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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:14 PM Original message |
US rifles not suited to long range combat in Afghanistan |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. Do you mean M-1s? M-14s? |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. M1 was 30.06 IIRC... |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. Right, you need a 30 cal. M-14 for that. |
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Dank Nugs (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
4. The AK-47 is far more superior.. n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Eh. They get romanticized, but they have problems |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. There are match grade AK's, but cheap, reliable, and fast to make are |
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Old Troop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
36. I agree and don't forget the ruptured cartridge extractor issued with |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. This is what you need: |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. pic not showing up, but if that isn't a picture of a flower.. |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Site being blocked |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
54. here is his picture |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Did you really just write "far more superior'? |
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Dank Nugs (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. To be fair.. |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. What other ammo? |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. And it does that because it is built to poor tolerances. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Call them "loose tolerances" and "tight tolerances". (NT) |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. That's hysterically funnily hilarious. |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. The M-14 is superior to the AK-47 with a heavier bullet and higher muzzle velocity |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
39. Wrong. |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
43. AK-47 is a short range rifle like the M16. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
46. Do you say that because you play too many video games? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
49. Not really. The ballistics are poor and accuracy worse in many cases |
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NutmegYankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
75. Vs an M14 for range. Not a chance in hell nt |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:34 AM Response to Reply #4 |
83. You clearly have no idea of which you speak, and thus appear foolish to those who do. |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
91. not for distances over three hundred meters. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
5. A 5.56 carbine would have been great |
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Johnyawl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Why would we have to aquire new ones? |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. During the Clinton adminstration.... |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
48. Link? |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
68. Here ya go... |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #68 |
92. Nobody's gonna miss the A1's. |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 05:36 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. The A1 was... |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. A1 was a piece of shit. |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 08:51 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. I dunno... |
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mwrguy (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. updated version of the M-14 - they already did that |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. During Gulf War I I saw a news photo of a US soldier riding in a tank... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
8. Civilians and "insurgents" both look pretty much the same at 500M |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Right, we should only issue rifles in 22 Short to our troops. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I know it's harder to ID an enemy at 500M than 100M. nt |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. Telescopic sights and binoculars... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Like the guy with the camera ("AK-47") in the Apache video |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:28 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. If I recall correctly Pat Tillman was considerably closer than 500 yards |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
9. article is full of shit - nobody is fighting at 600 - 800 yards |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. I would think that the Taliban would prefer 7.62 Russian, 7.62 NATO or .303 British |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. The max effective range of the M-4 is around 950 meters |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. Back in the day of the M-1 Garand |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
50. False |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:19 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Are you sure those stats are not for the M16 ? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Yes, quite sure. |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. Where did 3,600 meters come from? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:01 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. IIRC max range is the distance it could still do damage. Its used for safety calculations not combat |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:32 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Max range is the lenth a bullet will travel in a ballistic trajectory |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #9 |
69. They use... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
10. NS. It all goes back to the development of what became the M-16. |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. C'mon DU in a 62 grain .22 bullet??? |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. I always thought the 'brown tips' were DU, but they aren't. |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
18. the war has only been going on for 9 years |
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greencharlie (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. lol for the humor effect.... tears for the truth of it ;) |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
21. Maybe we should pick an enemy we're a better match for. |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
26. The M-4 was never meant to be a long range weapon. |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
30. Some Special Operations groups use the M-14 extensively. The M-14 is still in US |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
45. For a good reason |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
63. Which is completely useless....they are completely uncontrollable in full auto |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:47 PM Response to Reply #63 |
79. Yes. I qualified on both the M14 and the M-16 in the old days. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:03 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. I trained with both but used an M-14 in the field..... |
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Gaedel (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 06:02 AM Response to Reply #63 |
87. M14 Original Concept |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
32. Perfect for small game. As a main battle rifle... not so much. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
37. 600-800 meters is very distant |
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Duende azul (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
38. That`s so great about DU. Progressive experts in every field to be found. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. KFC Double Down |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Mossberg 500. Or maybe an ax. Depends on what the enemy/family is fielding. |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
58. It's fun to poke people with sticks. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
66. Predator Drone! |
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Decoy of Fenris (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 08:17 AM Response to Reply #38 |
89. Nuke. |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
51. Must be a slow news day. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
56. How it sickens me to see this shit on DU. |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. If highly technical threads do not interest you, |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:56 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. I will "feel free" to do what I like. |
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wmbrew0206 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. FYI, for this is a VERY big issue for the military. Not quite a Row v Wade, but close. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
73. Thats OK, I feel the same way about the vegan threads |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:22 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. And Michael Jackson, and PETA, and Susan Boyle, and Roman Polanski, and.. hehe, n/t |
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Nailzberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
80. There's plenty of crap here I don't feel like reading, either. Hide Thread button works great. |
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miscsoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
60. I have no idea what the fuck anyone is talking about here |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #60 |
72. There be a large number of us |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
61. OMG the Poodle Shooter arguement from the 60's is finally getting settled for the BIG AMMO side? |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
62. Yep. 7.62 rules for long shots. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
71. Nothing is 'suited' for log range combat in Afghanistan. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. Hell for all I care we could go back to the .... gladius |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 03:38 AM Response to Reply #71 |
84. Thanks for bringing it back to the real issue. n/t |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-23-10 05:39 AM Response to Reply #71 |
94. How do you judge that? |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-21-10 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
76. Yup |
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Hempathy (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
82. The British troops had the same problem with the American insurgents... |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 04:23 AM Response to Original message |
85. Another excuse to spend more money and grow China's economy... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
88. We have a modern solution: SCAR- Heavy (SCAR-H, Mk 17 Mod 0) |
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galileoreloaded (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-22-10 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
90. Mark 19 EOM. n/t |
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