been reading up on some Strauss and Howe

[RobertPlant]

I was wondering. Was anyone here born during the era where they were born in the 1940s but before the 19 year baby boom which would be roughly from 1940 to 1945? This is a sub-generation that I've been intrigued by. None of them are technically boomers but none of them really fit in the Silent Generation very well either. A lot of rock icons from the 60s and 70s were born then like all of the Beatles, Jimmy Page, everyone in the original Stones save Wyman, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Brian Wilson etc. Two good movies about when they were my age are American Graffiti and Animal House.

[bluestateguy]

1. You're reading the Fourth Turning?

Take that book with a grain of salt. It's pretend "pop history" for dumb dumbs.

[PM Martin]

3. That's not what you said on Wednesday September 15, 2004 @ 6:07 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2399752#2399753

[bluestateguy]

5. Yes, well people grow up

nt

[boston bean]

9. Oh, Snap! from 2004..... You got a long memory!

[RobertPlant]

11. interesting thing is that a lot of tea partiers are probably

from that early-mid 1940s cohort

[Odin2005]

6. The model is good, it's S&H's social conservative biases that one should be skeptical of.

They nailed us Millennials pretty well EXCEPT for their projecting of their social conservative wishful thinking on us. Also, IMO they based their descriptions of the Hero generational archetype far too much on the Greatest Generation, and the fact that, as Boomers, they are Prophet archetypes, which makes it very hard for them to really understand us Hero archetypes, a very common complaint on the message board I posted below.

[RobertPlant]

8. what makes you think that

Strauss and Howe think that millenials are social conservatives? I'm reading Millenials: The Next Great Generation and I don't see that.

[Odin2005]

12. They claim widening gender role differences and less tolerance for drugs.

[Odin2005]

13. Here is a thread on the subject on the message board I posted.

http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4570

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. My argument as to them having some value

is that there are patterns to history...

See Toynbee

[grasswire]

2. the original rock and roll generation

Someone born in 1942 was in high school right at the explosion of rock and roll -- right after R&B and the discovery of Elvis, right during the Ed Sullivan years, right before popular music went in another direction with the Beatles.

The Bop, the Stroll, the Jitterbug. Poodle skirts and saddle shoes. American Bandstand.

In addition to real rock and roll, folk music was huge -- The Kingston Trio, Harry Belafonte, etc. Surfer music was huge. Not just the Beach Boys, but also instrumentals. A bit later came the Monkees, and Credence Clearwater, and the Mamas and Papas.

Now that itty bitty generation is approaching 70. Should make interesting-looking retirees!

[Odin2005]

4. Us S&H fans have our own message board.

http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/index.php

I'm the poster "Odin" there. Beware the Teabagger troll "JustPassingThrough", though.

[scarletwoman]

10. I was born in 1949, but most of the people I hung out with from my 20s thru my 40s were 5 yrs older.

All the musicians, artists, performers, activists I was involved with after my college years were from that circa 1944-1945 cohort. So were the most of the guys I knew who had been in Vietnam.

I never really thought about it until now -- but your OP made me realize that almost all of the most amazingly creative people I knew when I was younger were part of that "sub-generation".

And sadly, some of my closest friends from that group -- including my ex-husband and another long-time partner -- are already dead. From cancer, from suicide, from alcoholism, from drug overdose... :cry:

These were the people I knew personally who had the biggest and most long-lasting impact on my life. And the ones I didn't know personally -- like the Beatles, et al -- had a huge impact as well.

As Spock would say, "Fascinating."

sw