SO..How will they know if it's actual Progress, or just the "enemy" laying low?

[youthere]

I've been wondering this for sometime now. The argument against a withdrawal date from Iraq is that our enemies would just "wait us out". M'kay...but what's stopping them from "waiting us out" right now? According to this logic we can NEVER leave Iraq because we will never know for sure if it's an actual victory (whatever THAT means) or if our "enemies" are just laying low.

Am I right? Or did I miss something?

[Phredicles]

1. So "just to be on the safe side", they'll insist we stay...

:eyes::banghead::puke:

[ck4829]

2. Yeah. What's stopping them from waiting out the 'augmentation'?

[leftofthedial]

3. they don't give a shit aobut that

it's all just lies and a smokescreen

they only want to preserve the haul their crony capitalist war profiteering buddies are raking in

so long as chaos reigns on the ground and humvees are getting blown up, the profits will roll

[AuntPatsy]

4. You hit the nail on the head, they have no desire to leave Iraq, this aids

them in attempting to gain support for our never ending stay, after all, the largest and most expensive American Embassy has been built in Iraq, the oil etc...

The victory for them is gaining a foothold period in a part of the world they find valuable to certain individuals...after all, its what bush meant when he said "Mission Accomplished", there was no further plan, they just needed in...

[Prophet 451]

6. The current chaos WAS the plan

Oil-rich country plunged into chaos means restriction of supply means higher oil prices means (via profit sharing agreements) higher profits for oil companies. The US was always supposed to lose in Iraq. The intention was never to win (the expertise was around for that if it was required), it was always about capitalism. This isn't a civil war or an occupation or even a liberation, it's price-fixing on a massive scale, it's the kind of armed company war once limited to sci-fi.

[GreenTea]

5. Obviously to republicans: "SHUT THE FUCK UP!"

From an Angry Soldier

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Date: 2007-04-10, 1:00PM PDT


I'm having the worst damn week of my whole damn life so I'm going to write this while I'm pissed off enough to do it right.

I am SICK of all this bullshit people are writing about the Iraq war. I am abso-fucking-lutely sick to death of it. What the fuck do most of you know about it? You watch it on TV and read the commentaries in the newspaper or Newsweek or whatever god damn yuppie news rag you subscribe to and think you're all such fucking experts that you can scream at each other like five year old about whether you're right or not. Let me tell you something: unless you've been there, you don't know a god damn thing about it. It you haven't been shot at in that fucking hell hole, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

How do I dare say this to you moronic war supporters who are "Supporting our Troops" and waving the flag and all that happy horse shit? I'll tell you why. I'm a Marine and I served my tour in Iraq. My husband, also a Marine, served several. I left the service six months ago because I got pregnant while he was home on leave and three days ago I get a visit from two men in uniform who hand me a letter and tell me my husband died in that fucking festering sand-pit. He should have been home a month ago but they extended his tour and now he's coming home in a box.

You fuckers and that god-damn lying sack of shit they call a president are the reason my husband will never see his baby and my kid will never meet his dad.

And you know what the most fucked up thing about this Iraq shit is? They don't want us there. They're not happy we came and they want us out NOW. We fucked up their lives even worse than they already were and they're pissed off. We didn't help them and we're not helping them now. That's what our soldiers are dying for.

Oh while I'm good and worked up, the government doesn't even have the decency to help out the soldiers whos lives they ruined. If you really believe the military and the government had no idea the veterans' hospitals were so fucked up, you are a god-damn retard. They don't care about us. We're disposable. We're numbers on a page and they'd rather forget we exist so they don't have to be reminded about the families and lives they ruined while they're sipping their cocktails at another fund raiser dinner. If they were really concerned about supporting the troops, they'd bring them home so their families wouldn't have to cry at a graveside and explain to their children why mommy or daddy isn't coming home. Because you can't explain it. We're not fighting for our country, we're not fighting for the good of Iraq's people, we're fighting for Bush's personal agenda. Patriotism my ass. You know what? My dad served in Vietnam and NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

So I'm pissed. I'm beyond pissed. And I'm going to go to my husband funeral and recieve that flag and hang it up on the wall for my baby to see when he's older. But I'm not going to tell him that his father died for the stupidty of the American government. I'm going to tell him that his father was a hero and the best man I ever met and that he loved his country enough to die for it, because that's all true and nothing will be solved by telling my son that his father was sent to die by people who didn't care about him at all.

Fuck you, war supporters, George W. Bush, and all the god damn mother fuckers who made the war possible. I hope you burn in hell.