetence, followed by impeachment. Bush's role was to do nothing, to "let it happen on purpose". But it was not Osama who told Bush to play this act, it was not Osama who sabotaged Robert Wright's investigation at the FBI, it was not Osama who planned umpteen military drills (Webster Tarpley is up to twenty or so, but maybe he's going overboard; we do know about four or five), it was not Osama who changed FAA-NORAD notification procedures, and it was not Osama who warned Ashcroft not to fly, and, and, and...


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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #16
99. that's a good one! nt
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #9
40. LIHOP is MIHOP by only a matter of degree.
9/11 was a false flag operation, an inside job, a falsified provocation for draconian laws at home and unprovoked attacks abroad. Welcome to the Twentyfirst century.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #40
46. Not much of a welcome...
:scared:

Are there many who don't suspect as much anymore? Given Katrina, Iraq, Plame, and now the US Attorney crime - why not discuss 9/11 along with the others?
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. Indeed, why not discuss this openly?
There are a several reasons that have been put forward or emplied. 1) Since there has been no official investigation into the crime of 9/11, there is no way to establish 'fact' in relation to the case. What we have is thousands of web pages discussing the various inconsistencies and mysteries but nothing that can be pointed to as anything much more than 'opinion', howbeit some more educated than others. 2) Since 'fact' has not been established what we are left with is hypothesis and theory which can be debated endlessly with no resolution -- everyone left to believe whatever they want. 3) As soon as one posts information here that questions the government's position, what happens is a group of well oiled posters attack it and the thread very quick devolves into flame-fest. 4) There is the problem of public perception and how it reflects on DU in specific and Democrats in general. Since 'fact' has not been established and will not be established until there is an investigation that asks the hard questions (if we can ever get that to happen), discussion of this matter and commentary can be used by the opposition to label DU and Democrats as 'nutters' and worse. 5) Finally, I suppose, we also have to acknowledge that whatever the facts of the case may be they ultimately fall under the heading of 'national security'. Exposing the truth of 9/11 will ultimately call into question a whole panoply of connections between government, corporate power, military and media that our society may not yet be ready to face and deal with effectively. My opinion is that we can never be safe so long as the truth remains unknown and unspeakable. There is no greater threat to our national security.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. "There is no greater threat to our national security."
I am right there with you. What happened to our 'government for the people, by the people'? Can anarchy be too far behind if this is left unaddressed for too many more years?

We need a real bi-partisan and maybe an international investigation into what happened that day.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #40
70. More than a matter of degree
Edited on Mon May-07-07 07:58 PM by marekjed
It is more than a matter of degree. LIHOP is still "blowback", Islamic fundamentalists hating America's freedom, or, for more rationally inclined audience, Islamic fundamentalists hating America's interference in their lands. LIHOP indicts Bush and lots of his people, but does not touch the main story. You can prove LIHOP, impeach Bush, and at the same time keep the PATRIOT act intact, keep the illegal wiretaps, keep Guantanamo going, keep the war on terror going, keep devastating Iraq, and keep the heroin flow from Afghanistan going as in the good old days.

But MIHOP puts a stop to all of this, immediately.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:03 PM
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73. Good point.
The question is, how much did they Bush administration actually know about what was about to go down. All these 'intelligence briefings' provide the cover story -- but even they've been covered up. I find it difficult to believe that Chey/Rumsfeld did not know the full story -- as deeply embedded as they have been in the national security infrastructure most of their political careers. Bush/Rice, on the other hand, that is harder to say. I think what I'm really getting at here is that if there were to be a real investigation, the one would lead to the other. They can talk all they want about who hijacked what planes but they still have the problem of accounting for buildings pulverizing at near free-fall speed, not to mention an alleged Flight 77 data recorder whose data doesn't match the official account. Such evidence as that can't be kept within the bounds of the 'alQaeidadoneit' story.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:10 PM
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76. Quite right
And I've just realized the guy who warns Bush to go "on a war footing now" is Cofer Black - head of the CIA’s counterterrorism office before and on 9-11, and now vice chairman at Blackwater USA. There's a guy who can make his own bed. There's a guy to go for MIHOP.

I do think Bush, Rice and the rest of them were played for the hapless dopes that they have long proven to be. The Neocons' ideology sure helped, too. But if we follow the money, we arrive at people like Cofer Black.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:34 AM
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12. the way this administration thinks about human life that it is
expendable, I wouldn't put it pass them that they were completely involved with the 9/11 attacks.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 10:48 AM
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13. I wrote about this three years ago: "Tenet's Perjury"
Edited on Mon May-07-07 10:50 AM by leveymg
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0406/S00098.htm



UQ Wire: Tenet Lied Under Oath To 9/11 Commission
Wednesday, 9 June 2004, 1:37 pm
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NEWS RELEASE ----- NEWS RELEASE ----- NEWS RELEASE ----


TENET LIED UNDER OATH TO 9/11 COMMISSION ABOUT 8/24/01 MEETING WITH PRESIDENT - AGENCY COMPOUNDS MISREPRESENTATION

* CIA Statement Omits Key Date From List of Bush-DCI Meetings in Weeks Before 9/11
* What Did Bush, Tenet, Rumsfeld and Gen. Myers Talk About in Crawford, TX Three Weeks Before the Attacks - One Day After the Flt. 77 Hijackers Were Watchlisted by the CIA?
From Mark G. Levy
Washington, DC, June 7, 2004 - Former CIA Director George Tenet committed perjury in his April 14 testimony before the 9/11 Commission when he claimed he had not met with President Bush in the month before the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. That misrepresentation in Tenet's testimony was noted within hours by Agence France-Presse.

The following day, AP reported the CIA issued what was described as a correction after the Director "misspoke." The Agency asserted that its records showed Tenet meeting with Bush on August 17 and 31, and then on at least six occasions in September prior to Tuesday, the 11th.

However, that CIA announcement omits mention of the visit that then DCI Tenet apparently made to the President's Crawford, Texas ranch on August 24. The White House website on August 25 quotes a remark made by George W. Bush that he met with Tenet the previous day.

In a verbatim transcript, the President is quoted during an impromptu walking tour of Bush's Crawford, TX ranch that he had met the day before with CIA Director and newly appointed members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and National Security Advisor Rice were also present at a Presidential press conference in Crawford on the 24th, according to the White House press notice issued that day. In the August 25 transcript, the President Bush states to reporters and visitors:

THE PRESIDENT: " . . . Yesterday, we spent -- well, they arrived at 10:00 a.m. It took a while to get the press conference. We got back here at about 11:30 a.m. and met until 5:15 p.m. I think they left. That's the longest meeting I've had in a long time, on a very important subject . . .

Q When you have those business meetings, like the Joint Chiefs briefing, do you like to keep it separate from the living quarters on the ranch?

THE PRESIDENT: Actually, you know, what we call the governor's house, the place where you all came out during the -- that's where we went. Condi and Karen Hughes stayed there. And right across the street from that is a -- it's a nice looking government doublewide. (Laughter.) And that's where the mil aide, the nurse, the WHCA head, the doc, they stay.

The CIA briefings, I have on our porch, the end of our porch looking out over the lake. When Tenet came up, that's where we visited, out there.

You know, everybody wants to see the ranch, which I'm proud to show it off. So George Tenet and I -- yesterday, we piled in the new nominees for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the Vice Chairman and their wives and went right up the canyon. "http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/08/20010825-2.html>

The "very important subject" discussed for almost six hours by Bush with his core national security team would likely have been the CIA's action the day before placing four wanted Al-Qaeda terrorists on the "watchlist" of persons to be detained if located in the US. On August 23 the Agency sent "cables to the State Department, the FBI, and the Immigration and Naturalization Service, requesting that 'four bin Laden related individuals' including Almidhar and Alhazmi, be placed on the watchlist." (Washington Post, A8, September 21, 2002) Two of those - Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf Alhazmi - subsequently led the hijacking of American Airlines Flight 77 that slammed into the Pentagon.

The pair had been the subject of CIA-directed surveillance since at least late 1999, when they were followed by the CIA to an Al-Qaeda planning session in Kuala Lumpur, at which they were observed meeting with a ranking terrorist operations director and Mohamed Atta's roommate, Ramzi Binalshibh, who subsequently wired money to them from Germany. Binalshibh also sent funds to Zacarias Moussaoui, who in October 2000 stayed at the same Al-Qaeda safehouse in Malaysia while on his way to the United States. On August 15, Moussaoui was arrested by the FBI at a Minnesota flight school.

If Tenet did not take the opportunity to discuss these events with the President, he committed one of the worst acts of derelection of duty in CIA history. Former DCI George Tenet is generally held to be a thorough and responsible intelligence executive. It is simply implausible that Tenet and Bush did not discuss the 9/11 hijackers when they met in Crawford on August 24.

A special prosecutor needs to be appointed to investigate CIA Director Tenet's apparent perjury on April 14 and the Agency's material misrepresentation of fact in its statement the next day. The former CIA Director and the President need to reveal publicly, and under oath, what was discussed at their numerous meetings in the weeks before 9/11, and why this has been concealed.


ATTACHMENTS

1. Agence France-Presse report reprint (April 15, 2004)

INTERNATIONALTERROR-TENET-CIA CIA says Tenet did meet with Bush in August 2001

WASHINGTON, April 15 (AFP) The CIA today said that its director, George Tenet, personally briefed President George W. Bush in August 2001, countering a statement Tenet made to the commission investigating the September 11 attacks. "We looked at his schedule," a CIA spokeswoman told AFP. "Mr. Tenet did fly down to Texas and briefed the president on August 17." He also briefed Bush on August 31 in Washington, she added. Tenet briefed Bush at least six times in the first eight days of September 2001, as well, the spokeswoman said. And "the whole time that President Bush was in Texas," vacationing on his ranch, he had a senior CIA analyst with him and received a daily report from the CIA, she said. Tenet yesterday told the commission he did not meet with Bush in August 2001. "I didn't see the president. I was not in briefings with him during this time. He was on vacation; I was here" in Washington, he said. "In this time period, I'm not talking to him," Tenet added, noting that they had not even spoken by phone at the time. The month before the attacks has come under particular scrutiny after the inquiry discovered that Bush received a briefing on August 6, 2001 about al-Qaeda activities in the United States.

2. AP Wire Reprint (April 15, 2004)

KHOU.com Houston, TX

Tenet misspoke about not meeting Bush in August 2001

Associated Press

WASHINGTON, D.C. - CIA Director George Tenet misspoke Wednesday when he told a federal panel reviewing the Sept. 11 attacks that he did not meet with President Bush in August 2001. Under questioning by commissioner Tim Roemer, Tenet said he never spoke with Bush during the month before the attacks, a period marked by concern over possible terrorist strike. "He was on vacation and I was here," Tenet said, although he added that he could have picked up the phone and called the president at any time if he had felt the need to communicate with him. In fact, Tenet flew to Texas to brief Bush on Aug. 17, 2001, and briefed the president again on Aug. 31 when Bush returned to Washington, a spokesman for Tenet said later in the day. During the first eight days of September, Tenet briefed Bush at least six times, the spokesman said.

Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Further Sources:

For more information, go to: http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00257 <...>

For a more general introduction: http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/09/26_failed.html

Acknowledgments and Notes on Sources:

1. The existence of the 8/25/01 White House press notice was first publicly noted by Michael Wright, whose cooperation is appeciated. His writings on 9/11-related topics are available at: http://www.jerrypippin.com/Wright_OP.htm

2. The AFP and AP wire stories appear in secondary outlets. The news accounts reprinted above are believed to be accurate, but others may wish to verify the veracity of the information by communication with the originating news agencies and their sources. Reproduction herein of those materials is covered by the Fair Use Doctrine, Title 17, Chap. 1, Sec. 107; this press release may be reproduced in whole or part.

3. No endorsement is made here of any conclusions, positions, or statements that other parties might have previously expressed about the facts referenced in this story. The opinions expressed above are solely those of the author.


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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:06 PM
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64. Lies and the lying liars that tell them
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 10:47 PM
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95. Good work, Mark! nt
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 10:53 AM
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15. Read David Ray Griffin's "The New Pearl Harbor" for excellent
Edited on Mon May-07-07 10:54 AM by mnhtnbb
analysis of many, many unanswered questions about that day, 9/11.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 12:58 PM
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18. What more do we need?
How can we allow these people to stay in power?
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 01:03 PM
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20. C'mon, everybody knows the Democrat party is weak on defense
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 01:24 PM
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21. Yup!
It is definitely Bill Clinton's fault. After all, he was President when the attacks occured. If he'd just stayed off that damned ranch in August.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

How much more SHIT does this country have to endure?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 10:04 PM
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91. The Democrat party is weak on politics
Most of this was known by 2004, yet none of it was raised in the campaign. The rethugs can go after a decorated veteran's war record (purple band-aids, anyone?), but nobody on the Dem side could take on *'s record on 9/11. :banghead:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 01:43 PM
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23. Wolfowitz & Cheney wanted their "New Pearl Harbor"
what more do you need to know? they're criminals.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 01:46 PM
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24. The cover story is collapsing K&R nt
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 02:07 PM
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27. Finally. It's been a long 6 years..K & R
Edited on Mon May-07-07 02:21 PM by glitch
Edit: actually it's not true that they did nothing. They put Rumsfeld in charge of sending up air defense to air emergencies, effecting a stand down by putting a bottleneck between FAA and Norad.
Some set up put options on UAL and AAL. Bush went on vacation, Cheney went into hiding, Ashcroft stopped flying commercial. There's more of course, these are just off the top of my head.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 03:03 PM
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29. That's the Tenet news we need to concentrate on - not the shiny distraction
Edited on Mon May-07-07 03:04 PM by The Count
where left joins right in attacking Tenet.
We already knew from Richard Clarke that Tenet was running like his har was on fire trying to get a reaction from Jr - who wouldn't leave any brush uncut instead.
Instead, we are joining the wolf pack and yell with Woody for tenet's head - as if it's not SOP from BFEE to discredit anyone who tells the truth about them.
Thanks, Robert Parry for bringing the spotlight back to where it belongs!
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #29
98. Bravo! Good analysis! nt
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Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 03:13 PM
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30. Right around Ashcroft flying 'private jets' for unnamed 'security' reasons...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml


snip...
"(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat."






These criminals have to be brought to justice.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 03:24 PM
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33. and yet the Media Establishment can't or WON'T connect the dots
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Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 03:29 PM
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34. I used to think 'won't'
but now I am opening myself up some to maybe they 'can't'.

I cannot keep up with all the crimes and the abject control these slime have everywhere.

Alyce
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 03:16 PM
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31. Pelosi '07.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 05:19 PM
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50. I like the way that you think!
Works for me, impeach, indict, imprison and say hello to President Pelosi! :hi:
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 03:18 PM
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32. He's lying...
Everyone knows that we already know everything we need to know about 9/11 and we also know that anything we don't know never happened so he must be lying... There's no way anyone could have predicted 9/11... any evidence to the contrary must of course be discarded as pure coincidence...

One wonders why Mr. Tenet hates America... I hear he likes to diddle young boys too... who you going to believe George Bush or a young boy diddler? You don't want to be associated with child molesters do you? Or maybe you are a child molester and are just helping your buddy by taking his side... you are human garbage...

well of course I'm not talking to you... you don't screw little kids and you definitely don't believe Tenet so I'm not talking to you... but there are slimy scumbags who do and you should hate them... every decent God fearing person does... they're terrorist sympathizers and Nazi appeasers and should be reviled...

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UNCLE_Rico Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 03:33 PM
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35. and it's frighteningly easy to blow up their 'couldn't connect the dots' excuse
Unfortunately, none of this is particularly 'news' and the people who are disinclined to believe in the 'conspiracy theory' of 9/11 will simply cling to the good ol' 'they knew something was coming but they didn't know where, when, how, etc, so how could they have done anything about it?'

Trust me, I've been having this argument with everyone I know for 5 years now.

The thing that really blows this argument up is Zacarias Moussaoui.

As we all know by now, ZM was in custody, plucked out a flight school in MN, and the agent in charge of the case wrote in his notes that this guy is the type to hijack a plane and crash it into the world trade center. Clearly, DOTS WERE BEING CONNECTED, folks!

Subsequently, the US government (I forget if it was CIA or FBI) got info from France saying that ZM was IN AL QAEDA. And guess what the CIA says about that information? THEY NEVER GOT IT. Or, if they did, they lost it!

The lawyers at the FBI HQ (Dave Frasca being the name of the individual who actually took it upon himself to deny the field officers FISA warrant request without ever even letting a FISA judge review it!) basically refused to allow ZM's laptop to be searched, based on their oh-so-credible defense that they would be invading his 'civil rights'. An excuse facilitated ONLY because they conveniently 'lost' literally a HUGE dossier on this guy that was provided by French Intelligence, info that would've made the FISA warrant such a slam-dunk it's pathetic.

Truth is, a warrant to search that machine probably was a slam-dunk even WITHOUT that info, since they were almost never turned down and most certainly wouldn't have been had some high-ranking CIA/FBI types signed their names to it. And given that we know at the time that Tenet's hair was aflame, and red warning lights were flashing, etc, it seems impossible to believe that info about the Moussaoui arrest wasn't handed up the chain of command.

If it truly wasn't, we need to get down to the reason(s) WHY it wasn't, and whoever blocked that info from reaching Tenet and Mueller needs to spend some time at Gitmo getting waterboarded to find out WHO put him up the task of protecting Al Qaeda and their quest to commit the 9/11 atrocities (rather than getting a fat raise and some presidential award for his brave fight against the terra'ists like Dave Frasca ended up getting...)

Couldn't connect the dots MY ASS. Like Colleen Rowley said: There WERE Al-Qaeda MOLES in place in the FBI. And someone needs to figure out who put them there.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #35
58. Good post, welcome to DU! nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 03:57 PM
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37. Can there be any doubt?
LIHOP
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #37
89. Gotta admit, it's hard to believe anybody could be that stupid
Let alone the number of people who knew about this beforehand.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 03:58 PM
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38. But the Queen is here ... wearing a hat and scowling.
:puke:
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 04:27 PM
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42. Heh
I hear ya...
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 04:24 PM
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39. I think...
the oddest thing about this thread is the absence of the Bush admin's defenders, who are well known for jumping a thread in mid-stride, sometimes the second it is posted. Or could it be that certain facts and observations cannot be argued no matter one's expertise in spin and nitpicking. Funny that. Maybe they're waiting for the thread to be relegated to their natural habitat. I know no truther who is comfortable or happy about the most important story of our time relegated to the dungeon. Thanks.
quickesst
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 04:35 PM
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44. "expertise in spin and nitpicking" and remaining loyal to an administration
that lies and dissembles and redirects and covers-up, murders and plunders and hides it all behind a corporate media shiled. I have no patience or respect for their ilk. Every damn one of them should be tombstoned.
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quickesst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 06:59 PM
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60. I can count on one hand...
the number of official story defender's posts that have caused me to stop, back up, and take another look, and all of them were by one poster. I can count on no hands the number of posts and threads that have caused me to doubt what I believe, in general, happened pre-ceding, on, and after 9/11. Truthers get thrown into the dungeon. The oct is there by choice, and they show an almost tangible air of disdain toward any intrusion by way of any new post questioning the official story. Not very good salesmen, but then, I'm not sure that is the purpose. Thanks.
quickesst
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:55 PM
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72. Another odd thing is...
70-plus posts and the thread is still in GD. Now that in itself would indicate a change. Dare I hope?
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 04:26 PM
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41. K&R.nt
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 04:28 PM
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43. And the only mainstream on-air voice was silenced and ridiculed
Rosie.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 04:56 PM
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47. Somehow, I don't think she will be silenced
for too long. Rosie will be back. The View is a silly show anyway.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 05:51 PM
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52. so that`s why he looked like he shit his pants that morning?
he knew he`d have to do something besides read books to children now. i think they lied to him..
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:03 PM
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63. Looks like a lot of people in the 9/11 Forum are correct.
As usual, DUers are waaaay ahead of the curve.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:39 PM
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68. Maybe now the 9/11 forum can come out of the closet. Maybe now more of us realize that
Edited on Mon May-07-07 07:51 PM by Raster

NOTHING about the official version(s) of 9/11 passes the smell test. N-O-T-H-I-N-G! The bush* administration's telling of 9/11 is just as fabricated as Saddam's WMDs.
:kick:74!

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 09:18 AM
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113. Bush KNEW. 9-11, The BCCI Connection
This connects a few dots:



9/11: The BCCI Connection

by Chaim Kupferberg

EXCERPT...

In his landmark article, Chaim Kupferberg uses mostly mainstream sources to reconstruct the making of the Official 9/11 Legend. Here, Kupferberg hypothesizes a covert global infrastructure behind the events of 9/11 - and lifts the veil to catch the lingering scent of BCCI.

With the above-stated hypothesis in mind, one should perhaps cast a discerning eye toward those manning the counter-terror posts in Los Angeles today - for an important element in John O'Neill's New York circle has recently relocated to the West Coast. In particular, O'Neill's friend, John Miller, has left a lucrative job at ABC News in order to work under William Bratton in the Los Angeles counter-terror office. Miller, some might recall, was one of the very few Americans to conduct a face-to-face interview with bin Laden before September 11. Before he had come aboard as a correspondent for ABC News, Miller had worked under Bratton in the NYPD. Bratton, through his acquaintance with O'Neill's friend Jerry Hauer, has also had intimate business dealings with Kroll Associates, the World Trade Center security firm which hired O'Neill.

It is, in fact, security firms like Kroll Associates, Burns Security, Teg, Wackenhut, and their ilk that should garner our interest at least as much as the web of conservative think tanks that have welded in place the parameters of "mainstream" debate - for it is through these very firms that the former stars of law enforcement have gone through the revolving door into the lucrative private sector. It is a world where former military types mix with various operatives of the CIA, FBI, DEA and any number of alphabet soup agencies charged with the security of our nation.

Moreover, the top people in the private security sector have the authority, prestige, and, most importantly, the skill to carry out - successfully and below the radar - the kinds of domestic operations that have been pegged as the province of shaggy al-Qaida operatives. Who, after all, could best ensure that 19 terrorists would be able to make it aboard four separate flights without any real danger of detection? And who, after all, would be best placed to ensure a complete and successful implosion of not just the two Twin Towers, but the neighboring building - 7 World Trade Center - which housed a bio-warfare "command and control bunker" under the direction of Jerry Hauer?

CONTINUED...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP311A.html



Thanks for giving a damn, raster. Now only will The Truth set us free, it will jail the mass-murdering, warmongering traitors.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 07:54 PM
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71. And all our outrage, our
heartbreak, our knowledge, yes years of it, even crossed checked, fact checked, and in our guts we know and it all amounts to bupkus. Nothing. The media, the people that continue to ho hum about their life-you know the conformed majority that are all on prozac-oh yes-I hear endless bitching on DU that TV is the source of all evil and conformity-but what about the fucking DRUGS?-I was on moms site and the majority of those women all on anti-depressants. If we have to be DRUGGED to live our lives is that not a problem? I am not drugged. And yes I am depressed. Is is not a normal response to be angry and depressed knowing things like this? Knowing the lies and death, war and horror and the rest it LEADS to? What is the proper response for negligent homicide for a government that lies,and yes, I will believe to my dying DAY, thinks you and I and all our children are-

COLLATERAL DAMAGE. Means to an END. They know best. Ah yes, well whatever. I know they did shit, are negligent of murder and nothing changes. I just have to live with it-even live with it NOT ON DRUGS. Pardon me if I watch a little Sopranos. You know escapist TeeVEE!I might even get tips on how the mafia err government works.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:04 PM
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74. "go on a war footing now" - THERE IS YOUR REASON
Edited on Mon May-07-07 08:12 PM by marekjed
for 9-11.

Quoting the OP quoting the article: When Rice asked what needed to be done, the CIA’s Black responded, “This country needs to go on a war footing now.” The CIA officials sought approval for broad covert-action authority that had been languishing since March, Tenet wrote.

There you have the motive.

Cofer Black, CIA's counterterrorism chief on 9-11, now head honcho at Blackwater. The country going "on a war footing" is his wet dream. But look, he tried to warn Bush! What a great cover for Mr Black.

ED: tags
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Uncle Roy Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:04 PM
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75. "Okay, you've covered your ass"
is what Bush said to one of the CIA briefers who came down to the pig-farm in Crawford to try to convince Boy George that there really was another reality out there besides his Rovian master-of-the-universe "we create our own" reality.

Bush's statement still leaves me dizzy. What does it mean? What are the implications?

Similarly, his non-reaction (as captured on the teleconference video) when warned of the impending Katrina disaster also leaves me reeling.

I've been watching politics for a long time now (my first vote ever was for Gene McCarthy in '68) but this is the first time I've been totally flummoxed trying to make sense out of an administration.

I've been cursed with a logical mind, and a compulsion to try to make sense out of things. I almost always disagreed with Nixon and Ford and Reagan and Bush-I (and, for that matter, I often disagreed with Carter and Clinton) but at least I thought I understood where these guys were coming from, however warped that place might be. But this current crowd leaves me whomper-jawed (thanks, Molly, yet again...) with befuddlement.

The choices seem to reduce to 2: either 1) Hillary was right, and there really is a vast right-wing conspiracy, or 2) GWB is a totally looney-tunes psychotic who ONLY cares about the political ramifications of things.

To end on an even more dismal note: 1 & 2 aren't mutually exclusive...
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:14 PM
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77. I suggest you read this and see if it helps.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_203.shtml

This is not politics as usual. Or, rather, it is the dark side of the political system that we never see -- except in those occasions when it disrupts the social fabric and then hides itself behind the consequences. Who really owns our government?
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:14 PM
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78. I've waffled on the issue of LIHOP / MIHOP
I'm hesitant to ascribe to malevolence what sheer incompetence can explain. The Bushies* really are as stupid as they seem.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:38 PM
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79. What you post is an example of the problem.
Edited on Mon May-07-07 08:39 PM by Beam Me Up
You think they are incompetent and yet they have accomplished much that darker forces behind them wanted accomplished. If you can wrap your head around the possibility that 9/11 was a covert operation -- a false-flag black-op of strategic proportions carried out with para-military precision -- that even Bush wasn't completely 'in the loop' (plausible deniability and all that), then a whole other picture begins to emerge. See the link in my post #77 above, for example.

edit typo
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 10:29 PM
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93. Do you think Halliburton thinks they are dummies?
Or KBR or Blackwater, or Bechtel... or fill in the black with your favorite defense contractor/energy company ?
Some guys have all the luck don't they? Amazing how incompetence has
led to a never ending war for immense profit.
Astounding that stupidity somehow lead to the very thing the Neo Cons wanted - a new Pearl Harbor.

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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 08:35 AM
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108. Dubya is incompetent
But Poppy isn't. Poppy's friends aren't. Cheney isn't. Cofer "war makes me money" Black, then CIA, now vice-chair at Blackwater, isn't incompetent. Lots of people in key positions who know how to run a business and how to run a war.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 08:50 PM
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82. No "intelligence failure"-9/11 was LIHOP eom.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 09:01 PM
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83. Can we finally stop pretending that LIHOP/MIHOP are "theories" believed by nutcases?
Because that is exactly what happened and it's becoming clearer every day. At the very best they (PNAC neo-cons) allowed it to happen to further their goals and at the very worst they did it themselves. Yes, these people are that bad and that greedy and indifferent to anyone's life. To continue to cling to the mindset that "They would never do that to their own people" is to deny reality. Yes they would and yes they did and they continue to do it in Iraq and around the world.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 09:04 PM
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84. lihop all up on the front page of DU..
this is positively surreal. drippity-drip-drip-kick.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 09:05 PM
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85. As an airline captain, I was getting hijack warnings in July and August 2001.
By July 2001, I was briefing my crews (per company policy) that the FAA had heightened the alert status for potential hijackings (and the plural form was what the FAA used).

When Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft quit riding on the airlines in mid-July, 2001, I took that as a sign. The shit was nearing the fan. My crew briefings became much more detailed and focused on cockpit security.

In August I pulled my entire 401k plan out of the stock market and put it in government money markets. I KNEW that 9/11 was going to happen. I just did not know when or how. Turns out, I was right on about when and about where.

The only good news was with respect to my 401k. I didn't take the 50% hit that most of my pilot buds did after 9/11. And in July and August they thought I was paranoid.

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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 11:15 PM
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97. Promis connections to Cheney and 9/11 confirmed......
The connection between the sophisticated Promis software which could override any communications sytems plays heavily into what transpired on 9/11

"I believe that Dick Cheney also had the ability using evolutions of the PROMIS software, to penetrate and override any other radar computer or communications system in the government."

- Mike Ruppert, in "Summation: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury," from Crossing The Rubicon, p.592


The human side of Ptech is where the thievery and murder come in: among the financiers and programmers of Ptech are apparent members of an international network of organized criminals involved in decades of narcotraffic, gunrunning, money laundering, and terrorism. Their personal and professional connections reach up into the highest levels of the American government, and their activities are still underway.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012705_ptech_pt2.shtml
Interesting point is that one of the founders of Ptech which makes Promis is Adnan Khashoggi, who was seen with the 9/11 highjackers in Venice Florida
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 09:49 PM
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87. If this happened during Clinton's watch, the pugs would be screaming to holy hell
It would be broadcast all over the networks, ad nauseum.
The red states would be up in arms with torches and pitchforks.
storming the castle.

So, what are we doing? Snoring lazily like a cow munching
grass on an foggy New England morning.
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rschalow Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 09:51 PM
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88. The whole story is documented in the book "Bullshit Artist"
Bush was warned dozens of times before 9/11...
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-07-07 10:54 PM
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96. kick and recommend...
...From GD, no less! Great post!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 02:16 AM
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100. kick & recommend n/t
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 02:32 AM
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101. K and R... Who left the light on?
Great Thread!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 06:13 AM
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105. It's so good and right to see this in General discussion
Kicked and recommended.
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 08:36 AM
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109. You bet!
Edited on Tue May-08-07 08:36 AM by marekjed
One more morning kick.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 12:50 PM
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115. ditto that!
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 06:15 PM
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116. I'll second that.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 08:07 PM
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117. Is this thread an historical landmark for DU?
Last night it reached the number one spot on the Greatest page and, furthermore, has yet to be moved to the 9/11 Dungeon.

Congratulations DU :toast:

This screen shot was taken last night around 2 am Pacific time:

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-08-07 11:45 PM
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119. KICK
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