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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 05:49 PM
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Two Police Officers Killed in Arkansas by Possible Aryan Nation Members
Edited on Thu May-20-10 05:57 PM by RamboLiberal
Two West Memphis police officers were killed when they pulled over a white Dodge Caravan on the west side of the city.

The white Dodge Caravan van used by the two suspects is registered to the House Of God's Prayer in New Vienna in Clinton County. Residents said the people who used the church said they were associated with the Aryan Nation and left about 10 years ago.

http://www.wlwt.com/news/23622442/detail.html

The van has been traced to a church in Ohio which we've learned has been linked to a white supremacist group.

A source tells us the church closed about 10-years ago after it was infiltrated by the FBI.

http://www.kfsm.com/news/wreg-west-memphis-shot,0,5575211.story



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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 05:50 PM
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1. They're not racist, just libertarian.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:50 PM
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13. +1
:sarcasm:
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 05:51 PM
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2. Good thing they're white Americans -- otherwise, it'd be terrorism!
n/t
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 01:04 AM
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24. Yup, just another one of those isolated incidents that are so common nowadays
I mean, if the Repubs weren't in denial they might have to draw a conclusion from this, and they simply couldn't handle that.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 05:51 PM
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3. 'House Of God's Prayer'
Lordy.
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 06:01 PM
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4. Probably another wingnut attack on cops...just like what happened in Pittsburgh
Edited on Thu May-20-10 06:03 PM by Kievan Rus
This seems a bit like Pittsburgh last year. Racist wingnut(s) with an assault weapon ambush police.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 06:04 PM
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5. And in April last year another Wingnut killed 2 FL Deputies
Edited on Thu May-20-10 06:07 PM by RamboLiberal
In fact that one had a big "Don't Tread on Me Liberty or Death" Tattoo that was so new it was still bleeding.

Police shot a National Guard soldier 16 times after he killed two sheriff's deputies at a gun range in April, but it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound that ended a chaotic, high-speed chase and shootout, investigators said Thursday.

Joshua Cartwright shot and killed Okaloosa County sheriff's deputies Burt Lopez and Warren "Skip" York, both 45, on April 25 as they tried to arrest him in the parking lot of rural gun range.

According to the report, Cartwright, 28, joined the Army National Guard after Sept. 11, 2001. He washed out of Counter Intelligence training at Fort Huachuaca, Ariz., and attended light mechanic school at Fort Jackson, S.C., before joining the National Guard Unit in Crestview.

The report says Cartwright had been scheduled to be deployed but was "rendered ineligible" after a domestic violence arrest in November. He was then placed on restriction to handle military weapons. He was told that if he was convicted of domestic violence he would terminated from the guard. The court case, however, was resolved.

Family members said Cartwright believed president Obama was anti-American. The day before his death, Cartwright had gotten a tattoo on right arm that read "Don't tread on me/Liberty or death."

http://intimateviolencedeathnews.blogspot.com/2009/10/pensacola-fl-officials-man-killed.html
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 06:46 PM
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6. The War On Drugs... so senseless... No one wins...
Condolences to the families.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 06:48 PM
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7. I thought this bunch in New Vienna sounded familiar
Edited on Thu May-20-10 06:49 PM by RamboLiberal
I read about them in a book called "Into the Devil's Den" which was a story about an informant infiltrating the church & the FBI agent he reported to. Thus bunch had a plot to murder Morris Dees of the SPLC back in the nineties.

From Amazon.com

From Publishers Weekly
In 1996, Dave Hall, an unemployed ex-biker, found himself facing a prison sentence for a minor marijuana charge. With biker friends who associated with the Ohio branch of the Aryan Nations—then considered the FBI's most dangerous domestic terrorist group—and its charismatic, bloodthirsty pastor, Harold Ray Redfeairn, Hall agreed to help the FBI infiltrate the AN. Hall encounters this quasi-Christian cult that interprets the Bible as a bizarre racist, anti-Semitic tract and advocates violent revolution to destroy non-Aryan races. Swallowing his disgust, he patiently wins Redfeairn's confidence, eventually becoming his right-hand man and designated successor. As presented here, the world of gun-obsessed, antigovernment fringe groups, whose weapon-worship becomes their ultimate undoing, horrifies and entertains. Hall's work led to several arrests and eventually crippled the AN, which has not recovered. Neither has Hall, who claims, When you dance with the devil, the devil doesn't change, the devil changes you. The book shifts between Hall's and FBI agent Burkey's perspectives, but the main voice belongs to crime writer Ramsland who knits these stories into a seamless drama filled with suspense, vivid characters and colorful events. (Apr. 15)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.
Product Description
In 1996, the Aryan Nations was considered to be the most dangerous white supremacist group in the United States. This brutally violent neo-Nazi organization dreamed of carving an isolated homeland out of the American northwest–a dream they would finance by robbery, intimidation, and murder. For years, the FBI had sought to infiltrate the Aryan Nations, only to be thwarted by the group’s extreme paranoia of new members.

Enter Dave Hall, a tattooed, 350-pound, six-foot-four former biker. A black belt in martial arts, he could fight, drink, and ride with the best–which is to say, the worst–of them. But Hall was no stereotypical biker. A thoughtful, articulate man blessed with a photographic memory and an unshakeable core of decency, Hall was looking for a new direction in life. After Hall was arrested for his minor involvement in a drug deal, FBI special agent Tym Burkey gave him a choice: go to jail or become an informant. Hall didn’t go to jail.

So began a most unlikely partnership, between a hell-raising former biker and a by-the-book FBI man. The oddest of odd couples, they would slowly forge a unique friendship based on trust and support–a friendship that Hall especially would come to value in the months and years ahead.

For what was supposed to be a short-term assignment grew to something much longer, and bigger in scope, as Hall became the Ohio Aryan Nations leader’s right hand man. And more and more, Hall suspected that a significant terrorist action was being planned, something on the order of the Oklahoma City bombing.

Yet with the clock ticking, Hall found his hold on reality crumbling as he was forced into behaviors and beliefs that repelled him. With the ever-present threat of discovery and death hanging over his head, he felt his psyche start to fragment, leading to estrangement from his family and friends, and vicious bouts of insomnia, night terrors, and panic attacks. But it was too late to back out. Together, Hall and Burkey would have to finish their dance with the Devil.

Harrowing and intense, this true-life thriller is a testament to bravery, dedication, and friendship–and a timely reminder that America’s homegrown terrorists can be just as deadly as those from overseas.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:44 PM
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11. Good catch. (n/t)
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:23 PM
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8. One more link I pulled up
Edited on Thu May-20-10 07:28 PM by RamboLiberal
Anyone remember that famous video of the Kehoe brothers shootout in Wilmington, OH when a Ohio State Patrol Officer stopped them? They were white supremecists/militia and they were coming from that church in New Vienna, OH. Shooting at end of video.

http://www.footypd.com/view_video.php?viewkey=2d6d4f975380ee45ef8d&page=1&viewtype=&category=mr
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:42 PM
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10. Damn
That was frightening
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:25 PM
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9. We were right
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 12:59 AM
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22. But Janed Napolotano was obviously just a left-wing hatemonger, right?
Right?


Damn the Republicans.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:49 PM
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12. RIP Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans
Set aside the war on most drugs, set aside one's personal feelings on the reach of police power - these two men did not deserve to be shot and killed because the people they pulled over didn't like cops.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:51 PM
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14. Is it time for Napolitano to release that report again??!!!!
Let's see the freepnuts dispute it this time!! :mad:
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 07:54 PM
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15. I am sorry that the cops were killed.
Edited on Thu May-20-10 08:35 PM by political_Dem
correction: the suspects, I read, were later killed in a second shootout. So, they weren't brought into custody, as I thought.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:11 PM
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16. The guy lying on the ground doesn't look too good... is he dead?
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:28 PM
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18. I think so. And there's another body there, too.
You can see the hand near the back left tire of the van. :(
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 12:24 AM
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20. He's taking a well deserved a dirt nap. - n/t
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 08:25 PM
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17. But...aren't we supposed to doubt the cops' story; assume excessive force; call them fucking pigs or
Edited on Thu May-20-10 08:30 PM by Skip Intro

something?


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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-10 09:50 PM
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19. Apparently the force wasn't too excessive - it didn't prevent them from getting killed... EOM
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 01:01 AM
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23. I'm surprised too.
The usual DU hatred of LEOs isn't here.
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1mookie Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 12:44 AM
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21. We may have a couple of Christio-Fascists on our Mitts
New Vienna, Ohio was the home of the Jesus Christ Christian Church, led by a self proclaimed white supremacist, the Aryan Nation Church and its leader Ray Redfairn, made headlines 13 years ago.

The van involved in Thursday's shooting in West Memphis, AR, was registered to the House Of God's Prayer, and that address is 143 West Main Street in New Vienna. Clinton County, OH records show the New Vienna property is owned by something called The Universal Life Of The Good Shepherd Church. It has an address 50 miles away in Middletown, OH.

Butler County records show the Middletown property is owned by Hoge and Mary Tabor. A man named Hoge Tabor is prominently mentioned in a book about the Aryan Nation in Ohio. Tabor told FOX19 on the phone that he indeed owns the New Vienna property, but then hung up the phone.
Source:By Stefano DiPietrantonio – bio |email

CINCINNATI, OH (FOX19)
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