James Carville: The Obama Administration is risking everything by going along with BP

[Karmadillo]

He said this tonight on CNN to Anderson Cooper. The other guest said BP has been in coverup mode and there may be criminal indictments regarding their behavior.

[jillan]

1. Sadly - I agree.

[Raine]

14. Me too nt

[emilyg]

18. Me3

[Ichingcarpenter]

28. Me4

But I think Obama will hopefully get tougher after seeing he was blindsided

[rhett o rick]

35. Does it feel weird to be agreeing with Carville? nm

[ShortnFiery]

38. Yes it does.

Time for a shower! ;) :silly:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

49. We are being held hostage

by the failure of the fourth estate and a government in collusion with corporations. Sounds like...

[Proud Liberal Dem]

2. So, is he suggesting that Obama administration is covering up something?

Helping BP cover up? What? :shrug:

[pocoloco]

4. duh............

[BrklynLiberal]

3. Even when I agree with him, he turns my stomach.

[glitch]

8. You and me both. :(-- nt

[EFerrari]

19. Ditto.

[Lorien]

26. Yep, he is a creepy little DLC gnome

but the messenger matters less than the message here.

[Cleita]

5. I'm personally sick of the wholesale triangulation

that is going on in Washington as a whole, not just the WH, with what are for all intents and purposes criminals. First there was the HCR joke, then the coal mine tragedy and now this. :-(

I find myself longing for Harry Truman, a President who was not afraid to make an unpopular decisions, no matter whether he was right or wrong.

[glitch]

10. First there was the finance/insurance industry bailout, then the HCR joke, then the coal mine

tragedy and now this.

Triangulation was utterly discredited, horrifying to see Obama re-animate it.

[liberation]

58. Triangulation is what painted Clinton into a corner

you know... give up an angle here, give up another angle there... and soon enough you've got yourself 180 degrees opposite from where you started.

This is why "pragmatism" in politics is not a good quality. Politics by definition depends on ideology and beliefs, to pretend that is a great quality for a politician to not believing on anything strongly enough to stand for it when is not advantageous to his or her interests... it is like making a case that agnosticism would be a grand thing for a pope to have.

[glitch]

66. Agreed. Triangulation quickly becomes appeasement, then collaboration with extremists.nt

[PufPuf23]

6. There should be criminal prosecutions of the Federal Officials

that played fast and loose with NEPA and other environmental laws.

Obama is rather clueless about the environment but Salazar knew better.

I knew from the moment I heard their nomination that Salazar and Vilsack at USDA had high likelihood of creating messes.

Of course, I am all for prosecuting BP and others in the corporate chain of command.

[rhett o rick]

16. No one will be prosecuted. Too bad there isnt a captain to put the blame on like the Exxon Valdez.

Cant we find someone on the oil rig we can blame for being drunk? BP is going to get off scott free. Obama is going to bow down to BP. When will the American public see that it's not the Republicans that are the bad guys. It's the corporate guys. I think this disaster will prove that Obama is one of them, one of the corporatists.

[JDPriestly]

29. Didn't you watch the 60 Minutes interview with the crew member

about how BP refused to wait in order for the well to be properly cemented? If not, you need to watch that. You will realize that this was not an accident, but criminal negligence on BP's part.

This was the equivalent of the failure of asbestos manufacturers to warn people working with asbestos of the dangers that the manufacturers knew asbestos exposure would present.

BP will be held responsible for the full amount of the damages on this one, I believe.

[rhett o rick]

33. What I say is it doesnt matter what the facts are, it what the media tells the American people.

The Exxon Valdez was criminal negligence but all the American public heard was that it was the drunk captain's fault, and poor, poor picked on Exxon and how we need tort reform to protect companies like Exxon.

[inna]

7. Why is he going along with BP??

:wtf:

[tabatha]

9. The last I heard he was furious with BP.

[Bluebear]

31. Yeah that was a really nice speech

[tabatha]

32. It was not a speech.

[amborin]

45. K&R

[Lorien]

47. What would you call it then?

[tabatha]

48. I heard that it was a report of a conversation.

[Bluebear]

50. Well you heard wrong, it was a Rose Garden appearance & Obama speechified how mad he was

[tabatha]

54. It was before Obama's speech.

[liberation]

60. So was it the speech before the speech, or that other speech?

[Bluebear]

63. "She heard".

:eyes:

[tabatha]

70. It was a stupid report that I read.

I should have said "read" not "heard" but sometimes colloquialism just flows off the keyboard.

[Bluebear]

53. Scripture.

[rhett o rick]

17. Is that a rhetorical question? He cant fight the corporatists. They own our government. Hello. nm

[Whisp]

22. that's pretty well it. hello, fascism. but thats such an unmerican word.

feh

[liberation]

62. Use Italian then: Corporatism... sounds much more user friendly, doesn't it.

Interesting tidbit: there is a couple of big Fasces in the US senate (Fascio is where the term fascism comes from). And btw, remember that saying people used to love to say after 9/11... that whole Pavlovian "united we stand, divided we fall." Well, the Fascio is actually the pictorial representation of that saying. In fact there are tons of fasces littered among American symbology... fascism ain't such a foreign concept in this country ;-)

[Individualist]

40. There's quite a difference between can't and won't.

[indepat]

41. East rhett, or you might get more cynical than I if that's in the realm of possibility

:P

[rocktivity]

11. Rocktivity: Anyone With A Minimum of Two Functioning Braining Cells

Is Risking Everything By Going Along With James Carville

x(
rocktivity

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

12. They sure are. History will be unkind.

History doesn't give a shit whether you/they all went to Bohemian Grove together and whether or not you see each other on the fund raising cocktail weenie circuit.

It's been a long freaking time since I agreed with anything James Carville said.

[gateley]

13. Usually I come to learn he's been doing stuff in the background, keeping it close,

but we can't help but see that BP is still running the show. That is so WRONG. I've heard he's livid, too, so why doesn't he just come out and raise hell and turn the screws?

[jillan]

15. He needs to get out there more, or have Salazar or Biden or someone.

Heads need to roll.

[gateley]

20. If he doesn't want to do it, have Biden (Salazar shares responsibility for this, IMO)

but it really should be Obama. His "I welcome their hatred" level of rage that FDR exhibited. Kick some ass, O!

[readmoreoften]

23. Because he's not doing advocating for us in backroom deals. So much for transparency.

He's publicly denouncing and privately allowing.

[The Hope Mobile]

52. Totally! nt

[Whisp]

21. yah, the smeagol freak that sleeps with the matalin freak

sure I take his word for anything.

*spits.

[glinda]

55. Haha. Well said.

[upi402]

24. Oh -now Obama is too far right for Carville?

pffft

and a heartfelt 'meh'

[Lorien]

25. Now Carville will be thrown under that massive bus

it's amazing that there's any room left under it.

[QC]

37. Fear not! There is room for all under the Hopemobile! n/t

[AnArmyVeteran]

27. Just when is Obama going to start going after the criminals?

He could be a hero if he went after all those thugs who hurt millions of people. Where are you Barack? Grow some damnit! If I was president I would have 100,000,000,000 times the guts you have. Get some shots of testosterone if you need it. Be a man. I wouldn't take any shit off of anyone. So why are you??? And why are you letting criminals hurt Americans?????

I wouldn't let my Coast Guard being ordered around by the criminals at BP. Mr President, YOU are the commander in chief, NOT BP. How about firing any Coast Guard officer who took orders from BP. And then how about using our Coast Guard and Navy to seize every BP boat in the Gulf, and if they don't comply, sink their boats. This is a war and you are running from the fight. If I was president I would be right on the coastline and directing combat operations if needed.

[KoKo]

64. When Hell Freezes Over! n/t

[JDPriestly]

30. Obama probably does not want to create a situation in which

BP can point the finger back at Obama and claim that Obama obstructed BP's efforts to mitigate damages or to stop the spill.

Obama is right to be patient. After all, what could Obama do differently at this point.

BP has a plan that they it wants to implement. Even though it will take time, Obama has to let BP try to make that plan work. Only then can Obama declare that BP has failed. Only then can Obama take over.

Obama probably does not have any better solution for this than BP does. If BP could stop the spill, it would. It is losing a lot of oil. And the cost of recovering it will be enormous.

So, without even considering the incredible cost of the environmental and commercial damages that BP will have to pay, BP has every incentive to stop this mess.

[Lorien]

46. Yeah, that's it...be "patient" while oil destroys our Gulf

because, you know, politic s is SOOO much more important! And BP is so darn trustworthy. They have our very best interests at heart, don't they?


YES WE CAN....unless we CHOOSE not to.

[pundaint]

51. Yeah - what Lorien said!

[Ticonderoga]

68. Yeah, me too-what Lorien said!

[JDPriestly]

57. What do you think Obama could do? Stick his finger in the leaking hole?

How is he supposed to stop this leak. He is not God.

Don't expect the impossible.

[Ticonderoga]

69. By gathering

the finest scientists and the best minds in the world and expediting them to the gulf would be a good start.

[KoKo]

65. Pass the Buck....No Drama...Just wait it out and see what falls over first!

[malaise]

34. Cooper has had two very good programmes on the

catastrophe in the Gulf.

[rhett o rick]

36. Not sure what they are risking. I think they are already committed but many Democrats are in

denial.

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[blindpig]

42. k&r

[Catherina]

43. Carville spoke the truth n/t

[joeybee12]

44. Carville is a dick who is usually right...n/t

[liberation]

56. Too bad Carville lost whatever little he had when he started sleeping with Succubus in Chief Matalin

Just go away you two bit hack. Conveniently ignoring the employer of the other vampire in your dynamic duo of a clan: a certain Mr. Cheney.

[KoKo]

59. Yeah... Just watched. Now that "James and Mary (Ms Cheney Apologist) are down in NO's

Suddenly James Carville becomes the BIG ENVIRONMENTALIST. GIVE ME A BREAK ...Where was his Cheney Suck ASS WIFE?

He's just pandering...Deep Six the guy in the OIL SPILL... SUCK UP

[KoKo]

61. BTW...James and his Cheney Sucking Wife Mary are Permanently in NO's after leaving

their Mansion in Annapolis...which was written up, with many photos in "Town & Country Magazine" before they sold it and cut out of town when it looked like a Dem was going to WIN the WH.

Sucking DLC and Repug Whores for money.... All of a SUDDEN..James Carville finds ENVIRONMENTALISM?

GIVE ME A BREAK!

[scentopine]

67. Damn straight! -nt